The following program presents principles designed 00:00:01.98\00:00:03.01 to promote good health and is not intended 00:00:03.02\00:00:05.34 to take the place of 00:00:05.35\00:00:06.32 personalized professional care. 00:00:06.33\00:00:08.58 The opinions and ideas 00:00:08.59\00:00:09.76 expressed are those of the speaker. 00:00:09.77\00:00:11.93 Viewers are encouraged to draw their own 00:00:11.94\00:00:13.85 conclusions about the information presented. 00:00:13.86\00:00:16.52 Welcome to Wonderfully Made. 00:00:35.84\00:00:37.98 My name is Lee Wellard, a Lifestyle Educator 00:00:37.99\00:00:40.57 from Wildwood Lifestyle Center. 00:00:40.58\00:00:42.47 And today we have with us Dr. Scott Grivas, 00:00:42.48\00:00:45.19 welcome to the program Dr. Grivas. 00:00:45.20\00:00:46.97 Thank you, Lee. Today, we're looking at very 00:00:46.98\00:00:49.11 sensitive topic one that is foundational 00:00:49.12\00:00:53.03 to our understanding of being able to view 00:00:53.04\00:00:56.76 the treatment as well as the prevention of disease. 00:00:56.77\00:01:00.71 Today, we're gonna be looking 00:01:00.72\00:01:01.82 at the philosophy of health. 00:01:01.83\00:01:03.65 When we're talking about the philosophy of health, 00:01:03.66\00:01:06.24 what do we really talking about? 00:01:06.25\00:01:08.22 I think I would describe it as a belief system 00:01:09.59\00:01:13.33 that motivates the action. 00:01:13.34\00:01:15.87 We need to know what is truth and then we need 00:01:16.49\00:01:20.92 to practice the truth. And you know, 00:01:20.93\00:01:23.61 today Lee on every corner in the health arena 00:01:23.62\00:01:27.63 you hear a voice saying, this is the way come. 00:01:27.64\00:01:30.59 And you start to walk that path, 00:01:31.41\00:01:33.35 and then you begin to hear another voice 00:01:33.36\00:01:35.47 from another corner, no you're on the wrong way, 00:01:35.48\00:01:37.78 come this way, this is the truth. 00:01:37.79\00:01:39.66 And I think when we're dealing with such a 00:01:40.28\00:01:42.55 sacred topic as the health of human beings 00:01:42.56\00:01:46.59 that we have got to know what is truth? 00:01:46.60\00:01:49.92 So, we can then follow it. 00:01:49.93\00:01:51.54 That's interesting when you brought up 00:01:51.55\00:01:53.53 that there are many voices, How do we know 00:01:53.54\00:01:56.58 which voice, you know Jesus said you shall hear 00:01:56.59\00:02:01.15 My voice and those who, who are open to understand 00:02:01.16\00:02:05.52 and to listen to the voice of the Holy Spirit? 00:02:05.53\00:02:07.48 How do people out there listening, 00:02:07.49\00:02:09.58 how would they know what is the correct philosophy 00:02:09.59\00:02:12.76 as we approach the understanding of disease, 00:02:12.77\00:02:15.94 its causes as well as its treatment. 00:02:15.95\00:02:17.75 Sure, well I would encourage our viewers 00:02:17.76\00:02:21.25 to begin to study the Bible as also a health book. 00:02:21.26\00:02:26.67 To the law and to the testimonies. 00:02:28.41\00:02:31.02 Here is the truth. And when we're dealing 00:02:32.21\00:02:37.07 with the variety of opinions, many speculations 00:02:37.08\00:02:43.55 and the various philosophies that you hear? 00:02:43.56\00:02:47.58 We can become so easily confused unless 00:02:48.43\00:02:51.90 we know what has God written for us that 00:02:51.91\00:02:56.60 we can look at and know and put all of our weight on 00:02:56.61\00:03:02.46 in regards to health patterns 00:03:02.47\00:03:04.63 for healthful living. Only God who made 00:03:04.64\00:03:07.46 these bodies possibly knows how for us 00:03:07.47\00:03:11.74 to live in them. Right. 00:03:11.75\00:03:12.79 And He has given us instruction. 00:03:12.80\00:03:14.40 Right, so speculation is an inspiration. Right. 00:03:14.41\00:03:18.20 And so, as a physician one who is approaching 00:03:18.21\00:03:22.43 the study of disease and treatment. 00:03:22.44\00:03:25.14 Your foundation is going to be inspiration, 00:03:25.15\00:03:28.97 it's the Bible, it's the Bible. Has to be. 00:03:28.98\00:03:31.04 And how has that changed your mindset, 00:03:31.05\00:03:33.75 you've had years of study understanding 00:03:33.76\00:03:37.94 difficult concepts, a lot of scientific background, 00:03:37.95\00:03:41.49 and how is that you know, adapted your mind has 00:03:41.50\00:03:47.65 it been a struggle as you've looked 00:03:47.66\00:03:49.41 at the word of God, and how is that change 00:03:49.42\00:03:52.72 your mindset now when you come to approaching disease? 00:03:52.73\00:03:56.04 Well, I was not trained in medicine in accordance 00:03:56.05\00:04:02.96 with all that is written. I had a very good 00:04:02.97\00:04:07.07 medical training for which I'm very grateful. 00:04:07.08\00:04:09.74 I learned a lot of the sciences, 00:04:09.75\00:04:12.76 the health sciences that physicians need 00:04:12.77\00:04:15.59 to know physiology, anatomy, bio-chemistry, 00:04:15.60\00:04:19.10 nutrition and so forth. But when it comes 00:04:19.11\00:04:23.05 to the discussion of treatment of disease, 00:04:23.06\00:04:27.61 then the word of God goes in one direction, 00:04:27.62\00:04:32.22 and secular medicine is headed in another. 00:04:32.23\00:04:35.19 And so, it sometimes difficult to try to get 00:04:35.20\00:04:40.04 these two together, and for me you ask me, 00:04:40.05\00:04:44.61 was it a challenge? Indeed, because when 00:04:44.62\00:04:48.22 I am confronted with another human being 00:04:48.23\00:04:52.70 who has a problem, naturally my reflex is 00:04:52.71\00:04:57.04 to use what I have learned. 00:04:57.05\00:04:59.89 But as I have studied more and more, 00:05:00.49\00:05:03.52 I now recognize that I am not able 00:05:03.53\00:05:06.33 to just rely on that. I must pray, 00:05:06.34\00:05:08.83 I must ask the Lord. What do you want me 00:05:08.84\00:05:11.42 to do in this particular situation? 00:05:11.43\00:05:14.48 And how can I use those remedies which 00:05:14.49\00:05:17.68 you have pointed out in your word are foundational 00:05:17.69\00:05:21.51 to bring true healing to men and women 00:05:21.52\00:05:24.03 when they are empowered by the Holy Spirit. 00:05:24.04\00:05:27.23 So, that obviously wasn't part of your training 00:05:27.72\00:05:29.86 as a medical student, I'm expecting 00:05:29.87\00:05:32.76 you don't expect the sermon everyday 00:05:32.77\00:05:36.06 from your professor, but then must have been 00:05:36.07\00:05:39.09 at some point a time where you started 00:05:39.10\00:05:42.44 to see that the Bible and what it said specially 00:05:42.45\00:05:47.63 we got in our health had a critical part 00:05:47.64\00:05:50.71 to play in your understanding of 00:05:50.72\00:05:54.33 the treatment of disease. 00:05:54.34\00:05:56.97 When I was in training as a young man, 00:05:56.98\00:06:01.43 somewhere along that road, 00:06:01.44\00:06:03.91 I remember somebody gave me a book 00:06:03.92\00:06:06.53 and it was called "None of These Diseases." 00:06:06.54\00:06:09.68 And I looked at that book and there was a 00:06:09.69\00:06:12.65 picture of stethoscope, doctor's medical bag, 00:06:12.66\00:06:18.10 and a Bible. And I looked at that and I said 00:06:18.11\00:06:22.25 this is strange mix. What is this all about? 00:06:22.26\00:06:27.02 But as I began to look into this, 00:06:27.03\00:06:30.20 I begin to understand the wisdom 00:06:30.21\00:06:33.78 that book contained, because this author 00:06:33.79\00:06:38.27 who was a physician, was pointing the physician 00:06:38.28\00:06:41.42 bag to the great physician who said, 00:06:41.43\00:06:45.10 if you will follow my plan, 00:06:45.11\00:06:47.15 I will put none of these diseases upon you. 00:06:47.16\00:06:50.24 Now, when you came out of medical school, 00:06:50.25\00:06:52.77 and you start to get your feet wet, 00:06:52.78\00:06:55.07 you started to see patients. 00:06:55.08\00:06:56.66 Did you feel that you have 00:06:56.67\00:06:58.29 the answers to their problem? Of course. 00:06:58.30\00:07:01.14 You had a pill for everything. 00:07:01.15\00:07:02.83 If you have an ill, I have a pill. 00:07:02.84\00:07:04.61 Okay. And you get the bill. Right, correct. 00:07:04.62\00:07:09.36 And at one point did the Bible become more 00:07:09.37\00:07:13.89 important tool to understand about disease? 00:07:13.90\00:07:17.84 Well, it was certainly after I became a Christian, 00:07:17.85\00:07:20.57 then I studied the Bible more and more. 00:07:20.58\00:07:24.03 And then I could see the pattern of Christ ministry 00:07:24.04\00:07:29.83 of healing, right, which gave me a different model? 00:07:29.84\00:07:34.61 It wasn't as I had been trained that human beings 00:07:34.62\00:07:41.56 through their own wisdom are able 00:07:41.57\00:07:44.99 to bring healing to man. It was that no only 00:07:45.00\00:07:48.71 the Lord heals through His Spirit, 00:07:48.72\00:07:51.44 but if the human agent is in connection with Christ, 00:07:51.45\00:07:56.26 then God can use him as an instrument. 00:07:56.27\00:07:59.31 Was that a humbling experience at the time? 00:07:59.32\00:08:01.57 Ah! Very much because you know, 00:08:01.58\00:08:04.34 it's no longer I that does the healing. 00:08:04.35\00:08:06.45 Right, right. And pray, how important was 00:08:06.46\00:08:10.26 pray in your ministry as a physician, 00:08:10.27\00:08:13.79 as a new Christian and seeing Christ methods. 00:08:13.80\00:08:17.70 Was it little hard to start praying with patient? 00:08:17.71\00:08:21.53 Yes, and in fact, not only was it hard for me 00:08:21.54\00:08:26.38 to initiate that, but it was a little difficult 00:08:26.39\00:08:30.24 in the academic setting where I was 00:08:30.25\00:08:32.54 for others to even appreciate it. 00:08:32.55\00:08:35.08 Now, did the patients who you were praying for, 00:08:35.09\00:08:37.88 did they appreciate, there is praise 00:08:37.89\00:08:40.56 or did they feel you know, that they didn't want 00:08:40.57\00:08:45.74 that as part of their treatment, 00:08:45.75\00:08:47.73 how did they respond to that? 00:08:47.74\00:08:49.59 It wasn't the patients that were objecting, 00:08:49.60\00:08:52.60 it was the other medical arena. Right. 00:08:52.61\00:08:56.89 Because we just are trained that way, 00:08:56.90\00:09:00.00 that religion and medicine you know, 00:09:00.01\00:09:02.62 it's not an easy mix. And so, to lay aside 00:09:02.63\00:09:09.76 that gourmet of I am the healer, right, 00:09:09.77\00:09:14.59 and to get down on your knees and acknowledge, 00:09:14.60\00:09:17.24 I cannot bring healing or health to an individual. 00:09:17.25\00:09:20.38 But I can ask the Lord to bless my efforts, 00:09:20.39\00:09:24.95 and to show me what to do, and then He will be 00:09:24.96\00:09:28.76 the one who comes to that individual, 00:09:28.77\00:09:32.00 and begins that work of restoration. 00:09:32.01\00:09:34.35 And yes, it is a humbling experience, 00:09:34.36\00:09:37.51 but it is a beautiful experience 00:09:37.52\00:09:39.60 that the Lord gives us. Amen. 00:09:39.61\00:09:41.72 And did you find the other physicians around 00:09:41.73\00:09:44.70 you share the same understanding philosophy, 00:09:44.71\00:09:50.02 compassion, some of the things 00:09:50.03\00:09:52.04 that that you were adopting. 00:09:52.05\00:09:53.93 Well, there are, yes, there were some, 00:09:53.94\00:09:58.07 but in the regular practice of medicine 00:09:58.08\00:10:02.49 it's more difficult to bring those 00:10:02.50\00:10:07.62 concepts to the front. And so, I would have 00:10:07.63\00:10:13.74 to admit to that I'm sure that there are many, 00:10:13.75\00:10:18.04 many God fearing you know, men and women 00:10:18.05\00:10:21.73 in the medical field that are doing their best trying, 00:10:21.74\00:10:24.99 yes, to bring healing in the way that they know, 00:10:25.00\00:10:27.53 some are praying with their patients. 00:10:27.54\00:10:31.53 But honestly in the world's system 00:10:31.54\00:10:36.35 there isn't given a lot of space for the Christian 00:10:36.36\00:10:42.43 influence of looking only to Jesus as 00:10:42.44\00:10:47.01 the healer of disease. And I think that's what 00:10:47.02\00:10:49.12 we want to really impress individuals with 00:10:49.13\00:10:55.22 that while we can do some things as a physician 00:10:55.23\00:10:58.96 you know, I mean God uses even those 00:10:58.97\00:11:02.54 who don't yet have a knowledge of Him 00:11:02.55\00:11:05.07 as an instrument. But how much more 00:11:05.08\00:11:08.13 can He use an individual who is tune with his mind, 00:11:08.14\00:11:12.31 and who praise and ask for help to assist him 00:11:12.32\00:11:15.29 in things that he is doing. Amen. 00:11:15.30\00:11:17.25 That is a powerful ministry then. 00:11:17.26\00:11:19.99 I remember one of the first times I came to Wildwood, 00:11:20.00\00:11:22.43 and I was sitting behind the desk and you ask me, 00:11:22.44\00:11:25.92 if I would come with you and visit a patient. 00:11:25.93\00:11:28.58 I remember you getting on your knees before 00:11:28.59\00:11:32.52 you even went in to see the patient, 00:11:32.53\00:11:35.69 and then praying in that room with the patient 00:11:35.70\00:11:38.94 in the beginning and also the end, 00:11:38.95\00:11:40.60 and that really impressed me, and you could just 00:11:40.61\00:11:43.45 sense the influence of the Holy Spirit. 00:11:43.46\00:11:46.20 Praise God. And you could just tow it brought a 00:11:46.21\00:11:50.34 sacred atmosphere into the room. 00:11:50.35\00:11:53.53 And then maybe some who're listening 00:11:53.54\00:11:55.50 who have this desire to pray, 00:11:55.51\00:11:57.73 but they feel certain constraints and limitations, 00:11:57.74\00:12:01.10 how could we encourage these people? 00:12:01.11\00:12:03.83 Well, who we have to be respectful of 00:12:03.84\00:12:06.74 another's ideas. We don't wan to force 00:12:06.75\00:12:09.11 any spiritual influence on those who are not 00:12:09.12\00:12:16.39 ready for that, but we can often just simply 00:12:16.40\00:12:20.67 make a statement, would you object, 00:12:20.68\00:12:22.77 if I offered a prayer, right, for your healing 00:12:22.78\00:12:25.90 to the God of heaven? Some little way of putting 00:12:25.91\00:12:33.21 in that patient's mind the knowledge that listen, 00:12:33.22\00:12:36.52 I cannot bring healing, I will be your assistant 00:12:36.53\00:12:42.64 in this, I'll be the helper that the Lord uses, 00:12:42.65\00:12:48.03 but my efforts can go only so far. 00:12:48.04\00:12:52.18 There is a work that must be done in this body 00:12:52.19\00:12:55.95 that a pill can't do, right, a drug is not gonna 00:12:55.96\00:12:59.50 be able to do. And then humanly speaking 00:12:59.51\00:13:02.27 it would be impossible for us to do without 00:13:02.28\00:13:05.00 that divine influence. And so, working together 00:13:05.01\00:13:08.46 humanity with divinity just as it was 00:13:08.47\00:13:12.12 pictured in Jesus, the human and the divine, 00:13:12.13\00:13:15.04 then we see a power in this world that will be a 00:13:15.05\00:13:19.92 restoring power, a revitalizing power 00:13:19.93\00:13:23.48 to help man become altogether whole again, 00:13:23.49\00:13:27.83 and that's what we want in a healing ministry. 00:13:27.84\00:13:29.84 Amen. And getting back to the philosophy of health 00:13:29.85\00:13:35.50 when you were in school studying about 00:13:35.51\00:13:38.76 the cause of disease, did you find that was a 00:13:38.77\00:13:41.53 different emphasis than when you read the Bible. 00:13:41.54\00:13:46.31 Did you find there was a little conflicting 00:13:46.32\00:13:48.76 perspective on the cause of disease? 00:13:48.77\00:13:51.71 How is the Bible shaped your 00:13:51.72\00:13:52.98 understanding of the cause of disease? 00:13:52.99\00:13:55.68 We looked at some things like for instance, 00:13:55.69\00:14:00.18 lung cancer we do that that was related 00:14:00.19\00:14:02.44 to cigarette smoking, I mean everyone 00:14:02.45\00:14:04.58 recognize that, but for many, many diseases 00:14:04.59\00:14:09.41 we had not a clue as to you know, what was 00:14:09.42\00:14:13.10 the cause the etiology, why this occurred? 00:14:13.11\00:14:16.51 And especially as it relates to individual 00:14:16.52\00:14:20.78 choice you see, my impression was as a 00:14:20.79\00:14:25.69 young physician, if you got sickly 00:14:25.70\00:14:27.86 you were just an unlucky person, 00:14:27.87\00:14:30.03 you were just unfortunate, 00:14:30.04\00:14:32.28 but I had the answer you see. Right. 00:14:32.29\00:14:36.35 And it wasn't until I myself became very ill 00:14:36.36\00:14:40.47 as a young person, as a physician because of 00:14:40.48\00:14:46.56 in attention to the laws of life and health that 00:14:46.57\00:14:51.47 I began to wrestle with this question, 00:14:51.48\00:14:54.49 why am I sick? And you know, 00:14:54.50\00:14:57.50 the adage physician heal yourself and I tried that, 00:14:57.51\00:15:01.69 and I found that it did not work, 00:15:01.70\00:15:04.00 nor could my colleagues really bring 00:15:04.01\00:15:06.76 the healing that I needed. They could offer me a pill, 00:15:06.77\00:15:09.75 but it never would bring that ultimate healing 00:15:09.76\00:15:13.34 that I was so needful of. And that is one of 00:15:13.35\00:15:17.80 the steps in my conversion experience 00:15:17.81\00:15:21.27 where I learned that the medical profession, 00:15:21.28\00:15:24.84 the medical arts can only go so far. Right. 00:15:24.85\00:15:27.48 And then there is that divine intervention 00:15:27.49\00:15:31.45 that people need and God did that for me. Amen. 00:15:31.46\00:15:37.03 He took me the next step when the physician says, 00:15:37.04\00:15:40.48 Scott I'm sorry, this is all we can do. 00:15:40.49\00:15:43.13 I said, Lord help me! Amen. So, we're not saying 00:15:43.14\00:15:50.57 that physicians don't have a very important place 00:15:50.58\00:15:54.36 and the understanding in treatment. Right. 00:15:54.37\00:15:57.70 And in surgery and many of the blessings 00:15:57.71\00:16:00.39 that we have today, but what we're saying 00:16:00.40\00:16:02.91 on addition to that is there's a spiritual 00:16:02.92\00:16:05.73 component that it lies at the foundation of 00:16:05.74\00:16:09.32 many diseases that we also need to address. 00:16:09.33\00:16:12.45 Exactly, in fact you know, even the envelope of 00:16:12.46\00:16:16.56 the medical profession you know, the staff with 00:16:16.57\00:16:18.89 the serpents is Biblical. Yes, that's right. 00:16:18.90\00:16:21.43 Look and live. Amen. And so, if we can take 00:16:21.44\00:16:26.73 the scientific knowledge that God has given us, 00:16:26.74\00:16:29.82 and then combine that with that divine intervention 00:16:29.83\00:16:34.08 that only Jesus can bring, then we will see the results 00:16:34.09\00:16:39.52 that will be a blessing to humanity. Amen. 00:16:39.53\00:16:43.56 Let's take a look now to some of the causes from 00:16:43.57\00:16:46.94 the Biblical's perspective. We address that a little bit 00:16:46.95\00:16:51.19 about the spiritual component, but we also see 00:16:51.20\00:16:53.60 in the Bible that there are lifestyle practices 00:16:53.61\00:16:58.24 as well that make a tremendous difference 00:16:58.25\00:17:00.05 in the recovery of one's disease. 00:17:00.06\00:17:03.55 God has placed in condition upon our healing, 00:17:03.56\00:17:11.47 and that is best exemplified 00:17:11.48\00:17:14.96 in the scripture Exodus 15:26, 00:17:14.97\00:17:17.80 "If you will diligently listen to the voice of 00:17:17.81\00:17:23.14 the LORD thy God." Do that which is right in His side. 00:17:23.15\00:17:26.00 Keep His commandments, His statues, and His judgments, 00:17:26.01\00:17:29.35 then I will bring none of these diseases upon you. 00:17:29.36\00:17:32.73 And so, here God is inviting humanity to work with Him, 00:17:32.74\00:17:37.84 to make the choice, to cooperate with Him to keep 00:17:37.85\00:17:42.78 this body temple which He made in perfect 00:17:42.79\00:17:46.52 operating order. And the God of heaven who made 00:17:46.53\00:17:52.88 this wonderful creation, establish it under 00:17:52.89\00:17:58.57 divine law and order, it works, it functions 00:17:58.58\00:18:02.98 under law. And as we understand those principles, 00:18:02.99\00:18:07.08 as we then follow what God has told us to do 00:18:07.09\00:18:11.97 in the matter of health, then we can reap 00:18:11.98\00:18:14.79 those benefits. If we are negligent, 00:18:14.80\00:18:17.66 if we abuse the body, if we do not pay attention 00:18:17.67\00:18:23.04 to the right things to put in the body whether 00:18:23.05\00:18:25.93 it's in eating or drinking, then we should anticipate 00:18:25.94\00:18:29.35 that sickness will come, it may take a while, 00:18:29.36\00:18:32.14 but it sure it will come. Amen. 00:18:32.15\00:18:35.16 How important do you see the role of educating 00:18:35.98\00:18:38.92 your patients toward the healthier lifestyle? 00:18:38.93\00:18:42.12 Again for a person to have an intelligent choice 00:18:43.77\00:18:48.38 they must know. And so, a lot of what we do in our 00:18:48.39\00:18:54.11 patient care is teaching them always 00:18:54.12\00:18:58.24 something better. I believe that's the watch 00:18:58.25\00:19:00.88 word of true education in showing people 00:19:00.89\00:19:03.80 how to have the abundant life that Jesus said, 00:19:03.81\00:19:07.43 I came to give you. And so, we have 00:19:07.44\00:19:10.16 to start from the bottom and work up, 00:19:10.17\00:19:13.20 and teach them how to eat, how to drink, how to rest, 00:19:13.21\00:19:18.44 how to labor you know, the importance of 00:19:18.45\00:19:21.42 outdoor living, and sunlight, and fresh air, 00:19:21.43\00:19:24.32 and all of these simple things 00:19:24.33\00:19:26.19 that were from the beginning, but have, 00:19:26.20\00:19:29.42 have been so covered over by centuries of 00:19:29.43\00:19:35.34 human tradition, and custom that it's 00:19:35.35\00:19:38.78 sometimes hard for people even to know what these 00:19:38.79\00:19:41.71 principles are unless we go back to the scriptures. 00:19:41.72\00:19:45.54 Right, right. And they're very simple. 00:19:45.55\00:19:47.33 So, in your practice as a physician you've often had 00:19:47.34\00:19:53.41 to look to the Bible for the answers, 00:19:53.42\00:19:55.75 I'm sure there would be many times 00:19:55.76\00:19:56.96 that you been stumped. Oh! Yes. In a condition, 00:19:56.97\00:19:59.74 and you've just cried out, amen, 00:19:59.75\00:20:03.19 to the Lord for guidance. 00:20:03.20\00:20:04.46 Not just many times, everyday, everyday, 00:20:04.47\00:20:07.38 every patient. Okay! Praise God. 00:20:07.39\00:20:10.50 How can we help you know, there will be some people 00:20:11.10\00:20:13.96 who are watching this, and they maybe feeling 00:20:13.97\00:20:17.55 that you know, they haven't had the benefits 00:20:17.56\00:20:21.28 of the training such as you've had. 00:20:21.29\00:20:24.24 How would you encourage them to look at the Bible 00:20:24.25\00:20:28.77 through the perspective of understanding 00:20:28.78\00:20:31.66 health from a lifestyle perspective, 00:20:31.67\00:20:34.69 a spiritual perspective? Well, I often point 00:20:34.70\00:20:40.24 people back to the Book of Beginnings, Genesis. 00:20:40.25\00:20:44.05 And I will refer them for the, to the first two 00:20:44.06\00:20:47.37 Chapters there in Genesis, Chapters 1 and Chapter 2 00:20:47.38\00:20:51.61 because here is God's health plan. 00:20:51.62\00:20:54.39 It was the plan that God had established 00:20:54.40\00:20:57.30 from eternity in order to provide an environment, 00:20:57.31\00:21:03.57 so that this human family, all human beings could 00:21:03.58\00:21:07.92 live on this earth be perfectly happy, 00:21:07.93\00:21:11.30 perfectly healthy, and holy. 00:21:11.31\00:21:14.69 In other words, in the image of God, 00:21:14.70\00:21:17.26 and that apparently has not changed. 00:21:17.27\00:21:20.22 God has said, I don't change something once I iterate, 00:21:20.23\00:21:24.57 it is forever. Amen. And if you look at headily 00:21:24.58\00:21:28.07 to the prophecies that deal with life on the new 00:21:28.08\00:21:31.04 earth after this experience of sin has done away with, 00:21:31.05\00:21:34.48 it's gonna be the same plan. Amen. Living the same way. 00:21:34.49\00:21:38.33 So, I tell people when you come to the Bible 00:21:38.34\00:21:42.10 and you begin to incorporate 00:21:42.11\00:21:43.79 in your lifestyle those principles that are found 00:21:43.80\00:21:46.90 in Genesis 1 and 2, what you're learning 00:21:46.91\00:21:50.35 is heaven's lifestyle today, 00:21:50.36\00:21:53.49 because you're not gonna be changing. 00:21:53.50\00:21:55.38 Amen. Dr. Grivas, what role do you see a drug 00:21:55.39\00:21:59.48 medication in God's plan of healing 00:21:59.49\00:22:02.55 or is there a place, how do you understand 00:22:02.56\00:22:04.68 that from a Biblical perspective? 00:22:04.69\00:22:06.18 Sure, drug medication has a place, 00:22:06.19\00:22:12.51 but I don't see it as the primary focus 00:22:12.52\00:22:15.76 as we have made it in the western world. 00:22:15.77\00:22:18.83 As I told you when I was training that was 00:22:18.84\00:22:24.56 the foundation for medical intervention 00:22:24.57\00:22:27.82 was pharmacology. If there is an illness 00:22:27.83\00:22:31.88 then we, we as physicians we learn what drugs 00:22:31.89\00:22:35.06 do we give to counteract that, that disease, 00:22:35.07\00:22:38.96 but from a Biblical perspective, 00:22:38.97\00:22:41.52 we see a different approach. 00:22:41.53\00:22:43.05 In fact, the Lord tells us very emphatically 00:22:43.06\00:22:45.77 that drugs do not cure disease, take for instance 00:22:45.78\00:22:49.14 Jeremiah 46 verse 11. In vain shall you use 00:22:49.15\00:22:55.26 many medicines, but you will not be cured 00:22:55.27\00:22:57.92 and what we need to understand 00:22:57.93\00:23:00.58 is what are we doing, when we use a drug medication? 00:23:00.59\00:23:04.11 Drugs can be used to help let say, 00:23:04.12\00:23:08.48 stabilize a very unstable situation for a short time 00:23:08.49\00:23:13.17 in order to give that individual time to even 00:23:13.18\00:23:16.74 make lifestyle changes. Alright, okay. 00:23:16.75\00:23:19.64 And in the acute emergency situation 00:23:19.65\00:23:22.11 these can be life saving. And so, we need 00:23:22.12\00:23:25.21 to put the balance there, but we're not saying 00:23:25.22\00:23:29.41 we never use a drug, but often times drugs 00:23:29.42\00:23:32.80 are used when they wouldn't need to be used 00:23:32.81\00:23:35.39 at all, if we understood the simpler remedies 00:23:35.40\00:23:38.31 which God has pointed out to us in the scripture. 00:23:38.32\00:23:42.10 I think that's a really good point to bring out 00:23:42.11\00:23:45.22 because as we've said, we're not saying 00:23:45.23\00:23:47.82 that you shouldn't take medicines specially 00:23:47.83\00:23:50.38 in acute conditions or emergency settings. 00:23:50.39\00:23:53.56 However what we are saying is that, 00:23:53.57\00:23:56.06 if you have a poor lifestyle it may necessitate 00:23:56.07\00:24:00.94 the use of drug medication, which wouldn't be 00:24:00.95\00:24:03.71 the best approach because we've brought it about 00:24:03.72\00:24:06.69 through our own choice. Dr. Grivas, I would like 00:24:06.70\00:24:10.72 to ask you a question regarding God's plan 00:24:10.73\00:24:15.49 in you know, reeducating us in the medical perspective. 00:24:15.50\00:24:19.41 It's very hard sometimes to change orientation 00:24:19.42\00:24:22.74 specially when we use to it, and you've obviously 00:24:22.75\00:24:27.00 had some struggles yourself, sure, 00:24:27.01\00:24:29.80 coming into your understanding especially 00:24:29.81\00:24:31.77 from a Biblical perspective. 00:24:31.78\00:24:34.16 What was that enabled you to have a deeper 00:24:34.17\00:24:38.97 understanding and appreciation of these things? 00:24:38.98\00:24:41.02 Well, certainly we talked about the Bible itself, 00:24:42.09\00:24:45.24 but then you know, there is so much 00:24:45.25\00:24:48.47 today available to us even in the scientific area 00:24:48.48\00:24:53.84 for we call it lifestyle medicine where physicians 00:24:53.85\00:24:59.13 are beginning to understand the importance 00:24:59.14\00:25:02.19 in the value of nutrition of exercise of water, 00:25:02.20\00:25:07.31 of sleep and rest and all of these things. 00:25:07.32\00:25:11.19 So, the Lord in His graciousness has flooded 00:25:11.20\00:25:16.03 this world with light on these particular subjects 00:25:16.04\00:25:20.41 that are not just only found in the Bible, 00:25:20.42\00:25:24.01 but so much now in the, what is called alternative 00:25:24.02\00:25:30.95 medicine literature, we can find these 00:25:30.96\00:25:35.81 principles interwoven. And so, people can, 00:25:35.82\00:25:40.54 can look at these from these various health 00:25:40.55\00:25:45.08 book periodicals, books on such things 00:25:45.09\00:25:49.28 as hydrotherapy, the scientific use of water 00:25:49.29\00:25:52.55 in treating disease. The herbal medications 00:25:52.56\00:25:57.05 that are coming into such prominence now in medicine, 00:25:57.06\00:26:01.84 the botanical medicines. There are so many 00:26:01.85\00:26:04.83 books available, if people want 00:26:04.84\00:26:06.95 to avail themselves of this knowledge. 00:26:06.96\00:26:10.32 Amen. Now, something that often God gets 00:26:10.33\00:26:13.90 the blame for His disease, when something wonderful 00:26:13.91\00:26:17.91 happens in nature, we say, 00:26:17.92\00:26:19.06 Oh! Isn't Mother Nature wonderful? 00:26:19.07\00:26:20.91 But when something bad happens it's an act of God. 00:26:20.92\00:26:23.88 Right. And so, sometimes we see that God gets a 00:26:23.89\00:26:28.26 lot of the blame for things going wrong, 00:26:28.27\00:26:32.19 is God an author of disease or certain diseases 00:26:32.20\00:26:36.06 or sometimes He brings it upon us to allow us 00:26:36.07\00:26:39.62 to suffer that we may find him, 00:26:39.63\00:26:41.21 how is your perspective? How do you look at that? 00:26:41.22\00:26:44.16 God is not the author of disease; 00:26:44.17\00:26:46.97 He is the author of life and an abundant life, 00:26:46.98\00:26:50.78 and so, we don't want to get too confused. 00:26:50.79\00:26:53.32 God often allow certain things that take place 00:26:53.33\00:26:59.16 that are not His primary will for the individual. 00:26:59.17\00:27:03.24 The Book of Job for instance gives us a 00:27:03.25\00:27:05.68 complete picture when Job who was following 00:27:05.69\00:27:10.45 what he knew and God accounted him righteous, 00:27:10.46\00:27:14.42 it didn't keep him from getting sick 00:27:14.43\00:27:16.36 because there was an enemy. 00:27:16.37\00:27:17.72 And the Lord has told us that in this earth 00:27:17.73\00:27:21.14 at this time, it is not just us 00:27:21.15\00:27:23.90 and the Lord down here, we have an enemy. 00:27:23.91\00:27:26.89 And so, we need to put the blame where 00:27:26.90\00:27:30.47 it needs to be on an enemy, not upon God. 00:27:30.48\00:27:33.54 Amen. In closing, we hope this information 00:27:33.55\00:27:36.98 is being helpful to you at home from understanding 00:27:36.99\00:27:40.12 from a Biblical perspective, as well as a medical 00:27:40.13\00:27:43.93 perspective the cause of disease. 00:27:43.94\00:27:47.17 Sometimes, if we don't understand the cause, 00:27:47.18\00:27:49.30 we tend to look for temporary crutches 00:27:49.31\00:27:53.25 as long term solutions, and God has as plan 00:27:53.26\00:27:56.48 for us today. We'd like to thank you 00:27:56.49\00:27:58.58 for coming today, and joining us. 00:27:58.59\00:28:00.20 Please join us again next time on another program 00:28:00.21\00:28:03.68 of Wonderfully Made. My name is Lee Wellard 00:28:03.69\00:28:05.69 from Wildwood Lifestyle Center 00:28:05.70\00:28:07.67 and look forward to you seen you again next time. 00:28:07.68\00:28:09.98