Have you ever felt
completely frustrated
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after leaving
your doctor's office...
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and he explained to you
that you had a occlusion in your
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left anterior descending artery,
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and you really had no
idea exactly what he meant?
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Well today, we have
Dr. Neil Nedley with us on
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"Wonderfully Made"
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Thank you Rise, I'm
very glad to be here.
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That occlusion is
actually caused by a condition
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called "atherosclerosis"
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Hmmm... big word!
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Yeah, and it actually
comes from 2 Greek words...
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"athero" means mushy,
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and "sclerosis" means hard...
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So literally, the word
means the mushy, hard disease
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That's actually a
pretty good description because
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the mushiness comes from
the cholesterol and the fat
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on account of
those mushy foods...
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And then it gets into the
arteries, and then calcium comes
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and hardens it up, and you
start getting these occlusions
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in your arteries, and it can
occur in any artery in the body
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Wow... but the left anterior
descending artery just happens
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to be one more
sensitive to this?
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It's more common...
There are 3 main arteries
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that supply the heart,
the left anterior descending,
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the left circumflex,
and the right coronary.
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And the left anterior descending
tends to be the one that's
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a little more
involved, but it can involve
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any of those arteries.
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And, it can even
involve the left main...
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And if it involves the left main
that's where the 2 main arteries
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come from, and that
can produce sudden death
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when that occludes.
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So let's talk about
this atherosclerosis.
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Yeah, atherosclerosis
unfortunately, it can affect
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the arteries going
into the brain as well.
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In fact, even if your arteries
aren't totally occluded in
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your brain, and if you
have some atherosclerosis there,
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it's going to decrease
your thinking ability. Hmm
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It's going to
decrease your memory.
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It can cause a problem
in the kidneys, and when it
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affects the kidney arteries,
can cause kidney failure.
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It can cause problems in the
legs with decreased circulation
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and pain when you walk.
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It can even cause amputations
because the arteries can
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close-off... The
legs can't live anymore
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and they have to be amputated.
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And so, it's a common
problem in America today.
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Atherosclerosis,
virtually everybody...
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I shouldn't say "everybody"
but the average American
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by the time they're 40 years
of age, already has significant
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fatty cholesterol
buildup in the arteries.
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Yeah, and I've heard
that it's actually occurring
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at a younger age
now in our society.
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It is occurring at a younger
age and it has to do with
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the diet and
lifestyle of Americans. Hmmm
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We have a graphic
actually that shows the
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atherosclerotic plaque...
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And that plaque
can be instructive...
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You can see the white stuff
there... that's the cholesterol
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That's the mushy
stuff that comes in...
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gets into the wall of the artery
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And then you can see, there's
a smooth muscle layer above that
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And then above that, is the cap.
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And that fibrous
cap can ulcerate,
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and when it does
ulcerate, that's when you get a
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MASSIVE
occlusion all of a sudden
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And a lot of people
think, you know, this goes from
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40% block to 60%,
to 80%, to 100%...
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It doesn't have to be the
case, that artery could be only
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20 or 30% blocked, and
if you ulcerate that cap,
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you can then get a
total occlusion at that point.
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And so, we'd like to try
to prevent those ulcerations
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and, of course, even prevent
the cholesterol from coming
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in to begin with... Yeah
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Preventing the ulceration
means not getting inflammation.
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So this is why infections,
even bad dental care where you
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can have infections
in your teeth increase
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the risk of heart
disease. Oh really?
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Arthritis, if it's inflammatory
arthritis can increase
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the risk of heart disease
because you can ulcerate that
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fibrous cap due to the
inflammation and occlude
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the artery.
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So an inflammation, even
though it's in a separate
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part of your body, affects
maybe an artery in your heart
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because of certain things that
are traveling through the blood?
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Exactly... Yeah, that
inflammation can actually
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travel through the blood stream.
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We can actually measure
it through a test called
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the C-reactive protein
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And when that
C-reactive protein goes up,
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you're at an increased risk.
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So, atherosclerosis is more than
just preventing the cholesterol
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We want to prevent
the inflammation as well.
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But let's get to the
basic root of it first
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...and that is cholesterol.
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Yeah, where does all
that mushy stuff come from?
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Yeah, where does that
mushy stuff come from?
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We do have a
graphic on that too.
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And a lot of people are
surprised to see that chicken
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has cholesterol in it.
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Chicken is part of
the animal kingdom,
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and any animal
has cholesterol in it,
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but notice, even if the
fat and the skin are taken off,
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it has almost the same
amount of cholesterol as pork
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and as beef
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And what isn't shown on
that graphic, is if you have the
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chicken breast with
the skin and the fat there,
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that's 82 mg.
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And then you have seafood,
you saw oyster there, and shrimp
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even higher yet.
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There's shrimp there 165 mg
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And then when you
get to the organ meats,
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kidney, liver... huge
amounts of cholesterol
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Caviar... 500 mg of cholesterol
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And Rise, if you ever see
anyone feasting on beef brains,
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you have to wonder about
their intentions. Absolutely!
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1697 mg of cholesterol...
just extremely loaded
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with cholesterol.
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Dairy is also going
to have some cholesterol.
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Of course, that graphic
isn't a complete representation
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of the animal foods.
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But, dairy has
cholesterol in it because
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it comes from an animal.
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Eggs... the egg yolk
is going to have about
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200 mg of cholesterol in it.
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And the more
cholesterol we get in our diet,
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the greater the
chance that it's going to get
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into the arteries,
and particularly if it's
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oxidized cholesterol.
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So a chicken isn't
necessarily eating cholesterol,
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they're just
producing their own.
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That's right...
they have livers,
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and anyone in the
animal kingdom that has a liver
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is going to produce cholesterol.
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Human beings
produce cholesterol.
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We don't need any
cholesterol in our diet.
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We actually utilize cholesterol
for some useful substances
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We make our
hormones from cholesterol.
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We don't need any in our
diet because our liver produces
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all that we need.
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And so, a chicken's liver is
going to produce quite a bit.
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So will a cow's liver,
even though a cow may be a
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vegetarian... he's going
to have cholesterol in the
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muscle and in
virtually any part of his body,
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and the organ meats and
the brains are going to have it
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even more.
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So, we DO recommend
a low cholesterol diet
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to prevent this from happening.
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If we don't get the
cholesterol in the foods,
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we're not going to get it
into the arteries near as easily
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And the thing about the food
is the oxidized cholesterol.
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A lot of people say, well
your liver produces cholesterol
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and in order to live, you
need to have your liver produce
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cholesterol, so why are we so
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concerned about
cholesterol in the diet.
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In fact, some skeptics
have even looked at this fact...
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The human beings' liver produces
5 times as much cholesterol
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as what the average
American eats every day.
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And so, why is eating
cholesterol so important?
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Well, the reason for
it is, what we eat can be
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much more heavily
oxidized than what we make.
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Why is that?
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Because it's
exposed to the air. Oh!
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And when we're producing
cholesterol in the liver,
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it's not exposed to the air,
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and so it
doesn't get as oxidized.
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So the more we have our
foods out there in the air,
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so to speak, the more we
mix it up, and blend it up,
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the greater chance
that cholesterol is going to
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become oxidized, and it's
the oxidized cholesterol that's
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particularly harmful.
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Dr. Bruce Taylor did a
nice study in New York...
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actually feeding
nonoxidized cholesterol
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to rabbits and monkeys...
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and none of them developed
atherosclerosis. Interesting
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But when he fed foods
that had cholesterol in it,
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they developed atherosclerosis
at a very rapid rate,
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particularly if
it was more oxidized.
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So you can pretty much
assume that the majority of food
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that you're eating
that has cholesterol in it
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is going to be
oxidized... That's right
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One exception to that would
be human mother's milk... Oh
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Human breast milk has a
lot of cholesterol in it
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and actually can have
more cholesterol the way some
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mothers eat... even
more so than cow's milk.
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But cow's milk is going to
produce those fatty streaks
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in the infants...
Human breast milk will not.
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Even though it's
higher in cholesterol...
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the difference?
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The infant is
getting it directly from
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the mother's
nipple... not exposed to the air
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And so the best way
for you to drink your milk,
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would be to go down to
the barn and get it straight.
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No thank you!
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We wouldn't recommend that
either for obvious reasons.
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But, it is something a lot
of people don't think about
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when they're measuring
cholesterol levels in foods.
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Dr. Bruce Taylor
then went the next step...
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Once he found out
oxidized cholesterol causes
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atherosclerosis, let's
actually see what happens with
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particular foods.
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So within 24 hours of a rabbit
or a monkey eating the food,
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he would then measure the
dead cells in the blood vessels,
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in the aorta as the
major blood vessel in the body.
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And, he was able to extrapolate
from that very accurately
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which foods have the
most oxidized cholesterol.
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Any guesses Rise?
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Oh... I'd say
something maybe like cheesecake?
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Cheesecake would be
a high source... yes
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Actually, the highest
was custards, and cheesecake
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can be a form of custard.
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Custard is where you have milk,
sugar, eggs mixed up together
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And the most famous custard in
America is actually ice cream.
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So that's the deadly trio then,
... huh? Milk, eggs and sugar
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Yeah, when you put
sugar in with the cholesterol,
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you're going to get a
much more oxidized variety
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of the cholesterol.
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Ice cream... Ouch!
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That is one of
America's favorite foods.
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One of America's
favorite foods... Yeah
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But fortunately,
there are alternatives now.
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In fact, just about any
grocery store you go into,
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you can actually find ice cream
that has no cholesterol in it.
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If it doesn't have cholesterol,
you don't have to worry about
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the oxidized cholesterol...
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Like a sorbet, or a nondairy...
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Sorbet, or like they
have Rice Dream ice creams
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and all sorts of different
varieties of ice creams.
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And it's good to
look around in your store,
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particularly if
anything has cholesterol in it,
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you certainly don't want
to have the sugar with it
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because that's going to
help deposit it right into
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the arteries themselves.
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The second highest
on the list was actually
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Aunt Jemima's
Pancake Mix... Really?
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You wouldn't think of pancake
to be high in cholesterol.
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Pancakes, of course, come
from eggs, but the pancake mix
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is powdered eggs...
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And so, if you're
powdering up those eggs,
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you're producing a
pretty heavy variety of
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oxidized cholesterol there,
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and it's going to
get into the arteries.
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The third most
damaging was parmesan cheese
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...the powdered cheese
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And that was as damaging as
lard to those arteries... Wow
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And so, it is
important to not only recognize
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the cholesterol in goods,
but how it's being prepared
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and what damage that can do.
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So powered milk then
would have a similar effect
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because it's...
That's right powdered milk
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would have a
similar effect, exactly
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Interesting.
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So that is a major component.
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In fact, Dr.
Stamler indicated...
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In fact, if you go to
your doctor, and you find out
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your cholesterol level...
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In fact, we have
patients that I see,
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their cholesterol level
is 160, and their doctor
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has told them...
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You don't have to worry
about heart disease at all...
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your cholesterol is less
than 200 and not a problem.
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Well first of all, 1
out of every 5 heart attacks
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is in someone with a
cholesterol less than 200.
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But the other factor the
doctor hasn't necessarily
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known about is the study
by Jeremiah Stamler showing
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that cholesterol in
the diet is an independent
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risk factor for
heart disease apart
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from what it is in
your blood... Interesting
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So, even though
the cholesterol is 160,
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the person may think,
"Well, I can eat all sorts of
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cholesterol, I'm
going to be fine. "
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But they're not necessarily
measuring the cholesterol
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that's deposited... That's right
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And they're not
measuring what's being taken in
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And so what you take in,
is an independent risk factor
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for heart disease over what your
serum cholesterol is... I see
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Now that doesn't mean the serum
cholesterol is not important
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We still look at that too,
and we try to get that down
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We actually can train our livers
to produce less cholesterol
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which can help bring
it down significantly
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Now how would you do that?
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Well, you would do that by
actually eating foods higher
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in polyunsaturated fat.
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Now if I were to have a vat of
polyunsaturated fat on this side
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and another vat of
saturated fat on this side,
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do you know how you would
be able to tell the difference
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with a clear vat?
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I think, in one I would
be able to look through,
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and the other one, I
wouldn't. That's right
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Because one would be
liquid at room temperature,
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and the other one solid.
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Saturated fat is solid fat...
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And the more solid the
fat, the more your liver
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churns out cholesterol.
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In fact, the solid fat
will churn out twice as much
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cholesterol as the
liquid fat will decrease the
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cholesterol production.
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Liquid fat actually
being polyunsaturated fat,
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actually will
slow down the liver's
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production of cholesterol.
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And so, we also have a
graphic of the P/S ratio...
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Now, before we get into that
graphic, I should mention...
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that a P/S ratio less
than 2 is going to raise your
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liver's production of
cholesterol significantly.
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By P/S ratio,
you're simply saying...
00:14:24.51\00:14:26.38
the polyunsaturated versus
the saturated... Yes, very good
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And notice there... cheese,
beef, butter - very low values
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That means very
low in polyunsaturated,
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very high in saturated...
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and those foods will
significantly churn out
00:14:39.94\00:14:42.67
cholesterol in the liver,
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even though they may not have
much cholesterol in them per se.
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Chicken and turkey...
that's why the world is
00:14:49.84\00:14:52.09
recommending
chicken and turkey...
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Because it has a better
P/S ratio than butter and beef
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But, is it less than
2 or greater than 2...
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those values for
chicken and turkey? Much less
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Much less, so it's still
going to produce cholesterol.
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Now the liver is still
going to churn out a higher
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amount of cholesterol.
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Fish is the food that's
the most closely to the two,
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but fish is still going
to raise cholesterol levels.
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The average American
is not aware of that.
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In fact, that's been
shown repeatedly that if you add
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fish to a vegetarian diet,
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you're going to increase
that person's cholesterol level.
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Then you take... some
plant foods are not very
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high in P/S ratios.
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Pistachios and Brazil
nuts are going to raise
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your cholesterol
level; not near as much as
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chicken and turkey, but
they will raise it some...
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But notice, almonds,
pecans, hickories, walnuts,
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those nuts are all
greater than 2, and they will
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significantly lower
the cholesterol levels.
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In fact, walnuts have
been shown to dramatically
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lower cholesterol levels when
they're added to a healthy diet.
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And yet, typically,
when you talk to someone
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who's trying to
lower their cholesterol,
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they AVOID... or
they think nuts are
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bad for them
because they're fatty.
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Yeah, that's true, and that
is kind of part of the old myth
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that was around... that
anything that was high in
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fat... was bad Um hm
00:16:08.57\00:16:10.94
Yeah, to some
extent that's true...
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but if it's very high in fat,
it can add to obesity... Right
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But if you're not obese, and
you are eating smaller amounts
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of healthy fat, it's
actually much healthier than if
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you are not
eating the healthy fat.
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Yeah, I think this is
so important to understand
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I was in a grocery store,
and there was an older couple
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and obviously had
some cholesterol concerns,
00:16:32.69\00:16:35.71
and so they were trying
to discern which one of these
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foods in the produce section
was going to help or hinder
00:16:38.42\00:16:42.44
their cholesterol problem...
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And I looked at them and I
said, "Well, what you're looking
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at here... of
these you can freely eat.
00:16:46.50\00:16:48.83
These are going to
be okay... Absolutely!
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Yeah... and, of
course, nuts have a hard shell
00:16:51.92\00:16:54.01
on them for a good reason...
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We're supposed to work a little
bit to be able to get to them
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...and, you know, burn off some
of that energy because nuts are
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nature's most
caloric-dense foods...
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But they're
really a healthy food;
00:17:03.71\00:17:06.02
particularly the
nuts that we mentioned...
00:17:06.05\00:17:07.75
the almonds,
pecans, and the walnuts.
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And not only the English
variety, but black walnuts,
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actually even
have a higher P/S ratio
00:17:14.68\00:17:16.67
Black walnuts have a P/S
ratio of greater than 10,
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and will dramatically
lower those cholesterol levels.
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That's something
worth trying. Absolutely!
00:17:22.55\00:17:24.54
Something
delicious worth trying! Yeah!
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And so, those are
kind of the main factors...
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The P/S ratios, the
cholesterol in the foods...
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But there are some
other factors that can help
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actually shrink down
that occlusion in your
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left anterior descending
artery, or wherever else it is
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and that is food
that's high in fiber. Hmm
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Fiber will actually bind
onto cholesterol in the gut
00:17:45.55\00:17:49.56
...even cholesterol
that our own liver makes.
00:17:49.57\00:17:51.94
It will bind on
to that cholesterol,
00:17:51.95\00:17:54.10
and it will help
us to excrete it.
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And so, just being
on a high source of
00:17:56.56\00:17:59.65
what we call "soluble fiber,"
will reduce the cholesterol
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15 percentage
points in and of itself.
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So there's soluble
fiber, and insoluble fiber...
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and what's the
difference between the 2
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Well, that's a good question.
00:18:09.91\00:18:11.65
A lot of people just
think of fiber in general,
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and that's kind of like
saying "vitamin"... Right
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And so, insoluble fiber
is what's good for the colon.
00:18:15.96\00:18:20.21
That's what's going to
reduce your hemorrhoids
00:18:20.24\00:18:22.73
It's going to help your
bowels be nice and regular
00:18:22.76\00:18:25.44
And, it will actually
reduce varicose veins.
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The soluble fiber is what's
going to control your diabetes
00:18:29.35\00:18:32.37
It's going to remove cholesterol
00:18:32.40\00:18:35.26
and it's actually going to
prevent gallbladder disease
00:18:35.29\00:18:38.50
and gallstones.
00:18:38.53\00:18:39.71
And so, it is good
to know the difference
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In some foods,
insoluble fiber is pretty much
00:18:42.87\00:18:45.90
in all plant
foods that are whole.
00:18:45.93\00:18:49.32
Soluble fiber is a
little harder to find.
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That's where you
have to get the oats...
00:18:51.77\00:18:54.12
and the beans... a very
good source of soluble fiber
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Lima beans actually are a very
good source of soluble fiber
00:18:58.54\00:19:00.88
Lima beans are not my favorite
bean, but I do love beans.
00:19:00.91\00:19:04.59
Soybeans also
will help bring it down
00:19:04.62\00:19:06.86
...navy beans and
just about all of the beans
00:19:06.87\00:19:09.72
Actually, pumpkin seeds
will also have a good source of
00:19:09.75\00:19:14.13
soluble fiber.
00:19:14.16\00:19:15.66
And another very good
source of soluble fiber...
00:19:15.67\00:19:17.75
a lot of people don't
think about is another
00:19:17.78\00:19:19.84
legume called "carob"
00:19:19.88\00:19:21.51
Carob has also been shown
to reduce cholesterol levels
00:19:21.54\00:19:24.67
significantly, and actually
help control blood sugars when
00:19:24.68\00:19:27.29
you don't put a
lot of sugar with it.
00:19:27.32\00:19:29.58
Well... good to know!
00:19:29.61\00:19:31.16
And then, in addition to that,
we have the source of protein
00:19:31.19\00:19:36.04
as being very important.
00:19:36.07\00:19:37.92
And this is what Dr.
Sirtori in Italy found...
00:19:37.95\00:19:40.92
He actually put people...
00:19:40.95\00:19:42.34
These were all people
with high cholesterol...
00:19:42.35\00:19:44.80
They were all prone to coronary
artery disease and stroke,
00:19:44.83\00:19:48.02
and these types of diseases.
00:19:48.05\00:19:49.80
And so, he put them on a diet
that was very low in cholesterol
00:19:49.83\00:19:52.70
low in saturated fat,
higher in polyunsaturated fat
00:19:52.73\00:19:57.91
high in fiber... both groups
00:19:57.94\00:20:00.65
The only difference
he made in that group was
00:20:00.68\00:20:03.23
the source of
protein... they were getting
00:20:03.26\00:20:06.48
And prior to this,
people didn't think protein was
00:20:06.51\00:20:08.62
important... They thought
as long as you were getting it
00:20:08.65\00:20:11.41
and getting the
essential amino acids,
00:20:11.44\00:20:13.60
it shouldn't really
make a difference in your
00:20:13.63\00:20:15.29
cholesterol levels.
00:20:15.32\00:20:16.68
But, he found a
very dramatic effect...
00:20:16.69\00:20:19.47
In fact, it even surprised
him, and that's what our next
00:20:19.50\00:20:22.22
graphic is about.
00:20:22.25\00:20:23.66
Is the protein ratios,
and if you take a look,
00:20:23.69\00:20:29.07
the group there in green
was put on the animal protein
00:20:29.10\00:20:35.90
and so they had a
more animal-based protein
00:20:35.93\00:20:38.16
It was actually casein,
which is a milk-based protein
00:20:38.19\00:20:41.72
And the group in blue was
put on a vegetable source of
00:20:41.75\00:20:45.58
protein which was
actually soy protein
00:20:45.59\00:20:48.02
And the difference in
3 weeks, on this diet,
00:20:48.05\00:20:50.97
was a 40 mg/dL
difference in cholesterol...
00:20:51.00\00:20:55.79
So 40 points
difference... That's amazing!
00:20:55.82\00:20:58.11
He thought that he
had actually happened to
00:20:58.14\00:21:01.44
randomize one group
that would respond better
00:21:01.45\00:21:03.59
to diet... so he said, "I
can't believe the difference"
00:21:03.62\00:21:06.24
So he switched the 2 groups
over, and noticed the ones
00:21:06.27\00:21:09.53
now on the animal protein,
their cholesterols came back up
00:21:09.56\00:21:12.19
...where the ones who
are now on vegetable proteins
00:21:12.22\00:21:14.83
...their cholesterol came down
00:21:14.86\00:21:17.20
And it turns out, if we
were to stretch this out
00:21:17.21\00:21:19.17
over a 6 week period of
time, it would make about a
00:21:19.20\00:21:22.43
60 to 80 mg difference
in your cholesterol level...
00:21:22.46\00:21:25.66
just on the basis of the
protein that you're eating.
00:21:25.69\00:21:29.25
And the reason for this,
as it turns out, was actually
00:21:29.28\00:21:32.90
found out by Dr.
Sanchez at Loma Linda
00:21:32.93\00:21:35.10
He found out that it's
the arginine-to-lysine ratios
00:21:35.13\00:21:38.89
that are important...
Which are amino acids
00:21:38.92\00:21:41.06
Which are amino acids, and
animal protein is high in lysine
00:21:41.09\00:21:45.83
which is not good
for cholesterol levels.
00:21:45.86\00:21:47.96
Low in arginine
which also isn't good,
00:21:47.99\00:21:50.21
and vegetable
protein is the opposite.
00:21:50.24\00:21:53.87
In fact, he even
went so far to find out
00:21:53.88\00:21:55.77
which foods are higher in
the arginine-to-lysine ratios...
00:21:55.80\00:22:00.15
Kind of like we
did with the P/S ratios
00:22:00.18\00:22:02.67
And, if you're wanting
more information on that,
00:22:02.68\00:22:04.93
there is a lot of
information available on that to
00:22:04.96\00:22:07.39
significantly
lower cholesterol levels
00:22:07.42\00:22:09.81
just based on the vegetable
protein that you're eating.
00:22:09.82\00:22:13.86
So Dr. Nedley, you're
not necessarily advocating
00:22:13.89\00:22:16.92
a little pill that
someone would take and see
00:22:16.95\00:22:19.42
dramatic differences, because
here we have this picture
00:22:19.45\00:22:22.70
of, in 6 weeks, if someone would
just for 6 weeks, maybe follow
00:22:22.73\00:22:27.10
a different diet... a completely
different diet without
00:22:27.11\00:22:30.47
even the milk
protein, that's interesting,
00:22:30.50\00:22:32.61
it was just casein that
they were getting from milk
00:22:32.64\00:22:35.23
...that's not in meat, is it?
00:22:35.24\00:22:36.38
That's right, I think
it's going to be in milk.
00:22:36.41\00:22:38.64
So, taking out the casein,
and following a completely
00:22:38.67\00:22:41.32
vegetarian diet for
only 6 weeks, could make
00:22:41.35\00:22:43.66
such a dramatic difference!
00:22:43.69\00:22:44.78
Dramatic difference!
Actually, it turns out to be
00:22:44.81\00:22:47.50
about the same difference
as you would get out of a
00:22:47.51\00:22:50.15
potent statin drug.
00:22:50.16\00:22:52.58
And the interesting
thing about that is...
00:22:52.61\00:22:55.34
is that if you're on a statin
drug and you were to be on
00:22:55.37\00:22:58.17
this diet, you would
lower it AGAIN that much!
00:22:58.20\00:23:01.38
So, it doesn't work through
the statin mechanism at all.
00:23:01.41\00:23:05.47
And so, you can lower
it in addition to a statin,
00:23:05.50\00:23:08.47
like having a double potency,
or triple potency statin
00:23:08.50\00:23:12.44
just by getting
on an ideal diet.
00:23:12.47\00:23:15.34
And so, yeah, medications
are really, as it turns out...
00:23:15.37\00:23:18.53
If people would be on
the ideal diet to eliminate
00:23:18.56\00:23:21.47
coronary artery
disease, only less than 4%
00:23:21.50\00:23:25.68
of people would actually
need any additional help
00:23:25.71\00:23:28.86
in getting their cholesterols
down to the ideal range.
00:23:28.89\00:23:31.39
Because they have
an inherited form of...
00:23:31.42\00:23:34.05
Because they have
an inherited form.
00:23:34.08\00:23:35.72
So, less than 4%... that
means 96% of the American public
00:23:35.75\00:23:39.90
would be able to get
their cholesterol levels down
00:23:39.91\00:23:41.95
to less than 100
plus their age...
00:23:41.98\00:23:44.08
just by switching over
to a diet such as we're
00:23:44.11\00:23:46.62
talking about here today.
00:23:46.65\00:23:47.63
Now, I've met some of these
people who do have an inherited
00:23:47.66\00:23:50.05
form of high cholesterol...
00:23:50.08\00:23:51.97
Do you think that following this
would still help benefit them?
00:23:52.00\00:23:55.83
Absolutely, even if
they have an inherited form,
00:23:55.86\00:23:57.74
it will help benefit them
some, but they may need some
00:23:57.77\00:24:00.07
additional help such as
a B vitamin like niacin,
00:24:00.10\00:24:02.82
or maybe one of the
other medications to
00:24:02.85\00:24:05.62
get it under control.
00:24:05.65\00:24:07.05
But, many people
would be able to avoid the
00:24:07.08\00:24:10.12
side effects of these medicines.
00:24:10.16\00:24:11.37
You know, there're lot of people
that THINK their livers just
00:24:11.40\00:24:13.36
genetically produce a
lot, but they've never been on
00:24:13.39\00:24:15.45
an ideal diet to see if they
can get it down under control.
00:24:15.48\00:24:18.03
They've been on the so-called
American Heart Association
00:24:18.06\00:24:21.14
diet, which they think is
the best diet out there because
00:24:21.17\00:24:24.11
they haven't been informed
in regards to the new studies
00:24:24.14\00:24:26.50
showing that there is
a much better way to go
00:24:26.53\00:24:28.99
than just scraping the
skin and the fat off the chicken
00:24:29.02\00:24:32.93
and just choosing low fat
cheese instead of regular cheese
00:24:32.96\00:24:36.83
...or 2% milk
instead of whole milk
00:24:36.86\00:24:39.27
And those are the little changes
they've made, and when they
00:24:39.30\00:24:42.94
make those little
changes, they'll just see little
00:24:42.97\00:24:45.13
reductions in their cholesterol,
00:24:45.16\00:24:46.71
and so they say... "Well my
diet isn't working that well,
00:24:46.74\00:24:49.28
so I need to be put on a drug. "
00:24:49.31\00:24:50.78
But if they would make
dramatic changes in their diet,
00:24:50.81\00:24:54.56
chances are, they would
see dramatic changes in their
00:24:54.59\00:24:57.31
cholesterol levels...
00:24:57.34\00:24:58.58
And then they could get
away with medication-free living
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and actually a healthier living.
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I mean, these statin drugs
can produce liver inflammation,
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muscle-related pain.
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It can be a significant decrease
in their quality of life...
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Plus the expense
of having to take it,
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and then you need to get your
liver checked every 3 months
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at least, while
you're on these drugs. Um hm
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So, it's a lot
better way to live.
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And a lot of people think,
"Well, how am I going to be
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able to eat this way?"
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Oh yeah, dramatic does
not sound like a good thing...
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Yeah! But actually,
they CAN eat this way.
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There are many cookbooks
that are now available.
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There are cooking
schools that teach this way.
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I, myself, eat this way,
because I have a very strong
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family history of
atherosclerosis...
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And I can tell you, from
the physician-friends that come
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over to our house and eat,
or even come to our restaurant
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We have a restaurant now,
in Ardmore, Oklahoma, that
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serves food this way.
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They state that it's
better than their own food.
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They said... "You know, if I
could eat this way all the time,
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there's no way I'd go
back to the other way. "
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So, we really need to re-train
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the cooks...
that's what we need to do.
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And I think there is a
period of time, isn't there,
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in which your taste
buds and your mindset of what
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you enjoy changes...
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And I think that that takes
about 3 to 4 weeks, doesn't it?
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It does take a while... Yeah
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It's really not that long
when you look at the big picture
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of your life, are you going to
live with this high cholesterol
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and the fear and dread of
suffering, you know, from a
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severe heart attack, or take
3 or 4 weeks out of your life
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to just maybe make a switch and
a change and reeducate yourself.
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Yeah, and you can kind of choose
your own pleasures. Yes, you can
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You know, at the
Lifestyle Center of America,
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which I do some
work in in mental health,
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in our
depression-recovery programs,
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the first week, normally
they still LIKE the food...
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But, they're not necessarily
enthusiastic about it.
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The second week, they're
really starting to enjoy it
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and then the third
week, they think the chef had
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definitely changed!
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Because they are
thoroughly enjoying the food...
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But the chef hasn't changed;
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it's just that their
taste buds have adapted to it,
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and now they're
very much enjoying it.
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Don't you experience
that now, after eating
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this way for a while, and some
of the other food that maybe
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used to be your favorite...
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it really doesn't
entice you anymore.
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Absolutely... and that's when
you know you've had the victory
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When you go back to something,
and you eat it and it's
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unhealthy, and you say, "I
don't even LIKE this stuff,
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how did I enjoy it before?"
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You've got the
victory in there, because now
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you are actually enjoying
foods that are healthy for you
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and THAT is going to help
your body in so many ways.
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Absolutely! If you
hate the way you eat,
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and it's just doom and
gloom, it's got to affect your
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cholesterol or your arteries
somehow in a negative way
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And that is the good
news that you eventually
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start enjoying this way so
much that it just becomes a
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part of who you are... it
becomes a part of your life
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and, actually, it can
become so habitual, that you can
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learn to eat this way even
going to typical restaurants
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It's a little harder that
way, but you can even go to
00:27:50.68\00:27:53.25
typical restaurants and
eat foods that are going to
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significantly lower your
cholesterol level... Good
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Dr. Nedley, I
learned so much today...
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This was a great
program! Thank you
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My pleasure being here, Rise
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Do you have high cholesterol?
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I hope that you will take this
information and run with it!
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Thank you so much
for joining us today on
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Wonderfully Made!
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