The following
program presents principles
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designed to promote good health
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and is not intended
to take the place of
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personalized professional care.
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The opinions and ideas expressed
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are those of the speaker.
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Viewers are
encouraged to draw their
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own conclusions about the
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information presented.
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Hello, my name
is Allan Handysides
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and it's a
pleasure to be with you here
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today on this
program of Wonderfully Made.
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We live in a very
interesting world.
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We live in a
world where advertising
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can make all sorts
of claims and perhaps
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one of the
largest growing industries
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is that for food supplements
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and alternative
types of medication.
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I think as we
considered this sometimes
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we have
difficulty in separating fact
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from fiction. It's not always
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easy to know what is truly
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a remedy or maybe
a snake oil panacea
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that suppose to cure
everything that may ail us.
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Today I am very
fortunate to have
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with us here on
our set Stoy Proctor
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who is a
nutritionist. He is actually the
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chairman of the
General Conference
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Nutrition Council, he
is an associate member
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of the General Conference's
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Health Ministries Department.
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He is also an adjunct professor
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at the Loma Linda School Public
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Health and he is
going to be discussing
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with us some of
these food supplements.
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Stoy, it's a real
privilege to be with you
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and have you on the screen.
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My pleasure
being here. Thank you.
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You know the Stoy
has told that about
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500 years ago Shen-Nung was
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the emperor of China and he,
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I believe was the
gentleman who was responsible
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for introducing herbal remedies
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into Chinese medicine.
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It said that he took
over 365 different varieties
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of herbs. One per day.
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Probably one per day,
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but one day he
turned green and died.
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What could have happened to him?
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Unfortunately we don't know
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which of those herbs,
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was the toxic one
and that is precisely
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the dilemma that
we are facing today
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even though Chinese
medicine is based on his,
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biology. We don't know
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what it was
that turned him green
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and today the question
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is how do we separate,
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what is good from what is bad?
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So I am going to ask you
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how do you tell
the difference, Stoy?
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Well, it's
difficult, the US Food and Drug
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Administration
back in 1994 passed
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the Supplement and
Health Education Act
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and they have
defined some of these
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terms such as;
drugs and supplements
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and a supplement
basically is any vitamin,
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mineral, amino acid or protein,
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some type of plant enzymes,
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herbs and what's
interesting to be called
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a food supplement,
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they can even
include organs of animals
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like beef liver, beef spleen,
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goats you know ears
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or they can put all
these kinds of supplements.
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A few years ago I was visiting
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a friend of mine then
they were very excited
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about his new supplement
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and these people were total
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vegetarian and I said well,
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what's in this supplement
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if doing such
great things for you?
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And He said, I don't know,
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well, I said,
give me the bottle,
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let me read
this, and I read bottle
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and there was liver extract,
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there was spleen
extract from beef
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and other animals
and they were so shrugged
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but you know that's a problem,
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it can contain all these things
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whereas a drug now,
there is very specific.
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A drug is can be some
of the same substances,
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some synthetic
but it must be used
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for medicinal
purpose or medical purposes,
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and what's the
difference is that
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a drug must
undergo extensive testing
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and they must prove beyond
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the reasonable goal
that this drug is going
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to be
beneficial and not harmful.
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And it undergoes certain reviews
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by peers of
specialist in that particular
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area where as a
food supplement does not
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have to go
through any these tests.
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So we the consumers
how do we find out about
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a food supplement I mean what,
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what guidance
could you give to us
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if we are going to be looking
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at a food
supplement and to say you know
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how do we find out this is good
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or this is not so good,
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this maybe harmful?
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Where do we get
that information?
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Now it's interesting
and that's a good question,
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you know, when
you maybe given Cipro
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or some of the antibiotics
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or some of the drugs
it was in the package
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you will have a
long list of things
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it will do for you.
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Some of the things
that are been observed
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in another
people. None of this has
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to be done with the supplement.
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Now in 1994 when
they passed this act,
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they required although
it isn't heavily enforced
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but they required a product,
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a food supplement
product to contain
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at least seven factors.
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Number one; the
active ingredient
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must be identified,
especially less Antoni
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or Salt Primal
somewhere it must be identified.
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And number two, there must be,
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they must tell
you how many capsules
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or how many teaspoons
or how many milligrams
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it must be,
quality must be measured.
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There must be a
structure and function
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claim on each of these products
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and this is
what's most interesting
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and these products must say that
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this product was not
evaluated by the Food
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and Drug
Administration. Number two.
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It has to say
that on the product.
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On the product, it
suppose to not all do,
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some do, some don't.
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I also must say that
this product is not intended
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to diagnose or
treat or cure the disease.
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Now then why should I take it,
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if it, it hasn't
been evaluated by the FDA,
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if it tells you
it's not intended to cure
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or to treat or to cure,
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so there is a problem there
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but anyway the Food and Drug
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Administration
does have some power
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in that area.
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Also, so as a consume you must,
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you must look to find
these seven qualification
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I am got through all seven yet.
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Also they must
tell you if there is any
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health claim on there.
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They might be able
to say on there that,
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that this calcium
supplement has been shown
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to improve the bone,
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strength of the bones
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and maybe reduce the
risk of osteoporosis.
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They are allowed
to make some claims
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like they are
providing there some
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resource to back it up.
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Now that's for a
specific ingredient.
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Yes, specific ingredient.
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But that does not
necessarily apply.
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That's exactly right.
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To the total package. No, no.
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Is there other
words they may write
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on the benefits of
say there is some iron
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and it may say this is good
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for an iron deficiency. Right.
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But of course it could only be,
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maybe only 1
milligram or a ½ milligram.
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It may not be very much on there
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but the FDA does
have some jurisdiction
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over that area. Another thing
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is very important is
that they should give you
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the name and
address and contact number
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so you can ask
for more information.
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So if you find a
product that meets
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all this seven
criteria it at least
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it's gone a long way to give you
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some information. It
still doesn't tell you
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what is really gonna do for you
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and it still
doesn't have to provide you
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the scientific
research to prove it
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like a drug does.
You know I have a friend
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he told me that
because we travel a lot,
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he said to me I want to give you
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this medication so I said, well,
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what it is? He said, oh,
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it's a Chinese medication,
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I said, but what's in it?
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He said I don't know
it's called pao jiang
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or something. So I looked at it
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of course it has
only got Chinese letter
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on this I
couldn't read what it is.
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A little, a
little vial of dark brown
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things it smells to me
is that got some liquors
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in it but I really
can't tell what's in that.
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This is what you
mean by being able to
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at least identify what it is
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and even identify
who is manufacturing it.
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I can't even tell
from looking at this
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who is manufacturing it so.
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But see if it was manufactured
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and sold in United States.
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They would have
to put it in English,
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not just Chinese. So that's one
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interesting, advantage
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we have in the United States.
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Are there any other
steps that are important
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for these
manufacturers for instance,
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let's say I decided that
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I wanted sell a
peppermint extract.
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And that it was very
good for burping or it
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was good for gases.
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Could I go around to manufacture
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this stuff put it on the market,
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put my address on their,
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put the ingredients in that,
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do I have to do
any registration or
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am I just free to do that?
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Well, you are supposed
to register the product
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if it's a new
product that it's not
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on the market since 1994.
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There is only one problem,
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nobody has a
list of the products
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they are on the market in 1994.
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The botanical or
the supplement companies
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don't have the FDA,
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doesn't have it. So
it's quite difficult
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and I suppose that's
why the Food and Drug
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Administration say
you are going to have
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to approve that
and so if there ever
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caught on it and examine the FDA
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may say to them,
wait just a minute,
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this is a new product
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and you have not registered it.
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So there is at
least, It's on the books,
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but it's because
the Food and Drug
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Administration has,
their under staffed,
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they are not able to check out
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all these claims.
It is really on the,
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it's responsibility of the maker
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and the distributor to proof
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that this product
will do what it says.
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But most of these
studies we don't have
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that kind of information.
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You know I read a
very interesting report
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it was actually one
of the Canadian journals
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that I read it
and they talked about
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the products that
they had looked at.
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They said that
they examine 20 products
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I believe. Ginseng
was one of the products
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they we were looking at.
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And they said
that they could find
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the several things,
one that the amount of
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ginseng in each
product varied that's between
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the different makers.
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But also within the actual one
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may cut the quantity varied.
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They also found
that they were quantities
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of lead and
mercury of varying amounts
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in the different
products and then they found
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that there maybe a
many different kinds of
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additives or what
possibly could be called
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pollutants if you were
expecting a pure compound
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in these preparations.
Is there some kind of
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regulation about the standards
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and the quantities
of these preparations?
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Unfortunately no,
and that's a problem
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with some of the
herbs that there are
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several problems. Number one;
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the dosage or the
amount in a protein in that,
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let's say a
teaspoon or 10 milligrams
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is the active
ingredient is not always
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the same but
remember they should identify
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what the active
ingredient is and they should
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say that there
are so many capsules
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in the little bottle
or package or whatever.
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But they don't have
to say how much of the
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active ingredient is
in there and so that's the
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problem and not
only the Canadian study
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but good house keeping,
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University of Arkansas
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I have in my notes
here of several companies
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that there are
reports of research
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where they have
examine these products
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and there are different amounts.
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Now there are few companies
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that do have
standardized dosages
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and so you can counter
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and what's nice
about a few companies.
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They have some
little research out there
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and let's say in the
research they gave people
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the Valerian, let's
say that's something
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that suppose to
help people sleep better
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at night like for
insomnia and they may say well,
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so many milligrams
of this per capsule
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were used in the study
and so they will put on
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their box, on their package.
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The same amount of milligrams
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are to be taken
you know before bedtime
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or something like that.
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So there are some
companies will do that.
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Many companies do
not and so there is
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just no standardization.
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Another problem is
as you've mentioned
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the purity is not also required
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where we have and
when we have a drug
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you know you can,
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you know like
aspirin for instance.
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You know exactly
how much of the active
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ingredients in
aspirin or some of the other
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drugs because
there are strictly ready,
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they are strictly regulated.
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But when it
comes to the supplement
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or the purity is not regulated,
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is not required
and so we may have
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different amounts,
some don't have any
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for instance they
found that some the weight
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control or weight
management products
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contain
amphetamines that's a highly
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stimulating affect.
They will find in others
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contain some
other drug like caffeine
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and you know it
makes you think you are
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being picked up and
got a lot of energy with,
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the supplement
industries they talks
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a lot about energy you
know this will give you
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lot of energy. Well, sometimes
00:13:48.57\00:13:50.24
this energy is
coming from caffeine
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or some other stimulant.
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So that's at least
two problems in the area
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and of course
another problem is that
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then it's unlike the drug area
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if the company that
manufactures a product
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if they get several
complains about people
00:14:07.84\00:14:10.77
dying or if
people got heart attack
00:14:10.78\00:14:13.78
or if they got liver toxicity,
00:14:13.79\00:14:16.29
liver
malfunction they don't have
00:14:16.30\00:14:18.61
to report that, where
as a drug company does.
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You know I really
want to be sure that
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our viewers don't get the idea
00:14:23.97\00:14:26.13
that we think
that drug companies
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are just fine
and that manufactures
00:14:27.73\00:14:30.33
or food
supplements are just wrong.
00:14:30.34\00:14:32.59
Oh! No wrong.
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That would be a
very gross misconception,
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you have some, you have some,
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for instance
think about you know
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we have just
seen the Vioxx, right,
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has been
withdrawn from the market.
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Now Vioxx has been
known for about 2 years
00:14:41.45\00:14:45.45
to be associated
with some problems
00:14:45.46\00:14:48.69
but those
problems are being kind
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of kept under wraps.
00:14:49.87\00:14:51.35
Eventually when
it became obvious
00:14:51.36\00:14:53.84
to the manufacture
that become concern
00:14:53.85\00:14:56.33
and so Merck then
withdraws it's product.
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Celebrex at the
present time is under scrutiny
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because it
belongs to same family
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of Cox-2 inhibitors
that the Vioxx does.
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Is there any
mechanism or any requirement
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that side effects,
adverse reactions people
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that maybe die
or if there is some
00:15:17.06\00:15:20.41
type of problem
that is recurring with
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a given product? Is
there some requirement that,
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that be reported to
an agency that control?
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No, and now we have a
recent on the other side
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of the coin here
we have Ephedra which
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is the dietary
supplement that suppose you know
00:15:37.92\00:15:40.11
have some abstracts.
Stimulatory effect and even
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after they recommended
that would be pulled off
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the market it
was still available.
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But the difference between a
00:15:47.48\00:15:49.96
supplementary drug
enlisting my experience
00:15:49.97\00:15:52.90
now that under, that those drugs
00:15:52.91\00:15:55.72
underwent a lot of study.
00:15:55.73\00:15:57.31
Now maybe not
enough study because
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the FDA has been
force to bring these
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new drugs, pain killers
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and all kinds of
drug out in the market,
00:16:04.58\00:16:06.30
maybe before the
time but remember
00:16:06.31\00:16:09.18
this supplement
industry is suppose
00:16:09.19\00:16:11.45
to have research to
back up their claims
00:16:11.46\00:16:13.38
or back up why they are selling,
00:16:13.39\00:16:14.78
why people are
buying them but sell them
00:16:14.79\00:16:17.34
are they require to
all the person can do
00:16:17.35\00:16:20.08
if they have
complaints is reported to their
00:16:20.09\00:16:21.99
medical caretaker
and that care taker
00:16:22.00\00:16:24.79
will call the FDA
and if they have enough
00:16:24.80\00:16:27.16
complaints then
the FDA may turn around
00:16:27.17\00:16:30.06
and say alright you must,
00:16:30.07\00:16:31.96
let me see your result,
00:16:31.97\00:16:33.10
let me see your
research to prove that
00:16:33.11\00:16:35.52
this is the
weight control object
00:16:35.53\00:16:37.41
or it just stamina
or it helps you sleep
00:16:37.42\00:16:39.57
or whatever.
But the requirements
00:16:39.58\00:16:42.65
are very loose and the reason is
00:16:42.66\00:16:46.19
and it's a same
way I am trying to say
00:16:46.20\00:16:48.92
but the supplement
companies as well as
00:16:48.93\00:16:51.82
drug companies both
have powerful lobbies
00:16:51.83\00:16:55.13
that influence the senators
00:16:55.14\00:16:57.76
that make the law.
Now I am interested
00:16:57.77\00:16:59.91
that you talk
about the food supplement
00:16:59.92\00:17:01.72
companies and you talk
about the drug companies
00:17:01.73\00:17:04.56
as though they are
two separate entities
00:17:04.57\00:17:06.79
but it's well known
is that the manufactures
00:17:06.80\00:17:10.31
of many of the supplements
00:17:10.32\00:17:11.87
are the same
companies that are manufacturing
00:17:11.88\00:17:14.35
regular
pharmaceutical which we are call
00:17:14.36\00:17:16.26
them drugs.
00:17:16.27\00:17:17.24
And some of the drugs are herbs,
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are natural
products of the earth.
00:17:19.30\00:17:21.20
And, but those
companies have two sets
00:17:21.21\00:17:23.49
of rules they sort
of almost schizophrenic
00:17:23.50\00:17:26.43
there or have a
split personality.
00:17:26.44\00:17:29.23
When they complain
with FDA regulations
00:17:29.24\00:17:32.65
and on the other
side they are getting away
00:17:32.66\00:17:34.92
with doing things
that they don't require
00:17:34.93\00:17:36.36
all the research,
all the money that
00:17:36.37\00:17:38.18
goes into
development of the product,
00:17:38.19\00:17:40.39
and yet that the same companies,
00:17:40.40\00:17:41.93
so really what seem
to me that there isn't a
00:17:41.94\00:17:44.74
great deal of
moral difference between
00:17:44.75\00:17:48.35
a drug producer and
the supplement producer
00:17:48.36\00:17:50.75
in many of this
situation would you agree
00:17:50.76\00:17:52.72
with that or do
have their. Yeah,
00:17:52.73\00:17:54.12
I think morally
that would be right
00:17:54.13\00:17:55.84
but I think the
drug companies halved
00:17:55.85\00:17:57.88
that DFD has
more power to enforce
00:17:57.89\00:18:00.91
the law of the
research and so on to prove that
00:18:00.92\00:18:05.05
they have more
merit than placebo
00:18:05.06\00:18:08.25
for instance. Now you know
00:18:08.26\00:18:09.93
we've talked about then
00:18:09.94\00:18:11.28
what we are saying
here is that the policy
00:18:11.29\00:18:14.23
or the policing of
the validity of this agent
00:18:14.24\00:18:18.93
is the responsibility
of the manufacturer.
00:18:18.94\00:18:21.11
Now I don't know of any industry
00:18:21.12\00:18:24.05
I mean we have gone through
00:18:24.06\00:18:25.03
turmoil in the last
4, 5 years is industry
00:18:25.04\00:18:28.77
has been seen not
to be able to control
00:18:28.78\00:18:31.95
regulate it self. That's right.
00:18:31.96\00:18:33.32
And yet here we are having
00:18:33.33\00:18:36.09
a product that are,
people are taking them
00:18:36.10\00:18:38.64
and we are
expecting those companies
00:18:38.65\00:18:41.05
that manufacture them
to actually be monitoring
00:18:41.06\00:18:44.65
and regulating themselves.
00:18:44.66\00:18:46.23
What advice would
you give to a consumer
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as to how that
consumer can look at the claims
00:18:49.92\00:18:55.92
that are made
of certain products
00:18:55.93\00:18:56.94
and ascertain for
themselves as whether
00:18:56.95\00:18:59.38
a product has
value or not because
00:18:59.39\00:19:01.21
there maybe very
good products out there.
00:19:01.22\00:19:03.03
Well, many of
the food supplements
00:19:03.04\00:19:05.30
are good products.
Many of these things
00:19:05.31\00:19:08.61
are helpful you know
vitamins are certainly
00:19:08.62\00:19:11.19
helpful and some of the,
00:19:11.20\00:19:13.02
some of the herbs
have some problems
00:19:13.03\00:19:15.56
and may be we will
have just a few minutes
00:19:15.57\00:19:17.29
to all go over
maybe some of those herbs
00:19:17.30\00:19:20.02
have some scientific basis
00:19:20.03\00:19:21.64
for their efficacy. But really
00:19:21.65\00:19:24.68
the consumer is in dilemma.
00:19:24.69\00:19:26.36
I personally would,
would use the internet,
00:19:26.37\00:19:29.24
I would go to a
national database
00:19:29.25\00:19:32.56
like the National
Library of Medicine
00:19:32.57\00:19:35.32
and check in
there public PubMed.
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PubMed is something
you just type into your,
00:19:38.79\00:19:41.24
to search
engine and you will get
00:19:41.25\00:19:44.56
all and then once
you get into PubMed
00:19:44.57\00:19:47.32
then they will
ask you for your topic
00:19:47.33\00:19:49.28
so you put valerian,
sauce pepper asternia
00:19:49.29\00:19:51.87
or whatever you
want put in there
00:19:51.88\00:19:53.51
and then they will
give you all the studies
00:19:53.52\00:19:55.56
that have been
done scientific studies
00:19:55.57\00:19:57.15
pre-reviewed that
have been in there.
00:19:57.16\00:19:58.67
Now some of things
I think here we have
00:19:58.68\00:20:01.62
got some experience
you try this on a product.
00:20:01.63\00:20:03.54
Just last week, just last week,
00:20:03.55\00:20:05.66
I decided that I
wanted to look up
00:20:05.67\00:20:08.24
glyconutrients.
Now glyconutrients
00:20:08.25\00:20:10.97
are a newer product
that is being promoted by a
00:20:10.98\00:20:15.35
certain company I
am not going to mention
00:20:15.36\00:20:17.14
the name of the
company nor the product.
00:20:17.15\00:20:18.82
But I thought
well, the claims are that
00:20:18.83\00:20:21.64
there is an
enormous amount of body
00:20:21.65\00:20:24.11
of research to support
this so I thought well,
00:20:24.12\00:20:26.59
I would like to
read that research
00:20:26.60\00:20:28.33
because I have actually
00:20:28.34\00:20:29.82
I have a niece who said to me
00:20:29.83\00:20:31.60
what do you
think of this product
00:20:31.61\00:20:33.11
and I said, well,
00:20:33.12\00:20:34.13
I don't know much about it.
00:20:34.14\00:20:35.30
And she said that,
00:20:35.31\00:20:36.28
have you read the research?
00:20:36.29\00:20:37.26
And you know it
was important for me
00:20:37.27\00:20:38.95
to read the
research so I went to PubMed
00:20:38.96\00:20:41.53
and I got two
articles, two articles.
00:20:41.54\00:20:45.89
One was the
effective glyconutrients
00:20:45.90\00:20:47.89
on white blood
cells in a test tube,
00:20:47.90\00:20:50.66
not in the body,
not in the overall,
00:20:50.67\00:20:52.81
not in humans, not in humans,
00:20:52.82\00:20:53.79
not in even in rats
but it was in the test tube
00:20:53.80\00:20:56.49
so I looked
this. The other one was
00:20:56.50\00:20:58.94
someone along the same lines.
00:20:58.95\00:21:00.94
isolated
singularity I thought well,
00:21:00.95\00:21:02.89
surely this is not
capable of giving me
00:21:02.90\00:21:07.42
all the research so I
went to some journals,
00:21:07.43\00:21:09.58
I went to the New
England Journal of Medicine
00:21:09.59\00:21:11.92
which is one of
the premier journals,
00:21:11.93\00:21:14.08
nothing it said you
have found zero comment.
00:21:14.09\00:21:18.00
So then I thought alright well,
00:21:18.01\00:21:19.22
I better go to
a nutrient journal
00:21:19.23\00:21:20.65
I went to the general nutrition,
00:21:20.66\00:21:21.88
zero results I thought maybe
00:21:21.89\00:21:24.07
this is animal physiology
00:21:24.08\00:21:26.53
so I went to animal physiology,
00:21:26.54\00:21:28.24
cellular
physiology, zero written,
00:21:28.25\00:21:30.52
I thought maybe
it's plant physiology
00:21:30.53\00:21:32.22
so I went to a
plant physiology journal,
00:21:32.23\00:21:33.83
zero written. I went then,
00:21:33.84\00:21:36.09
instead of that I thought well,
00:21:36.10\00:21:37.79
maybe it's influencing stem cell
00:21:37.80\00:21:39.60
they have
talked about how it may
00:21:39.61\00:21:40.99
empowers stem cell.
00:21:41.00\00:21:42.02
I went to the
journal stem cell research,
00:21:42.03\00:21:44.19
zero written so in other words,
00:21:44.20\00:21:47.01
you are saying go to PubMed
00:21:47.02\00:21:48.22
I find these two
isolated articles
00:21:48.23\00:21:50.20
but the people who
are promoting this,
00:21:50.21\00:21:51.73
telling me that's a
mountain that should
00:21:51.74\00:21:54.17
tell you something.
00:21:54.18\00:21:55.18
In fact, the same
product now I am aware
00:21:55.19\00:21:57.38
what product it
says I call the company
00:21:57.39\00:22:02.07
and I says you
know, you say you have
00:22:02.08\00:22:03.80
scientific research
to back up your claims
00:22:03.81\00:22:05.92
I would like some
of them I have received
00:22:05.93\00:22:08.13
a stake of
literature a half inch thick.
00:22:08.14\00:22:09.90
I read through there
and these consensuses
00:22:09.91\00:22:13.03
of scientists
agree, scientists agree
00:22:13.04\00:22:15.68
but I found no
report in a science,
00:22:15.69\00:22:20.91
Reputable Scientific Journals.
00:22:20.92\00:22:22.41
In the literature they sent me
00:22:22.42\00:22:24.41
so I think this is
one thing we can do
00:22:24.42\00:22:26.62
but at least that's
why we've got to do,
00:22:26.63\00:22:28.66
we've got try out,
00:22:28.67\00:22:29.64
try to find out what
the active ingredient is,
00:22:29.65\00:22:31.50
find out what the
health claim and find out
00:22:31.51\00:22:33.67
from a reputable
source like PubMed.
00:22:33.68\00:22:36.06
If there is any
research to back it up.
00:22:36.07\00:22:38.07
So self-praise is
no recommendation.
00:22:38.08\00:22:42.10
And testimonial,
testimonies are something
00:22:42.11\00:22:44.99
that are use
very often to promote
00:22:45.00\00:22:47.23
a product, you know,
00:22:47.24\00:22:48.22
and they gets some
big names like you know
00:22:48.23\00:22:50.75
big scientist or
some famous doctor
00:22:50.76\00:22:52.93
or some one like that.
00:22:52.94\00:22:54.34
But really if
it's not their field
00:22:54.35\00:22:56.47
of study and labor,
and study and interest
00:22:56.48\00:22:59.63
it really means
nothing and one person you know
00:22:59.64\00:23:04.63
seeming to
benefit from a product,
00:23:04.64\00:23:07.19
it doesn't mean
that is going to help
00:23:07.20\00:23:09.86
the next person.
You need a larger group
00:23:09.87\00:23:12.43
of people so
that's another thing
00:23:12.44\00:23:14.05
you want to see,
if you want to see
00:23:14.06\00:23:16.36
if this is done on a
large number of people
00:23:16.37\00:23:18.38
and reported more
than one in repeated
00:23:18.39\00:23:21.00
and verified more than one,
00:23:21.01\00:23:23.16
more than one study.
00:23:23.17\00:23:24.14
Its like line
is pulling came out
00:23:24.15\00:23:26.10
with the mega dose of vitamin C
00:23:26.11\00:23:28.00
for everything it
ails you and for a while
00:23:28.01\00:23:30.97
there people were
taking these grossly
00:23:30.98\00:23:34.18
exaggerated doses of vitamin C,
00:23:34.19\00:23:36.35
not the vitamin
C is a bad thing.
00:23:36.36\00:23:38.05
Would you say
Stoy that there is room
00:23:38.06\00:23:40.21
for taking a regular
supplement of any kind?
00:23:40.22\00:23:42.58
I would if some
reason you are traveling
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overseas like I
know that you do,
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I would take a
regular supplement
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not a mega dose
of any other vitamins
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or minerals but a
regular supplement
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because you can't
always eat the type of food
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you want and you can always eat
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when you want it so
maybe in some cases,
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maybe a case
where a child won't eat,
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you can't get him to eat,
00:24:03.95\00:24:04.92
you might want to
get him a supplement,
00:24:04.93\00:24:05.99
maybe during pregnancy,
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the woman would
take a supplement,
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maybe if they are older folks
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they are not
assimilating their vitamin B12
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even though they
are taking vitamin B12
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supplement are
source of food well I say,
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they may want to take some.
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So there is a exceptional cases
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but I think for the
most part we should get
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our vitamins and our minerals,
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our protein, our
carbohydrates and foods.
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In fact, if you spend the money,
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at this particular product
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we are looking
at it was a hundred
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and some dollar for one
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bottle of that or
bottle of this $160
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for that I mean if
you took say the $60
00:24:39.59\00:24:43.56
that you are spending
on this food supplements
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and you put it into saying yes,
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I think we will
buy the blueberries
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even though they
are expensive, yes,
00:24:50.25\00:24:51.71
let's get the
raspberries even though
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they are little
bit more expensive
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then we could afford
and I think that people
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who spent maybe $15 or
$20 a week more on their
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grocery bill would probably
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get a much healthier
approach unnecessarily
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looking for. Another problem
00:25:07.15\00:25:09.55
we have Allan is that,
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that since there has
not been a lot of research
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done on this
supplements we don't know
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what the interaction
is with other supplements,
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the interaction
is with other drugs,
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the interaction
is with other foods.
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Well, of course. We don't know
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what those are, we know some
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of those
interactions are problem
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like grape fruit food use. Yeah.
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It should leave and cholesterol
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lowering
medication, that's right,
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and there are
some other interaction.
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But even worse for surgery,
00:25:37.19\00:25:38.17
when I was doing
surgery I used to be very,
00:25:38.18\00:25:40.71
very concern that
I had a complete list
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of everything
that patient was taking
00:25:42.92\00:25:44.19
because it's
dreadful to get in there,
00:25:44.20\00:25:46.66
cut open the
patient's abdomen say
00:25:46.67\00:25:49.30
we are operating in
the pelvis and you got this
00:25:49.31\00:25:50.98
constant oozes and you're saying
00:25:50.99\00:25:52.98
how do you stop this
oozing only to find out
00:25:52.99\00:25:56.03
later that
although when you got to be
00:25:56.04\00:25:58.20
on a medication they said,
00:25:58.21\00:25:59.26
no, they have been
taking some product,
00:25:59.27\00:26:02.76
that increase blood circulation.
00:26:02.77\00:26:04.77
Now we have a
couple of minutes left
00:26:04.78\00:26:06.25
here Stoy that. Are there are
00:26:06.26\00:26:07.23
some good point?
There are some good points?
00:26:07.24\00:26:08.55
We need to talk about them,
00:26:08.56\00:26:09.53
why don't we
talk about it, okay,
00:26:09.54\00:26:10.51
I mean I think that
there is for instance
00:26:10.52\00:26:12.64
we've mentioned in
another program about
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Supramental for people have
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prostatic hypertrophy.
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I think that there
is a fair amount of
00:26:18.17\00:26:19.91
evidence that
that's a useful herb.
00:26:19.92\00:26:21.72
I think cranberry
juice is very good,
00:26:21.73\00:26:24.98
not as a treatment
but as a preventative
00:26:24.99\00:26:29.89
against urinary
tract infections.
00:26:29.90\00:26:32.01
Many of mild
women who would have
00:26:32.02\00:26:33.65
repeated urinary
tract infections,
00:26:33.66\00:26:35.07
I would encourage them
to take cranberry juice
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because I think
there is a body of evidence
00:26:37.84\00:26:40.25
that shows the cranberry
juice is fairly successful.
00:26:40.26\00:26:42.93
And Garlic is one
of those supplements
00:26:42.94\00:26:44.67
now that they have
concentrated but garlic
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in a regular part
you know when you are
00:26:46.89\00:26:48.59
cooking yourself
is one thing but the
00:26:48.60\00:26:51.19
Cleveland Clinic,
cancer clinic is saying
00:26:51.20\00:26:53.56
you shouldn't be taking garlic
00:26:53.57\00:26:54.90
if you are talking certain
00:26:54.91\00:26:56.14
other medication for cancer
00:26:56.15\00:26:57.38
and so there is
some contraindication
00:26:57.39\00:26:59.95
to some of these supplements
00:26:59.96\00:27:01.52
where is in the
food itself probably
00:27:01.53\00:27:04.56
since it's not
any one ingredient
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is concentrated. It's not gonna
00:27:06.93\00:27:09.22
give you problem. I
think there are some
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others besides sarsaparilla.
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Ginger is good at one.
00:27:12.91\00:27:14.01
Ginger! Well the pregnant women
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should not take
ginger, that's right,
00:27:15.54\00:27:16.98
you know there is
a need to approach
00:27:16.99\00:27:19.75
this subject in a
very definitive way,
00:27:19.76\00:27:23.42
in a way that.
Saint John's Wort,
00:27:23.43\00:27:25.94
St. John's Wort
again ST. John's Wort
00:27:25.95\00:27:29.05
has been tested in
many different situations.
00:27:29.06\00:27:31.41
It doesn't work for everybody.
00:27:31.42\00:27:33.27
It might work for some.
00:27:33.28\00:27:34.39
It might work for some.
00:27:34.40\00:27:35.37
Now do we have time
00:27:35.38\00:27:37.45
to discuss some of the things?
00:27:37.46\00:27:39.04
that have been shown
to be a real problem.
00:27:39.05\00:27:41.47
We really don't. We don't.
00:27:41.48\00:27:42.70
We really don't have time but
00:27:42.71\00:27:43.68
what we do have
time to do is to say
00:27:43.69\00:27:46.20
to our viewers
that they should be
00:27:46.21\00:27:48.55
aware of what it
is they are taking.
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Stoy, I would
like to thank you today
00:27:50.81\00:27:53.12
for being with us. My pleasure!
00:27:53.13\00:27:54.98
This is being
interesting discussion.
00:27:54.99\00:27:56.88
And to our viewers
I think that you may
00:27:56.89\00:27:59.93
have heard enough not
to praise a particular
00:27:59.94\00:28:03.08
supplement nor to
negate a particular supplement
00:28:03.09\00:28:06.59
but to realize that
you need to be aware.
00:28:06.60\00:28:08.92
It's our sincere
desire that you should
00:28:08.93\00:28:11.40
be aware and being
good health. So enjoy.
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