The following program presents
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principles
designed to promote good
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health and is
not intended to take
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the place of
personalized professional care.
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ideas expressed are
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those of the speaker.
Viewers are encouraged
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to draw their own conclusions
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about the information presented.
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Welcome to Wonderfully Made.
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This program is
brought to you today
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to discuss a very
interesting topic.
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One that is
probably a change from
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what we have usually used.
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We're going to talk
today about meat-based diets.
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And in order to do that I
have with me in the studio,
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Mr. Stoy Proctor, who
is an Adjunct Professor
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of nutrition at
Loma Linda University.
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He's also associate
director in the General
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Conference Health
Ministries Department,
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but he is in addition
to that, Chairman of the
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General
Conference Nutrition Council.
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In that he deals
with many Nutritionists
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from Universities
throughout the country.
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And I'm very, very
pleased to have him here.
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We recognized that
97% of the population
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in North America eats meat
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and has their diet
as a meat-based diet.
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That means that only
2 to 3% are vegetarians.
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You are used to seeing
vegetarians and hearing
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vegetarians on
this program, but today
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we would like to see if
it is possible to have a
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basically fairly
healthy meat-based diet.
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Stoy, I'd like to
welcome you to our program.
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Thank you, good to be here.
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The first question
that I have for you is,
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is it possible to have a
healthful meat-based diet?
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I think so, it is. It is? It is.
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And how is it possible?
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Well, 97% of the
people are, are living,
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and many of them
are living to 80 or 90
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and a 100 years
old, so it's possible.
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Is it an optimal diet?
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Well, probably not
the most optimal diet,
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I think we'll get into
studies, scientific studies
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showing that if
you do not eat meat,
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you might have some advantages,
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but, but I would like
to share with our audience
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and of course we
really don't need to
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with the audience, but
for those that are maybe
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vegetarian why meat is
used as one of the staple foods?
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Yes, if, if, if, if there are so
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many people using meat.
There must be a good reason.
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There must be some
reason. Maybe you could tell us
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some of the apparent advantages
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of a meat-based diet.
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Good, number one
I think convenience.
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Now, you and I do a lot
of traveling and we eat,
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we have to eat in a lot
of restaurants and meats
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almost always
available and of course locally
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in especially towns,
smaller towns throughout
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North America and
throughout the world
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there are small
restaurants and almost all of
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them, serve several
dishes of meat, beef, chicken,
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fish, all
different cuts of meats.
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And so it's very
convenient to and it's available
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everywhere in North America.
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In fact, I think a
lot more people would be
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meat-eaters if they
had the money to buy it
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and if it was available,
but meat is in short supply.
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So, convenience is number one.
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Two is, I think it's,
it, it's life sustaining
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in the short run. We
take our pioneers you know
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when they were
traveling across North America
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or across
Australia or across Africa.
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Anyway whoever
there's been pioneers,
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you know they
couldn't stop and grow a crop.
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Grow soy beans or could
grow corn or grow vegetables,
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they killed their meat.
So it's quite convenient.
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And I grew up in Texas
and so I'm a little bit
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familiar and I grew
up around range people.
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So, I know some of
the advantages they say.
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And they've given me
for, for there to meat diet.
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And one is that
there is certain areas,
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well lets say who
express Texas where it may take
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a 100 acres of land
to, to sustain one cow,
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but that one cow will be
sustained by those acreage,
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whereas if you try to
grow some corn or soy beans
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out there without
water, without fertilizer
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you won't be able to do it.
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And there is places like
the Arctic, Arctic Circles,
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where it's very, very cold
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where the Eskimos live you know.
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What would they do?
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They can't grow collard and kale
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and carrots and
apples and oranges.
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You know, it all
has to be imported
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or they eat the local food.
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So, there's a
matter of convenience.
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You know, this
morning. And, and, an option.
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This morning I watched
you eat your breakfast.
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You shouldn't have done that.
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Well, I did. I mean I
saw you had half an apple.
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I'm gonna tell, I'm
gonna tell our viewers
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what he had for breakfast.
You had half an apple,
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you had about a
glass full of soy milk,
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you had some
shredded wheat, whole-wheat,
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shredded wheat
with a little almonds
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and I think a
little honey on it.
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I saw you had two
slices of whole-wheat bread
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on which you put some
peanut butter, which was nutty,
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crumbly and it
was a special brand,
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I saw you purchase
it, you wouldn't have
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any of those
artificial things in there,
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just this pure
nut peanut butter.
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You put on some blueberry,
which we again carefully
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select because
it was you're a bit
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of fattist about your food.
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So, you put this blueberry
preserves on top of that,
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then I saw you had a
handful of grapes and if
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I'm not mistaken you
drank a glass of orange juice.
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I did. Pretty good
breakfast, and here you are
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talking about the
advantages of a meat-based diet.
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You know, it's
taking my breath away.
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You've blown my cover,
but I think we have to admit
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you know, people eat
meat throughout the world for,
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for different
reasons and some of them
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are fairly good reasons.
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You're talking about
protein, is that important.
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Well actually meat provides
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a very high quality
protein. It, it contains
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all the 10 or 11
essential amino acids,
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and it contains
all of the amino acids
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which are about
22, but it attains the,
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the 9 or 10 essential ones.
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So, it's a high quality protein.
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It's, and I said earlier,
it's good for sustaining
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life in the short
run for sure because
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what would have our
pioneers done in the past
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had they not be able
to eat a little fresh
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venison deer or
turkey or, or pheasant,
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pheasant or something like that.
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So, it's convenient that way,
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but there is another reason too,
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it's it has some
nutrients besides protein.
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It has it's, it's full
of, of a good bio available,
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that means our body can use it,
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use all of it
iron called heme iron,
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whereas the non-heme
iron which we find in plant
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foods is sometimes
not as bio available,
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in other words it's
not as usable to the body.
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Although if we, as a vegetarian
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we can be sustained
very nicely on plant foods
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and get all the iron we
need, but lets just face it,
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the iron in the beef and chicken
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and so on is more bio available.
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Zinc, the same
thing, and that's one area
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vegetarians have-to-have,
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they have a problem
getting enough zinc.
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I do a lot of
dietary recalls and looking
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at the nutrient
profile of individuals
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of what they eat all day long
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and it must be for
maybe a week or so.
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And I find that many
vegetarians are low in zinc.
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And part of the reason
is that the, the plant food
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don't have as much
zinc as we might find
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in some of the animal products.
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And second is
not as bio-available.
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Another nutrient
that is found very, very
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plentifully in, in
meat is vitamin B12.
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And now for a vegetarian
that uses milk or eggs
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that's not a
problem, but for vegetarians
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that don't use any
animal products and some people
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like them call themselves vegan
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I would rather
they call themselves
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total vegetarians, but
they now have a real challenge,
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they must find some
outside source of vitamin B12,
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whereas the
meat-eater doesn't have to worry
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about that, if
they're in good normal health.
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Is my mouth open you
know, as I, audience,
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do you think that as
you listen to Stoy here,
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we have to ask this question,
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I just have to
ask him this question.
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Why are you a vegetarian,
if this meat is so good?
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Actually, even
though my parents until I,
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I went to live with
my grandmother at 14,
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my parents ate
meat, ate clean meat,
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beef, chicken,
deer, venison so on,
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but actually I never liked it.
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I was basically
born a vegetarian,
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and so that's one reason,
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but there are
some other reasons.
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I'm a vegetarian because
even though meat has some
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advantages and we've
discussed some of those.
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It has some
disadvantages as well.
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And maybe if you
would like we can discuss
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some of those disadvantages.
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Alright, let's,
let's, let's, let's look,
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you've talked about
the good things in meat
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and everyone has to say
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there are good things in meat.
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Yeah. But what about fiber?
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Well, here I'm
embarrassed now because
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I've got to say that
meat contains zero fiber.
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Zero fiber? Zero fiber.
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Do you know any
benefits of fiber?
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Oh, yes, there's
many benefits of fiber.
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Yeah yes, well I mean.
That we get from whole grain,
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breads and cereals and,
and fruits and vegetables,
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legumes, nuts, all
these are high fiber foods
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and actually we
should be getting 25 to 30
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maybe 25, 30 to 50
grams of fiber per day,
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but if you eat
mostly a meat-based diet
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you're not gonna get
any fiber and that's a
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problem in some, some
areas, especially one area.
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We'll talk about it
a little later I think.
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We may do that. Yeah. Okay.
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Now, there is another
thing I want to ask you about.
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When I looked at a slab
of meat in the supermarket
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and I don't see much fat
maybe they cut the fat off.
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Have we gotten rid
of the saturated fats?
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We've got rid of
some of it, but probably
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what we haven't got
rid of is the cholesterol.
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And any lean piece of
meat or even with chicken
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when you take the
skin off, it still has
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probably 80 to 100
milligrams of cholesterol.
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And, and of course
we, it's recommended
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that we get no
more than and in fact,
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we get less than
300 milligrams a day.
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And so, you know three serve,
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serving a full fat
milk, a piece of cheese,
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and a little bitty piece of meat
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is gonna give us 300 milligrams.
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And so, to keep
that cholesterol down
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and keep that saturated fat down
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we're gonna have to
cut down our meat some.
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My folks, my family
my, my, my in-law family
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who I love
dearly 'cause you know,
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I have great
relationship with them.
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But they being
farmers and they've taught me
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a lot about agriculture.
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One of the things that
they taught me was that
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there are new breeds of beef
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that they have
developed and they say,
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these special
beef have been breed,
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so that the fat is
marbled throughout the meat,
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the meat itself.
What does that mean?
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That means you can't
trim it off from the outside
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like, like the
old fashioned meat.
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And because it's
marbled, you're stuck with it,
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if you eat it. And
it's, and it's still very high
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in cholesterol
and saturated fat.
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And so, and actually
I think maybe the high
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saturated fat, fat
content of the skin of chicken
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and of the basically
beef in general or lamb
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or any kind of red
meat. The basic problem is,
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is the high
saturated fat content.
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Now, if we've got
something that's got a high
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saturated fat
content and it's marbled,
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so we can't cut it off.
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What about the calories in meat?
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Well, it's gonna have
higher calories as well.
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Meat-eater, in fact,
anytime you have any fat
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whether it be from a
plant or an animal product
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for every gram of fat
you're gonna have nine calories,
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whereas every gram of
protein and carbohydrate
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you have got
about four calories.
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So, right there pound
for pound, ounce for ounce,
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milligram per
milligram you've got twice
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as many calories in fat.
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As you do the
carbohydrate and protein.
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So, that in itself makes
meat a high calorie food.
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Does that mean that meat
eaters are heavier you know,
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we've heard all
kinds of Atkins diets,
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high protein
diet, all kinds of stuff
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keeps bombarding the people,
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any new gimmick to
sell books and make money
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seems to be the
order of the day,
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but what about studies
that look at vegetarians
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and meat-eaters, are
meat eaters then the same
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as vegetarians
lighter than vegetarians.
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What's, what's the,
what's heavier than vegetarian?
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What, what do you know
about the average weight?
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Yeah, when we're
talking about averages
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or the medium or the mean,
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that means you take a
large group of people,
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you'll find those
that are vegetarian
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are leaner than the meat-eaters.
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Even though all of the
characteristics are same,
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but we're gonna have some people
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and some of our
viewers maybe say,
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well look I'm the
meat-eater and my wife isn't,
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and I am leaner than she is.
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But, so you have exception,
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but when you take the
large population as a whole
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you're gonna find that,
that the person who eats
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meats several times a
week is going to be probably
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on an average in
the overweight category.
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In other words, we
take in and measure obesity
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and overweight
and normal weight,
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normal weight people
now by a body mass index
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that's a formula we use.
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And if you eat meat
you're gonna be pushed
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right over into
the obese category,
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that means more than 25 BMI.
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Whereas the
vegetarian is gonna be,
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he is down in the 24 or the 23.
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So, on a large
population group studies
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the vegetarian will
invariably be 1 to 2 points
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lower than the meat-eater.
00:14:32.34\00:14:33.99
Now, that has
implications that that alone
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has implications
because you know, we know
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that about 66% of
Americans are overweight.
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And part of it is they
are eating more meat today,
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more larger portions of meat.
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Now, you know, we
have in our audience
00:14:51.87\00:14:53.77
and I'm sure some of
you are out there looking
00:14:54.00\00:14:56.33
at this program and wondering
00:14:56.55\00:14:57.54
just where we
are going with this.
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We would like to
have you continue to watch
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because I'm gonna ask
Stoy, what advise would you
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have for people
who are meat-eaters,
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so they could
enjoy better health?
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Okay, there are some
things that we can do.
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Number one, you can
of course first of all
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choose the leanest cuts
of meat from the grocery
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usually the loins
are lower in calories
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than some of the
other cuts of meat.
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So, so choose the
leaner cuts of meat,
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ask your butcher
or you do it yourself,
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if there is any
excess fat on the outside
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cut that fat off.
Although I know it's gonna be
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a challenge because
it's the fat that makes it
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taste nice,
taste good. Oh, I see.
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And so there,
therefore people are reluctant
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to cut the fat off,
but that's the health,
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unhealthy,
unhealthiest part of it.
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The muscle part is, is
the healthier part of it,
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if you can call it healthier.
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So, though that's the
first thing to do to cut
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the fat off as much as you can.
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And if you're using
chicken or something like that,
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skin the chicken, I mean
after it's fried or whatever,
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take the skin off, and
give that to your cat or dog
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and but you eat
just the meat itself.
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And that's another
thing that we certainly
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could do to, to
reduce the calories
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and reduce the
saturated fat as well.
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Now you know,
you're saying that,
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but some pet lovers
are not going to be feeling
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too happy about you
giving stuff you wouldn't eat
00:16:24.87\00:16:28.96
to the cat or the
dog because, this is.
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You've got a choice.
You've got three choices,
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eat it, give it to your
cat or dog, throw it away.
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Yeah, maybe, maybe you know.
00:16:36.66\00:16:38.11
Or give it to
the husband or wife
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you don't love.
So, is that quicker.
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Now, in the handling of
meat I just want to make
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a little point because
some people are handling meats.
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And they don't
understand, particularly poultry
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is very prone to be
contaminate with salmonella,
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it's not that the salmonella
is actually in the meat,
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the salmonella is in
the bowel of the chicken,
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but as the chicken is
killed, as the fecal material
00:17:02.91\00:17:06.37
of that poultry
becomes exposed, it may get on
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the meat and so
contaminate the meat.
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I'd like you to give a
little bit of advice to
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meat-eaters and
particularly meat handlers
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because there's
maybe some vegetarians
00:17:17.77\00:17:19.12
who are handling meat for their,
00:17:19.33\00:17:21.15
for their spouse or
other family members.
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And before I answer
the question there is even
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another opportunity
for vegetarians to be,
00:17:24.75\00:17:28.49
their foods to be
contaminated with meat,
00:17:28.70\00:17:30.83
maybe at the supermarket
because someone before you
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on that belt that
goes around you know,
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when you go to the large
supermarkets when they have
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their conveyor belt,
you set your foods on there,
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if someone before that
has set a package of meat
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on there and it just set
it raw, not the raw meat,
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but the package meat.
Somebody has handle that
00:17:45.87\00:17:47.96
and then you set your
bananas, not your bananas,
00:17:48.18\00:17:50.96
but your peaches or,
or some of the other foods
00:17:51.17\00:17:53.86
down on that same place.
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It might pick up some of
that salmonella or E-coli.
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So, even
vegetarians have to watch.
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That's a long shot
Stoy. What about in the house?
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No, it's not so,
no it's not so long.
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It's not nearly
as a big a problem.
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No, no, there is a
greater problem. Yeah.
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The greater problem is
people eating raw meat.
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Yes. Now, that well
people like lean red beef.
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They like to see the
blood you know. Yeah.
00:18:17.67\00:18:20.00
And men especially
they don't like that,
00:18:20.21\00:18:22.52
if it, if it's well cooked.
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And so that's the problem
00:18:24.54\00:18:26.24
when the meat
is not well cooked.
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So, whatever you do,
if you are a meat-eater,
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cook your meat thoroughly.
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Not only on the
outside, but the inside.
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Be sure you
stick a probe in there
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and be sure that
probe, the temperature
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reaches the
appropriate temperature.
00:18:40.39\00:18:41.86
So, that's another
thing you can do is
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cook it properly,
don't eat red meat.
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And once you handle
meat, especially the raw meat
00:18:47.17\00:18:51.31
or the packages of the
raw meat wash your hands
00:18:51.53\00:18:53.92
before you handle
any other vegetables.
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And so this, this way is
pretty well protected and,
00:18:57.34\00:19:00.82
and cooked meat will,
will protect you quite well.
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You don't want
to barbecued meat.
00:19:04.90\00:19:07.30
And probably I don't know about
00:19:07.42\00:19:09.76
where we're filming this today,
00:19:10.55\00:19:12.39
but I know in Texas
and different places
00:19:12.42\00:19:14.26
and even some of
the islands like Bali
00:19:14.49\00:19:16.57
that we've been at,
they like barbecued meat.
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Barbecued meat have.
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Why don't you like
the barbecued meat?
00:19:21.25\00:19:22.22
What's, what's? Oh, I think
00:19:22.23\00:19:23.20
people will like barbecued meat.
00:19:23.21\00:19:24.18
But, but why don't you
recommend barbecued meat?
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The problem when
barbecued meat is that
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it when you barbecue the
meat some of the fat falls
00:19:28.33\00:19:31.57
down into fire,
drips down into the fire
00:19:31.79\00:19:33.37
and that heats very
highly and it produces certain
00:19:33.58\00:19:37.76
chemicals that
saturates the meat back again,
00:19:37.97\00:19:41.16
it saturates the
meat again from the smoke
00:19:41.37\00:19:43.40
and from the, from the fire.
00:19:43.63\00:19:45.58
And so that has
determined to be carcinogenic.
00:19:45.80\00:19:48.80
In fact, that
means cancer causing.
00:19:49.00\00:19:51.16
In fact, the American
Institute for Cancer Research
00:19:51.37\00:19:53.80
has looked at
food related cancers
00:19:54.01\00:19:56.97
and barbecued meat is
number one on their list
00:19:57.19\00:20:00.67
as meats that
really maybe initiator
00:20:00.87\00:20:03.90
of cancer in a different way.
00:20:04.12\00:20:05.98
Another thing that
we see a lot of use of
00:20:06.01\00:20:07.78
meat is hamburger
meat. I suppose this
00:20:07.81\00:20:10.40
is the way of using cheaper cuts
00:20:10.43\00:20:12.50
and mincing it all up, grinding
00:20:12.53\00:20:14.65
it all in together,
putting it in there.
00:20:14.68\00:20:16.70
And it's from
hamburger meats that we see
00:20:16.73\00:20:19.45
a lot of what they,
sometimes refer to as
00:20:19.48\00:20:22.62
the hamburger
disease. In medical terms
00:20:22.65\00:20:25.59
it's hemolytic-uremic syndrome,
00:20:25.62\00:20:27.66
it's a toxic, toxic substance
00:20:27.69\00:20:32.01
that's released by
a coliform organism.
00:20:32.04\00:20:34.59
You get a little
coliform organism
00:20:34.62\00:20:36.32
in some of the
meat, you mix all of that
00:20:36.35\00:20:37.83
stuff together, so now
you've mixed it through
00:20:37.86\00:20:39.47
the whole blob of
the meat. And so you can
00:20:39.50\00:20:42.50
get certain of
these strains very readily
00:20:42.53\00:20:45.06
spread throughout
the meat. It can kill,
00:20:45.09\00:20:48.39
it can kill
children particularly,
00:20:48.42\00:20:50.27
shuts their kidneys down,
00:20:50.30\00:20:51.45
it melts their
blood, so that we get,
00:20:51.48\00:20:53.32
and you get hemolysis,
they plug up the kidney
00:20:53.35\00:20:56.41
nephrons and so
forth. Now, what again
00:20:56.44\00:20:59.49
would you now advocate to people
00:20:59.52\00:21:02.30
who are wanting
to use hamburger.
00:21:02.33\00:21:04.81
First of all
have the butcher grind
00:21:04.84\00:21:07.55
your own hamburger
from pieces of meat
00:21:07.58\00:21:10.28
that you see,
don't buy hamburger meat
00:21:10.31\00:21:13.62
that's already
ground because who knows
00:21:13.65\00:21:16.13
it might have
taken all the scraps
00:21:16.16\00:21:17.75
and hamburger
make, hamburger meat
00:21:17.78\00:21:20.18
is very high in
fat because they do
00:21:20.21\00:21:21.87
the trimmings and
the left overs and,
00:21:21.90\00:21:24.05
and hamburger meat
can contain anything,
00:21:24.08\00:21:26.37
any part of the, of the animal.
00:21:26.40\00:21:28.47
And whereas if
you have, if you buy
00:21:28.50\00:21:30.52
your own piece of
meat and have it ground
00:21:30.55\00:21:33.48
yourself you know,
exactly what's in there.
00:21:33.51\00:21:36.22
Do they grind it
on the same machine
00:21:36.25\00:21:37.91
that they ground the
sharp stuff on there?
00:21:37.94\00:21:39.52
Probably. So. That's
why, that's why you need
00:21:39.55\00:21:43.60
to cook it. That's
why you need to cook it,
00:21:43.63\00:21:45.82
so be sure whatever
type of meats you eat,
00:21:45.85\00:21:48.32
it's well cooked.
You are a wonderful. No,
00:21:48.35\00:21:50.47
no sushi, no
sushi, no lean, rare beef,
00:21:50.50\00:21:55.95
because this is a way
that you can get sick.
00:21:55.98\00:21:58.91
Now, the interesting thing I.
00:21:58.94\00:22:01.80
Are you
supposed to be advocating
00:22:01.83\00:22:03.96
how people can eat
meat, because you're
00:22:03.99\00:22:05.92
making me feel a
little bit upset. I didn't ask
00:22:05.95\00:22:07.66
my wife for
permission to use her
00:22:07.69\00:22:09.24
as an example,
but I think I hope
00:22:09.27\00:22:11.00
she'll give me that permission,
00:22:11.03\00:22:12.21
but she grew up in
a meat eating family.
00:22:12.24\00:22:14.57
And her family were not rich
00:22:14.60\00:22:17.78
and they used a
lot of hamburger meat.
00:22:17.81\00:22:20.02
And they had a lot
of stomach intestinal
00:22:20.05\00:22:22.68
upsets all the time,
someone had a stomach
00:22:22.71\00:22:25.19
upset of some
kind. And when we got
00:22:25.22\00:22:28.52
married after a
month or two she says,
00:22:28.55\00:22:30.49
you know, something is different
00:22:30.52\00:22:32.23
I'm not been upset
at all. I say, you know,
00:22:32.26\00:22:36.00
I wonder if it is
not because you're not
00:22:36.03\00:22:39.06
eating you know
cheap hamburger meat,
00:22:39.09\00:22:41.51
but that is, that
could be a problem.
00:22:41.54\00:22:43.48
You know, there are a
lot of studies on meat
00:22:43.51\00:22:45.78
and our time goes
so very, very quickly
00:22:45.81\00:22:48.16
when we talk
about topics like this.
00:22:48.19\00:22:49.69
There are a lot of
studies that have shown
00:22:49.72\00:22:51.84
that meat eating
is associated with
00:22:51.87\00:22:54.25
different problems.
Tell me some of those
00:22:54.28\00:22:57.68
problems just very
few of them. Number one
00:22:57.71\00:22:58.77
I think is
probably heart disease
00:22:58.80\00:23:00.38
and that's due
to the saturated fat
00:23:00.41\00:23:02.93
in the meats. And
the, the, the, the high
00:23:02.96\00:23:06.92
saturated fat in
many, many studies
00:23:06.95\00:23:09.61
have shown that raise
your blood cholesterol,
00:23:09.64\00:23:11.99
your serum
cholesterol. And if you have a
00:23:12.02\00:23:14.39
high serum cholesterol lets say,
00:23:14.42\00:23:16.03
250-300 or just
something like that.
00:23:16.06\00:23:18.28
As many
meat-eaters do, they are prone
00:23:18.31\00:23:21.89
to greater risk
of heart disease.
00:23:21.92\00:23:23.49
What about colon
cancer? Colon cancer is
00:23:23.52\00:23:26.47
another one of
those things and probably
00:23:26.50\00:23:28.03
the colon cancer we don't know
00:23:28.06\00:23:30.47
all the
mechanisms, but colon cancer is
00:23:30.50\00:23:31.99
probably due to
the fact that the meat
00:23:32.02\00:23:35.30
does not have any
fiber, when we are getting
00:23:35.33\00:23:37.94
25 to 50 grams of fiber
a day we have our bowel,
00:23:37.97\00:23:41.65
our food, our
excess food or bulk
00:23:41.68\00:23:44.32
of the food moves
right through our,
00:23:44.35\00:23:46.13
our tract into the
toilet. And, and we have
00:23:46.16\00:23:49.92
a nice maybe daily
or, or at least every
00:23:49.95\00:23:53.52
other day we have
several bowel movement
00:23:53.55\00:23:55.50
or two and so it moves
there, but when you eat
00:23:55.53\00:23:58.30
a highly refined
diet or a high meat diet
00:23:58.33\00:24:00.50
which is
basically zero calories,
00:24:00.53\00:24:02.48
zero fiber that tends to pack up
00:24:02.51\00:24:05.73
and you become constipated.
00:24:05.76\00:24:07.68
And they think
maybe that constipation
00:24:07.71\00:24:10.41
lying in the
intestinal walls for you know
00:24:10.44\00:24:13.58
days at an end.
Might irritate the colon
00:24:13.61\00:24:16.80
or might develop the, may start
00:24:16.83\00:24:18.89
the initiation of
cancer. I'm aware of
00:24:18.92\00:24:20.67
the, the study came out
of Loma Linda University
00:24:20.70\00:24:23.01
that showed that
there was a protective
00:24:23.04\00:24:25.34
benefit from
certain foods even in
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meat-eaters.
Maybe you could tell,
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tell us about that.
Yes, and I think that's,
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that's something
give us a little courage
00:24:30.73\00:24:33.84
for the meat-eaters especially
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and that is two, actually it was
00:24:35.19\00:24:36.96
two foods came out of Loma Linda
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as well as, now
it's been verified by
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Harvard Nurses Study
or the Harvard Doctors
00:24:40.40\00:24:43.32
Study and other
studies, but there's actually
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several studies now
showing that not only
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legumes but nuts as
well is protective against
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heart disease as well
as cancer, several cancers.
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And so, if a meat-eater
can get enough legumes
00:24:56.80\00:25:00.95
and enough fiber and enough nuts
00:25:00.98\00:25:03.47
in their diet, if
they have any room left
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without gaining
weight too many calories
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you know, if they
have any, any, any
00:25:09.51\00:25:11.65
room left they
might take a little meat
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because it really is
the lack of the fiber
00:25:13.85\00:25:17.49
and the
phytonutrients in the legumes
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and nuts and other
things that's actually
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keep you,
keeping you from getting
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these diseases.
So, it's not the meat
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so much, as the
lack of the other,
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but problem is you know, most
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meat-eaters
especially men especially
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they like to have
that steak, center plate
00:25:32.62\00:25:36.09
or that hamburger center dish.
00:25:36.12\00:25:38.46
You know, the French fries
00:25:38.49\00:25:40.98
and the little
salad that some of the
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fast food companies
give you are never eaten,
00:25:43.26\00:25:45.98
they're thrown
away in the trash,
00:25:46.01\00:25:47.26
it's only the
hamburger. And that's a problem,
00:25:47.29\00:25:49.70
it's, it's not
that meat is so bad
00:25:49.73\00:25:52.51
it's that the other is so good.
00:25:52.54\00:25:54.69
And you've got
to have the other,
00:25:54.72\00:25:56.34
otherwise you're gonna
suffer the consequences.
00:25:56.37\00:25:58.36
So, if you have to
chose between something
00:25:58.39\00:26:00.05
that is not so
bad, and something
00:26:00.08\00:26:02.33
that is so good,
it will seem to me
00:26:02.36\00:26:04.52
that the choice.
Should be so good.
00:26:04.55\00:26:06.31
Obviously so
good, that's right, yes.
00:26:06.34\00:26:07.81
Now, another reason
I think meat is popular
00:26:07.84\00:26:10.39
is that people
are getting a habit
00:26:10.42\00:26:12.76
of liking it, they
get, they like the texture,
00:26:12.79\00:26:15.63
they like the, the
taste, they like the
00:26:15.66\00:26:18.59
flavor and when they and if you,
00:26:18.62\00:26:21.42
if anyone in our
audience is wanting
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to become a
vegetarian, it takes a while
00:26:23.24\00:26:26.21
to make this
switch over because you're
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going to be
feeling empty. I remember
00:26:28.72\00:26:30.59
my grandmother, when
she become a vegetarian,
00:26:30.62\00:26:33.14
she says, I always feel hungry.
00:26:33.17\00:26:35.32
Junior, she used
to call me Junior,
00:26:35.35\00:26:37.54
so Junior I need
some protein you know,
00:26:37.57\00:26:41.28
she didn't really need proteins,
00:26:41.31\00:26:43.70
she was feeling the,
I guess the stimulating
00:26:43.73\00:26:46.71
affects of the
meat and it took her
00:26:46.74\00:26:48.52
several years to get over that.
00:26:48.55\00:26:49.94
Another people
will find that problem,
00:26:49.97\00:26:52.50
but once you
become a vegetarian like
00:26:52.53\00:26:54.24
I would you
probably would have the same
00:26:54.27\00:26:57.30
opinion that I do and that is,
00:26:57.33\00:26:58.57
if meat was good for
me I would not eat it
00:26:58.60\00:27:01.44
because I
remember the first time
00:27:01.47\00:27:03.61
I tried a steak. And
it was in Waco, Texas.
00:27:03.64\00:27:07.42
And I've done a
nice job for some people,
00:27:07.45\00:27:09.94
they want to treat
me. And so they took me
00:27:09.97\00:27:12.07
out to there and
all that was available
00:27:12.10\00:27:13.49
was steak. And I
started chewing on this steak
00:27:13.52\00:27:16.08
and I chewed and
chewed and chewed and,
00:27:16.11\00:27:17.47
chewed and it wouldn't go down,
00:27:17.50\00:27:19.12
it wouldn't go away
like you know the beans
00:27:19.15\00:27:20.97
and other things would. And so,
00:27:21.00\00:27:22.83
so I don't really
like meat, so it's not a
00:27:22.86\00:27:25.50
problem for me, but
I think. But that Stoy
00:27:25.53\00:27:27.07
is not a good argument against.
00:27:27.10\00:27:28.63
Oh, no, oh no, no.
And I think as we come
00:27:28.66\00:27:31.54
you know, as we come to the end
00:27:31.57\00:27:33.03
of this program
we have to make a few
00:27:33.06\00:27:34.67
clear points. First
of all meat may not be
00:27:34.70\00:27:38.06
a devil of the food,
but it's certainly not
00:27:38.09\00:27:41.95
the best food. And I think Stoy,
00:27:41.98\00:27:45.83
most of us would
agree that we should
00:27:45.86\00:27:48.21
encourage
meat-eaters to reduce the amount
00:27:48.24\00:27:50.37
of meat that they're
eating for good health.
00:27:50.40\00:27:52.52
I would. Stoy, I'd like to thank
00:27:52.55\00:27:54.99
you for being with us.
00:27:55.02\00:27:55.99
You're welcome. In this program,
00:27:56.00\00:27:56.97
you've certainly
provided a lot of very
00:27:56.98\00:27:59.17
interesting
information. And to our viewers
00:27:59.20\00:28:02.24
I would like to say
that it should be obvious
00:28:02.27\00:28:04.34
to you and that
though meat is a food
00:28:04.37\00:28:06.45
that maybe
necessary for the most part
00:28:06.48\00:28:08.43
we can do much better with the
00:28:08.46\00:28:09.60
vegetarian diet,
I'd encourage you
00:28:09.63\00:28:12.03
to incorporate that in yours.
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