Have you ever tried to navigate
your way through the dark?
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I think we can agree,
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the most important
thing you need is light.
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Stay tuned to get ignited.
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They try to change
us from the outside in,
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and that's never going to work.
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Because I know that no matter
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how hard and cold
the exterior may seem,
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I know that inside we hurt.
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So we just want to come
and share some hope with you
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and let you know
that we love you,
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and that Jesus loves you
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beyond anybody in this world.
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I'm not here today to
judge you or condemn you,
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we're today to tell
you that we love you
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and we understand the
situation that you're in.
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Wow!
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That's solemn
sound, isn't it, bro?
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Yeah.
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That reminds me
of the dark times
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in my life, man.
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Amen, that's for real.
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Yeah.
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Hello, I'm Jason Bradley,
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and I'm glad that you
decided to join us here in jail.
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I'm here with Lemuel Vega,
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founder of Christmas Behind Bars
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and you kind of caught us
in the middle of reminiscing
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about our dark past.
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So, Lemuel, speak
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to what it's like
to have the light?
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You know, Brother,
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that's what Christmas
Behind Bars is all about.
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It's bringing light
into these dark places.
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These packages that we make
and our sponsors help provide
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and 3ABN as well,
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they go to solitary confinement.
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They go to places
where men don't ever get out
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unless they're
going to the shower.
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They eat in there,
they sleep in there
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and they're in
there just, like, all day,
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you know, 24 hours
a day, 7 days a week,
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unless they get a
little bit of recreation.
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There is no hope
confined to a cell.
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There is no light.
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There's outside sunshine
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that occasionally
a ray will come in,
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but we're talking about
a light that's internal.
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Can you share
something from the scripture
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about the internal,
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the internalization of light?
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Absolutely.
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I want to read to
you from John 8:12,
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and the Word of God says,
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"Then Jesus spoke
to them again, saying,
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'I am the light of the world.
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He who follows Me
shall not walk in darkness,
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but have the light of life.'"
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The light of life
that we're able to provide
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for these people in prison.
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We can't take
matches and candles
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and flashlights and batteries.
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But the light of life
is embedded in the power
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that comes through the
Holy Spirit in the Bible.
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So we're able to take
Bibles in to these people
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and we actually need Bibles,
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so if our sponsors at home
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would like to send
Bibles to Christmas Behind Bars,
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they can do that.
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New or used
Bibles, we need Bibles.
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The gift packages that we
make are filled with literature.
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There's a
Creation magazine in here,
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there's a Steps to Christ,
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there's a GLOW
tracts and literature,
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along with
pretzels and snack items.
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So our desire is this
can bring them a bit of hope,
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a bit of light,
the Creation magazine,
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the Word of God.
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And so, there's a
lot of different ways
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we talk about light,
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but you're
talking about that Jesus
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is the light of the world.
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That's right.
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And, you know, there's lights,
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there's candles
here representing
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the light, the light.
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And so as people
come to know who Jesus is,
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then they want to share
that with somebody else.
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That's right. That's the gospel.
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When we come and
we have that desire
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because we want
others to know of the truth.
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And I have a friend,
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he was in the
maximum security prison
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where I was incarcerated.
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And this guy was selling drugs.
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He's inside prison
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and he's selling drugs
on the street from prison
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and they busted this guy
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and so he got a lawyer.
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In maximum security
prison, he got a lawyer
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and he paid him $30,000.
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$30,000.
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$30,000 from a prison cell,
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paid his
attorney and guess what?
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His lawyer worked against him
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and they added 30
years to his sentence.
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Wow.
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He only had a couple years left,
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they added 30
years to his sentence
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and they took him out
of the state of Indiana
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and they shipped him off
to a faraway place, Virginia.
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And in a super
max prison, Brother,
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let me tell you something,
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then boys that had life,
double life, life plus 80,
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they started telling
my friend about Jesus.
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They started telling my friend
about the light of the world,
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they started
sharing with him the gospel.
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You know what
my friend told him?
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What did he tell him?
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I already know about Jesus.
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He said, "I've been
running from Jesus."
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But in that super
max prison in Virginia,
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my friend gave
his life to Christ,
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and my friend
began to evangelize
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and share with other people.
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My friend only had 30 years,
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these people had
life and double life.
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My friend was
transferred back to Indiana,
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he was down to... He
have to do half of your time.
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He was transferred
back to a prison in Indiana
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and they said, Oh,
he's back, he's back.
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The game's on, come
on dude, let's get."
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He said, "No."
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He said, "That's the old me."
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Yes.
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He said, "This is the new me."
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And when he got out of prison,
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he started going down
to his local county jail
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and he wanted to share,
he had a desire to share
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and bring hope to those
people in the county jail
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where he went to
prison for many years
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and people he knew.
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And, you know,
they begin talking
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about Christmas Behind Bars,
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they said, "Christmas
Behind Bars brings these great,
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big bags and they
got the big bags."
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And this guy would
just bring little bags
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full of candy and a few things
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and so he called
me wanting to know
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what Christmas Behind Bars,
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what's that about, you know?
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Can I go with you?
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And so I invited
him to come to a prison
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and we're at this
prison, 3000 inmates
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and he comes up to me and said,
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"Do you think we
could ever take this program
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to Virginia?"
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So see, he had
found a hope in Christ
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and he wanted to go back
to the state of Virginia,
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where those people were never
going to get out of prison.
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And I'm like,
"Look, dude, right now,
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we're focused on
this prison right here.
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The next three days,
we're going to be right here,"
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and I couldn't even think,
I said, "Why don't you check?"
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What he did,
man, is he went home
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and he called the prison
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and he talked to someone
in the chaplaincy office.
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I get a call from
central office in Virginia
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and this guy's named Dr. Chay,
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he's in charge
of all the prisons
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and all the
religious programming.
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And this guy
called me and he said,
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"You know, I think
that it's a great program"
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he said, "I've approved it.
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He said, "I've
approved it for every inmate
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in the state of Virginia."
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Praise the Lord.
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I said, "Sir, how
many inmates you got?"
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He said, "Thirty thousand."
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I said, "Look, man," I
said, "I tell you what,
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we'd never even done
15,000 up to that point,
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never in the
ministry time before."
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I said, "Look, I tell you
what, we'll do 15,000 to start."
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He said, "Well, we'll
start at the level ones
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and we'll work our way up."
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I said, "Oh, no sir,
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we want to
start at the super max
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and work our way down,"
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because I knew that's
where Buddy wanted to go.
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And see because Buddy
gave his life to Christ.
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Buddy gave his life to
Christ and lives were ignited,
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lives were changed,
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hope was brought back
to not only the prison
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where Buddy wanted to go back,
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but hope was brought
to 30,000 men and women
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for Christ.
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And that's what
the gospel is about.
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As we come to know who Jesus is,
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then we want to share
it with somebody else.
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And so one individual
committed his life to Christ,
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30,000 men and women were
encouraged with the gospel
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through Christmas
Behind Bars and the packages.
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So that's what the light is,
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as we come to know
the light internally,
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then we want to share the light.
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Yes, absolutely.
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I mean, how can you hold on
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to a good thing
and not share it?
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Amen.
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When Jesus comes in and
He transforms your life,
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you can't help but to
share the good news of Christ.
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And that is
incredible that you got in touch
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with the guy that was in
charge over all of the prisons,
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30,000 people incarcerated.
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He approved it for every prison.
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Yes, and the interesting thing
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for your friend's attorney too.
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You know what?
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We have packages for
these folk right here.
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If you'd want to take
and give them to the officer,
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he'll look at them and
then he can pass them out,
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that'd be great.
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Yeah, these are
really great packages,
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full of great snacks,
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great spiritual
material and everything.
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What do we tell people
when we go into the prisons
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about the spiritual food
versus the physical food?
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Which one lasts longer?
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The physical food is a blessing.
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But the spiritual reality
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is what's going to
last throughout eternity.
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That's right. That's right.
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Let me ask you
this, how does your faith
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play a role in what you do?
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I think it's huge.
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Where would I be
without the Lord Jesus Christ?
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Amen.
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I can only imagine, right?
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As the song says, so
they're no different.
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If He can change a
person like myself,
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He can change
any of those people.
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They have to know that
somebody believes in them.
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Absolutely.
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I'm no different,
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and it's a great way that
we can change their lives,
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even if it's one of them.
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Oh, yes.
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I can't tell you many
times this guy has come in,
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calls last
minute, "We've got bags,
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I'm like, "Yeah, bring them,"
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and you can just see how
receptive these people are
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because I think that the love.
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Yeah, the goodie bags, I get it,
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but the love that you're
not going to surpass that.
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And in the first
block that we went to,
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the ladies that
were in there, the tears,
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those are raw, those are real.
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And some of those people
and some of these individuals
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in this facility are so hardened
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and so hard for you to get
the tears out of them, right?
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That's not us,
that is the Holy Spirit.
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Amen.
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Again, I think that your
heart has to be compelled
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to give back to
see somebody change
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and really what
kind of price tag
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can you put on that, so?
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Amen.
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What kind of
difference do you think
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receiving one of those packages
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makes in the lives of say,
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someone that's incarcerated?
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Well, number one, they
know that these packages
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just didn't jump together.
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They know that someone took
the time to care about them.
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There was a lady
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and she was trying
to go into this prison
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to see her loved one
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and the officer told her
she had to lock her car keys up
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in the locker.
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And he said, "It
takes a quarter."
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She said, "I
don't have a quarter."
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She said, "I spent
my last five dollars
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to come down
here to see individual
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that they were going to go see."
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And I thought, man,
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she spent her last five
dollars to come down here.
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So these people know that
you could be doing anything else
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any other day of the week,
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you could be doing a
whole lot of other things
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than coming down to the prison.
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So they know it's genuine
love, care and compassion,
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no strings
attached, everybody gets one.
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Yes.
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And how do you come
about getting all of the things
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that go into these packages?
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It's through the sponsors,
sponsors make it possible.
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We always try to be very frugal
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with the prices
we pay for things.
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I've told the inmates
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and I'll tell the
people in the world today.
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It's God number one.
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Amen.
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Thank Him. Yeah.
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Number two, thank the
administration, the staff.
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And number three, if
the inmates would like
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to write any
letters of appreciation,
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we make copies of those
and send them to the sponsors
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because it's not us.
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We've just been
people that have experienced
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pain that far.
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And the man,
there was a biker, dude.
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We were walking down the range
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after the package's
all been passed out.
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He didn't have no shirt on
and tattoos from here to here.
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He had everything systematically
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laid out on his bed
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and when I was walking
by his cell, he stopped me,
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he said, "What you
people have done for me
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is more than what
my people's done for me
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the whole time
I've been in prison."
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So that's what that bag
meant to one individual.
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Wow. Yeah, that's huge.
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What did it feel like for
you coming out of darkness
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into Christ' marvelous light?
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That there was hope for my
life and there was purpose.
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I mean, it's not about a jet ski
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or a boat or a
convertible or whatever,
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it was about that there's
hope to share the gospel,
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that we cared and I
can't begin to tell you
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the dynamic of it.
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It's such a joy
and such a blessing.
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Did you experience the same?
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Oh, I did and, you
know, I noticed a change
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in my countenance.
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I noticed, you know, once
the inside began to change
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that the outward
began to change as well.
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And I think that as Christians,
we need to keep that in mind
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before we go about
judging other people
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for their outward appearance.
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We need to recognize that, hey,
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God is working on their heart,
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God is working on their insides,
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and you will end up
seeing the manifestation of that
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on the outside as well.
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And you don't know where
they're at on that spectrum
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on their journey.
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You know, maybe
they're just starting,
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maybe they just lost a loved one
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or whatever and
they got all this,
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so want to come alongside,
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be an
encouragement as Christians.
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Amen?
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Yes, and uplifting.
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Now, you know, Christ
came and not entered the world,
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not to condemn the world, right?
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But that the world
through Him might be saved.
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Might be saved, yeah.
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So what would you
say to that individual
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that might be on the
fence about accepting Jesus?
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I'd like to say, you'd
been through the world,
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you've tried
everything else and today,
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please be willing
to try one more time.
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Maybe you've tried
before and maybe you've failed,
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maybe your candles went out.
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God will
reignite, relight, inspire,
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encourage and He
will walk with you
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on this journey
from now to eternity.
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Amen. Thank you, Brother.
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Thank you for
coming on and sharing.
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I see the passion and the fire
that's lit inside of your life.
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And we want to
thank you for joining us.
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Join us next time. God bless.
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