The following program
presents principles designed
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to promote good health
and is not intended to take
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the place of
personalized professional care.
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The opinions and ideas expressed
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are those of the speaker.
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Viewers are encouraged to
draw their own conclusions
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about the information presented.
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It's a sad truth,
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but not all
diseases can be cured.
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And sometimes the best treatment
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may be to try and
maximize one's quality of life
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for a time by
slowing down the disease.
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Finding hope in situations
like this can be difficult,
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but stay tuned,
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and we'll share
some hope with you today,
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here on the
Ultimate Prescription.
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Thank you for joining us here
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on the Ultimate
Prescription today.
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I'm your host Nick Evenson
here with Dr. James Marcum,
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Cardiologist
and Speaker Director
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at Heartwise Ministries.
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Yes.
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Dr. Marcum, you know,
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sometimes
diseases can't be cured.
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And in those times I
think you're very good
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at giving hope to your patients.
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Well, you know,
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it's one thing that's
learned is the belief systems
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are a key part of disease.
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And, you know, everyone
wants to slow down disease,
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everyone You've heard so
much about disease... reversal.
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But I have a lot of
patients that come to me
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from everywhere now
that have advanced disease.
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I think of a gentleman
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I take care of
that at Wall Street,...
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he'd already
He's in his late 30s,
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already had his bypass surgery,
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couldn't go 10 feet
without having chest pain
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moving up into his jaw
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was already on six
or seven medications.
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And he comes to the office
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wanting to know what he
can do to help his heart.
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Yeah.
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Well, some of my
colleagues, you know,
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the most common
manifestation of heart disease
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is coronary artery disease
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that's blockages in the arteries
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that feed the heart muscle.
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And that's what this gentleman
from Wall Street was occurring.
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Why did he have it?
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He had bad genes.
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And he was actually storing fat
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in his arteries at an early age.
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Our bodies are
made to metabolize fat
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in different ways
based on our genetics,
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but if you take in more than
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10 to 15% of
your calories in fat,
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which he was doing
in his younger age,
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it's stored somewhere,
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you know, some people
were taking in up to 30 to 40%
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of their calories in fat.
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And if we get it
from saturated fat,
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animal fat,
depending on our genes,
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it could be stored,
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and actually
everyone in his family
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had genetic heart disease.
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And unfortunately,
he was a smoker as well.
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So it's quite a few whammies
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and he started having surgeries
and bypasses when he was young.
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It didn't
really fix the problem.
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Right.
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Lots of disease,
lots of problems,
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and then the
arteries were too small,
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too diseased to do
anything with procedures.
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His medicines
were already maximized.
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So he wanted to know
things that he could do.
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And a lot of the
doctors he'd been to says,
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"No, it's impossible to reverse
any type of disease genetics."
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Okay?
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But we've been learning
more and more about this.
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And my interest in
this really spurred
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from about a
little bit over a decade.
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A friend of mine,
Caldwell Esselstyn,
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he wrote this book
Reversing Heart Disease.
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Okay.
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And in this book,
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he talks about
reversing heart disease,
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how he did it with nutrition.
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And he took a
cohort of patients, Nick,
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and he put them
on plant-based diet
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and certain numbers
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that weren't
able to halt disease,
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some were able
to reverse disease.
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Yeah.
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And that was over a decade ago.
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Right.
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So I was very
interested in this.
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So I go up to
the Cleveland Clinic,
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talk to him about it.
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And this is the
only thing he's doing.
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He's putting them
on real strict diets,
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plant-based
diets, and studying them.
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And he found out
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and he published
articles on this about,
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"Yes, it is
possible to reverse disease."
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So I shared this with my patient
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from Wall Street.
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I said, "Listen, you know,
it's possible not everybody,
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some genetics are too strong.
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But you know,
let's do everything
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we can to reverse disease."
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And we start talking
about the different stressors.
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So I had him quit
smoking cigarettes, okay?
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Then he went to
a plant-based diet.
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And then I
convinced him that greens,
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nitrates make arteries bigger,
make the endothelial healthier,
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you know, and then I
talked him about the fats,
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and he was eating lots of fats,
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you know, he loved
cheese, he loved bacon,
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he loved those type of things.
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And I had to
convince him that, you know,
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you cannot get away with this.
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So he went on
basically a no fat diet,
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he might have had
a few nuts a week,
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but pretty much no fat diet.
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Then we talked about movement
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and modified movements
as he couldn't go very fast,
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but we had to do everything.
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We talked about the
rest, all these other things.
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Then we talked about
all the stress on the body.
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And guess what?
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He gradually began to walk more,
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he started to grow
some new blood vessels,
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his arteries were able to
dilate a little bit better,
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even though it
had lots of fat in it.
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So he started to
improve his symptoms.
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And he started working on stress
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from all of these different
problems he was having.
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So it is possible to
reverse cardiovascular disease
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to slow it down.
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Now, a lot of the
guys that have done
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the research on this don't work
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with the typical
person that I do.
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See you remember... How's that?
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Because they
work with just people
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with they come to
them highly motivated.
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Okay, they get the ones
that have a real problem
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that they wanna...
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They wanna do it.
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I work with all comers.
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Some people say, "No, I
don't wanna do anything,
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you know, I'd rather do this
and die a little bit younger."
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And that's okay.
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Okay, but I tell them,
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it's okay as long as
you have Jesus in your life,
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you know, because you
wanna have some hope here,
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and some people
choose not to do that,
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but a lot of people say,
"No, I'm willing to do it."
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And most people if we
move one step at a time,
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and you loving them
take into the right step,
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most people can
do at least something
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to improve their health.
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And a lot of this,
you know, a lot of,
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some of my thinking
changed dramatically
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when we were able to
sequence the human genome,
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really, the DNA is
in charge of everything,
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what turns on and off the DNA?
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And I think of the
DNA as our hardware,
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okay?
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And all of the
stuff, their lifestyle,
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the stresses of
life, that's the software,
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we can have good
software and bad software.
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The bad software can
mess up our core DNA,
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damage it causing
disease to occur sooner than
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it might normally
then we get the symptoms,
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then we reach
for modern medicine
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to treat the symptoms,
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but sometimes we never take time
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to get at the cause.
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And that's what
disease reversal is all about.
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Trying to get people back
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at the cause of
disease if we can,
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using modern
medicine when appropriately,
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and letting them also know
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that there's a God in
heaven that gives hope for today
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and hope forever.
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It sounds like
your Wall Street patient
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was very motivated.
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And you had some
success treating him
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with a holistic
plan, not just nutrition,
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not just exercise, or
quitting certain habits.
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Yeah.
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But he was willing
to do a holistic plan.
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And we've progressed now
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to the step that he's decided
that the stress of the job
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is not too good for him.
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So he's gonna quit the job.
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And I'm trying to
focus now on belief systems,
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you know, he's not
from a spiritual base thing.
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He doesn't think about God.
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But the next step
would be convincing him
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and showing everyone
likes evidence, Nick,
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and we call this evidence
that this can reverse it.
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So now I'm gonna
eventually introduce him
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to how worship
changes our epigenetics,
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how this changes the
way genes are expressed,
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and eventually introduced
him to biblical prescriptions
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to slow down aging,
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and perhaps
reverse the disease he has.
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Is everyone reversible?
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No, they're not, okay?
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I have some
people that their genes
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are just too strong to reverse,
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but I've also noticed
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that genetic
activation changes in life.
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It seems like men
start to age dramatically
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when their
testosterone drops, okay?
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About the mid 50s.
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Women seem to start really
aging faster about 10 years
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after menopause.
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And that's when the body starts
to age, things start to happen.
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And that's, you know,
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but we wanna start
anti-aging techniques
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in our younger years.
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You know, I want
you to do it now.
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So you don't
have gene expressions
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and symptoms at an early age.
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But it's hard to
get people to understand
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that even though you
look good on the outside,
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there's things
going on the inside
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that are eventually
gonna catch up with you.
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Right. Yeah.
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And it's hard to convince them
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of that until
they have a symptom.
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So disease
reversal is about you know,
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turning things
off as long as we can,
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letting everyone know basically,
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we all have bad genes,
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ultimately, well,
we all need a savior.
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And we wanna
work on the software
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that doesn't
turn on the hardware
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before we need to
have it turned on.
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That's right.
Does that make sense?
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Yeah, absolutely.
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So with this,
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I'm starting, I
decided, "Well, you know,
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I've been doing this
for a long time now."
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It's time to put all
the knowledge together,
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both the place
for modern medicine,
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the place for lifestyle,
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and all the things
that I learned in visiting,
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you know, like
Caldwell Esselstyn,
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T. Colin Campbell,
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the people that work
on the mind-body things,
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it's time to put
this all in a book.
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So I'm working on
probably my last book,
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and it's gonna be
called More Control Less Fear
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Reversing Cardiovascular Disease
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One Step at a Time.
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So I'm working on that.
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It's sort of
gonna be my last book
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that I think I write,
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and it's gonna sort of
bring all of this together
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and we're gonna be
able to give it to patients
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that here it is, you know,
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you don't have to cap
20 visits to the doctor.
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Here, 20 visits all at one time,
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take it and use
this as a manual.
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In it though I'm
also gonna talk about
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the spiritual side subtly.
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And let them decide
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where God would
take them with all that.
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Yeah.
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So you're really
trying to take the message
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that a lot of us have
grown up within the church,
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and really share this
with a broader audience,
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your patients and
folks at the hospital
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that may otherwise not hear it.
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Yeah.
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So I want to ask,
you know, prayer for this
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'cause it does
take a little time
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and I haven't
been able to cut down
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on the normal practice.
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So, you know, I work
60 hours a week and...
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With the
Chattanooga Heart Institute,
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and there's so many
people that need help acutely,
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that need to sort through
all this and one thing that's,
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you know, after
practicing for so many years,
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you see just about everything.
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Right.
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And you sort of can
help people move them
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to where they need to go.
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So they don't
have a lot of fear.
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A lot of people
the fear of the disease
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is sometimes the
chemistry of fear
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and worry is sometimes worse
than having it many instances.
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So there's an art
to knowing, you know,
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how to present things, you know,
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I had a patient the
other day that had an aneurysm.
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Well, when you
say the word aneurysm,
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people get really scared.
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Yeah. Okay.
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But if you say a
dilatation of a blood vessel,
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that's a little nicer way.
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And we'll keep an eye on that.
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It's not to the stage
where I think it's dangerous,
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but it's a stage
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where we need to
keep an eye on it.
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And now our technology,
Nick, is so advanced,
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that we find out a lot
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of what I call
incidental findings.
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We find things that
are wrong in the body,
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but it's no consequence.
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And sometimes
we'll find a disease
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that will sit quiet
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and someone else will
die from something else.
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After doing this
for so many years
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the patients that I started
with nearly 30 years ago now
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are in their 90s now,
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they don't usually
die of heart disease,
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even though they
have it, they die of fall.
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Right.
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I'd say more people die
of fall in the advanced ages
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than anything else.
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Their balance gets worse.
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They try to do
things they shouldn't do.
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Their muscles and bones
get weak, they fall down,
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and they bonk their
head, they break something.
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And even though
they have heart disease
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or some other chronic condition,
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that doesn't get
them, the fall does.
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And it seems like I
can't convince people
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of the dangers of falling down
as much as these other things.
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But, you know,
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but it's very
interesting as the body ages,
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which part malfunctions
first, and hopefully,
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we have our viewers out
there that this will help them
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at least learn
how to be more careful
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if you're older
about falling down.
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Make sure you get up slower.
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Make sure you have
something to hold on to.
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Don't be too proud.
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Don't be doing dangerous thing
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like my nine-year old
that got up on the roof
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to clean his gutters
and fell off the roof
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or going down stairs
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where you probably
should take the elevator.
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You know, be smart
about things, you know,
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'cause sometimes less is more.
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Yeah, well, we're gonna
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