Shortness of breath, fatigue, swelling in your legs, 00:00:14.64\00:00:18.38 ankles and feet, 00:00:18.41\00:00:19.78 and a rapid or irregular heartbeat 00:00:19.81\00:00:21.85 are just a few of the symptoms that might indicate 00:00:21.88\00:00:24.52 an issue with your heart. 00:00:24.55\00:00:26.12 Stay with us, and learn more about 00:00:26.15\00:00:27.79 how doctors diagnose a weak heart today 00:00:27.82\00:00:30.43 on the Ultimate Prescription. 00:00:30.46\00:00:31.79 Welcome to the Ultimate Prescription. 00:00:53.28\00:00:54.68 I'm your host Nick Evenson, here with Dr. James Marcum, 00:00:54.72\00:00:57.69 Speaker and Director of Heartwise Ministries 00:00:57.72\00:01:00.02 and practicing physician, 00:01:00.06\00:01:01.99 Cardiologist with Chattanooga Heart. 00:01:02.02\00:01:03.36 Yes. 00:01:03.39\00:01:04.73 Dr. Marcum, welcome to the program. 00:01:04.76\00:01:06.09 Well, thank you, Nick. 00:01:06.13\00:01:07.46 And we have a very interesting and important topic today. 00:01:07.50\00:01:11.27 We're gonna be talking about weak hearts. 00:01:11.30\00:01:14.34 But before we explore that, in general, you know, 00:01:14.37\00:01:17.77 in a short period of time, 00:01:17.81\00:01:19.31 it's hard to get anything into in depth. 00:01:19.34\00:01:22.38 But we just wanna give broad brushstroke 00:01:22.41\00:01:25.55 so people can understand their health is important 00:01:25.58\00:01:28.65 little things that we can do to get more information. 00:01:28.68\00:01:31.55 And if nothing else, 00:01:31.59\00:01:32.92 we can always go to the website, 00:01:32.95\00:01:34.72 HeartWiseMinistries.org 00:01:34.76\00:01:37.09 and ask our specific questions. 00:01:37.13\00:01:38.56 That's right. 00:01:38.59\00:01:39.93 We have a number of resources there, 00:01:39.96\00:01:41.36 health articles, radio program, television programs. 00:01:41.40\00:01:44.83 We also have an app that there's information 00:01:44.87\00:01:46.77 on the website that you can find out about 00:01:46.80\00:01:48.14 to find daily worship routines that you can take part in, 00:01:48.17\00:01:51.31 and we just wanna help people learn 00:01:51.34\00:01:53.64 where they can find good advice, 00:01:53.68\00:01:55.54 where they can get more connected 00:01:55.58\00:01:56.91 with our Creator and live more in harmony 00:01:56.95\00:01:58.78 with God's design for our lives. 00:01:58.81\00:02:00.28 Yeah, and unfortunately, every day, 00:02:00.32\00:02:02.98 all of us get a little bit older, 00:02:03.02\00:02:05.42 more chance that our parts might malfunction, 00:02:05.45\00:02:08.19 develop a symptom like you talked about. 00:02:08.22\00:02:10.93 And then we need help. 00:02:10.96\00:02:12.33 But I wanna focus a little bit on it's very important 00:02:12.36\00:02:15.06 that as we go through life, we understand the reason why. 00:02:15.10\00:02:19.70 Right. 00:02:19.73\00:02:21.07 Do you ever ask yourself that question, why? 00:02:21.10\00:02:22.60 Yeah, yeah, sure do. 00:02:22.64\00:02:23.97 Now people like scientists, explorers, doctors, 00:02:24.01\00:02:26.91 theologians, everyone, 00:02:26.94\00:02:29.31 that's a key question 00:02:29.34\00:02:30.68 'cause if you understand the reason why, 00:02:30.71\00:02:33.38 you're more likely to have a successful solution. 00:02:33.42\00:02:36.55 So if a person comes in with high blood pressure 00:02:36.58\00:02:39.42 or high blood pressure is a number. 00:02:39.45\00:02:41.42 I wanna know why the blood pressure is high. 00:02:41.46\00:02:43.83 Right. Is it 'cause of stress? 00:02:43.86\00:02:46.13 Is it too much salt in the diet? 00:02:46.16\00:02:48.76 Is it because of lack of exercise? 00:02:48.80\00:02:51.17 Is there a problem with stress on the body 00:02:51.20\00:02:53.50 causing to be high like sleep apnea, 00:02:53.54\00:02:56.10 problems with the kidney, problems with the thyroid? 00:02:56.14\00:02:58.61 Why is important? 00:02:58.64\00:03:01.08 Someone carries extra weight, okay? 00:03:01.11\00:03:03.28 And they wanna lose weight. 00:03:03.31\00:03:04.65 Well, I wanna say that, 00:03:04.68\00:03:06.01 "Well, why do they carry extra weight?" 00:03:06.05\00:03:07.48 Is it a metabolic problem? 00:03:07.52\00:03:09.62 Is a problem of too much calories? 00:03:09.65\00:03:11.35 Understanding the reason why is very important. 00:03:11.39\00:03:13.89 Right, right. 00:03:13.92\00:03:15.26 So when it comes to weak hearts, 00:03:15.29\00:03:16.69 you're saying, 00:03:16.73\00:03:18.06 we need to not just treat the symptoms, 00:03:18.09\00:03:19.69 not just take a pill, but really figure out 00:03:19.73\00:03:21.73 what's going on 00:03:21.76\00:03:23.10 and treat the underlying cause of the problem? 00:03:23.13\00:03:25.17 And that goes with really every problem in life, 00:03:25.20\00:03:27.67 you know, you have a relationship problem. 00:03:27.70\00:03:29.40 Well, you wanna know 00:03:29.44\00:03:30.77 why you have a relationship problem, 00:03:30.81\00:03:32.71 whether that be with a friend, a spouse, a loved one, a doc... 00:03:32.74\00:03:36.04 Well, why do we have the problem? 00:03:36.08\00:03:38.21 'Cause if we can understand why, 00:03:38.25\00:03:40.12 we can get at the core of existence. 00:03:40.15\00:03:41.55 Right. 00:03:41.58\00:03:42.92 So if you think about that for a second, 00:03:42.95\00:03:45.12 you know, we've talked a lot about... 00:03:45.15\00:03:47.09 And I'm very interested in genetics. 00:03:47.12\00:03:49.29 Okay, we call that genomic medicine. 00:03:49.32\00:03:51.59 Why does our DNA get old? Why does it mutate? 00:03:51.63\00:03:54.73 Why do we have disease in the first place, you know? 00:03:54.76\00:03:58.50 Because we have bad genes, okay? 00:03:58.53\00:04:00.64 Well, why do we have bad genes? 00:04:00.67\00:04:03.07 You know, why do we have bad genes? 00:04:03.10\00:04:04.87 Because we've reproduced 00:04:04.91\00:04:06.24 from parents that had bad genes. 00:04:06.27\00:04:07.61 So it goes back far enough. 00:04:07.64\00:04:08.98 And it ultimately it gets back to well, 00:04:09.01\00:04:11.41 who had perfect genetics? 00:04:11.45\00:04:13.68 Adam and Eve, right? God's original creation. 00:04:13.72\00:04:15.98 Until they put stress on those genes 00:04:16.02\00:04:18.32 by turning away from God, then the mutation started, 00:04:18.35\00:04:22.16 and then eventually, 00:04:22.19\00:04:23.53 we started to have more and more problems, right? 00:04:23.56\00:04:24.89 Right. 00:04:24.93\00:04:26.26 So understanding the reason why it's very important. 00:04:26.29\00:04:28.03 Yeah, not something we can undervalue. 00:04:28.06\00:04:30.10 You know, too often, we just want the easy route. 00:04:30.13\00:04:33.10 As patients, we want the easy route. 00:04:33.13\00:04:34.60 We don't wanna necessarily do the hard work sometimes, 00:04:34.64\00:04:37.24 but sometimes the hard work is necessary. 00:04:37.27\00:04:39.07 Now what's difficult is my son, Jake, was Jake and Kelly. 00:04:39.11\00:04:43.91 And they always ask why? Why? Why? 00:04:43.95\00:04:46.78 Oh, yeah. Why? 00:04:46.82\00:04:48.15 It's like the first thing out of their mouth. 00:04:48.18\00:04:49.52 Why? Why? Yeah. 00:04:49.55\00:04:50.89 But as we get older, 00:04:50.92\00:04:52.25 I don't think we asked that question as much. 00:04:52.29\00:04:54.32 We accept things. This is the way things are. 00:04:54.36\00:04:57.13 I'm not gonna ask why. Why is that world broken? 00:04:57.16\00:05:01.00 You know, why is this going on? 00:05:01.03\00:05:02.63 Because, you know, it's tough to ask, 00:05:02.66\00:05:04.97 to answer those questions. 00:05:05.00\00:05:06.57 So we're gonna understand the reason why, 00:05:06.60\00:05:08.70 why heart is weak. 00:05:08.74\00:05:10.07 Yeah. 00:05:10.11\00:05:11.44 So let's start with heart failure. 00:05:11.47\00:05:12.81 Yeah. What does heart failure mean? 00:05:12.84\00:05:14.38 Well, heart failure just means just what it says. 00:05:14.41\00:05:17.61 The heart is not doing its job. It's failing, okay? 00:05:17.65\00:05:21.65 Just like if you were sitting there, Nick, 00:05:21.68\00:05:23.85 and all of a sudden you quit talking. 00:05:23.89\00:05:25.65 And, you know, didn't do anything. 00:05:25.69\00:05:27.29 I'd say this is Nick failure. Nick failure. 00:05:27.32\00:05:29.26 Yeah. Let's not do that. 00:05:29.29\00:05:30.79 We don't want Nick failure. 00:05:30.83\00:05:32.36 If the people that are operating 00:05:32.39\00:05:33.73 the sound and the cameras, 00:05:33.76\00:05:35.10 if all of a sudden everything went black, 00:05:35.13\00:05:36.46 I would say, "This is production failure." 00:05:36.50\00:05:38.40 Right. Right. 00:05:38.43\00:05:39.77 So all it means is the heart failure. 00:05:39.80\00:05:41.97 Does this tell us why? Tells me nothing about why? 00:05:42.00\00:05:45.01 Got it. 00:05:45.04\00:05:46.37 But the heart is not doing its job, okay? 00:05:46.41\00:05:48.78 Just like if you quit doing your job, 00:05:48.81\00:05:51.25 I would say, "Well, you quit doing it, but why?" 00:05:51.28\00:05:53.05 You know, is he sick in his stomach, 00:05:53.08\00:05:54.78 you know, does the mind go blank? 00:05:54.82\00:05:56.15 Did he eat too much for lunch? Does he feeling bad? 00:05:56.18\00:05:58.55 Is he having pain? Why? Well, that's what I... 00:05:58.59\00:06:00.62 The approach we take with the heart. 00:06:00.66\00:06:02.39 So what heart failure 00:06:02.42\00:06:03.76 is the heart's not doing its job. 00:06:03.79\00:06:06.33 When it doesn't do its job, the organs malfunction, right? 00:06:06.36\00:06:09.40 'Cause the heart is in charge of getting oxygen, 00:06:09.43\00:06:11.73 nutrients of blood, 00:06:11.77\00:06:13.10 and different organs might malfunction. 00:06:13.13\00:06:14.70 So we might have a symptom first, 00:06:14.74\00:06:16.71 like shortness of breath, swelling, palpitations, 00:06:16.74\00:06:20.38 kidneys not working as well, 00:06:20.41\00:06:21.98 fatigue that just means the heart's not doing its job. 00:06:22.01\00:06:25.61 Sometimes, when we say the word heart failure, 00:06:25.65\00:06:28.18 because it's not pumping enough blood, 00:06:28.22\00:06:30.45 that's the strength of the heart, 00:06:30.49\00:06:32.25 the strength of heart goes down, 00:06:32.29\00:06:33.66 it malfunctions 'cause it's not as strong 00:06:33.69\00:06:35.79 as it should be, right? 00:06:35.82\00:06:37.49 The other time is sometimes it's perfectly strong, 00:06:37.53\00:06:40.30 but it doesn't know how to relax, okay? 00:06:40.33\00:06:43.60 It's a stiff heart. Right. 00:06:43.63\00:06:45.47 You know, everything gets stiff if it's not used. 00:06:45.50\00:06:48.20 So sometimes hearts even though they're strong, they get stiff, 00:06:48.24\00:06:51.97 they lose efficiency, and pressure backs up 00:06:52.01\00:06:54.88 and you can have a completely normal strength of the heart, 00:06:54.91\00:06:57.75 but it malfunctions because it's too stiff 00:06:57.78\00:07:00.22 or it's going too fast. 00:07:00.25\00:07:01.58 If you have a fast heart rhythm 300 beats a minute, 00:07:01.62\00:07:03.89 200 beats a minute, right? 00:07:03.92\00:07:05.52 The heart's strong enough, but it's not efficient. 00:07:05.55\00:07:08.02 Right. 00:07:08.06\00:07:09.39 And then it so it can't pump blood the way 00:07:09.42\00:07:11.19 even though it's perfectly strong. 00:07:11.23\00:07:12.76 So that makes sense to you? 00:07:12.79\00:07:14.13 Yeah. So we got that. 00:07:14.16\00:07:15.50 We understand why something's occurring. 00:07:15.53\00:07:17.77 And heart failure... 00:07:17.80\00:07:19.13 This means the heart's not doing its job. 00:07:19.17\00:07:20.60 Yeah. 00:07:20.64\00:07:21.97 So once a person comes with those symptoms, 00:07:22.00\00:07:24.21 and I say, "Wow, they have heart failure." 00:07:24.24\00:07:26.01 Then we start understanding why. 00:07:26.04\00:07:28.08 And that takes us to testing. Yeah. 00:07:28.11\00:07:30.15 Now a couple of years ago, 00:07:30.18\00:07:31.51 I had the opportunity to come to your office, 00:07:31.55\00:07:33.18 and we discussed a little bit 00:07:33.21\00:07:34.72 about how you diagnose heart failure. 00:07:34.75\00:07:36.85 Let's take a look at the clip from that visit, 00:07:36.89\00:07:38.95 and you can talk through some of the visits 00:07:38.99\00:07:40.32 that you diagnose. 00:07:40.36\00:07:41.69 Most of these tests that we use, 00:07:41.72\00:07:43.06 this is an echocardiogram, 00:07:43.09\00:07:44.43 it shows the heart beating, and the valves opening, 00:07:44.46\00:07:46.49 and that would tell us if the heart's weak, 00:07:46.53\00:07:48.56 if the valves might be clogged. 00:07:48.60\00:07:49.96 This is an electrocardiogram. 00:07:50.00\00:07:51.93 It looks at the electrical system of the heart 00:07:51.97\00:07:54.24 that might give us clues 00:07:54.27\00:07:55.77 to if the hearts going slow or fast. 00:07:55.80\00:07:59.21 There's others tests that we can use, 00:07:59.24\00:08:01.11 we can look and see if the hearts enlarged 00:08:01.14\00:08:03.38 or if there's fluid in the lungs, 00:08:03.41\00:08:05.25 that would give us a clue. 00:08:05.28\00:08:06.61 And here I am looking at a pacemaker 00:08:06.65\00:08:08.68 seeing whether the pacemaker might not be working. 00:08:08.72\00:08:10.49 Right. 00:08:10.52\00:08:11.85 There's the heart's going too slow, 00:08:11.89\00:08:13.22 it can't pump well, 00:08:13.25\00:08:14.69 that's a reason that the heart might fail 00:08:14.72\00:08:16.79 and the rhythm's too slow. 00:08:16.83\00:08:18.49 This is a nuclear stress test it looks to see 00:08:18.53\00:08:21.10 if the arteries might be causing it. 00:08:21.13\00:08:23.06 This is probably the most common cause of heart failure 00:08:23.10\00:08:25.80 is the arteries become blocked, 00:08:25.83\00:08:27.90 they don't work well, 00:08:27.94\00:08:29.37 we don't get enough oxygen through it. 00:08:29.40\00:08:31.71 So we want to know if that's the reason for heart failure. 00:08:31.74\00:08:34.94 We have fancy nuclear test, 00:08:34.98\00:08:36.81 we actually can see how much the heart squeezes 00:08:36.85\00:08:39.78 in every segment of the heart so we can diagnose exactly 00:08:39.81\00:08:42.98 which artery might be causing the problem 00:08:43.02\00:08:45.82 or which artery might be contributed to heart failure. 00:08:45.85\00:08:48.22 So there are many different reasons. 00:08:48.26\00:08:49.72 these are just a few of them. 00:08:49.76\00:08:51.33 We have more besides that, we got angiograms. 00:08:51.36\00:08:54.16 We have CAT scans, we've PET scans, 00:08:54.20\00:08:57.07 we've MRIs. 00:08:57.10\00:08:58.83 Sometimes we can actually do a biopsy of the heart 00:08:58.87\00:09:01.80 to see if the heart might have 00:09:01.84\00:09:03.17 some type of disease in the heart. 00:09:03.20\00:09:05.17 And there are certain conditions 00:09:05.21\00:09:06.54 like amyloid, 00:09:06.57\00:09:07.91 sarcoidosis that these diseases 00:09:07.94\00:09:10.41 have infiltrated the heart 00:09:10.45\00:09:12.01 and made the heart not function leading to heart failure. 00:09:12.05\00:09:15.25 So there's many different diagnostic tools 00:09:15.28\00:09:18.09 to look why a heart might be weak 00:09:18.12\00:09:20.86 and leading to heart failure. 00:09:20.89\00:09:23.29 Now you've already covered some of what causes a weak heart. 00:09:23.32\00:09:26.03 You mentioned rabbit heartbeats and things like that. 00:09:26.06\00:09:28.56 But what are some of the common things 00:09:28.60\00:09:29.93 we need to know about causation for a weak heart? 00:09:29.96\00:09:32.83 So if a person comes in, and they've had heart failure. 00:09:32.87\00:09:36.20 Let's say they're in the hospital. 00:09:36.24\00:09:37.57 And they had a symptom. 00:09:37.61\00:09:38.94 And we say, "Well, the heart wasn't working well." 00:09:38.97\00:09:40.88 And one of the most common ways we measure 00:09:40.91\00:09:42.88 it is fluid in the lungs, okay? 00:09:42.91\00:09:45.38 Fluid backup, we have a measurement 00:09:45.41\00:09:46.92 we can do called a proBNP 00:09:46.95\00:09:49.55 which is a hormone that goes up 00:09:49.58\00:09:51.35 when the heart's malfunctioning. 00:09:51.39\00:09:53.09 So we had that diagnosis that, 00:09:53.12\00:09:54.89 yes, you indeed have heart failure. 00:09:54.92\00:09:56.56 So the heart condition actually causes this BND... 00:09:56.59\00:10:00.26 proBNP, it's a hormone to go up in the bloodstream. 00:10:00.30\00:10:03.77 And that causes fluid in the lungs because... 00:10:03.80\00:10:05.37 No, it's a marker of heart failure. 00:10:05.40\00:10:07.17 Okay. Okay. 00:10:07.20\00:10:08.54 Now when fluid gets in the lung, 00:10:08.57\00:10:09.90 that's a marker that the heart's not doing its job 00:10:09.94\00:10:11.81 'cause normally fluid should not get in the lung. 00:10:11.84\00:10:13.24 Right. Fluid should be pumped out of the body. Right. 00:10:13.27\00:10:14.61 But when fluid backs up in the lungs, in the legs, 00:10:14.64\00:10:19.58 you know that could be a sign 00:10:19.61\00:10:21.18 that you're developing heart failure. 00:10:21.22\00:10:22.85 Just basically a sign of the circular system, 00:10:22.88\00:10:24.82 just not doing the job. 00:10:24.85\00:10:26.19 Malfunctioning, right? Malfunctioning. 00:10:26.22\00:10:27.82 If we have kidneys that are failing, 00:10:27.86\00:10:29.52 if we have no energy, those are all signs 00:10:29.56\00:10:31.73 that the hearts getting weaker, 00:10:31.76\00:10:33.09 and sometimes it can lead to failure. 00:10:33.13\00:10:34.76 One of the markers that go up sort of clue us, 00:10:34.80\00:10:38.17 when a heart failure makes one of these pro BNP. 00:10:38.20\00:10:41.07 So these are all clues. 00:10:41.10\00:10:42.44 It tells me, "Yes, you do have heart failure." 00:10:42.47\00:10:44.44 'Cause sometimes people have symptoms, 00:10:44.47\00:10:46.27 shortness of breath, tired 00:10:46.31\00:10:47.64 that are unrelated to heart failure. 00:10:47.68\00:10:49.01 Right. 00:10:49.04\00:10:50.38 And we wanna check that one off the list, right? 00:10:50.41\00:10:52.38 So once you have it, 00:10:52.41\00:10:54.05 then we do these diagnostic tests, 00:10:54.08\00:10:55.98 and then we say, "Well, I go through the list. 00:10:56.02\00:10:57.69 Well, we determined it's the heart. 00:10:57.72\00:10:59.82 What are the many causes of it? 00:10:59.85\00:11:01.92 And we talked about these before." 00:11:01.96\00:11:04.03 Probably the most common cause of a weak heart 00:11:04.06\00:11:07.20 are blockages in the arteries. 00:11:07.23\00:11:09.06 Fat gets in the arteries. They get clogged up. 00:11:09.10\00:11:11.93 If that's the case, we wanna help the arteries 00:11:11.97\00:11:14.27 as much as we could, if possible a bypass surgery, 00:11:14.30\00:11:17.61 if possible stents, 00:11:17.64\00:11:19.31 medicines that make the heart not have to work as hard, 00:11:19.34\00:11:22.81 different things that would help 00:11:22.84\00:11:24.18 if they had blockages in the arteries. 00:11:24.21\00:11:25.95 We've talked about rhythms going too slow, 00:11:25.98\00:11:28.08 that could lead to heart failure. 00:11:28.12\00:11:29.88 Rhythms going too fast 00:11:29.92\00:11:31.52 the electrical system could cause heart failure. 00:11:31.55\00:11:34.16 Remember, the heart muscles fine, 00:11:34.19\00:11:35.86 but the electrical system is messed up. 00:11:35.89\00:11:38.06 The valves of the heart malfunction 00:11:38.09\00:11:41.03 that could lead to heart failure. 00:11:41.06\00:11:42.73 The echocardiogram usually tells us that. 00:11:42.76\00:11:45.50 Sometimes it can be just stress in general, 00:11:45.53\00:11:48.20 we have too much stress in our life. 00:11:48.24\00:11:49.80 We call that the broken heart syndrome, 00:11:49.84\00:11:52.71 you know that can cause it. 00:11:52.74\00:11:54.31 And we just... 00:11:54.34\00:11:55.68 We would measure that by looking at everything 00:11:55.71\00:11:57.48 and we see that frequently in females 00:11:57.51\00:12:00.35 that have sudden stress usually, the loss of life, 00:12:00.38\00:12:04.22 you know, the grief sometimes. 00:12:04.25\00:12:06.22 Sometimes it could be hormones that cause it. 00:12:06.25\00:12:08.69 Sometimes the thyroid can be too low, 00:12:08.72\00:12:11.13 that can lead to heart failure. 00:12:11.16\00:12:13.13 Sometimes infections can cause inflammation. 00:12:13.16\00:12:16.03 You know, how sometimes when you get the flu, 00:12:16.06\00:12:18.13 your muscles get weak? 00:12:18.17\00:12:19.83 Well, sometimes in genetically predisposed heart, 00:12:19.87\00:12:22.94 the heart can get weak as well. 00:12:22.97\00:12:25.37 Sometimes other diseases can also affect the heart. 00:12:25.41\00:12:28.18 Sometimes it can be medicines like chemotherapy 00:12:28.21\00:12:30.88 or certain medications can make a heart weak. 00:12:30.91\00:12:33.58 So once we diagnose heart failure, 00:12:33.62\00:12:36.15 we start looking at the tests 00:12:36.18\00:12:37.52 because we want to understand the reason why? 00:12:37.55\00:12:41.12 And these are just a few of the many different 00:12:41.16\00:12:43.36 causes that can look nutritional deficiencies, 00:12:43.39\00:12:47.53 lots of things can make and we base it on a history 00:12:47.56\00:12:50.37 physical in our initial diagnostic test 00:12:50.40\00:12:52.87 to determine what might be the cause 00:12:52.90\00:12:55.37 if we can get cause 00:12:55.40\00:12:56.84 treatment's going to be much more successful. 00:12:56.87\00:12:59.07 Now sometimes we never find out the reason why. 00:12:59.11\00:13:01.84 And that's usually a genetics remote infection. 00:13:01.88\00:13:04.85 And we call that a weak heart. 00:13:04.88\00:13:07.38 We don't know why. Yeah. 00:13:07.42\00:13:08.98 So it sounds like a lot of times the quick fix 00:13:09.02\00:13:12.39 for emergency care will be a procedure, 00:13:12.42\00:13:14.66 but then you really get down to the reason why. 00:13:14.69\00:13:16.52 And that often comes down 00:13:16.56\00:13:17.89 to either genes or lifestyle choices. 00:13:17.93\00:13:20.16 Is that way? Well, not necessarily. 00:13:20.20\00:13:22.03 It could be a genetic problem. Right. 00:13:22.06\00:13:24.27 It could be a part just wearing out of the body. 00:13:24.30\00:13:27.57 It could be an infection of the heart. 00:13:27.60\00:13:29.27 It could be someone was experimenting 00:13:29.30\00:13:31.11 with medications they shouldn't be. 00:13:31.14\00:13:33.07 It could be a nutritional deficiency. 00:13:33.11\00:13:35.74 It could be lots of different things, 00:13:35.78\00:13:37.58 including what you said. 00:13:37.61\00:13:38.95 So everything, it's sort of like 00:13:38.98\00:13:40.35 when you look at weak hearts, 00:13:40.38\00:13:41.88 you almost like an investigator, 00:13:41.92\00:13:44.19 you wanna understand the reason 00:13:44.22\00:13:45.72 why so you got to get looking 00:13:45.75\00:13:47.09 'cause if you understand why treatment 00:13:47.12\00:13:49.09 becomes much more successful. 00:13:49.12\00:13:51.23 All right, we're gonna talk about 00:13:51.26\00:13:52.79 more about treatments in just a moment. 00:13:52.83\00:13:54.33 So stay with us here on the Ultimate Prescription. 00:13:54.36\00:13:56.30 We will be back right after the break. 00:13:56.33\00:13:57.83