Welcome back to the
Ultimate Prescription.
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I'm your host, Nick Evenson.
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And today we're
talking with Dr. Marcum
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about coronary artery disease.
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Dr. Marcum? Yeah.
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We've talked about how
coronaries are the arteries
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that feed the
heart, the nourishment.
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Remember these blood vessels
go all throughout the body,
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but the heart's
the one that pumps,
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supplies all the nutrients
and everything we need.
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When these arteries get damaged
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either from a clogged up
or a clot in them or whatever,
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it's a medical emergency.
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And if a personnel know
they have an medical emergency
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'cause he have a symptom.
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Something doesn't feel right.
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You gotta get help right away.
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So don't sit at home, say,
"Oh, I have some heart burn.
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Oh, this is not a big deal.
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Oh, I pulled a muscle." Right.
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If you can't
explain it, you gotta...
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I, in my opinion
you have to assume
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it's a heart attack
until you prove it's not.
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Since it's a
number one cause of death,
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and if it's one of
these little plaques
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that we talked about previously,
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becoming unstable and rupturing,
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you could have sudden death
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if you don't get
treated right away.
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Right.
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So it's a medical emergency,
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we've to call 911,
we can't ignore them.
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So we've got a video
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that we'd like to take a look at
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and have you
comment on, Dr. Marcum,
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of a heart attack and a stent.
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Let's take a took
at that and tell us
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what's going on here?
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Well, this person
has had a heart attack.
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He has gone to the hospital,
he needs help right away.
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And you can see the
part, it's turning dark,
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that's the part it's
not getting enough blood.
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And if they don't do
something very quickly,
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the heart's gonna have damage.
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So here is, a
stent being placed,
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the blockage is up there,
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we can see the
stent which is metal,
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squishing the
blockage and the plaque
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and then we
remove the catheter there
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and there we've a stent
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restoring blood
flow to the heart.
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That's one treatment of acute.
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Now sometimes it
doesn't work out so well,
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we've to get bypass
around the blockages.
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And this is a team
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that's actually
doing bypass surgery,
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where if there's blockages
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we can't put a
stent in for whatever
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and we're doing
emergency bypass,
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we're taking one blood vessel
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and bringing
itself to the blockage
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to restore
nourishment to the heart,
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so the heart can pump better,
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so it can get blood to
every organ in the body.
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So acute care of
hearts is a medical emergency,
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it's something
that modern medicine
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does very well, Nick.
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Yeah.
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Modern medicine is great
for treating emergencies.
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If I'm having an heart
attack, I won't have a stent.
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Absolutely, yeah.
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You know, if I
can't walk across a room
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'cause I'm so clogged up, I
wanna have a bypass surgery.
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My heart's going too
slow, I want a pacemaker.
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If I have a bleeding
spell, give me some blood.
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You know, if, you know
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so modern medicine is
great for acute emergencies.
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Right.
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Not so good about
preventing chronic disease,
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and definitely not
great at fixing bad genetics.
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And we've talked
about this thing,
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the only thing that
can fix bad genes is Jesus.
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But we can maybe slowdown
the expression with lifestyle
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and then we can know
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when we're in an
emergency situation,
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what to do?
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And when there's a
place for modern medicine.
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'Cause some people
can do everything perfect
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and still have
these bad things happen,
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still need a stent.
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So that's why not only
focus on the acute care,
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but down the road we say,
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"Well, what could have
caused this to happen?"
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So when a chronic
situation like that, let's talk,
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what are the top few
things that you will tell people
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that they need to
be looking at doing
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in a chronic situation
where they have an issue?
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Okay.
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So what do you from,
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person's having
symptoms or no symptoms at all
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or already had the event?
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So let's say, they
already had an event.
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Okay.
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What would you
recommend for that?
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So let's say, you've
had a bypass surgery,
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and I've had bypass surgeries
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in 20 year olds, 30
year olds, 40 year olds.
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So when they come back, I said,
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"Well, the first thing
we do is treat the symptom."
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And we treat the
symptoms with modern medicines,
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stents, bypass, medications.
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Then I have to
convince that person.
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For you instance I
said, you know, Nick,
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we treated the
symptom but not the cause.
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And then you get curious,
well, what could cause it?
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Well, I might ask
you about your genetics,
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and you say, "Well,
my dad had a heart attack
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when he was very young."
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I said, "Well,
you're predisposed
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to having damage
to your arteries,
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they are aging quicker.
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What can we do
to slow down aging?
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What can we
slowdown to putting these fat
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which can trigger
these heart attacks
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in the arteries.
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So we might talk
about different stressors
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on the blood
vessels like nutrition.
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We know that fat is damaging
if we take too much fat in.
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So I might say,
Nick, why don't we try
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to turn this
disease off a little bit
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with a plant based diet.
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Okay? Right.
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So I might talk to you
about eating more plants.
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And I said, I'll say,
"You know that ice cream,
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lots of fat,
cheese, lots of fat."
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If you eat more than 10
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to 15% your
calories and your fat,
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and you have
genetics, it stores it.
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Right.
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So I said, so that
could damage your arteries.
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And, Nick, you smoke.
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That's not good, that
can damage your arteries,
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can constrict them,
it can cause damage.
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And, Nick, your
life is too stressful,
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you're worried all the time,
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and you stay up
too late at night
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and you work too hard.
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And all that makes
adrenaline and cortisol
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which dries up
your blood pressure,
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damages the inside
lining, ages them quicker,
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makes you more
susceptible to have aging.
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Have you ever
looked at a president
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before and after he gets office?
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I've seen some
of those pictures.
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Yeah, they get old,
right? They're quite dramatic.
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So any type of
stress can make us,
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our genetics older
including mental stress.
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So I might look
at your life and say,
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"Listen, are
you sleeping enough?
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You've the stress of life
from not sleeping enough."
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A lot of people have stress
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just because they
don't move the body.
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So I would look at,
some people have stress
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because they don't
drink enough water.
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Right.
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So in treating,
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and this would
treat the arteries
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that are already diseased,
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I would say let's do all of this
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and maybe we
can prevent disease.
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I really focus on movement,
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because movement can grow
new blood vessels in the heart.
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It can make the
arteries bigger, okay?
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I would focus on
nutrition, like we talked about
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because that could
actually reverse disease.
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We have studies
that show that people
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that get on plant based diets,
stress reduction, exercise
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depending on their genetics,
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they can get the
plaques out of the arteries.
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So they can lessen their chance
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of having another acute events.
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We talked about oxidation
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and all the things
we do in life that,
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that turns on
this rusting process
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in the body.
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So we'd sort of
look at everything,
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and then I would
sort of pick the thing
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that we'd wanna work on first,
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one step at a time.
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But I'd say,
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but if you ever have a symptom
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you gotta get help right now.
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Right.
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And then let's work
on these and hopefully,
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you have genetics
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that won't keep
this from happening.
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Now lot of people
can't do this, Nick.
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They say, "I can't do
this, I can't do this."
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And I say, "Well, I think
I can help you a little bit.
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You know, let's
focus on the positives."
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And then I would
sort of turn them to...
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There's worship.
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I say, "God gives us
the power to do things
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that we don't think
we can do on our own."
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Yeah.
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You know
sometimes it sounds like,
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just these little things
like drinking enough water,
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it seems like they
kind of unimportant
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but they make a big difference.
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Now you mentioned
plant based nutrition,
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I know that, we've
talked in the past about greens
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and how powerful they can be
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in helping the
cardiovascular system.
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Tell us what's happening
when we are eating greens?
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Greens are probably
one of the best treatments
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for heart disease
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and best ways to
prevent heart disease.
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Greens have very
powerful chemicals,
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you know, and when
they get in the body,
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they make nitrous oxide,
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yeah, converted nitrous oxide
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which makes the arteries bigger,
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it helps, the inside
linings stay healthier
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and it does a
lot of good things.
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So I tell my
heart patients to try
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to eat
something green every day.
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And then they always ask me,
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"Well, what are
the bad things to eat?"
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And I say, "Well you know,
and things that have fat in it,
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cheese not so good,
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ice cream not so good,
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meat, dairy not so good,
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processed foods not so good"
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'cause also
people don't realize...
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Remember, the
arteries that feed the heart
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can be damaged by
high blood pressure.
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If pressure is
high day in day out,
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we get that in a lot of foods
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with sodium in
it, processed foods.
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We get a lot of processed foods,
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lot of sodium, it
damages the vessel,
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the endothelium
makes it more prone
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to have these plaques,
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aging of the artery, oxidation,
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this whole process
occurs again and again.
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The average person only needs
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about 500
milligrams of sodium a day,
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but in America we take as
much as 3500 milligrams a day.
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And depending on your genetics,
it can damage your vessels,
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they wear out.
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When a vessel wears
out, you get a symptom,
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then you go to the
doctor for modern medicine.
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So there's a lot
of lifestyle choices
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that it sounds
like you recommend
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to your patients.
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What would you say is may
be the most important thing
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to help them have
success in changing
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some of these
lifestyle habits of theirs.
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I really think after
doing this for nearly 30 years,
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that the key to health
and lifestyle is worship.
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Because when we come to God,
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He gives us the
power to change things
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for the right reasons.
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He knows our hearts,
He knows how to help us,
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He knows, you know
He wants us to be well.
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Now sometimes He
chooses not to do things,
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but we just got to trust Him,
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you know, for His
will and ask every day.
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So I try to
encourage all my patients
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to get in a worship program,
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where they get God to help them,
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to feel His power in his life.
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And God also gives,
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you know, different
biblical prescriptions
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and texts in the Bible
that could also help us.
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And as they done that, I say,
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"Well, let's work
on one step at a time,
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let's not get
discouraged, you know,
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let's, maybe just
focus on this and this."
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And I'd say, "Let's
not focus on the negatives,
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but the positive
things we can do,
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so we don't have
to use modern medicine
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like we've seen here."
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The coronary disease is
so common in this world.
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You know, certain
animals that never have stress
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or that never have.
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I think about elephants.
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Elephants eat a
plant-based diet,
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they drink a lot of water,
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they're happy all the
time, they're not stressed,
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they get out in the sunshine.
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You know, we don't think
they have heart attacks, right?
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Yeah.
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So we wanna be
more like elephants.
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But we all do have
genetic susceptibilities
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that we have to
pay attention to.
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Yeah.
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Well, we've got a
biblical prescription
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that you've prepared for us.
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So you mention that's
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one of the best
things we can do is,
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is turn to the
scriptures to help us learn
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and be able to follow
God's plan for our life.
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So why don't you
share that with us now?
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Well, a biblical
prescription is something
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that God gives
us in the scriptures
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that we can depend on
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and sometimes there is science,
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you know, it's
not there to prove it.
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But just 'cause
something hasn't been proven
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doesn't mean it's not true.
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But the scripture
is always faithful.
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God tells us there's
some benefit in scripture.
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So I look at the scriptures,
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I try to find the
evidence behind it,
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the science and then
apply this as a prescription,
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something a person can use
to change their physiology.
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So today I like us to
focus on Genesis 1:29,
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"And God said, and God said,
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'See, I have given you
every herb that yields seed
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which is on the
face of all the earth,
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and every tree
whose fruit yields seed,
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to you it shall be
for food or for meat."
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Okay? Yeah.
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It really meant
food in that thing.
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So God has given us
basically plants to eat.
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So plants are good for us, okay?
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And we now have the studies
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that show that people
that eat plant-based diets
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have less evidences of
cardiovascular disease.
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We now have evidence
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that we can
actually reverse this disease
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with plant-based diets.
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And so this is
something that God gave us
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way back long time ago.
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He says, "You listen,
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this is my recommendation to you
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that you eat plants.
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This is the
benefit of eating plants."
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And now we have the evidence
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that eating a plant-based diet
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lowers the risk of
cardiovascular disease.
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It can be used, is not
only to way to prevent disease
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and aging of the body,
but to prevent disease.
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These plants have
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powerful
antioxidants, phytonutrients,
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all good things
that can lower the risk
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of us having coronary
disease that effects the heart.
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Yeah.
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You know, it
reminds me story of Daniel.
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He knew what he was,
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what he was doing
way before our time
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when he asked for
a plant-based diet.
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Yeah. That's fantastic.
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Well, Dr. Marcum,
thank you very much
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for sharing with us today.
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I understand a bit more
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about coronary
artery disease myself,
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and I'm sure our
listeners at home
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will really
appreciate this conversation.
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Where can people go
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when they wanna
learn more about health
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from faith based perspective?
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Well, there's lots of places,
they wanna look at our website
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HeartWiseMinistries.org.
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We answer people's questions.
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We have a lot of
resources, prayer pages,
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ways to learn about
the balance of all this.
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Also we created an app,
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a biblical prescription app
that people can actually use
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and download on
their device for free
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that walks them through worship,
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also gives them great hints
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to lower the risk of
cardiovascular disease,
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and if they are having problems,
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get help right away.
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Dr. Marcum, thank you very
much for sharing with us today,
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and viewers we hope
you've enjoyed today's program
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on the Ultimate Prescription.
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That's all the
time we have for now.
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We look forward to
sharing more with you
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in a moment, and Dr. Marcum
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will close the
program with prayer.
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Let's spend a moment and go
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to the Ultimate
Physician in prayer.
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Father God,
there's some out there
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that need Your
special help today.
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Some might have
experienced coronary disease
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or in family members.
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We wanna pray
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that you be
especially close to them
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and lead us to health, Father,
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help us to continue in worship
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and show us the balance in life,
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is our most humble prayer.
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Amen.
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I wanna thank each one of you
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for joining us today
on Ultimate Prescription,
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and stay with us frequently,
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and we'll be talking more
about your health concerns.
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