Welcome back to the
Ultimate Prescription.
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I'm your host Nick Evenson,
here with Dr. James Marcum.
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And if you just joined us today,
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we're talking about nutrition,
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specifically as it
relate to chronic diseases
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such as diabetes.
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And, Dr. Marcum,
we've been talking
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and we teased that we're
gonna talk about our case study.
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But before we do that,
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I want to talk a
little bit about fats,
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because you mentioned
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part of the problem with
type 2 diabetes is insulin
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being blocked from getting
into the insulin receptors.
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What are good fats and bad fats?
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And what do we
need to know about it?
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Yeah, well, we know that
it's the nutrient composition
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that makes a big
difference in our body.
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Our body was designed to
handle the certain nutrients
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in certain compositions, okay?
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God created us pretty
much to eat fruits, vegetables,
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nuts, and grains.
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When we get more than
maybe 10%-15% of unhealthy fats
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in our bodies,
the fat is stored.
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Okay, unhealthy
fats are what? Yeah.
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Well, things that are processed,
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animal based fats,
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you know, things
that are from animals,
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that's the main source
of fat, that's not bad,
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fats that are created,
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any type of fat
that's heated up,
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you've heard of saturated fats,
those aren't the good fats,
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okay?
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We get above a
certain line in the body
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and the body stores them,
stores them in the arteries,
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makes the
arteries not work as well.
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Causes other
metabolic changes in our body
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that we're just now
beginning to understand,
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you know, we're still
learning a lot about nutrition,
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and physiology,
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and the metabolism of
the cells of the body.
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So this is not
by far finished yet.
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We don't know everything. Right.
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But we're learning
when we cross that line,
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bad things start to happen.
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Similarly, when we bring in
a lot of animal based proteins,
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similar things happen.
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The metabolism gets messed
up in many different ways,
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whether it be from the liver
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or going in
different types of metabolism,
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storage metabolism,
things don't work well.
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When the metabolism changes,
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the body has these
chronic processes that go on,
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that eventually damages.
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So we talked before
about stresses on a system,
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the wrong type of nutrition,
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the wrong type of
nutrient composition
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puts stress on the body.
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We were never designed
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to bring in large
amounts of animal protein,
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animal fat, processed foods.
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Now if a person is starving
and has nothing else to eat,
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yes, it's better to
do that than starve.
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But for treating
chronic diseases like diabetes,
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I teach people this.
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Now we have wonderful
technology in the world
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that blows my mind
away, how much technology.
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We can make all these pills
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that will bring
down the blood sugar
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through many
different mechanisms.
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We have different shots we give,
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we have different procedures
that we have with insulin pumps
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which are very
beneficial for some people.
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But at the same time,
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what blows my mind sometimes
is we don't get it the cause.
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We treat the symptoms
with all this technology,
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but we don't treat the
cause with all this technology.
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Well, how do you use
technology to do this?
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Well, what we need to do
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is eventually come
up with healthier foods
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and encourage that,
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and bring it on to
people, so use the technology,
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so people will
make better choices,
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and we're doing that.
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But it's something
that's a work in progress.
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It's gonna take some time.
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It takes time to
effect major changes.
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And sometimes in a life,
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when you want to
change your health habits,
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sometimes it takes time.
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It doesn't happen overnight.
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But the most important thing
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I want to focus
on in our ministry
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is the most important
time, while it's taking time,
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it's letting God's
time be there in your life.
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Yeah.
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Now how about a couple of foods
that we think of as good...
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Oh, yeah.
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Avocados, cashew nuts,
and those kinds of things.
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Are those of
concern for type 2 diabetes?
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Well, as long as we
don't eat lots of them,
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as long as we
don't cross the line
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and bring too much
percentage of them in.
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Now if you want to
reverse that diabetes,
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you want to move all the
fats out that you can, okay?
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But once you
reverse type diabetes,
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you'd probably have some
healthy fats back in your diet.
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And people that we try
to reverse heart disease
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that are having symptoms,
we do some more things.
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We get rid of all the
fat, all the animal protein,
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all that stuff we can,
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because we want to not
only hold the metabolism good,
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but we want to actually change
what's going on in the body.
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And sometimes we can
do it very effectively
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pinning the genes.
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Sometimes we have bad genes
that we can't do much with,
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because they've been turned on
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at a younger age than we'd like.
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So some of those we do
need modern medicine with.
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So this is a very complex
situation, disease reversal.
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It not only includes the diet,
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it includes the oblique systems,
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it include exercise and
all the different stressors
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that might be
turning on our epigenetics,
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which might be aging our,
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either good or bad
genes to begin with.
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Isn't this all
interesting? It's fascinating.
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Yeah. I think so.
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One thing I keep
thinking about it,
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you promised a case study...
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Yeah.
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For a patient who had an
issue with type 2 diabetes?
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Yeah, I had a patient comes in,
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and this is a guy that's
never ever been sick before,
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Nick, pretty healthy guy.
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Not on, no medicines.
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This guy didn't
go to the doctor,
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exercised every day,
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was actually ate
whole food plant-based diet.
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Also, you know, didn't
eat a lot of that bad stuff.
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Anyway, he got...
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All of a sudden one
day, he relates his story.
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He started to
have symptoms, okay?
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And the symptoms he had,
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he was going to the
bathroom all the time.
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You know, he
couldn't even go three hours
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without going to bathroom,
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up four or five times at
night going to the bathroom.
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Extreme fatigue,
tired all the time.
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So, you know,
this guy wasn't stupid.
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So he figured something's wrong.
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I need some help. I
need to go see my doctor.
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Now he didn't go
regularly to see his doctor
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like he should,
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because he
thought he was doing good.
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You know, he's doing
all these things right
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that he was supposed to do,
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but finally, he
decided to go to the doctor,
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because he says,
"Something bad's wrong."
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He thought he had
some prostate issues,
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you know, that's why he
was going to the bathroom,
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his prostate was messed up.
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Maybe it's something serious.
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And he was just
feeling horrible.
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Well, he went to the
doctor and the doctor says,
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"Well, going to
the bathroom a lot,
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thirsty a lot, fatigue,
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you know, the big elephant
in the room is diabetes."
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You know, I think
the chronic disease
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that you have, it's
most likely diabetes.
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So he says, "I
think you have diabetes."
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So sure enough,
this guy had diabetes.
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We measure a
diabetic measurement
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called a hemoglobin A1c, okay?
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When it's above 6,
that's considered high.
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Well, this guy
had a level of 13.
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Oh, wow. Hemoglobin A1c of 13.
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And what that is,
is you have hemoglobin,
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and the percent of
sugar that's bound to that.
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So 13% was bound to that.
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We want it to be
less than six, okay?
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At least.
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His fasting blood
sugar was in the 200 or 300s.
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And that's why he was
going to the bathroom so much.
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That's why he had no energy,
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because he could not get
the sugar into his cells,
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the carbohydrates in the cells
which he needed for energy.
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But as a result,
his body was responding
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by doing all
sorts of bad things.
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A condition called
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the metabolic syndrome happened.
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His metabolism changed.
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He started storing things
like uric acid in his body.
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His cholesterol
level was real high.
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Lots of aches and joint pains,
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just lot of
symptoms that he was having.
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Cholesterol level,
really, really high.
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So, you know,
because of all this,
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he just wasn't feeling well.
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So he went to the
doctor and the doctor says,
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"Man, you're in
pretty bad shape."
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And he goes...
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He was like
surprised. Yeah, had no idea.
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How could this happen to me?
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But this guy
wasn't totally dumb, okay?
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I give him some credit.
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He had the little
bit of brain power.
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And he says, "Listen,
doc, I know I have diabetes.
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And I thank you for diagnosing.
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But I don't really
want to take your medicine.
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I don't want to take your,"
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and he wanted to put him on
a medicine called metformin.
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He says, "No, I
don't want to take this,
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even though it's super high,
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I want to give it
a try to reverse it."
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And he had a really nice
doctor and his doctor says,
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"Well, I'll give you
some months to do it."
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And so he went, did his research
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and found out the
things I'm talking about,
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about going to whole
food plant-based diet.
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But he was already on that.
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Yeah, right.
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But what he was not doing,
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you know, he was
on that good diet
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but he was still taking
in too many healthy fats
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and he was still
taking in processed foods.
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Okay. This guy was a chipaholic.
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When I talked
him about his diet,
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he was eating too many chips.
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They're made of
corn. Yes, corns are good.
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That's right, corn is good.
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But he would go to
a Mexican restaurant
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and eat too many chips,
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and he was addicted to
it, as addicted behavior.
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And he wasn't
exercising as much as he should.
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So he went to a
real strict diet.
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No processed foods.
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Ate things like oatmeal
and nuts in the morning,
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salads only with
vinaigrettes, nothing fat on it,
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may be some beans.
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And he did this for
two months, stuck with it
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and he increased
his exercise program
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to an hour and half a day.
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Well, in two
months that hemoglobin A1c
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went from 13 all
the way down to 5.
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And he went back to...
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In how many
months? In two months.
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Wow!
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And he went back to
his doctor and he says,
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"Well, this is nice, but
this is not sustainable."
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Okay?
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So he says, "I'm gonna give you
four months, you can't keep..."
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You know, this
patient can't keep this up.
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So went back to
his doctor and said,
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"No, you can't keep this up."
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But you know
what? He kept this up.
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He made a few more changes
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and added some
healthy fats in his diet.
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But he has
addictions to processed foods,
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he had his understanding
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of the importance
of exercise improved.
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No he was still...
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His pancreas was making insulin
but not a lot of insulin.
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So he really had
type one and a half,
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the type of diabetes
from a genetic lazy pancreas
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as well as from the
process of eating too much fat.
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So eat a little bit of both.
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Had compounded issue.
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And he knew, if he
didn't make changes,
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he will run out of insulin,
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then he would have to take
modern medicine to stay alive.
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So I think, this is a
very, very dramatic story.
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And this gentleman had
his blood checked recently,
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and he's now done
it for over a year,
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keeping him a non-diabetic,
but he has diabetic tendencies.
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So would you say this
person is a diabetic or not?
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Yeah, I'd say probably so. Yeah.
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So but there's lots of people
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that are walking
around the world today
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that have some
type of chronic disease.
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And people, in
talking this gentleman,
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I said, "What's the key to this?
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What's the key to
you making that change?"
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And you know, he related to me,
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the key to making that change
was his relationship with God.
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He says, "I ask God for help
to do things, I couldn't do."
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It's not easy to
get on the treadmill
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and walk an hour and half a day.
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It's not easy to eat
these foods over and over.
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But God gave him the
power to break those addictions
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and that's what able that person
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to beat type 2 diabetes.
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So to answer that
question, earlier we did today,
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yes, type 2 is reversible.
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And you know
who that person was?
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I do actually,
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but I think you're
gonna have to tell everyone.
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Yeah, that person who reversed
type 2 diabetes was myself.
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Yeah.
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And I went through
all of those changes
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with God's help.
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And I realize that
all of us have problems,
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we all need a savior,
and that's the real solution
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to not only see
the lifestyle changes
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and the place
for modern medicine,
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but give us the power
in our life to do things
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for the right reasons.
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So I was just happy in my
life that God gave me the power
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to not only see
that, but make some changes
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so I could use this
as a testimony to others,
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to help inspire them
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to come into relationship
with the ultimate physician,
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who can give them power to
see truth and enact change.
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And even if they
can't do anything,
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as long as they're with Christ,
they're in a very safe place.
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Yeah, and I think
that's a great reminder
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for folks who
are maybe vegetarians
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and they feel like
they eat pretty healthy,
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but if they're still
eating a lot of processed foods,
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and they have the wrong genetics
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and that are kind of
predisposed for diabetes,
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they still could have an issue.
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And, Nick, the changes I
made were pretty drastic,
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pretty quick,
because I felt horrible.
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I was going to the
bathroom all the time.
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I was tired all the time.
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I was working and
doing ministry work,
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doing good things,
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but if you don't
take care of your health,
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you know, things don't go well.
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So I really had to depend
on my Heavenly Father, I said,
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"God, I don't
know why You did this,
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but I want to use it
to glorify Your name.
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I want to use it
to help this ministry.
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I want to use it
to help other people,"
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realized that this
is the major problem
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in our world today.
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When one in three
are gonna have it,
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when it's leading precursor
to all these vascular problems
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like heart attack, strokes,
neuropathies, kidney disease,
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blindness, we want
to help people do better
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and it comes from
the power that comes
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that you give us to see truth
and enact that in our lives.
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That's an awesome testimony.
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Thank you for
sharing Dr. Marcum.
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You're welcome.
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But I want to make
one free offer here.
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Our free guide
to optimum nutrition
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is available at Biblical
Prescriptions.com/Nutrition.
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There're some great
tips, some inspiration there
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for you to find better ways
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to eat whole
food plant-based diet
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and then move yourself
towards the better health
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and a better relationship
with our Heavenly Father.
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Thanks for joining us.
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Dr. Marcum will
close the program
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in just a moment with prayer.
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I've learnt personally
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that chronic
disease is reversible.
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And I'm so
thankful that in my case,
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God helped me one step at a time
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to see what I needed to do.
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He gave me the power to
do it and stick with it.
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And I want to let you focus
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in on what's so
important in our lives,
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and that's the relationship
between our Heavenly Father
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to help us to see truth
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and that He really is
the Ultimate Prescription.
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Let's pray together.
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Father of God,
we want to thank You
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for taking care of us
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and using our
weaknesses to help other people
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and to turn our
diseases into testimonies
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and witnesses for You,
Father, and go with us this day.
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And we thank You so much
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for Your saving
grace is our prayer, amen.
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I want to thank you
for joining us today
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on the Ultimate Prescription.
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go to our website,
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