The following
program presents principles
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designed to promote good health
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and is not intended to take
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the place of
personalized professional care.
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The opinions and ideas expressed
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are those of the speaker.
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Viewers are encouraged
to draw their own conclusion
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about the information presented.
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With the advancements of
technology and communication
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over the past couple of decades,
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we have a plethora of
information available to us
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at the click of a button.
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The only problem is,
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how do we know what
information we can trust.
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On today's
program, Dr. Marcum shares
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how he finds sources he
trusts and also practical steps
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that we can take to
employ better health
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in our lives today, no matter
where we're starting from.
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Thanks for joining us today
for The Ultimate Prescription,
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a program dedicated to
helping us better understand
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God's design for our lives.
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I'm your host Nick Evenson
here with Dr. James Marcum
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who will be sharing with us
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on finding trustworthy
sources of information
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when it comes to our health.
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Dr. Marcum,
welcome to the program.
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Welcome, it's
nice to be here, Nick,
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and I love your tie today,
that's very sporty of you.
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Thank you. Thank you.
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I try and look
sharp, so I look credible.
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You know, someone once
told me that less is more
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so I got rid of my tie to
see if that would be more.
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It looks nice, you look young.
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Well, thank you. Thank you.
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Also I can breathe
a little bit better.
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You know my son Jake,
where he goes to school,
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he has to wear a tie every day.
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Every day he
has to wear a tie...
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He's ready for business.
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Yeah, and he
looked, I said Jake,
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you could
borrow some of my ties,
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you know, I got lots of ties,
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I've collected them
for years and years,
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so he looks at
my tie collection,
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doesn't choose any of them.
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Not quite his style?
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No, and he goes to the store
that makes these fancy ties
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with things and
he wants those ties.
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So it's very
interesting so anyway,
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I'm digressing Nick...
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That's all
right. That's all right.
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We're talking about
truth and before we start,
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I wanna talk a little
bit about opinions, okay?
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Everyone out
there has an opinion,
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you know, I've had opinions
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and opinions evolve
overtime based on knowledge.
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And one of the things
we talk about truth is,
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you know, we learn new
truth as God exposes it to us
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as we have new technology,
as we have new discoveries,
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so that's
something that evolves too,
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and so truth changes overtime
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in opinions on any
given issue changes.
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And a lot of people
asks questions to us
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and you know my
nutritional advice now
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might not have been
what it was 27 years ago
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when I started 'cause
we've learnt new things.
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I advice on supplements,
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on specific treatments
might have changed overtime.
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But one thing that
has stayed true overtime
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and that's the truth that
comes from the Word of God.
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You know that's
something that we can depend on,
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and that's when I want
to keep coming back to,
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and the text that I
want to really refer to is,
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remember that text in
John 8, that says, John 8:32,
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"And you shall know
the truth, the truth,
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and that truth sets you free."
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And that truth is Jesus, and
if we keep coming back to Jesus
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no matter where
we're at in healthcare,
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no matter what
modern day medicine,
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no matter what
lifestyle changes,
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we keep turning to Jesus,
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that's the truth
that's gonna set us free
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from all of these
burdensome that we carry.
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So it's hard to know
what's true in modern medicine
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and lifestyle
medicine, it's hard,
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and I struggle with
it every day as well
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'cause I'm inundate
with people sending me emails
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and asking questions,
and I do try to evaluate it,
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so it's a constant challenge.
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Every day, you know,
people come into my website,
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they recommend
different therapies,
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they want me to look at them,
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they want me to
post them on the website,
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they want me to read
an article or new textbook
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and not to mention
all the scientific studies
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that are coming out.
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And some of them you have
to look at very carefully,
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especially who is
funding the studies, you know,
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who has secondary interest,
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it is pharmaceutical funding it,
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you know who is
paying for the study
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that's evaluating
this thing scientifically,
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so it is a challenge.
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You know, one thing
that stands out on my mind,
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I've visited you at your
office number of times now
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and I remember,
you showed me a book
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that was probably
this thick one time,
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you told me what it was.
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It was a book that had
all the different medications
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and what they were treated for.
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That would be considered
a doctor's source of truth
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if you will, on
medications, right?
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But now they don't
do a big book anymore
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because their
understanding of medications
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has grown, and grown, and grown,
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you probably
couldn't fit everything
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that you need to know in
a book nor could you find
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what you're looking for, so
now it's all electronic, right?
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It's amazing that
we go to the internet,
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and not only do
doctors go to the internet,
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but everyone else
goes to the internet,
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and there are
some internet stuff
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that's true out there
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and there're some
that's not so true.
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And you can get
fooled by the internet
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or tricked by the internet.
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I got tricked by
the internet yesterday,
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you know, I was
trying to get a place to stay
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and I thought it
was a legitimate site
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'cause it look like a
place that I wanted to say at,
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and I went on that site,
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that wasn't what
I thought at all,
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so there wasn't any
truth to that at all.
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So it's easy to fall
into this different people
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that are wanting to
throw out what they're doing.
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But usually, the
people that are throwing out
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other truths or
what they say is truth,
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usually there
is some selfishness
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and money behind it.
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So looking at the source
is a very important thing
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at least for me in
developing opinions.
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Now opinions constantly evolve.
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Now, there is other things
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that are called
convictions, okay.
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Conviction is something
that you're willing to die for,
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you know, what are you willing
to die for, no matter what,
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you know, and one of the things
that I'm willing to die for,
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is I'm willing to die
for my belief in the Bible.
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I'm willing to die for that.
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And you look for
other truths in your life,
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so there's a difference between
a conviction which is constant.
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Truth in the Bible
is constant and opinions
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which are
constantly evolving overtime.
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Yeah, yeah.
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Well, you know,
we've got a question
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that's come in
on this very topic
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and, if you have a question
that you'd like to submit,
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heartwiseministries.org
is a great place
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that you can go
find sources of truth
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as well as some opinions
that will change overtime.
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But Heartwise Ministries
and our team of physicians,
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they will answer
your health questions
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and point you in
a general direction
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of where you should
go to find the answer.
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But we've had someone write
in with a question that says,
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they had health questions
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so they scoured the
internet for solutions,
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and what they found contradicted
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what their doctor told them.
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How do you know who to
trust in that situation?
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Yeah, that's a big question,
but some general principles
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is talk to your
doctor about it, okay?
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See if it corresponds
with some of the things
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that are in the
Bible, see if it makes sense
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with the Bible which
is a source of truth.
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Read all you can
from reliable sources
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and we're gonna
give reliable sources
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and keep looking
for yourself and pray,
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God help lead me to
the right intervention,
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whether it be modern medicine,
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whether it be a
lifestyle change,
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whether it be walking with You.
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Lead me in the way
that You would have me go
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and guide me to those
sources, and keep an open eye
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and listen to
what people have to say
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and see if it makes sense,
test it with sources you trust.
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I'm constantly
going different places,
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reading different things,
evaluating different things,
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looking for sources of truth.
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So sometimes,
it's not a bad idea
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to get a second opinion
maybe and kind of balance it.
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And get out, get outside
and look at different things.
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Yeah.
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Excellent. Excellent.
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Now, you speak quite a bit
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to your wealth on
convictions of the scriptures
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and I want to talk a
bit about more of that.
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You're a Bible
believing creationist.
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And you recently
had an interesting trip
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that you took to the
Galapagos Islands, right?
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Yeah, I went to the
Galapagos not too long ago
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and that's also to
look for truth you know,
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I've heard so
much about the animals,
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I'm on Galapagos
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and I think we have some
pictures to show of that.
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Yeah, let's go and
take a look at that now
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and just tell us a bit
about what we're seeing here
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and how it changed
your view of events.
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Well, I went to the
Galapagos specifically
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'cause I've been heard
so much about Darwinism,
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and creation, and evolution,
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and what's true
and what's not true,
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and I went and
looked at all the animals,
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there's seals, there's animals
that are found in the Galapagos
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that are found
nowhere else in the world.
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There are certain
birds and how they nest.
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Now, this is a bird there
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that they won't let you
within ten foot of that bird.
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But this is an island
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that's made of
different volcanic activities,
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there's many different
species of different animals
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and plants that are found
nowhere else in the world,
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the different
currents that come in.
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There we see an iguana,
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and these are not
only a land iguanas
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but there are sea iguanas,
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they're actually
swimming in the water with you.
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And so I went to the Galapagos
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to better understand
creation but also to ask God.
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God continue to
show me truth in life
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and help me be able
to share that truth,
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so as I looked
at nature and iguana
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and see how the
species adapted to the islands,
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it just assured me that,
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yes, we had a God
that was a creator.
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We have a Bible
that we can depend on,
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not only for our
healthcare answers,
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but for other answers in life,
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where we're going,
where we came from.
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And there is a lot of people
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trying to
minimize God as a creator,
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but as you look at these animals
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in the Galapagos Islands,
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it was just a remarkable
experience, especially,
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everyone's there
looking at the beautiful scenery
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that the volcanic rocks
are going on and how this area,
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you know, there is a
bird that's just walking along
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and all these had to be created.
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The intricacies and
very little that we are there
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and there we're
looking at another sea iguana.
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These iguanas actually
are swimming next to you
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in the water and
there is a seal, Nick.
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The seals just hung
out where they want to.
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Now, they're so specific,
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they don't let
you get too close.
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There is one of the
largest tortoises in the world,
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lived hundreds of
years and how they've evolved
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to stay alive in the
areas that they live in.
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They call that speciation.
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This isn't a creature
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that evolved
from something else,
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this is a creation that
has adaptive to survive.
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Or adaptation.
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Yeah, and when you go
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and actually see
these animals for themselves
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and what they had to do.
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And there is a big
tortoise eating some good food.
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Now, they don't move very
fast and it's very interesting,
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they're not in a
hurry to do anything at all.
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But there's very...
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You see the lifestyle
there in all the animals
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and all the beauty
that you are just convinced,
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you know for sure
that there is a God creator
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and He created
for specific reasons
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and the source lies in that.
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In the Galapagos, there is
tons of places to go dive in
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and look at the
animals under the seas.
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Now, I'm a zoologist
by trade, and in zoology,
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we like to study biology.
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And I was trained in
big biology, you know,
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looking at animals,
and here's the fish,
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and there's so much
exciting under seas,
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you know, a starfish there.
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A lot of people
don't realize all that.
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There're great animals on living
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that we can learn
from, watching animals,
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how they behave,
how they react to things
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and then, I also realize there
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that the animals are
so different than humans,
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you know, they have a
different neurological system,
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they have different
needs, but God's given us
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all these to
understand His greater book.
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So it sounds like,
you went to this place
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that's made famous by Darwin,
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but seeing all of the different
adaptations of the animals,
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one of the unique species,
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it didn't convinced you at all
of his perspective on things,
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but rather strengthened
your own convictions
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that the scriptures are
true and the creation is true.
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That's absolutely right.
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You know, we have a God
that created and we have a God,
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and we know very,
very little about things.
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You know, when you
think about things like time,
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Nick, you know, our God
is always been, what is time.
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You know, we think
about all these animals
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that have
different nervous systems,
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different cells and yet
there is some similarity
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in the living creatures.
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I mean, they use the sunlight
and they live certain ways,
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but it really helped reassure me
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that trip to the Galapagos,
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it didn't take me
away from the Bible
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as a source of truth,
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it brought me back to the Bible.
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As I went to the
Darwin Research Center,
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as I saw all those
animals that made me say, wow,
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we have a great
creator that's created me
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to be in His image
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and all the different things
I can do to understand truth.
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So this really helped
me not only understand,
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re-convict me of
some of my truths,
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but help my
opinions evolve overtime,
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but also helped
me evaluate truths
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that might be out
there in the medical field
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and use the Bible
and God's Word as a way
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to sort of evaluate
them and develop opinions
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that I can share
with other people.
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No, I'm not
saying, I'm always right.
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No one is always right,
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'cause opinions are
different than convictions.
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Opinions change overtime,
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so as our viewers
look for sources of truth,
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there's not always a
black and white for everyone,
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sometimes it's in the
middle based on your genes,
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your belief systems,
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the way your
family is or sometimes
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it might look a little
bit different for Nick Evenson
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than it would be for Jim Marcum,
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but one thing we can depend
on is the truth of the Bible,
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we can put on in this text,
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you shall know the truth,
the truth that sets you free
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from all of these confusion
of this world we live in.
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There is
something we can depend on
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and we can come to
that truth every single day.
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And in that truth,
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it helps us to understand
life a little bit better,
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not that we can
understand everything.
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And the more I
know about things,
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I realize, I don't
know very much at all.
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And I'm not
very smart, you know,
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the world is much
bigger, our God is so big,
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can't understand, I
just have to accept things
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and just depend on
Him to reveal truth,
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whatever truth He
wants to reveal in my life.
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Yeah.
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Well, thank you for sharing us
your journey to the Galapagos,
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it's very intriguing,
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it's on my booklets
of places to go someday,
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but it's exciting to hear
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about how that
really affirm your beliefs.
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Yeah, and I'll tell
you, in the Galapagos,
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if you go over there,
you know, take your time,
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you know, don't rush,
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we had to fly all the
way to town called Kito
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that was high up and, you
know, just take your time,
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don't get in a rush to go there,
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but it was such
a great experience
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visiting there and seeing.
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You know, I grew
up as a zoologist,
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but I studied
big biology, animals,
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animal behaviors but nowadays,
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there's a lot
more on little biology,
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it seems, you know,
the genome, the cells,
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the molecular, it's
just very, very interesting
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but again, all
that pointed me back.
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Every time I was there, it says,
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you know, the real truth,
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the one thing that I can
depend on in my life right now,
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not only for
medicine but every aspect,
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it starts in my
relationship with Jesus,
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and that's what I want
to encourage everyone here,
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if you have a health question,
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there is great
sources out there,
00:14:53.92\00:14:55.76
but start with
the Bible, ask God,
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God, show me the truth,
is what I'm hearing here,
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does this go with Your Word?
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Does this go with
other things I've heard?
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'Cause there's so much
out there on the internet,
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it blows you away.
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All right.
Thank you, Dr. Marcum.
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Yeah.
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We're gonna take a quick break,
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but stay tuned as
we're gonna discuss more
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about sources of
truth when we return.
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