Participants: Dr. James Marcum (Host), Charles Mills
Series Code: UP
Program Code: UP00032B
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00:01 Welcome to the program.
00:02 I'm Charles Mills here with Dr. James Marcum 00:04 and we are talking about depression today. 00:06 It is a topic that a lot of people 00:08 don't really want to talk about. 00:10 They say I am not depressed, I am just tired. 00:12 Or I am just feeling a little bit down. 00:14 And that may be the case 00:16 but if it--think if it goes on for days 00:18 and weeks and even years, 00:20 then you might want to reconsider what the problem is. 00:23 And Dr. Marcum you outlined some things 00:25 that we can do lifestyle wise to getting the more sunlight, 00:30 the better water intake, eating a better diet 00:33 and all of these things and exercising, absolutely. 00:36 What are some other areas that we need to look at 00:39 that few people consider? 00:42 And I am thinking immediately relationship with God. 00:46 Kind it be that if we do not have a relationship 00:48 with someone bigger than we, more powerful than we are, 00:52 someone who can actually save our lives 00:54 and save our souls. 00:56 Can they bring about a feeling of depression in the mind? 00:59 Well, I think they can 01:00 especially if you worship something 01:02 that causes guilt or fear, anxiety 01:05 that would turn on the stress part of the brain 01:07 which would make all these inflammatory cytokines 01:10 which could make a predisposed brain 01:12 more likely to have depression. 01:14 So worshipping a God that we are fearful of, 01:17 worshipping a God that we think says to us I love you, 01:22 I created you, I died for you 01:25 but if you don't love me in return I will kill you 01:28 and a lot of people say, that--that can't be. 01:30 But if you stop and think about it 01:31 a lot of people believe that about God. 01:33 This vengeful, wrath filled God 01:38 who was waiting to just do a number on us 01:40 because we are not obeying Him. 01:42 That can bring about depression because we need to have a God 01:46 where we can worship that actually increases the joy 01:50 and the love and the--the benefits of love 01:55 that that kind of God would not bring. 01:57 Yeah and that's a trauma to the brain. 01:59 Absolutely. It doesn't make sense. 02:02 I have pointed it we have a good understanding of God. 02:04 Yeah, the brain--in back in the Garden of Eden, 02:06 the brain was made to worship God, 02:08 the true God and as we had false God 02:11 this just going do damages. 02:12 Now we can even apply this when people are young, 02:15 when you are growing up, 02:17 if you are in abusive relationships, 02:19 unloving situations, if you are beaten, 02:23 that puts damage on your brain too another type of trauma. 02:26 We see people that are overseas 02:29 and they have all these trauma that happens when people, 02:32 you know, kill each other and it was that type of damage, 02:35 it damages in your circuits. 02:38 Our brain wasn't designed to do these things. 02:40 Now do some people have depression 02:43 and do everything right? 02:44 Absolutely, there are certain genetic conditions 02:47 that predisposed to depression 02:50 and in those situations 02:51 sometimes we need to use medications, 02:54 sometime we use to use 02:55 other types of treatment for depression 02:57 like cognitive therapy. 02:58 We are gonna talk about a little bit 03:00 about special magnetic pulses, 03:02 magnetic stimulation that we can do 03:04 in addition to the lifestyle but one other things 03:07 I think you touched on is I have never seen 03:10 worship hurt someone that was depressed. 03:13 I never seen anyone that they praises God, 03:16 where they praised Him that makes the depression worse. 03:19 If they know who they are praying to. Exactly. 03:22 And what to expect from the God they are praying to. 03:24 That is the difference. 03:25 If they have expectations of a God 03:28 and that--those expectations are not met by the God 03:31 that they think is up there they are going to be depressed 03:33 because they think well, God is not listening to me. 03:34 He doesn't care about me. Right. 03:36 So it's so important that we have a good understanding 03:39 of who we are praying to 03:40 and the kind of God that's up there. 03:41 And chemically what it does 03:42 is it makes chemical called endorphins. 03:44 When you have this happen 03:46 it makes chemical called dopamine 03:48 which helps us with other problems 03:50 and makes us feel good. 03:52 It helps us give us the power to may be exercise, 03:54 to breathe better, to eat better, 03:56 to make the nutritional changes we knew 03:58 because we do know that nutrition effects 04:00 our brain health, it effects depression too. 04:03 But one thing I want everyone to think about today is 04:06 when you go to the doctor and have the symptoms 04:08 and he says I think you are depressed, 04:11 I would ask before anything else is there anything else 04:15 I can do before you write me that prescription 04:17 because those prescriptions that you might really need it 04:20 and some people at their suicide 04:21 need it for short period of time. 04:23 But in addition was there things that I can do is a trauma 04:26 that's been done, can my brain be reward 04:29 with cognitive therapy or worship therapy, 04:31 that's how we say. 04:32 Is there something nutritional that we can do? 04:34 Worship therapy, I like that. 04:35 Worship therapy is a-- healthy worship therapy. 04:38 Oh, yes, healthy worship therapy. 04:39 Is there some other therapy that we can add 04:41 that may be can change our chemistry naturally 04:44 so we don't have to take the risk of the medicine 04:46 or do we have to always be in it. 04:47 Some people do need medication 04:49 and some people it's very useful for. 04:51 But I think everyone deserves 04:53 to get at the bottom of the cause 04:55 and I think in this world 04:57 we just don't talk to each other, 04:59 we don't care about each other, 05:00 we don't look for-- look beyond the surface 05:03 and I think and people that are out there 05:05 if you might have depression or think 05:06 you might have you need someone that really cares about you 05:10 that will look beyond the service that will make sure 05:12 you don't have a underlying medical problem, 05:14 they will make sure you don't have nutritional defects, 05:16 they will make sure you are exercising. 05:18 And here's another one, Charles, rest. 05:20 Did you know that that is a major treatment 05:22 for depression because when you are resting guess what, 05:26 your stress chemistry goes down, your inflammation goes down, 05:30 your brain starts to think better, 05:31 it can function better. 05:33 So just that the pure process of rest 05:35 and again that's another biblical treatment. 05:37 You know, you work six days, you rest a day. 05:40 We were originally designed to rest at night. 05:42 As we violate these laws that God has given us 05:46 there is a chemical consequence. 05:48 You know, there might be a chemical consequence 05:50 to your knee if you never rest your knee. 05:52 Well it's only in intuitive that if we don't rest our brain 05:56 there is going to be some chemical changes to that. 05:58 We just wear the brain out, and the brain wears out 06:00 and all these neurocircuitry that we've talked about 06:03 it changes for the bad. 06:04 We make the bad chemicals 06:05 and not enough the good chemicals. 06:07 So I can--I don't know if anyone that gets worst 06:09 when they had a goodnights rest either. 06:11 Yes, absolutely. 06:13 We need also realize that the way 06:16 God response to our prayer when we have figured out 06:20 that God is a loving God 06:21 and He has our best interest in heart 06:23 and He is not out to destroy us. 06:25 How God responses, we need to make sure 06:28 that we realize that it may be in a book, 06:31 it may be through the words of a friend, 06:33 it may be in a sermon, it may be in a song. 06:35 If we go into a church service, 06:37 if we go into a relationship with someone 06:40 with the thought I am gonna be listening for God to talk to me. 06:44 I am gonna be listening for God 06:45 to give me some kind of information here, 06:47 in this relationship, in this book what I am reading, 06:49 in this television program that I am watching 06:51 which gives you an idea that we need to be watching 06:54 some really good television programs 06:55 like here on 3ABN. 06:56 If I am in a receptive mode to God's response to my prayer 07:04 it's amazing how God response. 07:07 It is--it is incredible the ways God use to do. 07:11 Some people pray and they will wait for the answer. 07:12 They sit back and wait when is it coming, 07:14 when is it coming. 07:15 They listen to the still small voice 07:16 that God really want to use the voice of a friend, 07:18 the voice of the preacher of church, 07:20 the voice of someone on television, in a book. 07:22 We need to be open to that. Yeah. 07:24 So when we pray God here is my problem, please help me. 07:27 Then we start looking around for the answer 07:30 and not wait for it to come to us we start going to it. 07:32 What do you think? 07:33 That's great, Charles, 07:34 and you know like we talk about relationship 07:37 and my relationship with you 07:38 is different than I might have with anyone else 07:40 but God works through relationship with you. 07:43 And it's just--you know, that's why I am hoping 07:45 some people that will be watching today 07:46 will learn something more about this subject of depression 07:49 even though I am not a psychiatrist, 07:51 you are not a psychiatrists. 07:53 We are not psychologists but we want people 07:54 to think about this important subject 07:56 because so many people do have down science, 07:59 you know, depression 08:00 and unfortunately lots of people are on medicines. 08:02 Were might be something like, 08:03 did you know that people that have the symptoms of depression 08:06 and seven of ten people there might be something 08:09 as simple as they are missing the genetic thing 08:11 to make folic acid. 08:13 You know something like that. 08:14 Like L-Methylfolate or some healthy foods 08:16 with those things that can help the brain function. 08:19 It might be something as increasing the ceriatone 08:21 or going outdoors, it might be cognitive, 08:24 it might be just having a friend, 08:26 it might be because you are lonely, 08:27 it might because you had trauma in your life, 08:29 it might because you are not sleeping 08:31 but it's usually what I found out, Charles, 08:32 it's usually just not one thing. 08:34 It's usually a little bit of this, 08:35 a little bit of that, a little bit of that, 08:37 and before you know you have crossed the line. 08:40 And then if you can sort of lower each one of these 08:43 and the person can start feeling better. 08:45 Well let's go to some questions 08:46 here on the heartwiseministries.org website. 08:49 You've answered some of them already 08:50 and it says is here, is there any way 08:51 to come off medications for depression? 08:56 If you want to come off medication for depression 08:58 you just drop the medication and hope for the best? 09:01 How do you come of medication for depression? 09:03 Now just think about this for a second, okay. 09:06 Do drug companies ever want you 09:08 to come of from medication? Absolutely not. 09:09 Not when there are so many people taking them. 09:11 And sometimes these medications prompt a side effect 09:14 where you need anther medication. 09:16 The doctor it takes times to get you off medication 09:19 or some of them don't want you off medication either. 09:21 The only one that really wants you off 09:23 from medication is probably you. 09:25 So it does have to come with doctor's supervision. 09:29 If you are having suicidal thoughts 09:31 or helplessness it might not be the best thing 09:33 unless you got them. 09:34 But you know in milder cases of depression 09:37 it is possible be off 09:38 especially if you make these other changes. 09:40 We know that people that--that exercise 09:43 and get out in the sun 09:44 that's just as effective for the treating 09:46 this depression as a medication. 09:48 So why not, so let me, 09:49 you know, gradually triturate this medicine down 09:52 and substitute these types of things, 09:54 may be L-Methylfolate, may be some, you know, 09:57 some almonds and walnuts that have omega three fatty acids. 10:00 May be some exercise, rest and water, 10:02 may be a little more worship and see how you feel 10:05 and may be you feel so good 10:07 that you don't need that depression medicine anymore. 10:09 Then guess what? 10:11 You can come off of it. 10:12 Unfortunately some of these depression medicines 10:14 have bad side effects. 10:15 Some of the when mixed with other medications 10:18 change the rhythms of the heart 10:20 and it can make dangerous rhythms 10:21 we call that the QTC interval. 10:23 Sometimes that can cause dangerous rhythms, 10:26 sometimes it can create greater mood disorders. 10:29 Some of these psychiatric medicines 10:31 for depression have also been 10:33 associated with increasing the rate of suicide. 10:36 So if you can be off of these with cognitive therapy 10:39 or any other therapy sometimes it's worth it. 10:41 Now one thing I wanted to talk about is 10:43 this new field that's coming cutting edge of medicine. 10:46 It's where they give magnetic pluses to the brain 10:50 and they can target different part of the brain. 10:52 And what this does is it causes the neurons to change 10:56 and release different chemicals in different connections 10:58 and sometimes that can help people 11:00 that have depression as well. 11:02 So there is lots of different ways we can help 11:04 and in my opinion that might even be safer than a pill 11:07 because other than the pocket book 11:09 it doesn't have a lot of long term side effects. 11:12 But every out there as far as depression goes 11:14 I want you to think about it look for answers 11:16 don't just accept a pill and talk about it. 11:19 Look at these other modes that we have out there 11:21 including nutrition, lifestyle, 11:23 especially look at worship, 11:25 talk to your doctor 11:26 see if it is possible you can be off medicines. 11:29 Make sure your medicines aren't interactive dangerously 11:32 and if a medication is making you feel worse, 11:34 you know, sometimes the medicine makes you feel worse. 11:36 Raise your hand and get off of that. 11:38 Yeah, absolutely. 11:39 I think its so important that we realize 11:42 that depression is serious. 11:44 It is not something that we just have to tolerate 11:48 and may be it will go away because it may not. 11:51 I think that we need to begin as a people 11:54 and especially people of God to start use using the tools 11:58 that God has put there for us. 12:00 Try that the change in the diet 12:03 and the fresh air and the sunshine 12:05 and the rest try to cover the place 12:09 where you realize that these problems that you are facing 12:13 are the result of sin, that many of them are normal 12:17 because who wants to live in a sinful world 12:18 and see the awful things that take place. 12:21 But we have to realize that we do have a God that loves us. 12:23 A God that wants to save us 12:25 and God who is preparing a place for us in heaven 12:29 after we get through of this very depressing world. 12:32 When we come back, we will talk to that God 12:34 so stay tuned. 12:43 You know, we have been talking about depression today 12:45 on the Ultimate Prescription. 12:47 And this is something that is a major problem 12:49 in the entire world now and if you think back 12:53 years and years and years ago 12:55 some how we didn't hear much about depression. 12:57 You know, we didn't treat everyone with medication. 13:00 Somehow we worked it out a little bit better. 13:03 And there's got to be better ways 13:04 to treat depression than pills. 13:06 However, some people really need the pills to stay well. 13:10 And if you are suffering with depression 13:11 I want you to consider some of the things 13:13 we talked about today. 13:14 The lifestyle changes like, eating a healthy diet, 13:17 exercise, getting enough rest, eating a plant based diet, 13:21 try to stay away from the stats 13:22 which can contribute inflammation. 13:25 Look at the things in your life 13:26 that might be causing inflammation 13:28 which could also hurt your brain. 13:31 Look at your life and see if there is trauma 13:33 but more important than that I want to also encourage you 13:36 to come back to worship. 13:38 Worship and change your brain. 13:39 Talk to God about this, 13:41 let Him work this depression out in your life. 13:43 And for those who are out there with depression 13:45 I want to invite you to go to our website. 13:47 We will be happy to pray with you, to meet with you. 13:49 Our website is heartwiseministries.org 13:52 and we are going to have a prayer for you, right now. 13:54 Shall we bow our heads? 13:57 Heavenly Father, there are many others out there 14:00 that are depressed. 14:01 Father, we need your help. 14:02 Show us the way to get help 14:04 and that come out of this, Father. 14:06 And we know that it is a place for modern medicine in lifestyle 14:08 but we want You to be the ultimate physician 14:10 that will lead us into health and to healing. 14:14 We want to thank You for Your grace 14:15 and Your love and all the grate suggestions 14:18 You given in the Bible. 14:20 This is our prayer together. Amen. 14:24 We want to thank you for joining us 14:25 in the ultimate physician 14:27 and this is how we make our program. 14:29 This is when you write us in the websites 14:32 or give us a line heartwiseministiries.org 14:35 and we wish you the best of health, 14:37 with God leading the way. |
Revised 2014-12-17