Welcome to the program.
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I'm Charles Mills
here with Dr. James Marcum
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and we are talking
about depression today.
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It is a topic
that a lot of people
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don't really want to talk about.
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They say I am not
depressed, I am just tired.
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Or I am just
feeling a little bit down.
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And that may be the case
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but if it--think
if it goes on for days
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and weeks and even years,
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then you might want to
reconsider what the problem is.
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And Dr. Marcum you
outlined some things
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that we can do lifestyle wise
to getting the more sunlight,
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the better water
intake, eating a better diet
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and all of these things
and exercising, absolutely.
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What are some other
areas that we need to look at
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that few people consider?
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And I am thinking immediately
relationship with God.
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Kind it be that if we
do not have a relationship
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with someone bigger than
we, more powerful than we are,
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someone who can
actually save our lives
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and save our souls.
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Can they bring about a feeling
of depression in the mind?
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Well, I think they can
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especially if
you worship something
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that causes
guilt or fear, anxiety
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that would turn on the
stress part of the brain
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which would make all
these inflammatory cytokines
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which could make
a predisposed brain
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more likely to have depression.
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So worshipping a God
that we are fearful of,
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worshipping a God that we
think says to us I love you,
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I created you, I died for you
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but if you don't love me
in return I will kill you
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and a lot of people
say, that--that can't be.
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But if you stop
and think about it
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a lot of people
believe that about God.
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This vengeful, wrath filled God
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who was waiting to
just do a number on us
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because we are not obeying Him.
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That can bring about depression
because we need to have a God
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where we can worship that
actually increases the joy
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and the love and
the--the benefits of love
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that that kind of
God would not bring.
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Yeah and that's a
trauma to the brain.
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Absolutely. It
doesn't make sense.
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I have pointed it we have
a good understanding of God.
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Yeah, the brain--in
back in the Garden of Eden,
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the brain was
made to worship God,
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the true God and
as we had false God
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this just going do damages.
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Now we can even apply
this when people are young,
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when you are growing up,
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if you are in
abusive relationships,
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unloving
situations, if you are beaten,
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that puts damage on your brain
too another type of trauma.
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We see people that are overseas
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and they have all these
trauma that happens when people,
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you know, kill each other
and it was that type of damage,
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it damages in your circuits.
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Our brain wasn't
designed to do these things.
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Now do some
people have depression
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and do everything right?
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Absolutely, there are
certain genetic conditions
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that predisposed to depression
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and in those situations
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sometimes we need
to use medications,
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sometime we use to use
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other types of
treatment for depression
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like cognitive therapy.
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We are gonna talk
about a little bit
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about special magnetic pulses,
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magnetic
stimulation that we can do
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in addition to the
lifestyle but one other things
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I think you touched
on is I have never seen
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worship hurt
someone that was depressed.
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I never seen anyone
that they praises God,
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where they praised Him
that makes the depression worse.
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If they know who they
are praying to. Exactly.
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And what to expect from
the God they are praying to.
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That is the difference.
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If they have
expectations of a God
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and that--those expectations
are not met by the God
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that they think is up there
they are going to be depressed
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because they think well,
God is not listening to me.
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He doesn't care about me. Right.
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So it's so important that
we have a good understanding
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of who we are praying to
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and the kind of
God that's up there.
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And chemically what it does
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is it makes
chemical called endorphins.
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When you have this happen
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it makes
chemical called dopamine
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which helps us
with other problems
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and makes us feel good.
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It helps us give us the
power to may be exercise,
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to breathe
better, to eat better,
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to make the
nutritional changes we knew
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because we do know
that nutrition effects
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our brain health, it
effects depression too.
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But one thing I want
everyone to think about today is
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when you go to the
doctor and have the symptoms
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and he says I
think you are depressed,
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I would ask before anything
else is there anything else
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I can do before you
write me that prescription
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because those prescriptions
that you might really need it
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and some people at their suicide
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need it for
short period of time.
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But in addition was there
things that I can do is a trauma
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that's been done,
can my brain be reward
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with cognitive
therapy or worship therapy,
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that's how we say.
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Is there something
nutritional that we can do?
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Worship therapy, I like that.
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Worship therapy is a--
healthy worship therapy.
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Oh, yes,
healthy worship therapy.
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Is there some other
therapy that we can add
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that may be can change
our chemistry naturally
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so we don't have to
take the risk of the medicine
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or do we have
to always be in it.
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Some people do need medication
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and some people
it's very useful for.
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But I think everyone deserves
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to get at the
bottom of the cause
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and I think in this world
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we just don't
talk to each other,
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we don't care about each other,
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we don't look for--
look beyond the surface
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and I think and
people that are out there
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if you might have
depression or think
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you might have you need someone
that really cares about you
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that will look beyond the
service that will make sure
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you don't have a
underlying medical problem,
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they will make sure you
don't have nutritional defects,
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they will make
sure you are exercising.
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And here's another
one, Charles, rest.
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Did you know that
that is a major treatment
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for depression because
when you are resting guess what,
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your stress chemistry goes down,
your inflammation goes down,
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your brain
starts to think better,
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it can function better.
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So just that the
pure process of rest
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and again that's
another biblical treatment.
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You know, you work
six days, you rest a day.
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We were originally
designed to rest at night.
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As we violate these
laws that God has given us
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there is a chemical consequence.
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You know, there might
be a chemical consequence
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to your knee if you
never rest your knee.
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Well it's only in intuitive
that if we don't rest our brain
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there is going to be
some chemical changes to that.
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We just wear the brain
out, and the brain wears out
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and all these neurocircuitry
that we've talked about
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it changes for the bad.
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We make the bad chemicals
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and not enough
the good chemicals.
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So I can--I don't know
if anyone that gets worst
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when they had a
goodnights rest either.
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Yes, absolutely.
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We need also
realize that the way
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God response to our
prayer when we have figured out
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that God is a loving God
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and He has our
best interest in heart
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and He is not out to destroy us.
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How God responses,
we need to make sure
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that we realize
that it may be in a book,
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it may be through
the words of a friend,
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it may be in a
sermon, it may be in a song.
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If we go into a church service,
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if we go into a
relationship with someone
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with the thought I am gonna be
listening for God to talk to me.
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I am gonna be listening for God
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to give me some
kind of information here,
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in this relationship, in
this book what I am reading,
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in this television
program that I am watching
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which gives you an idea
that we need to be watching
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some really good
television programs
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like here on 3ABN.
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If I am in a receptive mode
to God's response to my prayer
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it's amazing how God response.
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It is--it is incredible
the ways God use to do.
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Some people pray and
they will wait for the answer.
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They sit back and
wait when is it coming,
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when is it coming.
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They listen to
the still small voice
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that God really want to
use the voice of a friend,
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the voice of the
preacher of church,
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the voice of someone
on television, in a book.
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We need to be
open to that. Yeah.
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So when we pray God here
is my problem, please help me.
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Then we start
looking around for the answer
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and not wait for it to
come to us we start going to it.
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What do you think?
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That's great, Charles,
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and you know like we
talk about relationship
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and my relationship with you
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is different than I
might have with anyone else
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but God works through
relationship with you.
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And it's just--you
know, that's why I am hoping
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some people that
will be watching today
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will learn something more
about this subject of depression
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even though I am
not a psychiatrist,
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you are not a psychiatrists.
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We are not
psychologists but we want people
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to think about
this important subject
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because so many
people do have down science,
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you know, depression
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and unfortunately lots
of people are on medicines.
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Were might be something like,
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did you know that people that
have the symptoms of depression
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and seven of ten people
there might be something
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as simple as they are
missing the genetic thing
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to make folic acid.
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You know something like that.
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Like L-Methylfolate
or some healthy foods
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with those things that
can help the brain function.
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It might be something
as increasing the ceriatone
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or going outdoors,
it might be cognitive,
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it might be
just having a friend,
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it might be
because you are lonely,
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it might because you
had trauma in your life,
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it might because
you are not sleeping
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but it's usually
what I found out, Charles,
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it's usually just not one thing.
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It's usually a
little bit of this,
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a little bit of
that, a little bit of that,
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and before you know
you have crossed the line.
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And then if you can sort
of lower each one of these
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and the person can
start feeling better.
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Well let's go to some questions
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here on the
heartwiseministries.org website.
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You've answered
some of them already
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and it says is
here, is there any way
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to come off
medications for depression?
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If you want to come off
medication for depression
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you just drop the medication
and hope for the best?
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How do you come of
medication for depression?
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Now just think about
this for a second, okay.
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Do drug companies ever want you
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to come of from
medication? Absolutely not.
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Not when there are so
many people taking them.
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And sometimes these
medications prompt a side effect
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where you need
anther medication.
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The doctor it takes
times to get you off medication
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or some of them don't
want you off medication either.
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The only one that
really wants you off
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from medication is probably you.
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So it does have to come
with doctor's supervision.
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If you are
having suicidal thoughts
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or helplessness it
might not be the best thing
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unless you got them.
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But you know in
milder cases of depression
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it is possible be off
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especially if you
make these other changes.
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We know that
people that--that exercise
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and get out in the sun
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that's just as
effective for the treating
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this depression as a medication.
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So why not, so let me,
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you know, gradually
triturate this medicine down
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and substitute
these types of things,
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may be L-Methylfolate,
may be some, you know,
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some almonds and walnuts that
have omega three fatty acids.
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May be some
exercise, rest and water,
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may be a little more
worship and see how you feel
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and may be you feel so good
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that you don't need that
depression medicine anymore.
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Then guess what?
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You can come off of it.
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Unfortunately some of
these depression medicines
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have bad side effects.
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Some of the when
mixed with other medications
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change the rhythms of the heart
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and it can make
dangerous rhythms
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we call that the QTC interval.
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Sometimes that can
cause dangerous rhythms,
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sometimes it can
create greater mood disorders.
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Some of these
psychiatric medicines
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for depression have also been
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associated with
increasing the rate of suicide.
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So if you can be off of
these with cognitive therapy
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or any other therapy
sometimes it's worth it.
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Now one thing I
wanted to talk about is
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this new field that's
coming cutting edge of medicine.
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It's where they give
magnetic pluses to the brain
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and they can target
different part of the brain.
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And what this does is it
causes the neurons to change
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and release different chemicals
in different connections
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and sometimes
that can help people
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that have depression as well.
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So there is lots of
different ways we can help
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and in my opinion that
might even be safer than a pill
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because other
than the pocket book
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it doesn't have a lot
of long term side effects.
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But every out there
as far as depression goes
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I want you to think
about it look for answers
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don't just accept a
pill and talk about it.
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Look at these other
modes that we have out there
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including nutrition, lifestyle,
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especially look at worship,
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talk to your doctor
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see if it is possible
you can be off medicines.
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Make sure your medicines
aren't interactive dangerously
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and if a medication
is making you feel worse,
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you know, sometimes the
medicine makes you feel worse.
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Raise your hand
and get off of that.
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Yeah, absolutely.
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I think its so
important that we realize
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that depression is serious.
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It is not something
that we just have to tolerate
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and may be it will go
away because it may not.
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I think that we
need to begin as a people
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and especially people of
God to start use using the tools
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that God has put there for us.
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Try that the change in the diet
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and the fresh
air and the sunshine
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and the rest try
to cover the place
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where you realize that these
problems that you are facing
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are the result of sin,
that many of them are normal
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because who wants to
live in a sinful world
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and see the awful
things that take place.
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But we have to realize that
we do have a God that loves us.
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A God that wants to save us
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and God who is preparing
a place for us in heaven
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after we get through of
this very depressing world.
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When we come back,
we will talk to that God
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so stay tuned.
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You know, we have been
talking about depression today
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on the Ultimate Prescription.
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And this is something
that is a major problem
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in the entire world
now and if you think back
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years and years and years ago
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some how we didn't
hear much about depression.
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You know, we didn't
treat everyone with medication.
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Somehow we worked it
out a little bit better.
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And there's got
to be better ways
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to treat depression than pills.
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However, some people really
need the pills to stay well.
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And if you are
suffering with depression
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I want you to
consider some of the things
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we talked about today.
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The lifestyle changes
like, eating a healthy diet,
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exercise, getting enough
rest, eating a plant based diet,
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try to stay away from the stats
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which can
contribute inflammation.
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Look at the things in your life
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that might be
causing inflammation
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which could
also hurt your brain.
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Look at your life and
see if there is trauma
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but more important than that
I want to also encourage you
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to come back to worship.
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Worship and change your brain.
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Talk to God about this,
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let Him work this
depression out in your life.
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And for those who are
out there with depression
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I want to invite you
to go to our website.
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We will be happy to pray
with you, to meet with you.
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Our website is
heartwiseministries.org
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and we are going to have
a prayer for you, right now.
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Shall we bow our heads?
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Heavenly Father, there
are many others out there
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that are depressed.
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Father, we need your help.
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Show us the way to get help
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and that come
out of this, Father.
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And we know that it is a place
for modern medicine in lifestyle
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but we want You to be
the ultimate physician
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that will lead us
into health and to healing.
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We want to thank
You for Your grace
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and Your love and
all the grate suggestions
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You given in the Bible.
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This is our
prayer together. Amen.
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We want to thank
you for joining us
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in the ultimate physician
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and this is how
we make our program.
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This is when you
write us in the websites
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or give us a line
heartwiseministiries.org
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and we wish you
the best of health,
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with God leading the way.
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