Welcome back to the program.
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I'm Charles Mills
here with Dr. James Marcum.
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We are taking
about brains today.
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And Dr. Marcum,
you have given us
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some incredible
things to think about here,
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the connection between
our worship of the true God
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and the health
that we can enjoy.
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That it's vital that we do one
before we can enjoy the other
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that go hand in hand there.
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What in your
research have you discovered
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to be something that we can do
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to increase our
benefits we get from worship?
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Cannibals worship, every
religion in the world worships,
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why do we need to worship
and what can we do to make sure
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that the worship
that we are taking part in
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is the correct worship?
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That can change your chemistry
with that type of worship.
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And not the worship that hurts
our chemistry. That's right.
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And nowadays we
look at all the--
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it's always really
been about worship.
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Think about the Garden of Eden,
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to worshipped the
true God or the false God?
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Daniel, did they
worship the statue in the field
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or did they
worship the true God?
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Well, evidently they worshiped
the true God, you know.
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And that is why the devil has
made it so hard to worship God,
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because he has put
these false gods out here,
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he has put all these
false ideas out there,
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the devil knows this.
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And he wants to
make us sick too,
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And he wants to make us sick,
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so he says if I
can get to their brain,
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if I can get to their thoughts.
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If I can get to
their heart in this case,
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I can make it
impossible for them
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to have the benefits of
worshiping the true God.
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And if God can get to
our brains you remember?
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You know, God look
us not on the outward,
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God look us on the heart,
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God sees disease and
illness not like we see it.
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God knows why? Exactly.
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He knows why. There you go.
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Disease is not
necessarily always physical.
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If you have a physical
anomaly that's one thing,
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but if you have a brain that God
doesn't know, that's a problem.
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But God can look
right into the brain
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at our whole time period,
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He can be anywhere He
wants and looks into our brain.
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He knows but He gives us that
choice to make with our brain,
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so it's been about
worship, even in Christ time,
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do you worship the
Christ, the true Christ
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or do you worship the
religious institutions.
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You look at our society today,
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we have so much else
going on, we are so busy.
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Do we take the time
to listen or do we have
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all these preconceived
notions about what health?
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Oh, preconceived notion that
we have to eat the healthy diet,
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is that where health is at?
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Is a preconceived
notion that we have to be
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on top of modern medicine or
exercise, is that where it's at?
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Or is it this in
conjunction with having a mind
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that God knows,
that God can change
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even if we have
some physical disease
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as long as we
have that going on,
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we are going to be safe.
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Now you talked about worship,
that's an excellent question.
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You know,
everyone, how do I worship?
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You know and some people find
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that their worship
experience is vested to church.
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Some find it in the word,
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but what about the
people that have never read
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or they are
functionally illiterate?
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Some people find it in
music but I would tell you
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as you honestly ask,
David asked, he asked.
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And in Matthew He
says, come in to Me, find Me,
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pray to Me, look
for Me, look for Me,
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and He is going to tell us,
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He is going to write this in
our heart, how to worship Him.
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And it might not be the way
we have been taught to worship
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but it might be unique
for you and unique for me.
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It's a relationship
and that relationship
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looks different
for different people.
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It's not the same for anybody.
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We are looking for a formula.
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We all want to have a formula
which says here A, B equals--
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but our formula needs
to begin with me. Right.
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Me plus whatever minus
whatever times whatever,
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it has to begin with me,
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so don't look for
complete answers out there,
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it begins in the heart. No.
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Yes, don't have
these preconceived notions.
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Let God do it for you.
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Let Him create
what He wants, you know.
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Create me a new
heart as the man think it.
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You know let God do it for you.
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You know, it's nothing
that you can do, it's a gift.
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Several times in the
scriptures it says it's a gift.
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Its something that's given,
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it's a gift that
you have to accept
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and you have there is--
when you accept the gift
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there are some
responsibilities too.
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You have to take care of
that gift and nurture that gift,
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that gift that
relationship and it develops.
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That's why I
think in all my heart
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that this
relationship we have with God.
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Now we have some chemistry,
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we have modern
science to prove it.
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I would love to do the studies
on different types of worship
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and see what's affected
especially in different types of
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you know, to see how
God would want this done
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and the science
is growing everyday.
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With these PET scans we can see
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the parts of the
brain getting bigger.
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We can see those neurons growing
in the prefrontal cortex.
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We can measure
these stress chemistries
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and see what the effect is.
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So every one that comes
to me with a brain problem,
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I want to think,
well, what's the cause
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and are they worshipping
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and even if they
don't understand that,
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I want them to at
least ask God for this help
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and engage with Him
even if they don't know
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what the
relationship looks like,
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we have to start somewhere.
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Now the evil one wants to take
us away from the relationship.
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He wants us to
live in a numb world.
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He wants us not to
talk to each other,
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just to not to, you know,
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he wants us to text
or informational highway
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get so busy that we
don't have time to listen,
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listen to that
still quite voice.
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You know
sometimes God talks to us
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like He is on
the way to Damascus,
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sometimes He has
got to get noisy,
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but sometimes He speaks in
that still quite voice to us
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and we hear that
voice and He says, you know,
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come in to me, worship me,
all you they are stressed out
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that have the
medulla firing away,
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damaging your body come disease
and I will give you this rest,
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I will give you
this chemical change
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and everything
might not be perfect
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but this is the place I would
start in improving the brain.
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Now if you look at
other biblical things
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that we have for the brain.
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We know that Adam and Eve they
worked a week and they rested.
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Rest is so
important for the brain.
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We know that there
are active exercise.
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Exercise and rest are
so important for the brain.
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We know that water is
important for the brain.
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We know that good nutrition,
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we know that what we've
talked about all this food
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that makes inflammation
makes the brain even worst.
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But to me it
doesn't make much sense
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to have a brain that
can create the disease.
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We are trying to prevent with
nutrition and everything else.
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We're just sort of
banging our head on the wall
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if we can't get at the cause
because God looks at our heart
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He looks at our brain,
that's where healing occurs.
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And I think that
sort of a new approach
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that some people just
don't add to the equation.
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We are not taught
that in medical school,
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we are not taught
that in modern health.
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But part of the reason
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we have so much
problems with our brains,
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we see the
dimensions, the toxins,
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the toxins themselves,
sure they hurt the brain
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but why are people
going to the toxins?
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Why is the
brain being destroyed,
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because that
stress part is turned on
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making all these stress chemical
that drives us to do things
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that we weren't designed to do.
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When we do those things
to deal with the stress,
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guess what
happens, bad things happen.
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So, you know,
you talk to me before
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about which comes
first, the chicken or the egg?
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Wow, that's a
little bit hard but David--
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David, when he was the sickest,
when he was the sickest,
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did the most sickest
thing a person could do.
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He cried out to God and says,
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listen, create
in me a new brain.
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I don't want that old brain
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that brain that focuses on
pleasing myself, avoiding pain,
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that brain that also
focuses on doing what's easiest.
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He knew he
didn't want that brain.
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He knew that he need a new brain
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and there is nothing
he could do to do that.
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He had to have
God do that for him
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and he ask for
it, he came to him
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and look at all
throughout the Psalms,
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he worshipped God and
despite all the things he did,
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all the sicknesses he had,
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he was a man
after God's own heart.
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And he would complain about God
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and he would
yell and scream at God
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and he had all these
psalms written where,
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you know, where are you,
are you gone and everything.
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But in the
freedom that love brings,
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in the freedom of his
relationship with God,
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he knew he was
safe in doing that.
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He could yell at God. He
could complain about God.
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He could say, where are you God,
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because there was something
growing in his brain physically
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when he learned to
love that true God,
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that allowed him
the freedom to question,
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the freedom to search,
the freedom to complain,
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the freedom to
worry but it was in that--
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the safety cocoon of Gods love,
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his brain was able to
accept his limitation,
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his brain was able to accept
the fact that he wasn't well.
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And what so cool
about this, Dr. Marcum
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and I'm loving
what you are saying here
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is that when we want
to be better than we are,
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when we want to take
that first step to health
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before we go to
the grocery store,
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before we read T.
Colin Campbell's book,
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before we read Esselstyn,
before we change our diet,
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before we do
any of these things,
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we need to take the time
to start worshipping the God
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who is the author of the truth.
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The author of health,
the author of the food,
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the author of T. Colin Campbell,
the author of humanity,
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because once we
begin that journey
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with God changing our brains,
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our brains are going
to have a better ability
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to do the right things,
to make the right choices,
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to go the right way,
to think the right way,
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to reason correctly,
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so that health becomes
something not only that we do,
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it becomes
something that we are.
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But it begins and you have said
this on this program many times,
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it begins with a
relationship with God
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and now after what you said here
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I fully understand
what you're talking about.
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Now the anterior cingulate,
the anterior cingulate,
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the ones we see
getting bigger in PET scans,
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and we see the bad that
stress part getting smaller that
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anterior cingulate
gives us that ability
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as it grows to love our enemies,
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to do things that we
weren't inclined to do
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because of the old brain it
says it's all about me, me, me,
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the selfish part of the brain,
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get smaller as the
anterior worship goes
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the love part of
the brain gets bigger
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and guess what
another prescription
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that we see in the Bible is love
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that anterior
cingulate cast out what?
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Fear, here it goes. Right.
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So as it gets
bigger as that worship,
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as that
relationship gets bigger,
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we are able to
love more like God
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not that we can ever be perfect
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but as that grows we
can love our enemies.
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We can do things
for the right reasons.
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We can take this
fear because we love
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and that's what
eliminates selfishness.
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We can't do it in
ourselves, it's a gift.
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It's something only God can do.
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We are not capable
of changing our brains.
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Ask David, ask Solomon,
we can't do it, it's a gift
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and all of these
guys in the past,
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these doctors in
the past knew that.
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So we have
preconceived notions today
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about how health
should really be.
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And, you know, I think there
are great notions that we have,
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but may be it's not the
key ingredient, you know.
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And just like Dr. Hippocrates
had preconceived notions
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about where the
center of reasoning is,
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may be each one of us
has preconceived notions
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about where health really starts
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and that's why
until the day I die,
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I'm going to be
triumphing and learning
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about how God can
create in us a new mind
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and it might not look like
the way we think it should look.
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Because, you know, again
if it was working so well,
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wouldn't more and more
people become Christians,
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wouldn't more and more,
we see more and more people
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coming to this as a
solution for health?
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No, we are not seeing that,
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so we have to
come up with new ideas,
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new ways to get
people to understand worship.
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And through people's health,
that's the way we can do that.
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And also just folding right
into what you were saying there.
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We have really got to
study into what is God,
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the true character of God
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because if we are
worshipping wrong,
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there is benefit to all worship
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but if you are not
worshipping the God--
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We can optimize it. We
can optimize it, absolutely.
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Very, very important things.
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I just--I think of
Christ hanging on the cross
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looking down at the people
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and then I say, how
can He forgive them?
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How can He, how can He
hang there and realize that--
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that these
people are murdering Him
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and yet He loves them anyway?
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That's how His brain
was developed in such a way
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that He saw differently,
He looked beyond their acts,
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beyond their murderous threats,
beyond their angry words
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and He looked and said,
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those are my
children, I love them.
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And only a
heart that is healthy,
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a heart that is
healthy with the love of God
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and the worship of God
has the ability of doing that.
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Stay tuned, we
will be right back
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with a conversation
with that God, don't go away.
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I hope our discussion
today has opened up your mind
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to some new ways to
think about your health,
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a new ways to think
about making your mind better.
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And now we have science again,
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once again show that
the word of God is true.
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Create in me a
new brain, a new mind.
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And watch what
the chemistry can do
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when we start to do this
and how did David do that?
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He asked for it,
create in me something new.
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And then in Matthew He says,
come in to me and worship me.
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So we have to find a
way for each one of us
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to worship and find out
also who the true God is.
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Then we can start
seeing our chemistry change,
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our anterior
cingulate gets bigger,
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then we can do things
that we are not able to do
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with that old
reptilian brain of ours.
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We can love our enemies.
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We can eat the right
foods a little bit easier.
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We can love one and another
a lot better than before.
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And all this will caste out fear
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which also makes
our chemistry better.
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Sure, we might have diseases
like diabetes and cancer
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and heart diseases
but when we do this,
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we are going to
have that healing
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where God looks in us and says,
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I know you, at some point
I'm going to heal you perfectly.
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That is the
ultimate prescription.
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Let's pray together.
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Father God, You have
given us special insights today
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and we want to apply
them to our lives and others.
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Father, just
come into our hearts
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and teach us about worship
and teach us how to follow You
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more closely is
our prayer, amen.
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I want to thank you
for joining us today
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on the Ultimate Prescription.
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If you might have a question,
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our website is
heartwiseministries.org.
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You can leave your questions,
I will be happy to answer them.
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Until next time continue
worshipping the true God.
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