Participants: James Marcum & Charles Mills
Series Code: UP
Program Code: UP00029B
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00:01 Welcome back to the program.
00:02 I'm Charles Mills here with the Dr. James Marcum. 00:03 We're talking about hearts today. 00:06 And we're looking at some of the questions 00:07 that have come into heartwiseministries.org 00:09 on the subject of hearts. 00:11 One of the most important questions I think that has come 00:15 in is what is happening in heart care. 00:20 We know we have a problem, number one killer, 00:23 well, arguably number one killer over medications 00:26 but arguably number one killer. 00:28 We have a problem with heart disease and we want to know 00:31 what's going on to help us fight heart disease. 00:35 You already mentioned that food is important. 00:38 On the medical part, on the scientific part, 00:41 is there something we need to know about. 00:42 Well, you know, we are improving the way 00:45 we bypass around vessels that people would have symptoms. 00:48 We've got magic devices if the heart 00:51 just stops suddenly, they are called defibrillators 00:53 and when we have an external defibrillator 00:55 that some people might see in airports, 00:58 they might see them in schools, 01:00 they might see them in hospitals. 01:01 We have internal defibrillators that can literally 01:05 be in ambulance with you and you put 01:07 that under the stent. This is cool. 01:09 I've heard about this because 01:10 this can be programmed from outside. 01:12 That's right, they can be and they help 01:14 keep the heart going. 01:16 If they have a dangerous rhythm, 01:17 a faster that can shock the heart back in the rhythm. 01:20 It has a pacemaker in this, but this device 01:23 is really good for damage control. 01:25 Absolutely. It doesn't prevent the problem, 01:27 it doesn't necessarily help the problem from getting worse 01:30 but if it's life threatening, this can take care of you too. 01:33 I see this is where modern medicine is so cool. 01:35 Yes, emergencies, we're right there for you. 01:37 Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've got 01:38 some great medicines are there, of course for some people 01:41 depending on the problems, we can put new parts 01:45 in people literally with transplants. 01:47 If people have congenital disease 01:49 we can fix their valves in that. 01:51 So modern medicine does a lot of good things 01:53 but I think the next revolution in healthcare is as I said, 01:58 it's not gonna be a pacemaker, it's not gonna be a new device. 02:01 What it's gonna be we've already seen it. 02:03 Now I'm gonna ask you question, Charles. 02:05 A 100 years ago if I would have said, you know-- 02:09 You are asking me about 100 years ago. 02:10 Yeah, about a 100 years ago-- 02:11 How old you think I look? 02:12 No, no, no you're not 100. 02:13 Okay. But if you were 100 02:14 and a 100 years ago and you went back 02:16 what would you think about people said, 02:18 you know, I want to eat a vegetarian diet, 02:20 what do you think people would say? 02:21 Well, probably people would say, 02:23 well, why would you want to do that because 02:24 that's what poor people do it. 02:25 Right, they would laugh at you. 02:27 Yeah, absolutely. They would laugh at you, 02:28 you know. And you look back in medicine 02:31 and 200 years ago if you were doctor, 02:34 didn't put leeches on people 02:35 you were bad doctor. 02:37 I don't want to go to you, you don't use leeches. 02:40 But I use it very latest leeches. 02:41 Yeah, in 1935 in the Journal of American Medical Association 02:45 for asthma they used, recommend the cigarette 02:48 and if you didn't recommend cigarettes you were bad doctor. 02:51 You know, and of course in heart disease, 02:55 you know, if you didn't have a stent or bypass, 02:57 if you didn't recommended that you are bad doctor. 03:00 But the next revolution of healthcare 03:02 is gonna come from the food we eat, the diet. 03:04 Letting people know that they can halt 03:06 heart disease and reverse it. 03:08 Dr. Esselstyn, Dr. T. Colin Campbell, 03:11 these gentlemen are on the cutting edge of research. 03:14 And now we're talking about it. 03:16 Hundred years ago it was laughed out. 03:18 Now it's been talked about. 03:20 In 100 more years we're gonna look back and say, 03:23 hey, these guys were right where it's at, 03:25 this is the way, you know, this is the way 03:26 we prevent disease, it's also way we prevent disease. 03:30 So you gonna see nutrition, 03:32 you know, we're gonna say, 03:33 you know, this Dr, Hippocrates was right all along. 03:36 Let food be thy medicine. 03:38 So not only be thy medicine but food can also hurt us. 03:41 So we're gonna have a whole new revolution of the way 03:44 we think about cardiovascular disease 03:46 and then they are gonna look at you and say, 03:47 listen, we have some test now, 03:49 we can see if your plaques are active in you. 03:52 We can see if they are metabolically active, 03:54 see if you have dangerous plaques 03:56 Oh, man, Charles, you've got some dangerous 03:58 plaques here and here. 03:59 You better get this fat out of your diet very quickly 04:02 before one of those plaques explode and cause heart attack. 04:05 You better do this right away, 04:06 so they're gonna measure these inflammatory markers, 04:09 these leukotrienes, these cytokines. 04:11 We already measuring the risk a little bit with things 04:14 likes C-reactive protein, we measure lipoproteins, 04:18 but we really gonna get people's attention say, 04:20 listen, you know, we have cholesterol medicines 04:22 but in addition to this, we want you to have a walnut, 04:25 we want you to have an almond, we want you to move 04:27 this fat and cheese out of you 'cause you eat 04:29 that and we can see what it's doing inside you. 04:31 That's gonna be the next revolution. 04:33 Now are we gonna do this as a country 04:37 or is it gonna be some big study done? 04:39 No. It's gonna come on individuals and thank goodness 04:43 we have the internet, programs like this 04:46 where we can get a lot of information 04:47 out for lot of people. 04:49 And if they don't believe it just try yourself. 04:51 If you start eating well, all of your blood vessels 04:54 get more blood and oxygen, you start thinking better, 04:57 your heart starts doing better, 04:58 you start functioning better elsewhere, 05:01 you legs feel better, your color gets better, 05:03 your skins gets better, everything gets better 05:05 when there is good blood going to the body. 05:08 It is amazing to hear a-- 05:09 So that's gonna be the revolution. 05:10 It is amazing to hear a cardiologist say these things. 05:13 I want to just-- want to say thank you for-- 05:15 Well, you know, a lot of people would 05:16 but we weren't trained, you know, less than 5% 05:19 of all medical schools teach nutrition and the once 05:23 that do don't do it correctly. 05:24 They don't go the next step, you know, and that's, you know, 05:27 I guess the revolution really started back at creation. 05:31 Well, that was in the revolution 05:33 but how about Daniel's day, 05:34 you remember that story? Absolutely. 05:35 You know, he and his fellows there, 05:38 you know, after a short period of time 05:40 were 10 times smarter, so let's say the king's guy 05:43 had IQs of 120, where does that take Daniel. 05:46 You know, yeah, and his friends. 05:48 But I think it was more than medicine, 05:50 I also think it was about worship too. 05:52 So I think there was multiple factors but here God 05:55 told this to us all along. 05:57 Now science is coming back to it, 05:59 you know, why didn't we just started 06:01 in the first place, I don't know. 06:03 It is so wonderful to hear a science saying, 06:06 you know, God is right. 06:08 What God said is correct. 06:11 That for every Christian 06:13 that has to be a very affirming thing, 06:16 but I have a problem because many Christians 06:19 have the same ills as non-Christians, 06:21 there doesn't seem to be a demarcation line between 06:24 those who love God and those who don't love God 06:26 as far as health is concern. 06:28 So it's not the Christianity, it's not that you 06:31 are a Christian that's making the difference. 06:32 It's what you are actually doing and using 06:35 those Christian principles that God put in place in Eden, 06:37 that's making the difference. 06:38 Yeah, and there is real science behind each one of those. 06:40 Okay, you mentioned that one of the things 06:45 you can do for your heart is a defibrillator. 06:47 And I want to say this because a lot of people 06:49 are afraid if someone is having a heart attack 06:52 and they want to be helped 06:54 and there is one of these hanging around. 06:57 how does it work and what can you do with it? 06:59 Yeah, if someone passes out, 07:00 okay, what you need to do is call 911 get help, 07:04 so other people are coming. 07:06 These tell you exactly where they go. 07:08 You rip the shirt off real quick. 07:09 I'm not gonna do that to you. 07:11 It shows right where they go. 07:13 All right. One goes here, 07:14 one goes on the back. 07:15 So you rip those apart, you put in on those places. 07:18 Okay. You just hit the on button. 07:20 Yeah. And it analysis it. 07:21 It tells you what to do, and it will shock 07:23 you if you need the shock 07:24 and if you don't need that's all you do. 07:26 It makes the decisions for you. It does everything. 07:28 All you got to do is put these babies 07:30 on and turn this on and that will do the rest for you. 07:33 So they these in airplanes, 07:34 they have these in some companies, businesses-- 07:36 Churches, lots of places have these. 07:38 And all you have to do is do that, 07:39 it could save a life and you just got to be brave enough 07:42 to go out and do, you can't do any harm, you know-- 07:45 Okay, that's good to know. 07:46 You can't hurt anybody by doing it, 07:47 'cause, you know, if you don't do it, you know, 07:50 you get about five or six minutes before the brain 07:52 doesn't get enough blood and then you go brain dead. 07:55 So this help save lots of people. 07:57 All right, very good. 07:58 Another question that came in, 08:00 it has to do with some herbs. 08:01 Can hawthorn be used to treat the heart. 08:04 Now what is hawthorn and what we're 08:06 talking about here. There is a lot of magic things 08:07 that are out there to treat the heart. 08:09 There is, you know, of course I like to treat 08:11 the heart best with lifestyle changes, 08:13 exercise, stress, exercise. 08:15 There is modern medicine if you're having symptoms. 08:17 But there are also things that have symptoms, 08:19 hawthorn is one of them. 08:21 It's been around in Europe for a long time. 08:23 This actually helps the heart and I think 08:25 of some of the flavonoids and antioxidants 08:27 but it also can make a heart beat better 08:29 and it's use it's not a prescription medicines, 08:32 but this is one that's actually been studied 08:33 and a few patients I've had on it. 08:35 Now I don't take them off other medicines for weak heart 08:38 but usually this is add on in addition. 08:40 So hawthorn is something that's used. 08:42 When it comes to herbs you have that someone 08:45 that knows it very well, 'cause I consider herbs 08:47 in the same classification as medicines. 08:49 You said this before, yes, yeah. 08:50 And they have this interactions in a lot of our plant, 08:53 a lot of our medicines came from herbs. 08:55 So you really have someone that understands 08:57 it and also to look to the science for use on it. 09:00 Because a lot of stuff on the internet 09:02 claims to do great things. 09:04 Well, hawthorn is one that's been looked into. 09:06 You have to also get it from a company that's very reputable 09:09 'cause these are not regulated. 09:12 So we don't really know what's in here. 09:13 The drug companies don't have to, 09:15 you know, they are not regulate that's the drug company, 09:17 so we don't really know what's in this. 09:18 But hawthorn is one that used in people with weak hearts. 09:21 And but I wouldn't take it without talking to your doctor 09:24 and also looking at the other medicines 09:26 'cause you want these other medicines 09:27 that can help a weak heart as well. 09:29 I think one of the questions here that came 09:33 into heartwiseministies.org is reflective 09:36 of what a lot of people think and wonder. 09:40 The question was, are stents and bypasses risky? 09:44 Now of course any time you crack open someone's chest 09:47 or you send something up into an artery and you inflate 09:49 there or put the stent or whatever, 09:51 these are risky business but is the very act 09:54 of doing that to your artery risk. 09:56 Does it carry some dangers? 09:57 Well, everything that we do in life has risk 10:00 as well as benefits and doctors 10:03 are in the risk management business. 10:05 So if a person is having a catastrophic symptom, 10:07 a heart attack, if they are at high risk, 10:09 bypass is sometimes recommended. 10:11 There were about 500,000 bypasses 10:14 done last year in the United States. 10:15 The risk of dying during is about 1.5%, 10:18 so about 15,000 people will dies from the procedure itself 10:22 from all the complications that go with it. 10:25 There are about a million stents placed 10:28 in United States last year. 10:29 And of those million stents about 10,000 people died. 10:33 So that's 25,000 people dying from those two procedures. 10:37 If 25,000 people die per year from anything 10:40 you would consider that pretty-- 10:42 Absolutely. Absolutely. 10:43 Not to mention the trauma. 10:44 I think it's pretty traumatic when someone pulls open to that, 10:47 pulls veins out of legs and bypasses on. 10:50 I consider that pretty major 10:52 and pretty traumatic and pretty invasive. 10:54 So when I ask someone said, maybe eat 10:56 little bit more vegetables and bean soup. 10:58 I don't consider that that invasive. 11:01 You know, you see what I'm saying. 11:02 And much more tasty. Yeah, 11:03 and the risk of that, the real thing 11:05 is we want to prevent that taking these risk 11:07 if we don't have to. 11:09 And if I can find one or two people 11:10 that will gradually change their diet or their stress, 11:13 so they exercise from, they might prevent 11:15 taking these risks where people actually die 11:18 from having these things done. 11:19 So if we could-- preventing the problem 11:21 is much better than dealing with all these thing. 11:22 But there is risk to any procedure out 11:24 there carry some risk. 11:26 And when I recommend these things I say, 11:28 Charles, you know, is the risk worth the benefit. 11:31 And a lot of the benefits is improving the symptoms. 11:34 So you have a better quality of life, 11:35 so you can exercise, so you do have time 11:38 to figure out what caused it to happen. 11:40 So you have to always look at the risk and benefit, 11:43 but these procedures that we are doing today 11:45 do carry risk with them. 11:48 And some people think there is no risk. 11:49 Oh, you know, I had some people, 11:51 oh, it fixes me, it fixes me. 11:53 Well, that's the marketing. 11:55 It doesn't fix you. 11:56 And that's what people have to understand. 11:58 These procedures, these medicines 12:00 don't fix the problem, they just treat the symptoms. 12:02 Now we can greatly improve the symptoms 12:04 that will enable you to do things to possibly slow down 12:08 disease or reverse the disease. 12:10 These are important words for us to hear 12:12 today about our hearts. 12:13 We have a chance, we have an opportunity 12:16 to make a difference in our health 12:19 but we need to make those choices. 12:21 We need to decide that we're trying 12:23 to do it according to God's health plan, 12:26 I like to try God's health plan there. 12:28 We'll take a short break and when we come back 12:29 a conversation with that God. Stay tuned. 12:39 Well, there's a few things that everyone has to take home 12:42 from this program today. 12:44 One is cardiovascular disease can be silent. 12:48 We might not even know we have it, 12:50 but there is things we can do before we have a symptom, 12:53 things that we can do, look at our life, 12:56 see if we're under a lot of stress, 12:58 look at our nutrition, make sure 12:59 we're getting the fats out of our diet 13:01 and get out and do some movement or exercise. 13:05 If you are having a symptom 13:07 that's where modern medicine can really help. 13:09 See your doctor especially 13:11 if you are having pain on exertion. 13:12 And remember in this book right here, 13:15 there is a lots of prescriptions that can change your chemistry. 13:19 Open this book, read about the stories, 13:22 read about all the wonderful things that happened at creation 13:25 that God kept His people well through all generations. 13:28 Read about the story of Daniel. 13:30 And if you might be suffering from cardiovascular disease 13:33 or have a loved one, I want to just have 13:35 a prayer with you right now. 13:36 We want to acknowledge the ultimate physician 13:39 as the real healer in our lives. 13:41 Let's just bow our heads. 13:43 Father God, as we talked about the heart 13:45 and we talked about your health and your book, 13:47 we always want to acknowledge you as the ultimate healer 13:50 in our lives, Father. 13:51 Help us to look to you first when it comes to our healthcare 13:54 and ask you for the answers. 13:56 And if there might be someone out there, Father, 13:58 that's suffering from heart disease, 13:59 we want to pray that you heal them and lead them 14:02 to the healing people and things that they do in their lives 14:05 is our humble prayer, amen. 14:09 Thank you for joining us once again 14:11 on the Ultimate Prescription. 14:13 If you have any questions or concerns, 14:14 we have a website, we're here to serve you. 14:16 Go to our website that's heartwiseministries.org. 14:21 Send us your prayer request. 14:22 We're gonna be praying for you and your health in the future. 14:26 Remember the ultimate physician 14:27 is where we must start first in our healthcare. |
Revised 2014-12-17