Welcome back to the program.
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I'm Charles Mills here
with the Dr. James Marcum.
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We're talking
about hearts today.
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And we're looking at
some of the questions
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that have come into
heartwiseministries.org
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on the subject of hearts.
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One of the most important
questions I think that has come
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in is what is
happening in heart care.
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We know we have a
problem, number one killer,
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well, arguably number
one killer over medications
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but arguably number one killer.
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We have a problem with heart
disease and we want to know
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what's going on to
help us fight heart disease.
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You already mentioned
that food is important.
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On the medical part,
on the scientific part,
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is there something
we need to know about.
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Well, you know, we
are improving the way
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we bypass around vessels
that people would have symptoms.
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We've got magic
devices if the heart
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just stops suddenly,
they are called defibrillators
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and when we have an
external defibrillator
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that some people
might see in airports,
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they might see them in schools,
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they might see
them in hospitals.
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We have internal defibrillators
that can literally
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be in ambulance
with you and you put
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that under the
stent. This is cool.
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I've heard about this because
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this can be
programmed from outside.
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That's right, they
can be and they help
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keep the heart going.
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If they have a dangerous rhythm,
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a faster that can shock
the heart back in the rhythm.
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It has a pacemaker
in this, but this device
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is really good
for damage control.
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Absolutely. It
doesn't prevent the problem,
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it doesn't necessarily help
the problem from getting worse
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but if it's life threatening,
this can take care of you too.
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I see this is where
modern medicine is so cool.
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Yes, emergencies,
we're right there for you.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, we've got
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some great medicines are
there, of course for some people
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depending on the
problems, we can put new parts
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in people
literally with transplants.
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If people have
congenital disease
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we can fix their valves in that.
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So modern medicine
does a lot of good things
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but I think the next revolution
in healthcare is as I said,
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it's not gonna be a pacemaker,
it's not gonna be a new device.
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What it's gonna be
we've already seen it.
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Now I'm gonna ask
you question, Charles.
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A 100 years ago if I
would have said, you know--
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You are asking me
about 100 years ago.
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Yeah, about a 100 years ago--
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How old you think I look?
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No, no, no you're not 100.
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Okay. But if you were 100
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and a 100 years
ago and you went back
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what would you
think about people said,
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you know, I want to
eat a vegetarian diet,
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what do you
think people would say?
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Well, probably people would say,
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well, why would you
want to do that because
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that's what poor people do it.
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Right, they would laugh at you.
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Yeah, absolutely.
They would laugh at you,
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you know. And you
look back in medicine
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and 200 years ago
if you were doctor,
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didn't put leeches on people
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you were bad doctor.
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I don't want to go to
you, you don't use leeches.
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But I use it
very latest leeches.
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Yeah, in 1935 in the Journal
of American Medical Association
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for asthma they used,
recommend the cigarette
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and if you didn't recommend
cigarettes you were bad doctor.
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You know, and of
course in heart disease,
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you know, if you
didn't have a stent or bypass,
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if you didn't recommended
that you are bad doctor.
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But the next
revolution of healthcare
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is gonna come from
the food we eat, the diet.
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Letting people
know that they can halt
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heart disease and reverse it.
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Dr. Esselstyn,
Dr. T. Colin Campbell,
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these gentlemen are on
the cutting edge of research.
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And now we're talking about it.
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Hundred years ago
it was laughed out.
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Now it's been talked about.
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In 100 more years we're
gonna look back and say,
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hey, these guys
were right where it's at,
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this is the way, you
know, this is the way
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we prevent disease, it's
also way we prevent disease.
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So you gonna see nutrition,
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you know, we're gonna say,
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you know, this Dr,
Hippocrates was right all along.
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Let food be thy medicine.
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So not only be thy medicine
but food can also hurt us.
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So we're gonna have a
whole new revolution of the way
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we think about
cardiovascular disease
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and then they are
gonna look at you and say,
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listen, we have some test now,
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we can see if your
plaques are active in you.
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We can see if they
are metabolically active,
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see if you have
dangerous plaques
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Oh, man, Charles,
you've got some dangerous
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plaques here and here.
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You better get this fat
out of your diet very quickly
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before one of those plaques
explode and cause heart attack.
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You better do this right away,
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so they're gonna measure
these inflammatory markers,
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these
leukotrienes, these cytokines.
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We already measuring the
risk a little bit with things
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likes C-reactive protein,
we measure lipoproteins,
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but we really gonna
get people's attention say,
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listen, you know, we
have cholesterol medicines
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but in addition to this,
we want you to have a walnut,
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we want you to have an
almond, we want you to move
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this fat and cheese
out of you 'cause you eat
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that and we can see
what it's doing inside you.
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That's gonna be
the next revolution.
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Now are we gonna
do this as a country
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or is it gonna be
some big study done?
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No. It's gonna come on
individuals and thank goodness
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we have the
internet, programs like this
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where we can get
a lot of information
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out for lot of people.
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And if they don't
believe it just try yourself.
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If you start eating
well, all of your blood vessels
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get more blood and oxygen,
you start thinking better,
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your heart starts doing better,
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you start
functioning better elsewhere,
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you legs feel better,
your color gets better,
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your skins gets
better, everything gets better
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when there is good
blood going to the body.
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It is amazing to hear a--
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So that's gonna
be the revolution.
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It is amazing to hear a
cardiologist say these things.
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I want to just-- want
to say thank you for--
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Well, you know, a
lot of people would
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but we weren't
trained, you know, less than 5%
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of all medical schools
teach nutrition and the once
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that do don't do it correctly.
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They don't go the next step,
you know, and that's, you know,
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I guess the revolution
really started back at creation.
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Well, that was in the revolution
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but how about Daniel's day,
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you remember that
story? Absolutely.
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You know, he and
his fellows there,
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you know, after a
short period of time
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were 10 times smarter,
so let's say the king's guy
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had IQs of 120, where
does that take Daniel.
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You know, yeah, and his friends.
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But I think it was
more than medicine,
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I also think it
was about worship too.
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So I think there was
multiple factors but here God
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told this to us all along.
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Now science is
coming back to it,
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you know, why
didn't we just started
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in the first
place, I don't know.
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It is so wonderful to
hear a science saying,
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you know, God is right.
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What God said is correct.
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That for every Christian
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that has to be a
very affirming thing,
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but I have a problem
because many Christians
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have the same
ills as non-Christians,
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there doesn't seem to be
a demarcation line between
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those who love God and
those who don't love God
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as far as health is concern.
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So it's not the
Christianity, it's not that you
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are a Christian
that's making the difference.
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It's what you are
actually doing and using
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those Christian principles
that God put in place in Eden,
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that's making the difference.
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Yeah, and there is real science
behind each one of those.
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Okay, you mentioned
that one of the things
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you can do for your
heart is a defibrillator.
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And I want to say this
because a lot of people
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are afraid if someone
is having a heart attack
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and they want to be helped
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and there is one of
these hanging around.
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how does it work and
what can you do with it?
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Yeah, if someone passes out,
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okay, what you need to
do is call 911 get help,
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so other people are coming.
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These tell you
exactly where they go.
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You rip the
shirt off real quick.
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I'm not gonna do that to you.
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It shows right where they go.
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All right. One goes here,
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one goes on the back.
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So you rip those apart,
you put in on those places.
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Okay. You just
hit the on button.
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Yeah. And it analysis it.
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It tells you what to
do, and it will shock
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you if you need the shock
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and if you don't
need that's all you do.
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It makes the decisions
for you. It does everything.
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All you got to do
is put these babies
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on and turn this on and
that will do the rest for you.
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So they these in airplanes,
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they have these in
some companies, businesses--
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Churches, lots of
places have these.
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And all you have
to do is do that,
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it could save a life and
you just got to be brave enough
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to go out and do, you
can't do any harm, you know--
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Okay, that's good to know.
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You can't hurt
anybody by doing it,
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'cause, you know, if
you don't do it, you know,
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you get about five or
six minutes before the brain
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doesn't get enough blood
and then you go brain dead.
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So this help
save lots of people.
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All right, very good.
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Another question that came in,
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it has to do with some herbs.
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Can hawthorn be
used to treat the heart.
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Now what is
hawthorn and what we're
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talking about here.
There is a lot of magic things
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that are out there
to treat the heart.
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There is, you know,
of course I like to treat
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the heart best
with lifestyle changes,
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exercise, stress, exercise.
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There is modern medicine
if you're having symptoms.
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But there are also
things that have symptoms,
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hawthorn is one of them.
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It's been around in
Europe for a long time.
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This actually helps
the heart and I think
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of some of the
flavonoids and antioxidants
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but it also can
make a heart beat better
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and it's use it's not
a prescription medicines,
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but this is one
that's actually been studied
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and a few
patients I've had on it.
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Now I don't take them off
other medicines for weak heart
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but usually this
is add on in addition.
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So hawthorn is
something that's used.
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When it comes to
herbs you have that someone
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that knows it very
well, 'cause I consider herbs
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in the same
classification as medicines.
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You said this before, yes, yeah.
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And they have this interactions
in a lot of our plant,
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a lot of our
medicines came from herbs.
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So you really have
someone that understands
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it and also to look to
the science for use on it.
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Because a lot of
stuff on the internet
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claims to do great things.
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Well, hawthorn is one
that's been looked into.
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You have to also get it from
a company that's very reputable
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'cause these are not regulated.
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So we don't really
know what's in here.
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The drug
companies don't have to,
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you know, they are not regulate
that's the drug company,
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so we don't really
know what's in this.
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But hawthorn is one that
used in people with weak hearts.
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And but I wouldn't take it
without talking to your doctor
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and also looking
at the other medicines
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'cause you want
these other medicines
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that can help a
weak heart as well.
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I think one of the
questions here that came
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into heartwiseministies.org
is reflective
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of what a lot of
people think and wonder.
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The question was, are
stents and bypasses risky?
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Now of course any time
you crack open someone's chest
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or you send something up
into an artery and you inflate
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there or put the
stent or whatever,
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these are risky
business but is the very act
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of doing that to
your artery risk.
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Does it carry some dangers?
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Well, everything that
we do in life has risk
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as well as benefits and doctors
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are in the risk
management business.
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So if a person is
having a catastrophic symptom,
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a heart attack, if
they are at high risk,
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bypass is sometimes recommended.
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There were
about 500,000 bypasses
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done last year in
the United States.
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The risk of dying
during is about 1.5%,
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so about 15,000 people will
dies from the procedure itself
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from all the
complications that go with it.
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There are about a
million stents placed
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in United States last year.
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And of those million
stents about 10,000 people died.
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So that's 25,000 people
dying from those two procedures.
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If 25,000 people die
per year from anything
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you would consider that pretty--
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Not to mention the trauma.
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I think it's pretty traumatic
when someone pulls open to that,
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pulls veins out of
legs and bypasses on.
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I consider that pretty major
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and pretty
traumatic and pretty invasive.
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So when I ask
someone said, maybe eat
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little bit more
vegetables and bean soup.
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I don't consider
that that invasive.
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You know, you
see what I'm saying.
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And much more tasty. Yeah,
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and the risk of
that, the real thing
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is we want to prevent
that taking these risk
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if we don't have to.
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And if I can
find one or two people
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that will gradually change
their diet or their stress,
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so they exercise
from, they might prevent
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taking these risks
where people actually die
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from having these things done.
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So if we could--
preventing the problem
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is much better than
dealing with all these thing.
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But there is risk
to any procedure out
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there carry some risk.
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And when I
recommend these things I say,
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Charles, you know, is
the risk worth the benefit.
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And a lot of the benefits
is improving the symptoms.
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So you have a
better quality of life,
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so you can
exercise, so you do have time
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to figure out what
caused it to happen.
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So you have to always
look at the risk and benefit,
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but these procedures
that we are doing today
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do carry risk with them.
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And some people
think there is no risk.
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Oh, you know, I had some people,
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oh, it fixes me, it fixes me.
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Well, that's the marketing.
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It doesn't fix you.
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And that's what
people have to understand.
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These
procedures, these medicines
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don't fix the problem,
they just treat the symptoms.
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Now we can greatly
improve the symptoms
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that will enable you to do
things to possibly slow down
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disease or reverse the disease.
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These are important
words for us to hear
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today about our hearts.
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We have a chance,
we have an opportunity
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to make a
difference in our health
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but we need to
make those choices.
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We need to
decide that we're trying
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to do it according
to God's health plan,
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I like to try
God's health plan there.
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We'll take a short
break and when we come back
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a conversation with
that God. Stay tuned.
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Well, there's a few things
that everyone has to take home
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from this program today.
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One is cardiovascular
disease can be silent.
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We might not
even know we have it,
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but there is things we can
do before we have a symptom,
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things that we can
do, look at our life,
00:12:53.87\00:12:56.47
see if we're
under a lot of stress,
00:12:56.50\00:12:58.51
look at our nutrition, make sure
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we're getting the
fats out of our diet
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and get out and do
some movement or exercise.
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If you are having a symptom
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that's where modern
medicine can really help.
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See your doctor especially
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if you are
having pain on exertion.
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And remember in
this book right here,
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there is a lots of prescriptions
that can change your chemistry.
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Open this book,
read about the stories,
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read about all the wonderful
things that happened at creation
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that God kept His people
well through all generations.
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Read about the story of Daniel.
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And if you might be suffering
from cardiovascular disease
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or have a loved
one, I want to just have
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a prayer with you right now.
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We want to acknowledge
the ultimate physician
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as the real healer in our lives.
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Let's just bow our heads.
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Father God, as we
talked about the heart
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and we talked about
your health and your book,
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we always want to acknowledge
you as the ultimate healer
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in our lives, Father.
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Help us to look to you first
when it comes to our healthcare
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and ask you for the answers.
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And if there might be
someone out there, Father,
00:13:56.14\00:13:58.04
that's suffering
from heart disease,
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we want to pray that
you heal them and lead them
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to the healing people and things
that they do in their lives
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is our humble prayer, amen.
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Thank you for
joining us once again
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on the Ultimate Prescription.
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If you have any
questions or concerns,
00:14:13.09\00:14:14.92
we have a website,
we're here to serve you.
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Go to our website
that's heartwiseministries.org.
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Send us your prayer request.
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We're gonna be praying for you
and your health in the future.
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Remember the ultimate physician
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is where we must start
first in our healthcare.
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