Participants: James Marcum & Charles Mills
Series Code: UP
Program Code: UP00025B
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00:01 Diabetes has met its match.
00:05 That is such good news, Dr. Marcum, 00:06 I'm excited about that. 00:08 We have some questions here 00:10 from the heartwiseministries.org website. 00:11 And we'd like to share those with you. 00:13 And, Dr. Marcum, the first one is. 00:17 What is the difference between type 1 and type 2? 00:19 Make sure we understand what we are dealing with here. 00:22 Yeah. You know, we talked about-- 00:24 the majority of people have type 2 diabetes. 00:27 We used to call that adult-onset. 00:29 And we also couldn't we name it 00:30 after this program fat acquired diabetes. 00:32 That's right, exactly. Fat acquired diabetes. 00:34 And as Americans gain weight, we're gonna see more of it. 00:38 As our diets don't change we're gonna see more of it 00:40 and also the end organ damages. 00:41 So that's type 2. 00:42 Type 1 is where we have these cells 00:45 that make insulin that are destroyed. 00:47 Remember, in type 2 we still make lots of insulin. Yes, yes. 00:50 But type--you know, type 1, 00:52 we don't make the insulin 00:53 so that's a real difference between type 1. 00:55 And unfortunately, the types 1, 00:56 usually, have to take at least some insulin their entire life. 01:00 But, you know, those type of individuals can do well 01:03 with insulin pumps to control their blood sugars. 01:06 They learn how to eat well at an early age. 01:08 But it's really a devastating disease 01:10 to have type 1 diabetes as is type 2. 01:13 So that's the real difference between type 1 and type 2. 01:16 But, Charles, you know, 01:17 one of the things I want to do--go over. 01:19 This is very exciting and I wish, 01:21 I wish that we could make a commercial 01:23 and put it on any of the broadcast networks. 01:25 And the next time they have a commercial 01:27 for one of these diabetic pills or you know, glyburide 01:30 or one of these medicines that are out there, 01:33 whatsoever out there, we could step on and say, 01:35 "You know what? 01:36 You don't have to take these medicines. 01:37 You don't have to these side effects." 01:39 I like it. 01:40 "Here's a way you can change your chemistry. 01:42 This is the way we can get back 01:43 to the way God made us. 01:44 Here, here. 01:46 For more information dial this number. 01:47 And you know what? No side effects. 01:49 It's free." Won't that be cool? 01:50 You just made that. That's a great commercial. 01:51 Just play that on the air. 01:53 Yeah, great--great commercial. Very good. 01:54 Because no one wants the medicines. 01:56 They all have side effects. 01:57 Not only they cause side effects in the bottom, 01:58 too because they all cost money. 02:00 Yes, absolutely. The bottom dollar. 02:01 Let's talk about that. Yeah. 02:03 What are some of the risk 02:04 of taking medications for diabetes? 02:05 And if diabetes is on the rise in this country, 02:08 more and more people are taking it 02:10 and more and more people need to know 02:11 what you are about to say? Yeah. 02:13 Well, the real risk 02:14 is having a side effect on the medications. 02:16 And you know, diabetes medicines lower blood sugar. 02:19 That's what they do. 02:20 Insulin lowers blood sugar 02:22 and they work on different organ systems. 02:23 So let me give you a hypothetical. 02:25 Let's say, Charles, that-- 02:27 that you're on a medicine to lower blood sugar. 02:29 And let's say, you can't talk 02:32 or you're in a nursing home 02:33 or some place like that. 02:35 And let's say, you get sick with a disease. 02:36 You're not eating or drinking and you get dehydrated. 02:39 Your kidney function gets worse. 02:41 The liver function gets worse. Your metabolism changes. 02:44 And yet, someone keeps giving you that medicine. 02:46 You're not really eating or drinking, 02:48 and then no one's really keeping an eye on your blood sugar. 02:51 You gave them an example of this-- Yeah. 02:52 Your blood sugar goes down to 20 or 30 and you go into a coma. 02:56 You could actually die from this. Okay? 02:59 And so taking too much blood sugar, 03:01 we always see people having low blood sugar. 03:03 And the first responders, you know, 03:05 if there aren't any diabetic medicine at all, 03:07 the very first thing they want to do 03:08 is to check your blood sugar. Right. 03:09 Because when you have blood sugar nothing works well. 03:12 Your brain doesn't work well. 03:13 Your heart doesn't work well. 03:15 Blood sugar is very important 03:16 because it helps our body have energy. 03:18 So blood sugar is a key 03:19 and a lot of the neurologic symptoms happen. 03:21 You know, in a brain fog 03:22 when your blood sugar goes too low, 03:24 brain sugar when it goes too high. 03:25 I talked to people about the basics 03:27 of good health, you know. 03:29 Hydration, getting enough rest, 03:31 you know, when you come into the I.V., 03:32 I put oxygen on you, put an I.V. in you, 03:34 check your blood sugar. 03:36 If you don't have blood sugar, I'm gonna pump some in you. 03:37 Make sure you have blood in you too. 03:39 Check-- you know. 03:40 So we do a lot of these things that make common sense. 03:42 But if your blood--if you take a lot of these medications 03:44 and they are not monitored closely-- 03:46 I have some people that, you know, you write-- 03:48 you see them on these medications and you say, 03:50 "Well, listen you have type 2 diabetes and you're taking this. 03:52 Do you ever monitor your blood sugar?" 03:54 "No." So they might be taking it 03:57 and it still might not be accomplishing their goal. 03:59 They get no benefit. Yeah. 04:00 And yet, they take the risk. 04:02 And some of these medicines have other side effects. 04:04 Some of the diabetic medicines have been shown 04:06 to increase the risk of heart attacks. 04:08 And the Sulfonylureas have been showing that. 04:11 Some of them increased the risk of lactic acidosis 04:14 which is another thing that's not good. 04:16 But one thing that I see in a lot of patients 04:18 is they have type 2 diabetes. 04:20 And they go in and their doctor puts them on a medicine 04:23 to make their number better, okay? 04:25 But it makes them hungry. 04:27 They eat more and they gain more weight. 04:29 So it doesn't really solve the problem. 04:31 So they never get at the cause of the problem. 04:34 A lot of people if you say, 04:35 "Listen, do you want to cure this? 04:36 Or do you want to just, sort of, 04:38 keep the blood sugar at a level?" 04:39 If you put it that way, they say, 04:41 "Listen, I want to cure this." 04:42 And you say, "Well, here's the plan. 04:43 Do you want to do the plan? 04:45 We can take it slow, but do you want to do the plan?" 04:46 And I've read some literature. 04:48 I--I'm normally a cardiologist 04:50 so I don't treat a lot of diabetics. 04:52 But I've reviewed some of the material that doctor-- 04:55 Californian Dr. McDougall. Yeah, yeah. 04:57 And he's cured a lot of people 04:59 with changing chemistry this way. 05:01 And remember, this changes a chemistry 05:03 just like a medicine is except, 05:04 it's a little different mindset. Yeah. 05:07 So we're changing our chemistry by the food we eat. 05:10 We're changing our insides in the metabolism. 05:12 Then all of a sudden what we see when we get 05:14 the fat out of ourselves 05:15 then the glucose can move in it better. 05:17 We have the normal glucose metabolism. 05:19 The body, sort of, 05:20 gets back to the way it was designed and fixes itself. 05:22 So we don't have all these end organ damage. 05:25 Internal healing. Yeah. 05:26 With external changes are excellent. I like that. 05:28 So prolonged exposure, don't forget it. 05:30 Charles, when you leave here, I want you to remember, 05:32 prolonged exposure to fat 05:34 is the problem we have with diabetes. 05:36 All right, very good. 05:38 Here's another question from heartwiseministries.org. 05:41 This is important. 05:43 Let's say that someone is watching the program 05:45 right now and says, "I believe what Dr. Marcum is saying. 05:47 And I'm gonna switch over 05:49 to that whole food plant based diet 05:50 and I'm not gonna take my medications anymore. 05:52 Good advice? Bad advice? 05:53 Well, it's according, you know. It's according. 05:56 If you are-- if you are-- 05:57 you need to be monitored 05:59 whenever you go on and off the medication. 06:00 You need to be monitored. 06:02 And, you know, and unfortunately, 06:04 I've seen some physicians that you go to and you tell him 06:06 this and they might not be as educated as you are. 06:09 You know, I was trained this way. 06:10 They might not see it the same way. 06:12 So sometimes you have to bring them data, 06:13 say, "Listen, can I try this? 06:15 You know, can I check my blood sugar at home? 06:17 If it does really good, 06:18 can I skip it today and see if it does good?" 06:20 Remember, these changes take a while. 06:22 But it only makes sense if you can lower 06:24 your blood sugar with natural insulin 06:27 which you get from walking, 06:28 removing the fat from the body so that, you know, 06:30 that everything gets in the cells better. 06:32 It only makes sense that you could-- 06:34 you should be able to come off the medicines, nice and slow. 06:36 But I would do this with a doctor following you 06:38 that put you on those medicines. 06:40 But this is a great way to go. 06:42 But--and I've seen some medical professionals, 06:44 they don't want to hear this, you know. 06:45 That's what I wanted to ask you. 06:47 Oh, yeah. I see that all the time. 06:48 I don't want to hear this. 06:50 You have to stay on your medicine. 06:51 I wrote it. Yeah, yeah. 06:52 And I say, "It's time to find a new doctor." 06:54 Really? Yes. 06:55 Well, if they won't work with you to reverse this, 06:57 you know, and we want to take you off the medicine, 06:59 would you stay with that doctor? 07:02 This is scary. Yeah. 07:03 Because sometimes these doctors are friends of ours-- 07:06 And sometimes they just don't know everything. 07:09 Yeah. They don't know better. 07:11 And I was practicing that way at one time, Charles. 07:13 I was brought through the traditional medical system, 07:16 went to medical school at the University of Texas 07:18 and did cardiology at the University of Kentucky, 07:20 did internal medicine 07:21 at the medical center of Delaware. 07:23 And I was taught to treat symptoms. 07:24 I was taught about these medicines. 07:25 I wasn't taught a lot about nutrition. 07:27 I wasn't taught about the way the brain works. 07:30 I wasn't plugged into the ultimate prescription. 07:32 They didn't have this class in medical school, 07:34 in my medical school where it says, 07:36 "You know, the word of God 07:38 is the ultimate treatment that you need to do." 07:40 And that's what I'm trying to get in our vernacular. 07:42 And I'm letting-- let other doctors know 07:44 it's okay to practice this way. Yeah. 07:46 You know, you might take a few knocks 07:48 and I take knocks every day 07:49 when I take people off medicines. 07:51 But I try to counter that. 07:52 But, you know, we have science behind us 07:54 that proves you can change your chemistry this way. 07:56 Just do it for a while and let's test you. 07:59 Let's do this for a while and let's have evidence. 08:02 You know, let's check your blood sugar. 08:04 Let's see if you don't feel better in a month 08:05 after eating this way and living this way. 08:08 And, you know, that's what Daniel did back in Daniel. 08:11 Daniel goes, "Let me test you, king." Yeah. 08:13 "You know, let me see if this way is not the best way." 08:15 And he did. And guess what? 08:17 God's way was right. 08:18 And that's the way it's gonna be every single time. 08:20 So I say, "Well, let's not go into this blindly. 08:23 Let's prove it with science. 08:24 So that's what the way I approach with my doctor. 08:26 Let me show you that I can bring 08:27 my blood sugar down naturally. 08:31 You want us to be brave when we go see our doctor? 08:34 Well, you know, you are your best doctor, Charles. 08:36 Who's a better physician than you, than yourself? 08:38 But doctor's not gonna agree with that. 08:39 He's gonna say, "I went to school. 08:41 I learned these things. 08:42 You need to be on these medications. 08:43 How dare you come into my office and tell me?" 08:45 And I have heard doctors say those very words. 08:46 Yeah. But you know what? 08:48 I see myself as more of a treater of symptoms, 08:52 a treater of symptoms. 08:54 We are our best own physicians, you know. 08:57 Physician heal yourself, you know. 08:58 We heard this but, you know, 08:59 you're responsible for your own body, 09:01 to learn as much as you can, to take care of yourself, 09:04 to prevent these kind of diseases. 09:05 You are a steward. You are given this body. 09:07 This is a loaner, Charles. Yes. 09:10 You know, you're supposed to know all these stuff. 09:13 We're stewards of our body. We're responsible for ourself. 09:16 Your doctor is not responsible for you. 09:18 He's not gonna be the one that ultimately stands 09:20 and says, "This is what I did with my body." 09:22 You are. You're responsible for learning. 09:24 You're responsible for finding the healthcare professionals 09:26 that follow your philosophy. 09:29 Now there might not be many out there, 09:30 but most of them are willing to work with you if you explain, 09:33 if you give them some scientific evidence behind it. 09:35 Most doctors want to take you off medications 09:38 if you're willing to step up and say, 09:39 "Listen, I want to exercise every day. 09:41 I'm willing to eat better. 09:43 I'm willing to do something to reverse type 2 diabetes. 09:45 Now are you willing to take me off of medication?" 09:47 And if they see results, you're losing weight, 09:49 I don't know any doctor that won't, 09:51 at least, work with you. 09:52 All right, very good advice. 09:54 You know, that goes right along 09:55 with something you and I've talked about 09:56 in another program especially on your radio program. 09:59 That is, when you watch programs like this, 10:04 when you go on the internet, 10:05 when you read the scientific literature coming out, 10:08 when you read the newspaper and the magazines, 10:10 the latest and greatest comes out and it says, 10:13 "This is the answer for the problem 10:14 that you're suffering. 10:16 This is the answer over here. 10:17 Do this, eat this, take this." How do we judge? 10:21 A person with diabetes, 10:22 how does a person judge what to do? 10:26 What will work and what won't work? 10:28 How do you judge when you are receiving this information 10:31 from the pharmaceutical companies, 10:33 when you are receiving this information 10:34 from different entities around? 10:36 How do you make a determination 10:39 of what you want to put in your body 10:41 and what medicines you want to use? 10:43 Yeah. I go back and I use the textbook. 10:45 Does it work with the Bible? 10:46 Does it make biblical sense? 10:48 Does it jibe with what the Bible teaches? 10:50 And if someone says, "You know, you have to have a treatment 10:52 where you stay up all night, 10:53 that doesn't jibe with the biblical treatment, does it? 10:55 If it's-- You know what the Bible say 10:57 they culminate it. No. No. No. 10:59 But it's gonna say in the Bible, "Drink water." 11:00 Right, exactly. Both thin your blood. 11:02 And then some of these conditions 11:04 you have to look at the body of evidence, 11:05 randomized trials, okay? 11:07 And, you know, but we have to also realize that 11:09 medicines usually just treat symptoms. 11:11 They don't fix causes. True. 11:12 And for acute care, I think medicines are great. 11:15 For chronic care, it's not. 11:16 So it's a growing, learning process. 11:19 It's continuing growing. 11:20 And I don't say that I have all the answers. 11:22 I admit, I don't know everything. 11:24 I'm constantly in a state of learning, 11:26 try to keep a balanced approach but I also have learned in time 11:29 that the mind is involved in all of this. 11:31 And if you're happy about it 11:33 and you have God working in your life 11:34 through the Holy Spirit, 11:36 you know, even if you don't do everything perfect 11:38 or learn everything or-- 11:39 you're gonna be heading in the right direction. 11:41 And that's why this ultimate prescription, 11:43 this relationship is so important. 11:44 'Cause, I know, 11:45 I can't do everything right, you know. 11:47 There's always gonna be something that's-- 11:48 there is probably gonna hurt me 11:50 that I might not even know about. 11:51 But I'm always in that relationship, 11:53 trying to learn, 11:54 willing to let God work with me in anyway He might choose to. 11:58 You know, I never thought years ago, Charles, 12:02 you know, when I was practicing medicine 12:04 that I would ever do health programs, you know. 12:06 I'm not an orator. 12:07 I never thought I'd write a book or do these kind of things. 12:10 But as God impresses you and works with you 12:12 He gives you the power to do things you can't do. 12:15 Well, that same principle applies to your health. 12:17 You're not thinking you can do these things but you can. 12:19 God can let do anything He wants with you. 12:22 As you learn about Him and walk in His will 12:24 the potential is unlimited. 12:26 And as the world continues to get sicker, 12:29 He's gonna call more and more people to be messengers 12:31 of all the good things He wants us to do for us. 12:35 That is good news. That is wonderful news. 12:38 Yeah. Good news. 12:40 We'll take a short break and when we come back 12:41 let's talk to that great Physician up there. 12:44 And let's thank Him for the blessings 12:46 He has in store for everyone 12:48 who's watching this program today. 12:49 So stay tuned. 12:53 Let's make an appointment and talk to the great Physician. 12:56 Let's bow our heads together. 12:57 Father God, thank you for being interested in our healthcare 13:01 and being our great Physician to lead us to all truth. 13:03 And thank you for healing us this day, Father. 13:05 We pray for Your love and peace in our lives. 13:08 And thank you for helping us to reverse 13:09 type 2 diabetes is our prayer. Amen. |
Revised 2014-12-17