Diabetes has met its match.
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That is such
good news, Dr. Marcum,
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I'm excited about that.
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We have some questions here
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from the
heartwiseministries.org website.
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And we'd like to
share those with you.
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And, Dr. Marcum,
the first one is.
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What is the difference
between type 1 and type 2?
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Make sure we understand
what we are dealing with here.
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Yeah. You know,
we talked about--
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the majority of
people have type 2 diabetes.
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We used to call
that adult-onset.
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And we also couldn't we name it
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after this program
fat acquired diabetes.
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That's right,
exactly. Fat acquired diabetes.
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And as Americans gain weight,
we're gonna see more of it.
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As our diets don't change
we're gonna see more of it
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and also the end organ damages.
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So that's type 2.
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Type 1 is where
we have these cells
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that make insulin
that are destroyed.
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Remember, in type 2 we still
make lots of insulin. Yes, yes.
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But type--you know, type 1,
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we don't make the insulin
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so that's a real
difference between type 1.
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And unfortunately, the types 1,
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usually, have to take at least
some insulin their entire life.
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But, you know, those type
of individuals can do well
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with insulin pumps to
control their blood sugars.
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They learn how to
eat well at an early age.
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But it's really a
devastating disease
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to have type 1
diabetes as is type 2.
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So that's the real difference
between type 1 and type 2.
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But, Charles, you know,
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one of the things I
want to do--go over.
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This is very
exciting and I wish,
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I wish that we
could make a commercial
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and put it on any of
the broadcast networks.
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And the next time
they have a commercial
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for one of these diabetic
pills or you know, glyburide
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or one of these
medicines that are out there,
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whatsoever out there,
we could step on and say,
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"You know what?
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You don't have to
take these medicines.
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You don't have to
these side effects."
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I like it.
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"Here's a way you can
change your chemistry.
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This is the way we can get back
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to the way God made us.
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Here, here.
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For more
information dial this number.
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And you know
what? No side effects.
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It's free." Won't that be cool?
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You just made that.
That's a great commercial.
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Just play that on the air.
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Yeah, great--great
commercial. Very good.
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Because no one
wants the medicines.
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They all have side effects.
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Not only they cause
side effects in the bottom,
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too because they all cost money.
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Yes, absolutely.
The bottom dollar.
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Let's talk about that. Yeah.
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What are some of the risk
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of taking
medications for diabetes?
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And if diabetes is on
the rise in this country,
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more and more
people are taking it
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and more and more
people need to know
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what you are about to say? Yeah.
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Well, the real risk
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is having a side
effect on the medications.
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And you know, diabetes
medicines lower blood sugar.
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That's what they do.
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Insulin lowers blood sugar
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and they work on
different organ systems.
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So let me give
you a hypothetical.
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Let's say, Charles, that--
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that you're on a
medicine to lower blood sugar.
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And let's say, you can't talk
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or you're in a nursing home
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or some place like that.
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And let's say, you
get sick with a disease.
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You're not eating or
drinking and you get dehydrated.
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Your kidney function gets worse.
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The liver function gets
worse. Your metabolism changes.
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And yet, someone keeps
giving you that medicine.
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You're not really
eating or drinking,
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and then no one's really keeping
an eye on your blood sugar.
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You gave them an
example of this-- Yeah.
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Your blood sugar goes down to
20 or 30 and you go into a coma.
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You could actually
die from this. Okay?
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And so taking
too much blood sugar,
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we always see people
having low blood sugar.
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And the first
responders, you know,
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if there aren't any
diabetic medicine at all,
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the very first
thing they want to do
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is to check your
blood sugar. Right.
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Because when you have
blood sugar nothing works well.
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Your brain doesn't work well.
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Your heart doesn't work well.
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Blood sugar is very important
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because it helps
our body have energy.
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So blood sugar is a key
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and a lot of the
neurologic symptoms happen.
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You know, in a brain fog
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when your blood
sugar goes too low,
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brain sugar when
it goes too high.
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I talked to
people about the basics
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of good health, you know.
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Hydration, getting enough rest,
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you know, when you
come into the I.V.,
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I put oxygen on
you, put an I.V. in you,
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check your blood sugar.
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If you don't have blood sugar,
I'm gonna pump some in you.
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Make sure you
have blood in you too.
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Check-- you know.
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So we do a lot of these
things that make common sense.
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But if your blood--if you
take a lot of these medications
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and they are not
monitored closely--
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I have some people
that, you know, you write--
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you see them on these
medications and you say,
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"Well, listen you have type 2
diabetes and you're taking this.
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Do you ever
monitor your blood sugar?"
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"No." So they might be taking it
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and it still might not
be accomplishing their goal.
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They get no benefit. Yeah.
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And yet, they take the risk.
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And some of these medicines
have other side effects.
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Some of the diabetic
medicines have been shown
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to increase the
risk of heart attacks.
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And the Sulfonylureas
have been showing that.
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Some of them increased
the risk of lactic acidosis
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which is another
thing that's not good.
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But one thing that I
see in a lot of patients
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is they have type 2 diabetes.
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And they go in and their
doctor puts them on a medicine
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to make their
number better, okay?
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But it makes them hungry.
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They eat more and
they gain more weight.
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So it doesn't
really solve the problem.
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So they never get at
the cause of the problem.
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A lot of people if you say,
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"Listen, do you
want to cure this?
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Or do you want to just, sort of,
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keep the blood
sugar at a level?"
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If you put it
that way, they say,
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"Listen, I want to cure this."
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And you say,
"Well, here's the plan.
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Do you want to do the plan?
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We can take it slow, but
do you want to do the plan?"
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And I've read some literature.
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I--I'm normally a cardiologist
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so I don't treat
a lot of diabetics.
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But I've reviewed some of
the material that doctor--
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Californian Dr.
McDougall. Yeah, yeah.
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And he's cured a lot of people
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with changing
chemistry this way.
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And remember, this
changes a chemistry
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just like a medicine is except,
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it's a little
different mindset. Yeah.
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So we're changing our
chemistry by the food we eat.
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We're changing our
insides in the metabolism.
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Then all of a sudden
what we see when we get
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the fat out of ourselves
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then the glucose
can move in it better.
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We have the normal
glucose metabolism.
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The body, sort of,
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gets back to the way it
was designed and fixes itself.
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So we don't have all
these end organ damage.
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Internal healing. Yeah.
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With external changes
are excellent. I like that.
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So prolonged
exposure, don't forget it.
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Charles, when you leave
here, I want you to remember,
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prolonged exposure to fat
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is the problem we
have with diabetes.
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All right, very good.
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Here's another question
from heartwiseministries.org.
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This is important.
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Let's say that someone
is watching the program
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right now and says, "I believe
what Dr. Marcum is saying.
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And I'm gonna switch over
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to that whole
food plant based diet
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and I'm not gonna take
my medications anymore.
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Good advice? Bad advice?
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Well, it's according,
you know. It's according.
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If you are-- if you are--
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you need to be monitored
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whenever you go on
and off the medication.
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You need to be monitored.
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And, you know,
and unfortunately,
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I've seen some physicians
that you go to and you tell him
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this and they might not
be as educated as you are.
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You know, I was
trained this way.
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They might not
see it the same way.
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So sometimes you
have to bring them data,
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say, "Listen, can I try this?
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You know, can I check
my blood sugar at home?
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If it does really good,
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can I skip it today
and see if it does good?"
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Remember, these
changes take a while.
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But it only makes
sense if you can lower
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your blood sugar
with natural insulin
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which you get from walking,
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removing the fat from
the body so that, you know,
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that everything
gets in the cells better.
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It only makes
sense that you could--
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you should be able to come off
the medicines, nice and slow.
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But I would do this
with a doctor following you
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that put you on those medicines.
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But this is a great way to go.
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But--and I've seen
some medical professionals,
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they don't want to
hear this, you know.
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That's what I wanted to ask you.
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Oh, yeah. I see
that all the time.
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I don't want to hear this.
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You have to stay
on your medicine.
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I wrote it. Yeah, yeah.
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And I say, "It's time
to find a new doctor."
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Really? Yes.
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Well, if they won't work
with you to reverse this,
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you know, and we want to
take you off the medicine,
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would you stay with that doctor?
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This is scary. Yeah.
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Because sometimes these
doctors are friends of ours--
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And sometimes they
just don't know everything.
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Yeah. They don't know better.
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And I was practicing
that way at one time, Charles.
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I was brought through the
traditional medical system,
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went to medical school
at the University of Texas
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and did cardiology at
the University of Kentucky,
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did internal medicine
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at the medical
center of Delaware.
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And I was taught
to treat symptoms.
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I was taught
about these medicines.
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I wasn't taught a
lot about nutrition.
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I wasn't taught about
the way the brain works.
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I wasn't plugged into
the ultimate prescription.
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They didn't have this
class in medical school,
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in my medical
school where it says,
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"You know, the word of God
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is the ultimate
treatment that you need to do."
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And that's what I'm
trying to get in our vernacular.
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And I'm letting--
let other doctors know
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it's okay to
practice this way. Yeah.
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You know, you
might take a few knocks
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and I take knocks every day
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when I take
people off medicines.
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But I try to counter that.
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But, you know, we
have science behind us
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that proves you can
change your chemistry this way.
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Just do it for a
while and let's test you.
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Let's do this for a
while and let's have evidence.
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You know, let's
check your blood sugar.
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Let's see if you
don't feel better in a month
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after eating this
way and living this way.
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And, you know, that's
what Daniel did back in Daniel.
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Daniel goes, "Let me
test you, king." Yeah.
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"You know, let me see if
this way is not the best way."
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And he did. And guess what?
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God's way was right.
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And that's the way it's
gonna be every single time.
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So I say, "Well, let's
not go into this blindly.
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Let's prove it with science.
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So that's what the way
I approach with my doctor.
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Let me show you that I can bring
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my blood sugar down naturally.
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You want us to be brave
when we go see our doctor?
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Well, you know, you are
your best doctor, Charles.
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Who's a better physician
than you, than yourself?
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But doctor's not
gonna agree with that.
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He's gonna say,
"I went to school.
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I learned these things.
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You need to be on
these medications.
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How dare you come into
my office and tell me?"
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And I have heard
doctors say those very words.
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Yeah. But you know what?
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I see myself as more
of a treater of symptoms,
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a treater of symptoms.
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We are our best own
physicians, you know.
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Physician heal
yourself, you know.
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We heard this but, you know,
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you're
responsible for your own body,
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to learn as much as you
can, to take care of yourself,
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to prevent these
kind of diseases.
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You are a steward.
You are given this body.
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This is a loaner, Charles. Yes.
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You know, you're supposed
to know all these stuff.
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We're stewards of our body.
We're responsible for ourself.
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Your doctor is not
responsible for you.
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He's not gonna be the
one that ultimately stands
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and says, "This is
what I did with my body."
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You are. You're
responsible for learning.
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You're responsible for finding
the healthcare professionals
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that follow your philosophy.
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Now there might
not be many out there,
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but most of them are willing
to work with you if you explain,
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if you give them some
scientific evidence behind it.
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Most doctors want to
take you off medications
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if you're willing
to step up and say,
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"Listen, I want to
exercise every day.
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I'm willing to eat better.
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I'm willing to do something
to reverse type 2 diabetes.
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Now are you willing to
take me off of medication?"
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And if they see
results, you're losing weight,
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I don't know any
doctor that won't,
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at least, work with you.
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All right, very good advice.
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You know, that goes right along
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with something you
and I've talked about
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in another program especially
on your radio program.
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That is, when you
watch programs like this,
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when you go on the internet,
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when you read the scientific
literature coming out,
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when you read the
newspaper and the magazines,
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the latest and
greatest comes out and it says,
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"This is the
answer for the problem
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that you're suffering.
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This is the answer over here.
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Do this, eat this,
take this." How do we judge?
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A person with diabetes,
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how does a
person judge what to do?
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What will work
and what won't work?
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How do you judge when you
are receiving this information
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from the
pharmaceutical companies,
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when you are
receiving this information
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from different entities around?
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How do you make a determination
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of what you want
to put in your body
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and what
medicines you want to use?
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Yeah. I go back
and I use the textbook.
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Does it work with the Bible?
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Does it make biblical sense?
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Does it jibe with
what the Bible teaches?
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And if someone says, "You know,
you have to have a treatment
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where you stay up all night,
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that doesn't jibe with the
biblical treatment, does it?
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If it's-- You
know what the Bible say
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they culminate it. No. No. No.
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But it's gonna say in
the Bible, "Drink water."
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Right, exactly.
Both thin your blood.
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And then some
of these conditions
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you have to look at
the body of evidence,
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randomized trials, okay?
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And, you know, but we
have to also realize that
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medicines usually
just treat symptoms.
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They don't fix causes. True.
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And for acute care, I
think medicines are great.
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For chronic care, it's not.
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So it's a
growing, learning process.
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It's continuing growing.
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And I don't say that
I have all the answers.
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I admit, I
don't know everything.
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I'm constantly in
a state of learning,
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try to keep a balanced approach
but I also have learned in time
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that the mind is
involved in all of this.
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And if you're happy about it
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and you have God
working in your life
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through the Holy Spirit,
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you know, even if you
don't do everything perfect
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or learn everything or--
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you're gonna be
heading in the right direction.
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And that's why this
ultimate prescription,
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this
relationship is so important.
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'Cause, I know,
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I can't do
everything right, you know.
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There's always gonna
be something that's--
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there is probably gonna hurt me
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that I might
not even know about.
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But I'm always in
that relationship,
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trying to learn,
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willing to let God work with
me in anyway He might choose to.
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You know, I never
thought years ago, Charles,
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you know, when I
was practicing medicine
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that I would ever do
health programs, you know.
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I'm not an orator.
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I never thought I'd write a
book or do these kind of things.
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But as God impresses
you and works with you
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He gives you the power
to do things you can't do.
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Well, that same principle
applies to your health.
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You're not thinking you can
do these things but you can.
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God can let do
anything He wants with you.
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As you learn about
Him and walk in His will
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the potential is unlimited.
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And as the world
continues to get sicker,
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He's gonna call more and
more people to be messengers
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of all the good things
He wants us to do for us.
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That is good news.
That is wonderful news.
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Yeah. Good news.
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We'll take a short
break and when we come back
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let's talk to that
great Physician up there.
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And let's thank
Him for the blessings
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He has in store for everyone
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who's watching
this program today.
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So stay tuned.
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Let's make an appointment
and talk to the great Physician.
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Let's bow our heads together.
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Father God, thank you for being
interested in our healthcare
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and being our great Physician
to lead us to all truth.
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And thank you for
healing us this day, Father.
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We pray for Your love
and peace in our lives.
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And thank you for
helping us to reverse
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type 2 diabetes
is our prayer. Amen.
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