Participants: James Marcum & Charles Mills
Series Code: UP
Program Code: UP00023B
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00:01 Welcome back to the program.
00:02 We're talking about cancer, today with Dr. James Marcum. 00:04 I am Charles Mills. 00:06 Dr. Marcum, there are a lot of questions on this topic 00:09 on the website, heartwiseminstries.org. 00:11 And by the way, listener, if you would like 00:13 to put your question on the website you may do so. 00:16 Just go on to heartwiseministries.org 00:19 and there's a place so you can leave your question 00:22 and we'll address them on a future program. 00:23 We'd appreciate it if you do that 00:25 because education is one of the-- 00:27 Yeah. Best tools you can get. 00:29 To find prevention in your life for these dreaded diseases. 00:33 You know, prevention, Charles, before you get to our question. 00:35 Yeah. Just brought a thought to my mind. 00:38 You know, we say that cancer runs in families, 00:40 you know, that's why we always do our family history. 00:42 But if we think about it also, habits. 00:45 And these, you know, these prolonged exposures 00:48 run in families too. Yeah. 00:50 So is it really a genetic problem 00:52 or a prolonged exposure problem? 00:54 Like, cigarettes, secondhand smoke. 00:55 Like that-- You know, eating a-- 00:57 of carnivore type diet. Yeah. 00:59 Prolonged exposure to estrogen. 01:01 Is it--you know, I know, genetics play a role 01:03 but also family history and the things 01:06 that families do together, the prolonged exposures, 01:08 even as a child. Yes. 01:10 And we talked about that in the last segment 01:12 about the brain prolonged exposure-- 01:13 to brain thinks that you know we won't desire to say. 01:16 We're one and while we have all these problems but, 01:18 you know, prolonged exposure is going against 01:21 the way we were designed. It is very important. 01:23 That's why, while we got here-- 01:25 you know, I wrote this book with you recently 01:27 called the "Ultimate Prescription." 01:28 And if anyone wants to know more about some of the things 01:31 we're going to talking about, 01:32 "How to get in this relationship?" 01:34 This book can be obtained at any bookstore in America 01:37 or online at amazon.com. 01:39 We use this book to support this type of ministry. 01:42 It never goes into our pockets but it gives us more information 01:45 if we don't give enough on our television or radio programs. 01:48 All right, very good. "Ultimate Prescription." 01:50 Yeah. Let's go to the question. Question, all right. 01:52 This first question is very insightful I think. Yeah. 01:55 "What are the dangers of cancer untreated? 01:59 And what are the dangers of cancer treated 02:01 with modern medicine?" Oh, dear. 02:03 Okay, let's start with cancer untreated. 02:05 Yes. Okay? 02:07 We talked earlier, if cancer is treated early on 02:10 it's got almost a 100% cure rate, 02:13 almost all the types of cancer. 02:14 Whether be a malignant melanoma or colon cancer early on, 02:17 a breast malignancy early on. 02:19 So, stage 1, cancer or cancer found early on untreated-- 02:24 if it's untreated the cancer's gonna grow. 02:27 Okay? The cells are gonna continue to divide. 02:30 It's eventually gonna get in the limbs system 02:31 and it's gonna spread throughout the body. 02:33 So cancer untreated is not a good thing. 02:35 Now, some cancers move faster than other cancers. 02:39 And sometimes a person might have cancer 02:41 but other medical problems or advanced age, 02:43 and those other medical problems might be a more problem 02:46 than the specific cancer types. Yeah. 02:47 But some cancer types are very aggressive, you know? 02:51 Especially things like pancreatic cancer, melanoma, 02:54 those are very aggressive cancers. 02:56 And those, if detected on you know to treatment 02:59 for that is gonna be excision and see if it's spread anywhere. 03:03 So, the treatment for that cancer-- 03:04 I think if untreated it's devastating. 03:07 Now, a harder issue-- and I am not an oncologist, 03:11 but a harder issue is what to do 03:13 if you've got aggressive cancer that spread outside-- 03:17 that's spread outside an organic system. 03:19 What if you have it to the bones 03:21 and to the brain and in the lymph nodes? 03:23 Well, I talked to an oncologist, not too long ago, 03:25 and they see things a little bit different 03:27 than other people. And, Charles, 03:29 they look at things as-- if I can give someone 6 months 03:33 of survival, you know, that's the way they see things. 03:37 They don't see it as curing. 03:39 They see it as may be prolonging 03:41 the time that you have here on earth. 03:43 But you've to weigh that against the toxicities 03:46 of these advanced chemotherapy and radiation. 03:49 And some people can tolerate chemo very well. 03:52 Some make them very, very sick. 03:55 And of course, in any type of cancer, 03:57 we wanna do the things we've talked about. 03:58 You know, get rid of the prolonged exposures 04:00 which could be making things worse. 04:02 So every treatment for cancer I think involves 04:04 getting on a healthy diet, healthy thoughts, 04:08 um, getting a relationship with the creator, 04:09 they can ultimately heal us. That's very important. 04:12 But, you know, you might have to have an honest discussion 04:14 about whether the toxicities of the chemotherapy are worth it 04:18 based on quality of life issues. Yes, exactly. 04:21 And like saying, if it's advanced, if it's advanced-- 04:24 you know, sometimes, you know it's not worth it. 04:26 Sometimes you say, "listen, I just want to go out, you know, 04:29 and have as good a quality-- I'd rather have 2 months 04:32 living with cancer than 5 months of bad cancer. Yeah. 04:35 But the oncologists think of it about 04:37 a little bit different than we do. 04:38 Now there's some advanced cancers-- 04:39 they can say, yes, it's spread and we think 04:41 you have this chance of curing it. 04:43 That really underlines the fact 04:45 that we need to look at prevention. Yeah. 04:47 Prevention needs to be our focus. 04:49 We don't wanna have to go through 04:51 what you just said where we decide 04:52 between 2 months of good life 04:54 or 6 months of bad life with cancer. 04:57 We wanna keep it from happening. 04:58 You know, Charles, I gonna interrupt you here. Yes. 05:00 In each individual and their circumstances is so different. 05:04 Yes. And we have a tendency 05:06 in medicine to put everyone in the same box. 05:09 You have this so this is what you get. 05:10 Here is the script. 05:12 I heard a story, not too long ago, 05:14 but someone was diagnosed with advance cancer. 05:16 And they said, you've advanced cancer 05:17 and you've 6 months to live. And that was it. 05:20 That was all that was offered. 05:21 Well, that's not good and every one has 05:24 a different way to reach them 05:25 and you never say there's no hope. 05:27 You know as long as we have the spiritual side, 05:30 there's always hope. Oh, Amen. 05:31 There's always something to look forward to. 05:33 There's always something-- you know, 05:34 my body might die but if I have eternal life 05:38 that's more important. That's why in treating people, 05:42 you know, modern medicine 05:43 it does some things good for you. 05:45 Lifestyle does some stuff good but that relationship-- 05:47 I would rather have that relationship 05:49 with God in thirty years of life and no relationship 05:52 in eighty years of life, human life. 05:55 And that's something that we need to add back 05:57 into the treatment plan of every patient, 05:59 no matter where we're at. 06:01 Every person needs to have this type of treatment 06:03 and we thought, think about these things. 06:04 We talked about prolonged exposure 06:07 but I want prolonged exposure in that relationship. 06:11 Prolonged exposure in that relationship brings me 06:13 back to the way I was originally designed. 06:15 Remember, back at creation-- we talked about that earlier. 06:18 We were designed to be with our Creator. 06:20 We were designed to communicate with Him. 06:23 We were designed to have prolonged exposure to Him. 06:26 And as we don't--as we do this, create in me a new mind. 06:29 Change my mind. Change my heart. 06:32 I want a prolonged exposure to good things as well, 06:35 prolonged exposure to good foods, to good thoughts. 06:38 I want prolonged exposure to my Creator. 06:40 I want to spend every time that I have with Him, 06:43 doing things with Him. Especially if have cancer, 06:46 I want to really plug into that relationship 06:48 that will give me peace, 06:49 that will give me ultimate healing. 06:51 Prolonged exposure of a good thing is also good. 06:54 And it's healing too. A healing-- 06:55 a prominently healing relationship. 06:57 Very, very good. 06:58 So did we answer that question, Charles? 07:00 Yes we did. And here's another one right here. 07:02 Oh, actually just answer that-- 07:03 how can I lower my risk of developing cancer? 07:06 Its sounds like that you're recommending 07:08 prolonged exposure to good things. 07:09 Yeah, well, let's go over that once more 07:11 'cause that's never hurts to go over. 07:13 To lower the risk of cancer, for instance, 07:14 if it's colon cancer, we're gonna try to get you 07:17 a plant based diet. Yeah. 07:18 If you're a lung cancer 07:20 or any other type, try not to smoke. 07:22 If it's estrogenic, you're gonna try to keep 07:24 your bodyweight, exercise, and things like that, 07:27 that make you low estrogen levels. 07:29 And of course, eat a good diet which is low in protein 07:32 which is again converted to estrogen. 07:34 So all these things we've talked 07:35 about for all these other chronic diseases-- 07:38 Yes It all fits in. 07:39 you know, the chronic treatment for most of these diseases 07:42 is getting back to the way God designed us. 07:44 To move away from these prolonged exposures 07:46 to these deadly things that we've been going to us 07:48 and if--as we think about this, things start to make sense. 07:51 Now, Charles, I have lot of people write in. 07:54 They're scared to death of modern medicine. 07:56 They don't want to use it at any cost. 07:58 But if I can get them to understand, you know, 08:00 it's just a short term and sometimes 08:02 it can help you have more time to get at the chronic causes-- 08:05 that's the way I would think about modern medicine. 08:07 It is a play-- there is a place for it. 08:09 But there are not hearing this. 08:10 No. They're not hearing this. 08:12 No, and I had someone that wrote in not too long 08:13 from Australia that were scared to death about 08:15 taking an antibiotic, that could possibly cure 08:18 an infection to save her life. 08:20 Now someone said, well, you know, they say, 08:22 "well, you made a statement 08:23 that medicines don't cure problems." 08:25 Well, an antibiotic doesn't cure problems. 08:28 You know, 'cause if your immune system 08:29 doesn't work your antibiotics still not going to help. 08:32 But it can help your body overcome 08:34 a short term bad situation. Yes. 08:36 We talked about that with stent. 08:37 We talked about that at excising a cancer. 08:40 We talked about that with antibiotics. 08:42 Well, Charles, if you started 08:43 spontaneously bleeding here, we want to stop the bleeding. 08:46 Absolutely. So we can figure out 08:48 why it happened. 08:49 So I want our listeners to understand 08:50 there's a place for modern medicine. 08:52 Likewise, there's a place for lifestyle medicine. 08:55 But some people are so focused on lifestyle medicine, 08:59 you know, they take their brain and all of the effort, 09:01 "if I don't do this and--," they live in fear 09:03 and this fear chemistry changes the brain, 09:05 that prolonged exposure-- "I can't do this, 09:07 I can't do that," the stress of all this. 09:09 It has a chemical consequence too. 09:11 So it's really a balance based on relationship with God, 09:15 relationship with modern medicine, 09:17 relationship with lifestyle medicine 09:18 that healthy balance based on moderation. 09:21 And that is the key. 09:22 And I see too many people swinging back and forth. 09:25 "All I can have is this. Or all I can have is that." 09:27 But it truly is a balance. We need to be-- 09:29 we need to find joy in doing the right things. 09:32 Yes. We need to find joy in eating the right foods. 09:35 And putting the right things is our minds. 09:38 Those should be joyful things. And you're absolutely right. 09:40 A lot of people feeling so guilty, 09:42 "Am I doing enough? 09:44 Am I doing it right? Am I missing something? 09:46 Is this food really better than that food?" 09:49 And they're comparing literally apples and oranges. 09:51 And they haven't gotten to the place 09:54 where there is joy in doing the right things. 09:56 Right and we all know that when people are happy 09:59 you make endorphins. Yes. 10:00 Your immune system gets stronger. 10:02 A merry heart. Everything gets good. 10:03 There's a good lightness. It helps the brain out. 10:05 Helps so many good things when we're happy. 10:07 We need to be happy. 10:09 We need to plug in the source of joy. 10:11 And, you know, I can just hear God having a big belly laugh 10:14 when we do something funny. We need to laugh. 10:16 We need to have joy in life. We don't need to live in fear. 10:18 All right. Very good. 10:20 Our next question here and you touched on this, 10:22 "is genetic testing for cancer genes a good thing to do?" 10:26 Now, again, talk to us about genetics here. 10:29 That's a great questions the human genome, 10:31 all of our DNA, has now been sequenced. Yes. 10:34 We know that certain pattern in our DNA-- 10:37 now the DNA is the template that makes proteins. 10:40 Proteins regulate our body. 10:42 We know that when this is damaged 10:43 we have the things called Mutations 10:45 and bad things start to happen 10:46 when mutations happen, may be a certain cell grows 10:48 or certain proteins made. 10:50 Well, we now can identify people that are at risk. 10:54 Well, let me just throw this out there, 10:56 as far as that question goes. 10:57 There is a condition called Huntington's chorea 10:59 which is a movement disorder that usually, you know, 11:02 happens later in life. There's genetic testing. 11:05 It's passed down about half and half. 11:07 Fifty percent people get it that have 11:09 the gene in their family. 11:11 This gene is passed on from generation to generations. 11:15 There is a lady that I heard about they said, 11:17 "listen, I want to be tested for Huntington's, 11:20 to see if I am gonna get it. 11:21 I am gonna make plans in my life about 11:23 whether I should get married or whether I should do this." 11:26 Well, she ended up having this done. 11:28 She had the gene done 11:30 and she was going to get Huntington's chorea. 11:32 And she knew she'd get it in the thirties. 11:33 So she all of a sudden knew that 11:35 she was going to be doomed to this lifestyle. 11:37 When her work found out about it, 11:39 of course, she was let go immediately. 11:41 There are consequences when you found out about this. 11:45 Likewise, I heard about-- 11:46 of a strong breast cancer history in a family 11:48 that was separate from estrogen. 11:50 And every one in the family had it at a very young age. 11:53 Well, she--you know, she wanted to get tested early 11:56 and of course if it's tested early, 11:58 some people, are advocating bilateral mastectomies. 12:01 You know, if you don't have the tissue 12:02 you can't get the cancer. 12:04 So, she found out about it and she chose not to have 12:07 bilateral mastectomy and sure enough 12:09 she had the cancer gene. She got it later in her life. 12:11 So the question is, you know, there are some conditions 12:14 that we can prevent save life like from like 12:17 there are some genetics that shows about the heart. 12:20 Some genetics can be useful 12:21 'cause we can use modern medicine to intervene. 12:24 And some times it can put a damper on your life. 12:27 So this question of genetic testing 12:29 I don't know. 12:30 And now in modern medicine is going to start eventually 12:33 manipulating genetics. 12:35 And is that the right thing to do? 12:37 I don't know. We've heard about people cloning animals, 12:39 cloning body parts, doing all these other things. 12:42 To me that just doesn't seem the right way to go, 12:46 to you know to do this kind of things. 12:48 And that was in the original plan 12:50 to do these things. 12:51 And so it scares me a little bit about genetics. 12:53 So as far as getting testing done 12:56 I think if you want to do it to see, you know, about 12:59 what you're children might have or things you might pass down, 13:02 that's reasonable if you understand 13:04 that there's going be risk mentally of knowing that 13:07 you live in these things. All right, very good. 13:09 We'll take a short break and when we come back Dr. Marcum 13:11 has some final thoughts for us, stay tuned. 13:17 We've been talking today about a very sensitive subject 13:20 and that's the subject of cancer. 13:22 And we talked in the last segment 13:24 a little bit about genetic testing, 13:25 how that's very individual. 13:28 But one thing we want all people to know that, 13:30 you know, there's a place for modern medicine 13:32 but we don't understand everything in modern medicine. 13:34 Lifestyle is very important in preventing cancer 13:37 and also treating it. 13:38 But we want to encourage that relationship 13:41 with the great physician. 13:42 I want to pray for those right now 13:43 for those that might have cancer or any type of other disease. 13:47 Let's bow our heads. Father in heaven, 13:49 we wanna pray for Your healing power, 13:52 a relationship with You. 13:53 We wanna pray that You help us to understand 13:56 the place for modern medicine give us the ability 13:58 to see the lifestyle changes we need. 14:00 And we wanna thank You for your saving love and joy 14:03 that You give us each day. This is our humble prayer. Amen. 14:08 We're going to continue next time 14:11 with our discussions of all the things 14:13 that kill Americans and we're gonna 14:15 find out more about diabetes. 14:17 So please join us next time on "Ultimate Prescription." |
Revised 2014-12-17