Welcome back to the program.
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We're talking about cancer,
today with Dr. James Marcum.
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I am Charles Mills.
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Dr. Marcum, there are a
lot of questions on this topic
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on the website,
heartwiseminstries.org.
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And by the way,
listener, if you would like
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to put your question on
the website you may do so.
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Just go on to
heartwiseministries.org
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and there's a place so
you can leave your question
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and we'll address
them on a future program.
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We'd appreciate
it if you do that
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because
education is one of the--
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Yeah. Best tools you can get.
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To find prevention in your
life for these dreaded diseases.
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You know, prevention, Charles,
before you get to our question.
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Yeah. Just brought
a thought to my mind.
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You know, we say that
cancer runs in families,
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you know, that's why we
always do our family history.
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But if we think
about it also, habits.
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And these, you know,
these prolonged exposures
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run in families too. Yeah.
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So is it really
a genetic problem
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or a prolonged exposure problem?
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Like,
cigarettes, secondhand smoke.
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Like that-- You know, eating a--
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of carnivore type diet. Yeah.
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Prolonged exposure to estrogen.
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Is it--you know, I
know, genetics play a role
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but also family
history and the things
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that families do together,
the prolonged exposures,
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even as a child. Yes.
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And we talked about
that in the last segment
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about the brain
prolonged exposure--
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to brain thinks that you
know we won't desire to say.
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We're one and while we
have all these problems but,
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you know, prolonged
exposure is going against
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the way we were
designed. It is very important.
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That's why, while we got here--
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you know, I wrote
this book with you recently
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called the
"Ultimate Prescription."
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And if anyone wants to know
more about some of the things
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we're going to talking about,
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"How to get in
this relationship?"
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This book can be obtained
at any bookstore in America
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or online at amazon.com.
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We use this book to
support this type of ministry.
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It never goes into our pockets
but it gives us more information
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if we don't give enough on our
television or radio programs.
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All right, very good.
"Ultimate Prescription."
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Yeah. Let's go to the
question. Question, all right.
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This first question is
very insightful I think. Yeah.
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"What are the
dangers of cancer untreated?
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And what are the
dangers of cancer treated
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with modern medicine?" Oh, dear.
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Okay, let's start
with cancer untreated.
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Yes. Okay?
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We talked earlier, if
cancer is treated early on
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it's got almost
a 100% cure rate,
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almost all the types of cancer.
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Whether be a malignant melanoma
or colon cancer early on,
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a breast malignancy early on.
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So, stage 1, cancer or cancer
found early on untreated--
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if it's untreated
the cancer's gonna grow.
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Okay? The cells are
gonna continue to divide.
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It's eventually gonna
get in the limbs system
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and it's gonna
spread throughout the body.
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So cancer untreated
is not a good thing.
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Now, some cancers move
faster than other cancers.
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And sometimes a
person might have cancer
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but other medical
problems or advanced age,
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and those other medical
problems might be a more problem
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than the specific
cancer types. Yeah.
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But some cancer types are
very aggressive, you know?
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Especially things like
pancreatic cancer, melanoma,
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those are very
aggressive cancers.
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And those, if detected
on you know to treatment
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for that is gonna be excision
and see if it's spread anywhere.
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So, the
treatment for that cancer--
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I think if
untreated it's devastating.
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Now, a harder issue--
and I am not an oncologist,
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but a harder issue is what to do
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if you've got aggressive
cancer that spread outside--
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that's spread
outside an organic system.
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What if you have it to the bones
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and to the brain
and in the lymph nodes?
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Well, I talked to an
oncologist, not too long ago,
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and they see things
a little bit different
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than other people. And, Charles,
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they look at things as--
if I can give someone 6 months
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of survival, you know,
that's the way they see things.
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They don't see it as curing.
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They see it as may be prolonging
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the time that you
have here on earth.
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But you've to weigh
that against the toxicities
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of these advanced
chemotherapy and radiation.
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And some people can
tolerate chemo very well.
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Some make them very, very sick.
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And of course, in
any type of cancer,
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we wanna do the
things we've talked about.
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You know, get rid of
the prolonged exposures
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which could be
making things worse.
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So every treatment for
cancer I think involves
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getting on a healthy
diet, healthy thoughts,
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um, getting a
relationship with the creator,
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they can ultimately heal
us. That's very important.
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But, you know, you might have
to have an honest discussion
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about whether the toxicities
of the chemotherapy are worth it
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based on quality of
life issues. Yes, exactly.
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And like saying, if it's
advanced, if it's advanced--
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you know, sometimes,
you know it's not worth it.
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Sometimes you say, "listen, I
just want to go out, you know,
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and have as good a quality--
I'd rather have 2 months
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living with cancer than 5
months of bad cancer. Yeah.
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But the
oncologists think of it about
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a little bit
different than we do.
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Now there's some
advanced cancers--
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they can say, yes,
it's spread and we think
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you have this
chance of curing it.
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That really underlines the fact
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that we need to
look at prevention. Yeah.
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Prevention
needs to be our focus.
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We don't wanna
have to go through
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what you just
said where we decide
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between 2 months of good life
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or 6 months of
bad life with cancer.
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We wanna keep it from happening.
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You know, Charles, I
gonna interrupt you here. Yes.
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In each individual and their
circumstances is so different.
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Yes. And we have a tendency
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in medicine to put
everyone in the same box.
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You have this so
this is what you get.
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Here is the script.
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I heard a story,
not too long ago,
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but someone was
diagnosed with advance cancer.
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And they said,
you've advanced cancer
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and you've 6 months
to live. And that was it.
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That was all that was offered.
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Well, that's not
good and every one has
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a different way to reach them
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and you never
say there's no hope.
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You know as long as we
have the spiritual side,
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there's always hope. Oh, Amen.
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There's always
something to look forward to.
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There's always
something-- you know,
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my body might die but
if I have eternal life
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that's more important.
That's why in treating people,
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you know, modern medicine
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it does some
things good for you.
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Lifestyle does some stuff
good but that relationship--
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I would rather
have that relationship
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with God in thirty years
of life and no relationship
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in eighty years
of life, human life.
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And that's something
that we need to add back
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into the treatment
plan of every patient,
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no matter where we're at.
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Every person needs to
have this type of treatment
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and we thought,
think about these things.
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We talked about
prolonged exposure
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but I want prolonged
exposure in that relationship.
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Prolonged exposure in
that relationship brings me
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back to the way I
was originally designed.
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Remember, back at creation--
we talked about that earlier.
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We were designed to
be with our Creator.
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We were designed to
communicate with Him.
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We were designed to have
prolonged exposure to Him.
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And as we don't--as we do
this, create in me a new mind.
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Change my mind. Change my heart.
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I want a prolonged
exposure to good things as well,
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prolonged exposure to
good foods, to good thoughts.
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I want prolonged
exposure to my Creator.
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I want to spend every
time that I have with Him,
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doing things with Him.
Especially if have cancer,
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I want to really plug
into that relationship
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that will give me peace,
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that will give
me ultimate healing.
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Prolonged exposure of a
good thing is also good.
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And it's
healing too. A healing--
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a prominently
healing relationship.
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Very, very good.
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So did we answer
that question, Charles?
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Yes we did. And here's
another one right here.
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Oh, actually just answer that--
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how can I lower my
risk of developing cancer?
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Its sounds like
that you're recommending
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prolonged
exposure to good things.
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Yeah, well, let's
go over that once more
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'cause that's
never hurts to go over.
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To lower the risk of
cancer, for instance,
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if it's colon cancer,
we're gonna try to get you
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a plant based diet. Yeah.
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If you're a lung cancer
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or any other
type, try not to smoke.
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If it's estrogenic,
you're gonna try to keep
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your bodyweight,
exercise, and things like that,
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that make you
low estrogen levels.
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And of course, eat a good
diet which is low in protein
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which is again
converted to estrogen.
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So all these things we've talked
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about for all these
other chronic diseases--
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Yes It all fits in.
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you know, the chronic treatment
for most of these diseases
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is getting back to
the way God designed us.
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To move away from
these prolonged exposures
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to these deadly things
that we've been going to us
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and if--as we think about this,
things start to make sense.
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Now, Charles, I have
lot of people write in.
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They're scared to
death of modern medicine.
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They don't want to
use it at any cost.
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But if I can get them
to understand, you know,
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it's just a short
term and sometimes
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it can help you have more time
to get at the chronic causes--
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that's the way I would
think about modern medicine.
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It is a play--
there is a place for it.
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But there are not hearing this.
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No. They're not hearing this.
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No, and I had someone
that wrote in not too long
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from Australia that
were scared to death about
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taking an antibiotic,
that could possibly cure
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an infection to save her life.
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Now someone said,
well, you know, they say,
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"well, you made a statement
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that medicines
don't cure problems."
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Well, an antibiotic
doesn't cure problems.
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You know, 'cause
if your immune system
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doesn't work your antibiotics
still not going to help.
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But it can help
your body overcome
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a short term bad situation. Yes.
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We talked about that with stent.
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We talked about that
at excising a cancer.
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We talked about
that with antibiotics.
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Well, Charles, if you started
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spontaneously bleeding here,
we want to stop the bleeding.
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Absolutely. So we can figure out
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why it happened.
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So I want our
listeners to understand
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there's a place
for modern medicine.
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Likewise, there's a
place for lifestyle medicine.
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But some people are so
focused on lifestyle medicine,
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you know, they take their
brain and all of the effort,
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"if I don't do this
and--," they live in fear
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and this fear
chemistry changes the brain,
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that prolonged
exposure-- "I can't do this,
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I can't do that,"
the stress of all this.
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It has a
chemical consequence too.
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So it's really a balance
based on relationship with God,
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relationship
with modern medicine,
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relationship with
lifestyle medicine
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that healthy
balance based on moderation.
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And that is the key.
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And I see too many
people swinging back and forth.
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"All I can have is this.
Or all I can have is that."
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But it truly is a
balance. We need to be--
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we need to find joy in
doing the right things.
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Yes. We need to find joy
in eating the right foods.
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And putting the
right things is our minds.
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Those should be joyful things.
And you're absolutely right.
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A lot of people
feeling so guilty,
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"Am I doing enough?
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Am I doing it right?
Am I missing something?
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Is this food really
better than that food?"
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And they're comparing
literally apples and oranges.
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And they haven't
gotten to the place
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where there is joy in
doing the right things.
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Right and we all know
that when people are happy
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you make endorphins. Yes.
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Your immune
system gets stronger.
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A merry heart.
Everything gets good.
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There's a good lightness.
It helps the brain out.
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Helps so many good
things when we're happy.
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We need to be happy.
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We need to plug
in the source of joy.
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And, you know, I can just hear
God having a big belly laugh
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when we do something
funny. We need to laugh.
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We need to have joy in life.
We don't need to live in fear.
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All right. Very good.
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Our next question here
and you touched on this,
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"is genetic testing for cancer
genes a good thing to do?"
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Now, again, talk to
us about genetics here.
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That's a great
questions the human genome,
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all of our DNA, has
now been sequenced. Yes.
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We know that
certain pattern in our DNA--
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now the DNA is the
template that makes proteins.
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Proteins regulate our body.
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We know that
when this is damaged
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we have the
things called Mutations
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and bad things start to happen
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when mutations happen,
may be a certain cell grows
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or certain proteins made.
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Well, we now can identify
people that are at risk.
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Well, let me just
throw this out there,
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as far as that question goes.
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There is a condition
called Huntington's chorea
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which is a movement
disorder that usually, you know,
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happens later in life.
There's genetic testing.
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It's passed down
about half and half.
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Fifty percent
people get it that have
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the gene in their family.
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This gene is passed on
from generation to generations.
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There is a lady that
I heard about they said,
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"listen, I want to be
tested for Huntington's,
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to see if I am gonna get it.
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I am gonna make
plans in my life about
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whether I should get married
or whether I should do this."
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Well, she ended
up having this done.
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She had the gene done
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and she was going to
get Huntington's chorea.
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And she knew she'd
get it in the thirties.
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So she all of a sudden knew that
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she was going to be
doomed to this lifestyle.
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When her work
found out about it,
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of course, she was
let go immediately.
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There are consequences
when you found out about this.
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Likewise, I heard about--
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of a strong breast
cancer history in a family
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that was separate from estrogen.
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And every one in the family
had it at a very young age.
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Well, she--you know, she
wanted to get tested early
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and of course if
it's tested early,
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some people, are advocating
bilateral mastectomies.
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You know, if you
don't have the tissue
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you can't get the cancer.
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So, she found out about
it and she chose not to have
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bilateral
mastectomy and sure enough
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she had the cancer gene.
She got it later in her life.
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So the question is, you
know, there are some conditions
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that we can prevent
save life like from like
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there are some genetics
that shows about the heart.
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Some genetics can be useful
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'cause we can use
modern medicine to intervene.
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And some times it can
put a damper on your life.
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So this question
of genetic testing
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I don't know.
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And now in modern medicine
is going to start eventually
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manipulating genetics.
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And is that the
right thing to do?
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I don't know. We've heard
about people cloning animals,
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cloning body parts,
doing all these other things.
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To me that just doesn't
seem the right way to go,
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to you know to do
this kind of things.
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And that was in
the original plan
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to do these things.
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And so it scares me a
little bit about genetics.
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So as far as
getting testing done
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I think if you want to do
it to see, you know, about
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what you're children might have
or things you might pass down,
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that's
reasonable if you understand
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that there's going be
risk mentally of knowing that
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you live in these
things. All right, very good.
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We'll take a short break
and when we come back Dr. Marcum
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has some final
thoughts for us, stay tuned.
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We've been talking today
about a very sensitive subject
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and that's the
subject of cancer.
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And we talked
in the last segment
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a little bit
about genetic testing,
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how that's very individual.
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But one thing we want
all people to know that,
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you know, there's a
place for modern medicine
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but we don't understand
everything in modern medicine.
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Lifestyle is very
important in preventing cancer
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and also treating it.
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But we want to
encourage that relationship
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with the great physician.
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I want to pray
for those right now
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for those that might have cancer
or any type of other disease.
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Let's bow our
heads. Father in heaven,
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we wanna pray for
Your healing power,
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a relationship with You.
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We wanna pray that
You help us to understand
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the place for modern
medicine give us the ability
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to see the
lifestyle changes we need.
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And we wanna thank You
for your saving love and joy
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that You give us each day.
This is our humble prayer. Amen.
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We're going to
continue next time
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with our
discussions of all the things
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that kill
Americans and we're gonna
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find out more about diabetes.
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So please join us next
time on "Ultimate Prescription."
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