Would you like to learn how
you can slow the aging process
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and boost your immune system
all by using food as medicine?
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The Ultimate
Prescription starts now.
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I'm Dr. James Marcum.
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Are you interested in
discovering the reason why?
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Do you want solutions to
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Are you tired of
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Well, you're about to be
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Hello, and thank you
for joining us today on the
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Ultimate Prescription.
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I'm your host, Nick Evenson, and
on today's program I'm joined
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by Dr. James Marcum, and we'll
be discussing food as medicine.
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Dr. Marcum
welcome to the program.
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Well, thank you.
It's nice being here.
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And this is such
an interesting topic.
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And today we're going to talk
a little bit about mushrooms.
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And a lot of people, you know,
mushrooms sort of fall into a
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sort of a funny category.
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You know, you sort of
fall into I'm not a fruit,
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I'm not a
vegetable, I'm more of a yeast.
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And so everyone's going
to think of eating a yeast.
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You know, people are
concerned about that.
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But the point is God's
given us many different things
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to change our physiology,
and help us to come back
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into better health.
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And it might be the food we eat.
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It might be the
exercise movement we get.
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It might be our rest patterns.
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It might be our
thought patterns.
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There's many different ways to
improve health, but there's also
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many ways we can
protect our health as well.
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Yeah. Let's talk about
that a little bit more.
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You like to talk
about healing beliefs.
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And the Ultimate
Prescription is not any kind of
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food, or any procedure.
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Let's talk more
about faith and health.
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How do those relate?
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You know, if you think about
the scientific studies that've
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been done, there's a doctor
at Harvard named Herbert Benson.
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And he really talks a
lot about healing beliefs.
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And he talks about if you
believe something, you know,
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a lot of people call
it the placebo effect.
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A doctor will give you
a sugar pill and all of a
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sudden you do better. Uh huh.
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Well, he's done some
studies with blood pressure,
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and shows that if you
believe the pill's working,
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it will bring down
your blood pressure.
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So there's something in a
belief system that changes
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the brain and
how it works. Uh huh.
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Well, how does that
affect us in general?
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Well, our belief system, which
comes back to our spirituality,
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is very important to believing.
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And there's numerous studies
that we're now having that
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shows that things like
worship changes our physiology.
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There's doctors at the
University of Pennsylvania
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that's doing research
on the brains in worship,
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and how when we worship,
how the brain changes. Uh huh.
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The stress chemistry goes down.
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There's other physicians now
that are studying our very DNA,
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that when we worship, and
have these healing beliefs,
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the healthy ones that come from
worship, that we actually turn
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off the stress
enzymes in our body.
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We actually
change our DNA directly.
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So worship
separate from exercise,
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separate from nutrition,
worship seems to have a healing
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physiologic effect on the
body separate than all this.
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But we also know that when
people are in worship God gives
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them power to see things
differently, to think better.
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When we think
better we worship better.
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When we worship
better we think better.
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It's sort of the physical and
the spiritual all work together.
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And yet I have some patients
that come in, and I explain to
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them that the place I would
start in health is worship.
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Because there's lots of
different ways to worship.
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You know, there's
worship in the Bible,
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there's worship in nature,
there's worship in service,
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there's worship in song.
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There's lots of
different ways to worship.
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Worship in
helping our fellow man.
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But when we're in states
of worship, when we're walking
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with God, it changes our brain.
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Create in me a new
heart, a new brain.
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And there's physiology
in that that we're just
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beginning to understand.
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And when we're walking with
God we see things differently.
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And He gives us power,
power to change our lives.
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And we change it
for the right reasons.
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Now, for instance, if you wanted
to eat the perfect foods just to
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be healthy, and didn't have any
spiritual, or belief system of
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why it's doing it;
that's sort of a selfish reason.
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And we know that when
people are selfish and vain,
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that damages your body.
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It creates selfish
chemistry, and turns on
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the stress chemistry. Uh huh.
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So you might negate the benefits
of eating well, if you're doing
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it for the wrong reasons. Right.
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Are you following
what I mean? Right, uh huh.
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Well that goes
with everything in life.
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And everything that we put into
our bodies, whether it be our
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food, whether it be their
thoughts, our spiritual beliefs,
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it changes things,
whether we know it or not.
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Our brain is really a
fascinating organ, much more
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complicated than a computer.
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You think about all those
neurons, those billions of
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neurons, those interconnections.
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There's things that
we know that's going on,
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and there's things
that are deep down that we
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don't know are going on.
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All of it
effects our physiology.
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And that's why in working
with belief's, I say it's very
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important that you develop
beliefs based on you and God.
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It's got to be
between you and God.
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You cannot have
someone else's beliefs.
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You have to internalize them.
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You have to know what you
believe, and you have to come up
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with this framework.
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I think that gives you peace.
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You have to be important
that in your belief system
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that you live today. Uh huh.
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Some people that
try to live yesterday,
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that damages the body.
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So we want to live today.
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And, God, if we've had bad days
in the past, He throws it in the
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sea and forgets about it. Right.
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How many of us cannot
forget about things in the past,
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and we keep bringing those
things up, and it damages us?
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It hurts our physiology.
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So that might hurt us as much;
our beliefs and the way we feel
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about things, and the way
our brain works more than the
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food and other things.
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So our body is really
complicated, and that's why our
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spirituality effects our health.
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Our health
effects our spirituality.
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And we're going to talk later
about this Bible study that
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we've come up with this year,
that helps address some of those
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issues, and teaches
people where to start.
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And, you know, our world, Nick,
is programmed to be busy. Yeah.
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We're supposed to
be busy all the time.
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And sometimes we're too busy.
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We don't have time to think.
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We don't have time
to connect with God.
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We don't have time to connect
with what I call our inner self.
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We don't even think about what
we believe, or what we think.
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We let someone
else sort of program us.
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You know, I'm going to
believe what the Internet says.
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I'm going to believe
what this person says,
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or that person says.
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And what they might
say, might be right.
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But you have to
internalize these.
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So when a physician treats
a patient, and I say, take;
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this is going to be
a prescription for you.
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Many times I might give
them a food prescription,
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and they get better.
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One of the reasons is because
maybe the chemistry of that
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food helps them, but another
thing is because they believe
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it's going to help
them. That's right.
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I call that a healing belief.
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Others call it a placebo effect.
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But whatever, it works.
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Now when you have that, and
you have God working in a life,
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when they realize
no matter what happens,
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God's got your back. Yeah.
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He's going to heal you.
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He's going to make up for
our weaknesses, no matter where
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that weakness comes from.
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When we start walking with
that knowledge, and that belief
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system, spend time
developing this relationship,
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letting God take us one step at
a time, walking with Him daily,
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we see wonderful things happen.
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That's why we look in the
New Testament and it tells
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us about Matthew.
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He met their physical needs.
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He loved them,
and then he introduced
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them to a relationship.
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And he says, Believe in
Me, and I will give you...
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You know, these are gifts
that we have as we do this.
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Christ is our
ultimate physician.
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And that's what we
really have to focus on
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in the world we live in.
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You know, it's great
to have modern medicine to
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prevent an acute problem.
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It's great. But at the end
of the time a car could hit me
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today, and my healing is
not going to come from modern
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medicine sometimes. Right.
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But it's going to come from
my relationship with Christ.
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And it's not because...
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It's because I love Christ,
and I want to be with Him,
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and I want to serve Him.
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That's why I do the things.
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That's why my mind changes.
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That's why I want to
eat a little bit better.
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That's why I want to
think a little bit better.
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And through that
relationship, that's where
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we start in healing.
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So that's how the
spiritual and physical
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sort of work together.
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It's very complicated,
and its very individual.
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But I want people just to think
that your spiritual life effects
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your health, and vice versa.
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That's right. I was just
reminded that there's a number
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of places in the New Testament
that Jesus told people,
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Your faith has made you well.
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Yeah. You know? That's right!
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He cued that idea, you know.
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It's what you believe has
a lot to do with how you are.
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And you know we believe
that Christ healed those people.
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Right. But He attributed
it also to their faith.
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Yeah. And sometimes it's in our
illness that we find healing.
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Uh huh. You know, when
we're sick, when we need help,
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when our genetics are breaking
down, then that's when we really
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turn to the
ultimate source of healing.
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Now, of course, we want
people to turn to it sooner,
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but sometimes in
illness is when we find healing.
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And illness isn't always
being physically made well.
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It's being
spiritually made well.
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And that's so important.
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And we wanted to stress that
today, as well as talking about
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another nutrient from a
food source that can also
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help our chemistry.
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That's right, and we've
got some mushrooms here.
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We're going to switch
gears a little bit. Yeah.
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What is it about the mushroom
that makes it a beneficial
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food for us to eat besides
just maybe a different texture,
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and a different flavor?
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Mushrooms, I think
they're cool looking.
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That's what I think.
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I think mushrooms are cool.
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And I can remember going
through and kicking them over.
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These are, you know,
mushrooms are a type of yeast,
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a bunch of cells put together.
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And mushrooms have a great, I
think they have a great texture.
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For years people
said, Oh, mushrooms,
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they don't have any calories.
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You can eat them all.
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But mushroom doesn't have a lot
of calories because a mushroom
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is made of about 92% water.
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It has a few good things
like selenium, B vitamins,
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trace elements. It has a little
bit of carb, but not very much.
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4% of it is carb, and
about 2% protein, 1% fat.
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You know, I wouldn't think
there's that much water in them,
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because if you squeeze
them a lot of times they're not
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dripping or anything like that.
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They seem kind of dry sometimes.
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Yeah, but you know, you wouldn't
think you were 70% water either,
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because you're
not dripping either.
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That's true, it's true.
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But that's an interesting point.
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Lots of our
fruits and vegetables,
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they're
predominately water. Yeah.
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So you get a lot of water just
by eating fruits and vegetables,
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because that's what
God made us of. Right.
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So that's why when
we eat processed foods,
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sometimes the processed
food's aren't much water.
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So the more we can eat
things in their natural state,
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with its water
in it, the better.
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But they have a
lot of good vitamins.
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A couple of studies I
wanted to bring people to,
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and that's what
I've tried to do.
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We know that a lot of fruits and
vegetables, nuts, and grains,
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help us in many ways,
but now we have studies.
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And what I've done in this
series is I've tried to go back
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to the studies that are solid,
you know, that people have done
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good research that
people can depend on.
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They're not shady studies about
things that really help us;
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and to the degree
of what they help us.
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And that's why we talked about
mushrooms, and some of these
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other common foods that we
could incorporate to help us.
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But, for instance,
they did a study about
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Australian white buttons.
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Those are a type of mushroom.
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And those showed that when
people eat those they increase
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an antibody in the
saliva called, IGA,
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and that helps
the immune system.
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So mushrooms, to some
degree, and that's quite a bit,
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50% increase in IGA.
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And if you think about the mouth
saliva, if you have those types
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of immune cells there, a lot
of the bugs we get get into us
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through the mouth. Uh huh.
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Some get into us
through the skin.
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But you eat a lot of stuff, and
a lot of the stuff we eat can
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have bad things happen.
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Well, if we have a great
immune system in our mouth,
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we can stop those bugs before
it gets down the road. Yep.
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So that's just one thing.
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They've also done a
study with white mushrooms.
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And white mushrooms can
help block an enzyme called
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estrogen synthetase enzyme.
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So when that is activated, you
decrease estrogen in the body,
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and we've talked about how
less estrogen is good. Uh huh.
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It also decreases the
risk of breast cancer.
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And they've shown that by
eating mushrooms regularly
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you can reduce
breast cancer dramatically.
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So if you have a high risk
of breast cancer in the family,
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I would for sure be
trying to incorporate some
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mushrooms in my
diet. Sure, yeah.
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But one of the things that
really is interesting about
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mushrooms is it has a chemical
in it called ergothioneine.
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That's a type of an amino acid.
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And what this does is it serves
as a cell protector, okay?
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The cell is damaged.
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We've talked
about oxidation, stress.
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Stress damages cells.
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And when cells can be
damaged is when they overwork,
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when they have
a toxin, whatever.
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Well, this Herbathione found in
mushrooms seems to protect the
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mitochondria, the
energy storehouse of a cell.
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It seems to decrease the death
of cells; lets the cells live
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a bit longer in the energy.
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So a lot of people now are
saying that mushrooms might
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have some anti-aging effects.
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And if we can keep the energy
part of the cell alive longer,
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this is going to help every cell
in the body in many different
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ways that we're just
now discovering. Yeah.
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Now the best source of
this new type of amino acid,
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this Herbathione is mushrooms,
but we also get some of it in
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beans, like black
beans, or kidney beans.
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But if you want to help
your energy cells in the body,
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you might try throwing in a
portabella every now and then.
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So do you eat
mushrooms very often?
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Yes, I do. I mean if I go
to Thai place I try to choose
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an entree with
mushrooms in it. Yeah.
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Occasionally I'll have a
Portobello sandwich, okay?
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If there's mushrooms in my
salad, occasionally I'll chop
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them up, especially if I'm at
a salad bar, I'll put mushrooms
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out there and do it.
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I haven't been a big buyer of
mushrooms, but that's why we're
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trying to educate people
about things that they can get
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that might help them.
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So the next time you want to
say, Hey, I want, maybe you want
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to try this to
improve my immune system.
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Maybe they can add
a mushroom for health.
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Now we have to be
careful about some mushrooms.
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And I'm going to talk
about that a little bit later.
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Yeah. I was just going
to say, I've got a lot more
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questions about mushrooms.
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We're going to have to take a
break, so we'll be back in just
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a moment, and learn
more about as for medicine
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when the Ultimate
Prescription returns.
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