With the rising cost of health
care, and disease being more
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prevalent than ever, more
and more people are starting to
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pay attention to
what they eat and drink.
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Stay tuned to today's program
where we're going to be talking
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about food as medicine.
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The Ultimate
Prescription starts now.
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I'm Dr. James Marcum.
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Are you interested in
discovering the reason why?
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Do you want solutions to
your health care problem?
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Are you tired of
taking medications?
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Well, you're about to be
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Hello, and thank you for
joining us here today at the
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Ultimate Prescription, a program
dedicated to helping us better
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understand God's
design for our lives.
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I'm your host, Nick Evanson,
and we're talking here with
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Dr. James Marcum today
about medicine as food.
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And, Dr. Marcum,
welcome to the program.
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Well, it's nice
being here, Nick.
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And I'll tell you, I had a
great night's sleep last night.
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That's wonderful!
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I went to bed early listening to
some music, and the next thing
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I knew it was
midnight, and I said, Man...
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And you're still
listening to the music?
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Yeah, I was
listening to the music.
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I turned it off
and went to sleep.
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You know, sleep is
so important. Yeah.
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When the body's rested and
renewed itself, sleep is one of
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the most valuable treatments.
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I know we're talking about food
as medicine, but I'm going to
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divert for a little bit, and
talk a little bit about rest,
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and how important that rest is.
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You know, there's so
many stressors in the world,
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from all over, whether it
be our food, or the climate,
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or worries that we see.
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A lot of people now are
stressed even by politics.
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Are you? Do you watch politics?
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I try not to watch too much
of it, but if you watch the news
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at all you can't
help but see some of it.
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You know, why is the news
always, it seems like it always
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has negative stories.
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I wish they required you
to have just as many positive,
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and feel good
stories as they do negative.
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That would be good for us.
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Anyway, so a lot of people
are stressed out these days.
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Well, I'm diverting, but
the opposite of stress is rest.
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And I frequently, in
addition to nutritional things,
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there's other aspects
of health, I frequently
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prescribe rest to people.
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And the three different types
of rest: there's the physical
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rest, and I did really
good with that last night.
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There's also the mental rest.
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You know, some
people are busy 24/7. Right.
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And they're just
doing stuff all the time.
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And their brain
actually needs some down times,
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like turning your computer off
lets it reboot, so you can rest.
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And everything comes
back on better if you rest.
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A lot of people feel
guilty for doing fun things.
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You know, going out
and doing something that
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you'll really enjoy.
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But, you know, I was in
Europe not too long ago,
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and some of those
people in Europe don't have
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the best of habits.
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And yet I noticed that their
health, especially their chronic
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disease, was much less than what
we have in the United States.
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And they take time off every
day just to rest and have fun.
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Yeah, just enjoy
life a little bit.
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That's important. So
that's the second type of rest
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to counteract the
stress of the world.
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And the third type
is found in Matthew.
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The text in Matthew 11:28 that
says, Come unto Me all you who
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are weary and heavy laden,
the ones that are stressed out,
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and God gives us rest.
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So our worship is a
treatment for stress.
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And now we have studies that
show when we're in worship our
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stress chemistry goes
down, our brain improves.
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It helps even our DNA do better.
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So that's why I had a
good sleep last night.
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My stress level has come
down a lot, and I'm wearing
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comfortable shoes today.
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That's important, too.
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So when your feet are
happy the whole body's happy.
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So we're talking about
food and beverages today.
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Yeah, so rest is something that
will benefit everybody. Yep.
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Nutrition is as well. Uh huh.
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But I imagine there might be
one specific type of patient who
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benefits the
most from nutritional
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attention to what they eat?
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Well, we're talking
in this series about
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nutrition as medicine. Uh huh.
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Remember foods have
chemicals in them that
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changes our physiology.
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Well, you know, we know certain
foods that we need just to stay
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alive and give us energy, and
our proteins, our carbohydrates,
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some fats in our diet. Right.
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But now we're learning
that there's specific chemicals
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in certain foods that
can treat disease conditions.
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Now are these chemicals similar
to chemicals found in say
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prescription medications?
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Well, yes they are.
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You know, they're all chemical
compounds made up of carbon,
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and nitrogen's, and
hydrogen bonds hooked
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together in fancy ways.
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Then when they get into
the body, some enter and
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do different things.
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Some are broken down by
the body to do certain things.
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God has just made us so
complicated biochemically.
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It's just amazing how
all these chemicals interact.
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Now we've, of course,
developed chemicals and
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the physiology of medications.
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Okay, I went to medical school.
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We spent a lot of
time learning about those.
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But remember, a lot
of times those just treat
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one chemical pathway.
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But now we're looking at
nutrition as a way to treat
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specific disease conditions.
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You know, to actually
change our physiology.
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Now is every plant good?
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You know, and that
everything that we eat good?
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Not necessilarly, you know.
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Have you ever had
poison ivy lately?
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Not lately, but as a
child I had it quite bad.
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Well, that wouldn't be
something you would use as a
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medication, you know.
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Not that I'm aware of.
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But now we have studies on
certain foods, the chemicals of
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certain foods, and we actually
studied the amount that can
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actually change our physiology.
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So some people that come to
the office that have certain
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conditions we now can say,
Listen, we now have certain
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foods you can eat that
will change your chemistry,
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and treat this condition. Right.
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And some people choose to have
a medication for their ills,
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to treat a symptom.
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Some people choose a nutritional
aid, and sometimes there's other
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things that we can do.
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Sometimes I can just prescribe
rest and it helps a person out.
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Right. You know, rest is
a treatment for something
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like high blood pressure.
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Rest would be something for
treatment; it's a treatment for
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inflammation, so it
helps different things as well.
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So all these
different things that come into
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our body have changes.
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And we've
actually studied these.
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And what I've done in this
series is I've specifically
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looked at the literature.
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Now there's lots of
things that have not been proven
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and might be helpful.
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But they also might be harmful,
just like eating poison ivy.
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You wouldn't
necessarily want to do that
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as a nutritional treatment.
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There's lots of
plants that are good.
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There's some plants
that aren't so good.
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And I've actually looked through
the studies that have been done
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on certain plants, and these
are studies that have been done,
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and proven, and
repeated, and replicated.
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And these are things that I
think would definitely be used
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to treat certain
disease conditions.
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And I wanted to bring
those to our audience,
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just so they could
start thinking about these.
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And this might be something
that they might want to apply
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to their life to
treat certain conditions.
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That makes sense, but I think
there's a perception out there,
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and I could be wrong,
but I think people look at
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medications, let's say, this
is just water, but let's say
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it was a medication.
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People will think,
This is going to heal me.
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The doctor gave
me this prescription.
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I have faith that this
is going to work. Right.
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And I think sometimes when
we're talking about nutrition,
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people don't expect that
nutrition can have a dramatic
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effect on their health.
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Is that right? Are people?...
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Yeah, I agree with you
that we have some slick
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marketing out there.
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Lots of people want something
that will fix them, you know,
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or they think, when it's been
marketed as it's going to fix
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you right now, where it
really just treats a symptom,
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at least in chronic diseases.
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The chronic diseases, medicines
really don't fix the problem,
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they just treat the symptoms.
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And in chronic diseases, I mean
things like type 2 diabetes,
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high blood pressure, obesity,
joint pains, not sleeping well
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at night, maybe
even anxiety depression.
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Some of these chemical
changes that happen chronically,
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if we can get at the cause,
that is really much better
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than just treating symptoms.
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But everyone wants a quick fix.
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It's been marketed
that way, and we've done it
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for years and years.
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The pharmaceutical industry
is making a lot of money;
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billions of dollars.
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They have lobbyists.
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They hit us in medical school.
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You know, they don't
call it physiology school,
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they don't call it
nutritional school,
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they don't call
it lifestyle school,
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they call it medical school.
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We're taught about
these chemical pathways.
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So you're right
in that perception.
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And that's what we're trying
to do here is give people some
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alternative things to think
about, show them the evidence
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behind it, and let them know
that this is something they can
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incorporate into their lives.
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There's
evidence based behind it.
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This is things we can do to
ways to get at chronic disease
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if people want to do that.
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Now some people say, No, I
just want to treat the symptom.
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And that's their right to do so.
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But we want to give
them some truth and let them
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know what's out there.
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That's right. And some
of these chronic conditions,
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if they're taking a medication
for it, they're going to be on
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these medications for the
rest of their life potentially.
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Right, and every medication
has some side effects.
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And you have to
deal with that as well.
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And those medications
are treating one path,
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whereas the nutritional
alternative might benefit a lot
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of areas of your life.
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Yeah. So we've looked at some
specific foods and beverages
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that change our chemistry that
we can use just as effective
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as a prescription pill.
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Right. And on today's program
we're going to talk about
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hibiscus and other
beverages that might have
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some healing powers.
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And this is a hibiscus tea here
that we've steeped a little bit,
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and it's got a
nice rich red color.
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It looks delicious. Yeah.
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What can you tell us
about hibiscus, Dr. Marcum?
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Well, you know, before I
talk to you about the study...
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Is hibiscus a flower?
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What is hibiscus?... What
is the background on hibiscus?
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Here's a fun fact...
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I think it is a flower.
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Everybody knows
commonly about the flower,
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because it's very beautiful.
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But hibiscus is actually
the name given to more than 250
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species of herbs,
shrubs, and trees of the mallow,
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or Malvaceae family. Yeah.
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How about that? There's
over 250 different items that
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are labeled hibiscus.
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You know, and so taking
different herbs and things
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in us, you know, we
have to talk to our doctor,
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because certain
herbs are not good. Right.
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Certain herbs have
been studied, certain herbs
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have not been studied. Right.
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Okay, well this is one of
the teas that's been studied
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very well, hibiscus.
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And actually Tufts University,
they actually studied this.
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And they had people drink three
cups of hibiscus tea a day,
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and they showed that it
lowered your blood pressure,
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the sostolic blood
pressure about six points, okay?
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Then another thing
that they wanted to study;
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they took people having
two cups in the morning.
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They found that was as effective
in lowering blood pressure
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as a medication we
prescribed called taking
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captopril twice a day.
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Wow, that's significant. Yes.
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As effective as
using the medication.
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Yes, they studied that.
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And the point is is
this has been studied.
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You know, of course, hibiscus
has a few side effects, too,
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you know, if you
use it as medicine.
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The main one is the chemicals
in it are a little bit acidic.
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Now you've done some background.
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It has quite a few different
acids in it, doesn't it? Yeah.
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Yeah. And you do have to brush
your teeth, because it can hurt
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your enamel afterwards. Sure.
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And, of course, you
don't want to take too much
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of any good thing in.
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So you don't want to do that.
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But you do have to
rinse your mouth afterwards.
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But hibiscus is something
that people can add to their...
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If they have high blood
pressure they might want to use
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hibiscus tea instead
of a medication to lower
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their blood pressure.
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Also hibiscus has lots of
antioxidants, and other things
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that are beneficial that they
haven't studied in studies yet.
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So a lot of these
plants have studies on them,
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but there's lots of beneficial
things that have not been
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studied that they can
incorporate into their lives.
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So recap just there.
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You mentioned a
couple conditions that
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hibiscus is good for.
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Recap those for us.
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Yeah. Hibiscus is
especially good for
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lowering blood pressure.
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And it's been shown in the
Tufts University study to be
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just as
effective as the medication
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captopril twice a day.
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It also has
antioxidants, which might help
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some with inflammation.
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Antioxidants are
sort of anti-aging,
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keeps us from rusting;
might help our DNA do better.
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So there's less
mutations, there's less changes.
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So there's lots of things that
we're learning about this tea
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that's beneficial to us.
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And now how to put it in our
diet, that's another challenge.
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Yeah. And for that challenge
we've turned to our friend,
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Kristina McFeeters, who
runs a health food store.
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She helps education people on
some of these natural remedies
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that you can use, and she's
going to show us how to make
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this hibiscus tea from scratch.
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And so we're going to
turn it over to Kristina.
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Welcome to Kristina's Kitchen.
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I'm Kristina McFeeters.
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Today let's explore one of
my favorite ways to incorporate
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hibiscus into my diet.
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I'm going to show you how
to make ice tea out of loose
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leaf hibiscus flowers.
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You can find dried hibiscus
flowers at any bulk herb store.
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Also, if you don't want to
make your own tea you can find
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tea bags with hibiscus
at any health food store,
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and some grocery stores.
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If you want to make your
own tea with loose leaf herb
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one of the things that I
like to use is a tea ball.
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It makes it very easy.
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There's very little cleanup.
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If you don't have a tea ball,
you can put the herbs straight
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into your cup, and then
just pour it through a strainer,
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to strain the pieces
out before you drink it.
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We're going to use the tea ball.
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And the most common rule of
thumb for most of your herbs
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is about a teaspoon to a
tablespoon per cup of water.
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Because the hibiscus flowers
are large, and take up a lot of
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space, we do a
tablespoon per cup.
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We're going to put the tea ball
in the cup, and see if I can
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keep the chain out, so it
will be easier to get out later.
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And we're going
to add boiling water.
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When I'm making ice tea I
like to fill up my cup half full
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with boiling water.
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And once it's steeped I can fill
the rest of it with ice cubes.
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We're going to let this
steep for five to ten minutes,
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and then we'll add our ice.
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If you like to sweeten it
at this point, you can add some
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sweetener while it's still hot.
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But hibiscus tea has a
sweet, but tart, tangy flavor.
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And I like it
without any sweetener at all.
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So our tea is done steeping.
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We're going to remove
the tea ball out of our tea.
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And we're going to add ice cubes
to fill up the rest of the cup.
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See how fun and simple that is?
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It's guilt free,
full of nutrition, amazing
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antioxidants, and so delicious.
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Be sure and try this at home.
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Thanks, Kristina.
That was a great demo.
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And using loose leaf like
that, it's probably the most
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economical way to do it.
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But you also, like we have here,
you can just use these tea bags,
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and it makes it pretty
convenient and easy, but maybe
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a little bit more expensive.
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But if you haven't tasted this,
this is, it's rather a tart,
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kind of like a,
maybe a cranberry almost.
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But it's very
delicious, very good.
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But, you know, if you think
about it, you know, the tea bag,
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of course, you know, you
get the chemicals out into the
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beverage from the tea bag.
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And we get those good chemicals
that lower your blood pressure.
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So, you know, you think about,
after you've had a tough day,
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you're really
stressed out from work.
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Your blood pressure
might be going up a little bit.
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Well, this would be a good
beverage to help bring down
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the blood pressure, help
sort of calm you, and relax you.
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So that was really
great that Kristina
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showed us how to do that.
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Yep. Well, we've got to take
a break, but we're going to be
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back in just a moment as
there's lots more to talk about
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regarding food as
medicine. Stay with us.
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