Food is medicine isn't really
a new concept, but it does have
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dramatic
implications for our lives.
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I'm Dr. James Marcum.
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Thanks for joining us here today
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I'm your host Nick Everson, and
I'm here with Dr. James Marcum.
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And on today's
program we're going to be
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discussing, Food As Medicine.
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It's not a new concept,
but it's a very important one.
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Dr. Marcum,
welcome to the program.
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Yeah, this has been an exciting
topic to talk about, because not
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often do you hear how
food can treat disease
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as well as prevent disease.
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And what we've done is we've
looked at the different studies
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that have been done,
and pulled the science out.
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And we're trying to teach people
how to add these to their lives,
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so they might feel
better and do better.
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And it's hard to know
where truth is sometimes.
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Yeah, I was just going
to say, you mentioned some
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scientific studies here.
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Those are great sources.
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There's also sources on
the Internet, and you know,
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your friends tell you
different things about health.
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How do you know what is a
reliable source when it comes
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to finding out the
truth about health?
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Well, it's very hard.
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And not only for
medicine, but for anything it's
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hard to know the truth.
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You know, you see stuff on the
Internet, and on these websites,
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and on TV, and it's hard to
sort through who's making money,
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who's not, who might
have a conflict of interest
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when they're
writing these things. Sure.
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So it's even hard
for me to sort through.
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But a couple of things that
I've done is, one of the things
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that I've done is I try
to go back to the Scriptures,
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and test it with the Scriptures.
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Is what they're
teaching and saying in harmony
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with the Scriptures? Right.
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So that's one thing
that has helped me out a lot.
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There is a
place for medicines...
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Don't get me wrong.
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...in modern treatment,
especially in acute problems.
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Right. But for
chronic disease I sort of
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shake my head sometimes.
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But there's some good websites
that I think have some great
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information, and one of them
I like to think is our website.
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And what we try to do at
Heartwise as a ministry is we
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try to give the balance.
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You know, there's a
place for modern medicine.
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There's a place
for lifestyle medicine.
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And it's not all about the food.
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There's other things
in our life that makes up
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our chemistry, too. Right.
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And we let people
know that balance.
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And we help look
at other studies,
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and see what's out there.
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And we sort of
give that balance.
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And not everyone has
the same formula for health.
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You know, what might
work for you might not
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work for someone else.
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But one thing that we add is
we put, we let people know that
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the most important thing
is that relationship they have
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with the heavenly Father.
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Because that's what heals us.
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That brings us all together.
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Some people I see might not
ever do everything, or anything,
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right healthfully, but as long
as they have that relationship
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they know that God's grace is
enough to bring healing. Right.
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And that's encouraging.
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So we show that
worship, how worship also,
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separate than
exercise and nutrition,
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also has a healing
effect; what it does to our DNA,
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what it does to our brains.
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So we like to think our website
is a good source of information.
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Right, right. There's one that's
very good for diabetics called,
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Physicians Committee for
Responsible Medicine. Okay.
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That's Neil Barnard's site.
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And if they go to our
website, we have these in
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our reference page,
where they can find them again.
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I mean Neil's been on our radio
program, and he's very good
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for type 2 diabetics.
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Another good site is
Michael Greggor, and that's:
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That is the site
that I go to the most for
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nutritional information.
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Why is that? Because
there's no conflict of interest.
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Dr. Greggor's
not making any money.
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He's not in
anyone's back pocket.
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I know him from being
on our programs before.
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He has a good heart.
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He just wants to help people.
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And what he does is he reviews
every single nutritional study
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out there and looks at it.
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And he's the reason a lot
of these studies are now coming
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to the surface,
because he's publicizing.
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And he's taught us
which ones are good studies,
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and which ones aren't good.
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So that's an excellent
site at: NutritionFacts.org
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Another good one that I work
with is, you know, I don't know
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if you've heard of
the China Study. Uh huh.
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T. Colin Cambell wrote that.
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But his son, Nelson Cambell,
has created a wonderful website
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wonderful website called:
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And that website not only has
communities that you can join
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to learn how to be
healthier, and eat good,
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it's got cookbooks.
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It's got meals you can actually
buy for an affordable price.
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It's got ideas. It's
got ten day jump starts.
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It's got lectures. A
lot of things it can do.
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It's sort of like a jump
starter if you need some extra
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help to get
healthy, and understanding.
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So those are some sites
that I use on a frequent...
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And there's many
other good sites.
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Dr. McDougall has a good site.
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Joel Fuhrman has a
site that helps many people.
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So there's many other good sites
out there that help people get
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good information about how
you can use food as medicine.
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Dr. Hippocrates
doesn't have a site.
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You know, back when he
was alive, a long time ago,
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they didn't have the Internet.
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But we have so much information.
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I see that you have
an iPad there. Yeah.
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We can get information so easy.
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But it's hard to know
what's good information,
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and what's bad information.
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Because everyone is
throwing stuff out there.
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You know, how do you
know what to believe?
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Do you believe what Dr. Oz says?
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Do you believe
what Dr. Fuhrman says?
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There's so much out there.
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So that's why... That's
what I do to find out the truth.
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Go to the Bible.
See if it makes sense.
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Look at the scientific studies.
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And that's what we're
trying to do in this series.
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Go through the food.
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And there's many
other scientific studies
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that we're not looking at.
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But I tried to choose
the strongest studies about
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the foods that where people
could use food as medicine.
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Yeah. Now if people haven't
seen you on the program before,
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what type of foods
are you advocating here?
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Oh, we try to advocate
basically eating a whole food
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plant based diet. Eating foods
that grow that God's given us.
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Based on what God told us in
Genesis about what He wanted,
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designed us to eat: fruits,
vegetables, nuts, and grains.
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In the Scriptures we have the
original health study in Daniel
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which says he wants
to eat food that grows,
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that's real food, not a lot
of processed foods, and Kibbles.
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Now some people have
to eat that to stay alive.
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We certainly understand that.
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And some people, you know,
mental health belief systems.
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Those are things that
we have to put into the
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equation for individuals.
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Because remember, not
every one has the same formula.
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And I tell patients sometimes,
I would rather have you be happy
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and eat, you know,
something bad occasionally,
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than be an unhappy ogre
and eat perfectly. Right.
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Our brain
health's important, too.
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But what I found is as you work
with people, and teach them how
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to do substitutes, eventually
God helps them that when they
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eat bad they feel bad.
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And they're doing
things for the right reasons.
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Not for them, but they're
doing things because God is
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moving in their lives.
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And that's what we try
to get across at Heartwise.
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So that's sort of
what I recommend is a whole
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food plant based diet.
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That's not being a vegetarian.
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That's not being a vegan.
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That's eating
predominately plants.
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That doesn't mean you
never can have something else,
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if that's what it takes to
sort of give you the balance.
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But that's sort of
what we recommend at our
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Heartwise Ministries website.
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Yeah. Now this
sounds like a great plan.
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Is there a movement in
society headed this direction?
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Or if not, why is there not
more people headed this way?
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Because it's so good for
us, and the research shows it.
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I think, you know, if you think
back, if you'll look back in the
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50's for instance,
everyone thought that cigarettes
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were the best things, you know.
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In fact there was a study
that showed that cigarettes,
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they thought was a
treatment for lung cancer.
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We know that that's not true!
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And, you know, you wonder
who paid for that one. Right.
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You know? And yet throughout
time, now we know that
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cigarettes are still so bad
for us, and yet 20% of people
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still smoke cigarettes: 20%!
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And yet we know how bad it is.
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Well, I think as time goes
on we're going to find out that
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certain foods that we
are putting in through years
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and years is what's
attributing to our health.
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And if you look, like
every year the rates of cancer,
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heart disease, high blood
pressure, obesity, diabetes,
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sleep apnea;
they go up every year.
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Well, something's
causing it. Right.
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It just doesn't happen.
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And yet prescription
drugs go up each year. so
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So it doesn't take a
person very long to figure out
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the system is not working.
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Well, what's
causing chronic disease?
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Is it the food?
Is it the stress?
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Is it our lifestyle habits?
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And you have to
say, Well, probably.
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And just like cigarettes,
sometimes there's a lag time.
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And sometimes people
can even have the truth,
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and still not do
anything with it. Right.
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You know? And that's a shame.
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But we're not here to judge
people; we're here to love them,
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give them the truth, introduce
them to the relationship with
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God, that's a healing force.
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And then let God work in
their lives to make changes.
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So we've got some
food to talk about today.
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What do we have here?
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Yep. So today's topic
we're going to talk a little
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bit about turmeric. Okay.
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And turmeric is a root.
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This is actually one
that looks just like turmeric.
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But this is what? This
is ginger actually, right?
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That's ginger, but
they look the same.
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They look almost the same.
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And so this one looks
like it in its natural form.
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And you can buy it this
way at the grocery store.
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But there's also
supplements, pills.
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It's the same
thing, right? Uh huh.
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And you can get it that way.
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This may be a little bit
easier to put it down that way.
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But this is a good thing to
be used for a spice in foods,
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and of things like that.
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What is so good about it?
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Well, it's
interesting about this root.
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In India they use the
pigment, the yellow pigment,
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the curcumin, that's the
active ingredient that seems
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to help so much. Okay.
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They noticed that people
that lived in the country
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of India had less cancer,
less inflammatory disease.
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And when they sorted
through it they said,
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It must be the curcumin.
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Because they ate a lot of that
spice in all their foods. Right.
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And it's in this root.
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And I used to try to put
this in my oatmeal every day.
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It was just too
labor intensive. Sure.
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So now I've moved to
the capsules; what I use.
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It's yellow because it
has this pigment in it.
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And there's been so
much research on it.
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I'm going to share a
little bit of this research,
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the science that's been done
to prove that this is something
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that someone might want to
add to their treatment regimen.
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Well, there's 5,000
articles that have been done,
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about 50 clinical trials where
they compared it to people on
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it to people off of it.
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And the literature is very
strong for two things that this
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seems to help: 1. in cancer,
both preventive and treatment,
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and 2. in
inflammation in the body. Okay.
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So this seems to help,
in looking at the studies;
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four different
types of ways for cancer.
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It seems to stop DNA from
mutating into cancer. Uh huh.
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It works as an anti-oxidant,
which decreases free radicals,
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which stimulate cancer.
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It helps it to slow down.
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It's an
anti-prolifer to the agents,
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so it doesn't divide as fast.
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And it also seems to stimulate
things in our body that has
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the cancer to
self-destruct. Okay.
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So it works on different
mechanisms, this curcumin.
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Very good at doing this.
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Other things that's been shown
to help, studies have shown
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that it helps in lung disease.
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Again, it
decreases the immutations.
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One study that I read, up to
33% lower mutations in people
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that take this
that had lung cancer.
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Cancers like multiple
myeloma, that's a blood cancer.
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One of the studies on pancreatic
cancer; that's one of the most
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deadly cancers that we have.
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It's just a
really aggressive cancer.
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And they studied
different people with advanced
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metastatic pancreatic cancer.
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And out of those people, 2
out of 21 tumors responded to
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curcumin or turmeric. Right.
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Whereas if they wouldn't have
had that they would have died.
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So this is something
that seems to help a lot.
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In other studies it
seems to help people recover
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faster after surgery.
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It helps treat inflammation
in people with different types
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of arthritis and joint pains.
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And also it just, in my life
it's helped my inflammation.
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You know, I had some bad feet.
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You know, my feet, I
had tendonitis in my feet.
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And it seemed to help
the tendonitis a great deal.
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Now if you want to increase the
amount of it, some people mix
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black pepper with it.
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That has a chemical called
paperine, and that increases,
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slows down the metabolism
so you can raise the amount
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of the curcumin, which is the
active ingredient of turmeric.
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So there's a lot of different
things that this root can do,
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this pigment within the root.
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And it's been very solid.
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So the two things that I
want people to take home is this
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can really help
with inflammation,
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and this can really help
in preventing different types
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of cancers, and perhaps
treating it at some level.
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Now does it take
cancer away all of the time?
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No, but it certainly could
be an adjunct to people that are
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getting other types
of therapy for cancer.
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Right. Now is there any
difference between having the
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root raw and taking
the pill supplements?
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Yes, there is. I always
think if you can take it in its
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natural form it probably gets
absorbed better into your body.
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Okay. But for me it
just wasn't practical.
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Not only did I do that,
and I got pigment on my fingers
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every day, it took
too much time. Sure.
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So I just have gone to...
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You know, some people, you
know, have a capsule that they
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break and
sprinkle on it? Uh huh.
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Some people take
these type of capsule.
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But if you notice, if you touch
it long enough, or you cut it,
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your fingers would
get the yellow pigment,
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which is the curcumin.
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That seems to be the active
ingredient that helps us so
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much, even though studies of
also shown that the root itself
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has some health
benefits as well. Really?
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Now I think it's so interesting
that as we learn more about
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food, and as science develops
there's going to be more and
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more studies showing all the
different values that food have.
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Now why haven't we
seen this before? Right.
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Well, no one's making a billion
dollars a year doing studies
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showing the different chemicals
that are in that that acts
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similarly to the chemicals
that we have in pharmaceuticals.
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Right. But I've noticed
that the food that God gives us,
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it helps our entire chemistry.
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Now people that are taking
this they have to be careful
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if you have gallstones, because
it can increase, and may cause
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the gallstone to, the
gallbladder to contract.
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People with kidney stones, they
might have to do that because
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you know, it increases the level
of a chemical called oxalate.
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And an oxalate can
sometimes lead to stones.
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So people with that
might have to cut down their
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dose just a little bit.
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But it just shows in the
studies most of them have about
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a quarter of a
teaspoon a day, you know,
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about 250 milligrams of this.
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And if you look at this
right here, this has in it...
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Um I can't, let me
see, it tells you how many
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milligrams it has in it.
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But it says this has at least,
ah, oh this has at least 2.
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This one has 350 milligrams.
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So each of the doses
have a little bit different.
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But at least a quarter of
a teaspoon of this to help
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in inflammation, help
lower the risk of cancer.
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So this is something that I
take every day because I think
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the literature is so strong.
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Yeah. You know I didn't
realize it had the ability to
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positively effect so
many different diseases.
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Yeah. And it's just those are
things that are very valuable.
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And that's just
what we know now.
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I'm sure more is going to
be discovered as we move on.
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Alright. That sounds like some
great advice regarding turmeric.
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There's more to come, and we'll
be back in just a moment after
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a short break on the
Ultimate Prescription.
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