The following
program presents principles
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designed to promote good health
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and is not intended to
take the place of personalized
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professional care.
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expressed are
those of the speaker.
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draw their own conclusions
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about the information presented.
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Have you ever lifted
something in the wrong way,
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or may be overworked your body
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and woke up next
morning unable to sit up?
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Back pain could be crippling.
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But there are some
treatments that can help.
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Stay with us to learn more.
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I'm Dr. James Marcum.
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Are you
interested in discovering
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the reason why?
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You want solutions to
your healthcare problem.
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Are you tired of
taking medications?
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Well, you're about to be
given the Ultimate Prescription.
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It was around 9:00
pm on a Friday evening
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when I realized
that I made a mistake.
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My back had
been aching all week,
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and I hadn't done
anything about it.
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And by Friday
evening I realized,
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you know, this is the problem
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that's not
going away on its own.
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Dr. Marcum, have you ever had
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something like
that happen to you?
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Yeah, I've had back
pains, and you know,
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we're in a series
talking about pain
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on different parts of the body.
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And on today's program
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we're gonna
talk about back pain.
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Yeah.
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And it's one of the
most common causes of pain.
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And it's something that
affects almost every one
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in the course of the lifetime.
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And we're gonna talk
about that, what causes it,
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some simple
things that we can do.
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So what did you do
with your back pain, Nick?
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Well, you know,
I had an accident
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where I fell on my hip
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and I don't know if
that caused it or not,
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but there is just a lot
of pain in my lower back.
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And you know, I'm young,
I thought it will be fine,
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it will go away on its own.
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But then I
waited till the weekend
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whenever everyone closed
and the help wasn't available.
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And then I
finally decided, you know,
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I need to see someone.
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But fortunately a good friend
of mine is a physiotherapist.
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There you go.
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And so I went and saw
him at his convenience,
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and he was able to
help fix my problem.
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Well, that's a good thing.
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And, you know,
we're gonna talk about
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back pain, the basics,
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and
unfortunately a lot of people
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suffer from back pain,
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and it's not treated correctly
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and it becomes
a chronic problem.
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And then it grows and
it gets bigger and bigger
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and sometimes it
leads to operations.
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Lot of people don't realize that
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operations aren't successful
every time on the back.
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In fact I read a statistic
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that said
operations are only effective
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50 percent of the time.
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Yeah, wow.
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Now if we remember, you
know, what's in our back is,
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you know, that we
have a spinal cord
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that go through our back
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and that's how we sense
the world through that cord.
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And that cord has spaces
where the nerves come out of it
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and goes throughout the body.
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So there is a lot
of nerves going on.
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We talked earlier
about pain in nerves
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and pain from damage to nerves.
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Yeah.
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And unfortunately
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if you think about
it this way is that's
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where a lot of nerve activities
happening in our back.
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So if we don't
treat our back correctly,
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it causes
trauma to these nerves.
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Now just think
about it for a second,
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one of the biggest traumas
that we have on our back,
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okay, is sitting.
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Yeah, right.
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And we weren't
really made to sit
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for prolong periods of time.
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And how many
people sit all day long,
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they work at computer desks,
and they don't move around.
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And when you don't
move around, guess what?
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It can put the
back in bad positions,
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it can put muscles
that squish on nerves
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and it does that chronically,
it can cause damage.
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Right, right, yeah.
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Now if that's not
bad, what about cars?
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You know, I see
lots of truck drivers
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with back pain, it's
just from the posture.
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Yeah.
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They don't get up
and move and exercise.
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So the back is also made to move
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and stretch and exercise.
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When we don't do those things,
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we get lagged
into certain positions
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and sometimes the
nerves are compromised.
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Okay. Okay.
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Another thing that that I see is
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people lift the
weights inappropriately.
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You know, they're
trying to lift weights
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and they're
really not warmed up,
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they hurt their back
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when they're just
trying to lift the weights.
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They bend in
certain ways and it's that,
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and then they have pain.
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And then a lot of the back pain,
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Nick, it would get
better if we would just rest,
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and let it heal.
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Yeah, right.
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And unfortunately when
a person has a back pain,
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oh, we're in a
fast going society,
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we cannot rest, okay.
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Where we cannot take the
time off to get it better,
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so we might take some pills,
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we might take some
anti-inflammatories
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we keep going, and
then all of a sudden
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the muscles pulls on a nerve,
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it gets worse
and worse and worse,
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and before a long
it becomes chronic pain
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and we make the
problem much worst.
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Now you respond, you
saw physical therapist,
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what did he do for you?
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Well, my hips hadn't
been aligned properly
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after whatever caused
that, whether it was a fall
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or whatever else.
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And so he was able
to do a manipulation
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that helped readjust my hips.
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And I guess that had caused
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the muscles in my
lower back to be stretched.
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And at first you know, I
thought it was gonna away
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but then after a while,
the pain got worse and worse.
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And almost instantly
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after he did the manipulation
to get my hips back in line,
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I almost
instantly I felt better.
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Yeah.
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Although there was
some residual soreness
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that lasted for couple of days.
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Now that's great,
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'cause that's a great way
for people that have back pain
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if it doesn't heal,
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a physical therapist
is the good place to go.
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Yeah.
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They also might
want to see their doctor
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to make sure it's
nothing more serious
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like a slipped disk.
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Usually those type
of people with back pain
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has a pain that
radiates into the legs.
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Yeah.
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And it usually doesn't go away
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with rest and
conservative measures,
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and we can do
some tests, you know,
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MRIs and CAT scans
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which can look to
see if a disk is slipped.
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We also have fancy
test to look to see
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if the spinal
column is infiltrated
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or things of that nature.
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But most of back pain is
caused by what we call is
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we don't use our back correctly.
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Right.
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Now another big cause
of back pain nowadays is
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because the blood vessels
to the back are compromised.
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And what causes that?
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Yeah, well, think about it.
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We've talked in
previous programs
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about the heart.
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Too much fat clogs up
the arteries of the heart.
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Right.
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Well, guess what?
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It just doesn't
stay with their heart.
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Too much fat can clog up
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the arteries to the spinal cord,
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okay.
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And if the
arteries to the spinal cord
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aren't getting
enough blood, guess what?
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Another source of back pain.
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Okay.
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Even though trauma, posture,
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lifting incorrectly is
probably the most common.
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We also see blood
vessels being compromised.
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A smoker that has
a lot of back pain
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and we can't find
out physical problems,
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it could be the blood vessels
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aren't as good as they should be
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and that's triggering
pain when they do things.
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But I see a lot of
people that have back pain
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and unfortunately rather than
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getting at the
cause of the back pain,
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which is usually posture
or a stress on our muscle,
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you know, doing the
exercises, the stretching,
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they jump to a medication
a little bit too quickly.
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Now there is
place for medications.
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And sometimes
medications with bed rest
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can let the medicines heal.
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You know, the medicines help
to turn down the inflammation,
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the inflammation goes down,
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and the nerves
can heal on its own.
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Sometimes physical therapy
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or chiropractors can
take pressure off the muscle
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which lets the
nerves relax and heal.
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But when people
don't do that, Nick,
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it just makes the problem worse,
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because you're not
getting at the cause,
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they're treating a symptom.
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And everyone wants to get back
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to doing what they can so soon,
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that they wanna jump,
jump, jump to the final step
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and they don't want
to take the time to heal.
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And in our fast pace world
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everyone's moving
around doing too much.
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Now after you had
your back problem,
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what did your physician
do to help your back out,
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I mean to prevent it
from happening again?
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Right, well, I
ask him about that
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because I said, you
know, this happened once.
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He said, likely that
will happen again and he said,
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you know, it very well could.
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For me it stems from a problem
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actually that I had
long ago with my knee,
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I have a knee injury, I
partially tore a ligament.
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And I've functionally reduced
the amount of flex in my knee.
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So my left leg
functions a little short,
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my right leg
functions a little bit long,
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and that causes my
hips to be misaligned.
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So he told me if we
could do some stretching
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to get my legs
functioning equally
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that would help
my hips stay in line
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and then not
cause the back pain.
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Yeah, so I guess
the first big point
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we have today if
you have back pain,
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don't be afraid to rest.
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Yeah.
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Get at the reason why,
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and think about
some physical therapy,
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a short course of
medication might be useful.
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Right.
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Those are all
things and then of course
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if it doesn't go away,
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they progress to the CAT
scans and MRIs with those
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to have surgery on your back
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or long term
medications are the last place
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we want to go.
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We want to try to find out
anything else we can do first,
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which brings me up
to a story I heard.
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Have you ever heard
this term, placebo effect?
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Yeah, sure.
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Okay, I don't like that word.
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I like to call
it healing beliefs.
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Yeah.
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You know, if a person believes
that treatment's helping them
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and it actually does help them,
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because the
brain has the ability
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to help heal the body.
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That's right.
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You know, we've
talked about inflammation
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but healing belief,
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just sometimes our body
can do things for itself
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they can help heal it.
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I remember a story I heard
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about the islands
out in the Pacific.
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I don't know if
you've ever been there,
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but they have,
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there is this bunch of young men
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out on the
islands of the Pacific.
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And there is these bad guys
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they would just fall
over dead in their 20s.
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Oh, my...
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And no one knew why.
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Yeah. Okay.
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So they did the
autopsies on these fellows
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and there was nothing
wrong with them at all,
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nothing wrong.
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They were completely healthy
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and they were
falling over death.
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Well, they did some
evaluation into that
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and they found out that
there was these witch doctors
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that were
sticking needles into them,
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and these gentlemen thought
that they were gonna die.
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They just believes
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what they were
to, they would die.
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Yes, they believed.
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So healing beliefs has a very
important treatment in pain.
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Right. You know.
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If you have
believe in a treatment,
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if you believe in something
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it has some chemical properties
that helps our body separate
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than anything
else we can understand.
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Our bodies are much more
complicated than we think.
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Right.
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As far as our
brains, our genetics
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and we know that
people that are positive
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that believe in the treatment
that they are receiving,
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they do much better,
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so there is really
not this placebo effect,
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it's they believe
it's helping them.
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Yeah.
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And I've heard of
people that have back pain
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that get rest and
they're giving you know,
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just some minor things
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and they believe
it's helping them,
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they do the things
right and just that in itself
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has a very powerful ability
for the body to heal itself.
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Yeah.
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But I really want to focus on
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how important rest is in
treating back conditions.
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Yeah.
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You know, some
people don't believe
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that they need to go
see someone to get help.
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I didn't know, you know,
I thought four, five days,
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I didn't believe I needed help
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but then after the
sixth or seventh day
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I believed, you
know, I do need help.
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What do you say to people
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who are reluctant to go
get their back checked out?
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Well, think about it, you know,
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a little problem can become
a big problem pretty quick,
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you know.
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If you had your car that
was knocking a little bit
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or the engine light came on,
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would you keep driving that car
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mile after mile down the road?
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And it gonna
get stuck somewhere.
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No, you have a warning light
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that something's
not wrong, right.
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Something is not right, yeah.
Right, something is not right.
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And pain is sign, a
warning light in our body
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that something is not right.
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That's right.
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And whether which organ it is
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when we're
having pain in the back,
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sure most of the time
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back pain is
not life threatening
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like heart pain or
some other types of pains.
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But long term it
could be a big problem.
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So if you're having
pain that's unexplained,
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that doesn't go away in a
short period of time with rest,
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you might want to
see a professional
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that can evaluate this.
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And you know, general
providers can do this,
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physical therapists
are excellent at this,
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and there is some
chiropractors that are very good
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in helping you understand
the cause of the pain,
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especially when it comes to back
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and can teach you some things,
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whether it be getting up
and moving every hour, resting.
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And they also can
evaluate you to see
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if it's something more serious.
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Right, right.
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Well, sounds like
some good advice there
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and we've got
questions from our viewers
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and we're gonna get
to those in just a moment
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after the break.
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