I once saw a video of a man who hooked up a sound 00:00:16.78\00:00:20.08 system that amplified the beating of his heart. 00:00:20.12\00:00:22.75 Then, he danced to the rhythm. 00:00:22.78\00:00:25.35 That's something we all can do as long as there's rhythm. 00:00:25.39\00:00:29.89 Stay tuned... 00:00:29.92\00:00:31.26 I'm Dr. James Marcum, 00:00:31.29\00:00:33.16 are you interested in discovering the reason why? 00:00:33.19\00:00:36.63 Do you want solutions to your healthcare problem? 00:00:36.67\00:00:39.53 Are you tired of taking medications? 00:00:39.57\00:00:42.14 Well, you're about to be given the "Ultimate Prescription" 00:00:42.17\00:00:46.78 Arrhythmia, atrial fibrillation, supraventricular tachycardia... 00:00:47.98\00:00:54.38 If your doctor has been tossing these words around with you, 00:00:54.42\00:00:57.42 you might want to pay particular attention to today's program. 00:00:57.45\00:01:00.46 We're talking rhythm and your ability to dance 00:01:00.49\00:01:03.53 the dance of life. 00:01:03.56\00:01:05.69 Dr. Marcum, we're addressing questions sent into the 00:01:05.73\00:01:07.86 heartwiseministries.org website today, 00:01:07.90\00:01:10.03 and the first one was simply, "What is arrhythmia?" 00:01:10.07\00:01:13.87 What do we need to know? 00:01:13.90\00:01:15.24 Well Charles, an arrhythmia means an abnormal heart beat. 00:01:15.27\00:01:20.28 So any time I want to classify something as abnormal, 00:01:20.31\00:01:25.45 I can call it an arrhythmia. 00:01:25.48\00:01:27.58 That would account the abnormal rhythms that comes from the 00:01:27.62\00:01:30.69 top part of the heart, that would come from the 00:01:30.72\00:01:33.36 abnormal rhythms that come from the 00:01:33.39\00:01:34.92 bottom part of the heart that would include a heart 00:01:34.96\00:01:38.03 that's going too slow. 00:01:38.06\00:01:39.59 That would even include a heart that skips. 00:01:39.63\00:01:42.26 All of those we could classify as an arrhythmia. 00:01:42.30\00:01:45.53 What as a normal rhythm of the heart, 00:01:45.57\00:01:48.04 we call that "normal sinus rhythm." 00:01:48.07\00:01:51.34 So I found in your introduction very interesting how 00:01:51.37\00:01:54.58 a person could hear his own heart. 00:01:54.61\00:01:57.31 And, you know, I brought this, a lot of people... 00:01:57.35\00:02:00.38 we used to use these a lot, Charles. 00:02:00.42\00:02:02.38 I'm going to let you hold this for a second. 00:02:02.42\00:02:04.05 Do you know what that is? 00:02:04.09\00:02:05.42 Don't you use that for tuning the piano or something. 00:02:05.45\00:02:07.79 Yes, well not tuning the piano but what we'd use is this sound 00:02:07.82\00:02:10.59 that's exactly what we'd use it for... 00:02:10.63\00:02:12.63 We use it to test people's hearing. Okay 00:02:12.66\00:02:15.13 For we would put it here and put it up next to your ear. 00:02:15.16\00:02:18.07 Now you have to sit back, sit back and relax Charles. 00:02:18.10\00:02:21.14 So I'd hit it here. I hear that. No, no, I know it. 00:02:21.17\00:02:24.17 Do you still hear it? Yep, yep. 00:02:24.21\00:02:26.44 Does it seem to sound about the same here? 00:02:26.47\00:02:28.98 Yes it does... We can do that and we can 00:02:29.01\00:02:30.85 also put it up behind your ear. 00:02:30.88\00:02:33.11 Do you feel that vibrating there? I do, I do 00:02:33.15\00:02:35.72 And then I put it behind the other ear, 00:02:35.75\00:02:37.45 and if you felt that vibrating, then you would know 00:02:37.49\00:02:40.06 that your neurology part of that part of the body, 00:02:40.09\00:02:43.76 the hearing part, is in pretty good shape. Okay? 00:02:43.79\00:02:47.13 Now what does that have to do with rhythms? 00:02:47.16\00:02:50.77 Can you hear your rhythm? Can you feel your rhythm? 00:02:50.80\00:02:53.94 Well, you know, a lot of songs have rhythms to it. 00:02:53.97\00:02:58.31 Hearing, sounds, rhythms, rhythms of the heart, 00:02:58.34\00:03:03.08 I think it all sort of goes together. 00:03:03.11\00:03:05.75 The heart singing a song when it's in rhythm, 00:03:05.78\00:03:08.05 and when it's in rhythm everything works together. 00:03:08.08\00:03:10.75 When it's out of rhythm, things don't work good. 00:03:10.79\00:03:13.52 When the top is going too fast, it beats like that... 00:03:13.56\00:03:16.36 When the bottom is going too fast, 00:03:16.39\00:03:18.06 it can't generate a blood pressure. 00:03:18.09\00:03:20.00 So the rhythms of life just like we want to hear these 00:03:20.03\00:03:23.06 good rhythms coming from our 00:03:23.10\00:03:24.43 heart, because it affects everything... 00:03:24.47\00:03:26.20 So just like a tuning fork, you want to hear 00:03:26.23\00:03:29.37 the things coming from that to know you have good hearing. 00:03:29.40\00:03:31.74 So the rhythm of your heart is basically a heart in tune, 00:03:31.77\00:03:34.88 a heart that is okay, gotcha. 00:03:34.91\00:03:37.15 It's running good, everything is working good, 00:03:37.18\00:03:40.02 and it comes from - just like this is part of our 00:03:40.05\00:03:43.39 neurologic system; the rhythms of the heart 00:03:43.42\00:03:45.92 has some neurological properties as well to that, 00:03:45.95\00:03:48.86 and the signals move down these little wires. 00:03:48.89\00:03:51.29 It's very interesting how God made it; depends on how 00:03:51.33\00:03:53.93 sodium and potassium and magnesium move in and out of 00:03:53.96\00:03:57.23 cells - it can have genetic abnormalities; 00:03:57.27\00:04:00.24 it could have abnormalities that we cause it to have as well. 00:04:00.27\00:04:03.34 So understanding rhythms of the heart is something 00:04:03.37\00:04:06.17 very important because almost all people at some point 00:04:06.21\00:04:08.98 has felt their heart not do what's right. Yes 00:04:09.01\00:04:11.31 They felt it skip or go too fast or... 00:04:11.35\00:04:13.58 how do I know what to worry about? 00:04:13.62\00:04:15.48 When is it dangerous? 00:04:15.52\00:04:16.85 When should I seek medical attention? 00:04:16.89\00:04:18.85 These are all things that we want to talk about. 00:04:18.89\00:04:20.76 I've noticed that sometimes when I'm taking a medication 00:04:20.79\00:04:24.39 my heart will do that. 00:04:24.43\00:04:26.49 It's kind of scary because you realize you have one heart, 00:04:26.53\00:04:29.66 and you are depending on that one heart to get you 00:04:29.70\00:04:32.17 through life and if that one heart starts acting up, 00:04:32.20\00:04:35.60 it kind of frightens you and I guess probably the fear 00:04:35.64\00:04:39.54 of that is not good for the heart, 00:04:39.57\00:04:41.11 and so there becomes a cycle that begins to develop there. 00:04:41.14\00:04:44.61 There is this arrhythmia and that scares me which causes 00:04:44.65\00:04:47.62 more arrhythmia which scares me... there you go! 00:04:47.65\00:04:49.68 Right, it can self-perpetuate so you feel a skipped 00:04:49.72\00:04:53.09 heartbeat and then you get more scared and your body 00:04:53.12\00:04:55.59 makes more adrenalin and the adrenalin stimulates 00:04:55.62\00:04:58.29 another heartbeat to skip. 00:04:58.33\00:04:59.93 And sometimes the heart rhythms are in there genetically 00:04:59.96\00:05:03.53 and, I like to say, they're asleep. 00:05:03.57\00:05:05.20 You know, they're just sleeping there. 00:05:05.23\00:05:06.57 Even though your genes for that rhythm might 00:05:06.60\00:05:08.50 be there, they're asleep. 00:05:08.54\00:05:09.87 They have lots of blankets on that rhythm, 00:05:09.90\00:05:11.54 they're sleeping nice and then sometimes, in our lives, 00:05:11.57\00:05:14.38 we do things that take the cover off and we actually 00:05:14.41\00:05:16.85 wake those rhythms up. 00:05:16.88\00:05:18.31 What are things that wake up abnormal rhythms? 00:05:18.35\00:05:20.68 Low on potassium, lots of fear can cause skips, 00:05:20.72\00:05:25.52 having thyroid abnormalities, having lots of pain in the body. 00:05:25.55\00:05:29.22 Basically anything that causes stress that we've talked about 00:05:29.26\00:05:33.63 can stimulate the heart to skip - to mess up the rhythms, 00:05:33.66\00:05:37.33 these naturally rhythms of our heart that we want to have, 00:05:37.37\00:05:39.93 it can cause the stress and it can cause it to skip 00:05:39.97\00:05:43.34 and it can wake up genetically abnormal rhythms as well. 00:05:43.37\00:05:45.94 Is there any time that arrhythmia 00:05:45.97\00:05:47.31 is actually a good thing? 00:05:47.34\00:05:48.68 Well, there's a normal rhythm, like I say, if you have an 00:05:48.71\00:05:51.78 infection and the heart needs to pump more blood, 00:05:51.81\00:05:53.85 it can speed up naturally and that's a natural speeding up. 00:05:53.88\00:05:56.99 Because if you're sitting there quietly, 00:05:57.02\00:05:58.35 but you have an infection, your heart rate may go up... Yes 00:05:58.39\00:06:01.22 because of xxxxx xxxxxxx infection... Pump more blood... 00:06:01.26\00:06:02.82 uh huh If you're scared and need to run, 00:06:02.86\00:06:04.93 you know, you're fighting a battle, 00:06:04.96\00:06:06.83 you know, let's say me and you have little tussle 00:06:06.86\00:06:09.50 later on in the show... Never! 00:06:09.53\00:06:10.87 And we start and you know, then your heart would speed up 00:06:10.90\00:06:13.40 so you could defend yourself. 00:06:13.44\00:06:15.87 You're gonna hit me? No, no I'm not... 00:06:15.90\00:06:17.64 But that's a normal stress response, 00:06:17.67\00:06:20.28 and a normal stress response is good. 00:06:20.31\00:06:22.54 An abnormal stress response is not good. Oh okay 00:06:22.58\00:06:25.35 So an arrhythmia is any slow heartbeat, fast heartbeat, 00:06:25.38\00:06:29.18 skip heartbeat that's not normal, we can lump that 00:06:29.22\00:06:32.85 into this term called, "an arrhythmia." 00:06:32.89\00:06:35.56 All right, very good, we're looking at questions 00:06:35.59\00:06:37.86 from heartwiseministries.org on the rhythm of the heart 00:06:37.89\00:06:41.50 and here is another one... 00:06:41.53\00:06:42.86 What are some of the symptoms 00:06:42.90\00:06:45.77 of an abnormal electrical system. 00:06:45.80\00:06:49.14 We have an electrical system... Yes 00:06:49.17\00:06:50.51 And that electrical system really is 00:06:50.54\00:06:52.24 where the rhythm comes from. Okay 00:06:52.27\00:06:53.88 And on the top we have a battery called the "sinoatrial node," 00:06:53.91\00:06:57.98 and then it travels down to wires called the "AV node," 00:06:58.01\00:07:01.88 and then there's a delay and it goes out through wires 00:07:01.92\00:07:04.55 to the ventricle and then when the signal gets there 00:07:04.59\00:07:06.35 the heart squeezes. 00:07:06.39\00:07:07.72 This is in the heart - all in the heart, 00:07:07.76\00:07:09.26 all these electrical signals. 00:07:09.29\00:07:10.63 So that's really what we call the "electrical system." 00:07:10.66\00:07:12.96 It's how the signals pass that generates 00:07:12.99\00:07:15.76 the squeezing of the heart. 00:07:15.80\00:07:17.13 We can measure that on EKGs, 00:07:17.17\00:07:19.80 we can measure it on monitors, there's lots of ways 00:07:19.83\00:07:22.47 we could measure it, but this person asked about 00:07:22.50\00:07:25.07 symptoms. Yes 00:07:25.11\00:07:26.51 Well, let's be logical about it. 00:07:26.54\00:07:28.84 If a heart is pumping too slow, we're not getting enough 00:07:28.88\00:07:33.38 blood to the body and if we're not getting enough blood 00:07:33.42\00:07:36.75 to the body, we might feel tired; 00:07:36.79\00:07:39.05 we might feel fatigued. 00:07:39.09\00:07:41.22 If we don't get enough blood to the brain, 00:07:41.26\00:07:43.22 we might pass out or get dizzy. 00:07:43.26\00:07:47.00 When we do something, our heart might not 00:07:47.03\00:07:49.56 speed up fast enough, so we might get short of breath. 00:07:49.60\00:07:53.34 Those are all very common symptoms of slow heart rhythms. 00:07:53.37\00:07:57.27 The heart is going too slow and it won't speed up. 00:07:57.31\00:08:00.78 Fast heart rhythms - okay, if it's going fast, 00:08:00.81\00:08:03.35 usually people can feel it going fast. 00:08:03.38\00:08:05.75 They get short of breath because the heart can't pump blood 00:08:05.78\00:08:08.55 as efficiently. 00:08:08.58\00:08:09.92 Sometimes their blood pressure goes down, 00:08:09.95\00:08:11.79 they get tired and dizzy. 00:08:11.82\00:08:14.26 Sometimes they even feel like their heart is jumping out of 00:08:14.29\00:08:17.13 them and they have chest pain when it's going so fast. 00:08:17.16\00:08:19.73 It can feel like a normal thumping. 00:08:19.76\00:08:22.43 So, those are all some feelings that the electrical system 00:08:22.46\00:08:25.70 might not be well... a feeling of going fast, 00:08:25.73\00:08:28.00 getting dizzy, passing out, unusually tired, 00:08:28.04\00:08:31.17 unusually short of breath... all of these could be 00:08:31.21\00:08:34.11 signs that the electrical system is malfunctioning. 00:08:34.14\00:08:37.48 Can you fix the electrical system? 00:08:37.51\00:08:39.11 Well you can help the electrical system, 00:08:39.15\00:08:41.02 and it's like anything that we've talked about 00:08:41.05\00:08:43.02 over and over... if you can find out what's 00:08:43.05\00:08:45.49 causing the problem, then you're going to be 00:08:45.52\00:08:47.56 successful in treating it. 00:08:47.59\00:08:49.02 For instance, if a stimulant is causing the heart to go out of 00:08:49.06\00:08:52.63 rhythm or go too fast... 00:08:52.66\00:08:54.30 Like coffee, caffeine... Yeah! 00:08:54.33\00:08:55.96 ... then let's get rid of that. Okay, okay 00:08:56.00\00:08:57.83 You know, if a thyroid is underactive, 00:08:57.87\00:08:59.83 sometimes the heart can go too slow. 00:08:59.87\00:09:02.67 Sometimes medicines can make the heart go too slow. 00:09:02.70\00:09:06.57 But most of the time, when the heart is going 00:09:06.61\00:09:08.94 too slow, it's because the conduction system, 00:09:08.98\00:09:11.21 these wires have gradually gotten old, 00:09:11.25\00:09:13.78 they're sort of worn out or the batters are worn out, 00:09:13.82\00:09:16.79 and there's not much we can do about that 00:09:16.82\00:09:18.92 except give them a device called a "pacemaker." Yeah 00:09:18.95\00:09:22.12 Now, when the heart goes too fast, there could be things 00:09:22.16\00:09:25.69 that wake that rhythm up, but then sometimes 00:09:25.73\00:09:28.20 these rhythms are genetically there. 00:09:28.23\00:09:30.43 We can destroy those. 00:09:30.47\00:09:32.23 The most frequent rhythms that I see in the office 00:09:32.27\00:09:34.94 includes "atrial fibrillation." 00:09:34.97\00:09:36.84 That's where the top part goes faster than the bottom part. 00:09:36.87\00:09:40.04 We see that on many different types of conditions. 00:09:40.08\00:09:42.81 And the other one we see frequently is "skipped beats." 00:09:42.84\00:09:46.18 People say, "My heart is skipping, I feel a thump, 00:09:46.21\00:09:49.12 and then nothing happens." 00:09:49.15\00:09:50.55 And for that type of rhythm, we try to find out, 00:09:50.59\00:09:52.75 "Well, what is stimulating that extra beat, 00:09:52.79\00:09:54.99 what is the stressor that's causing that to happen?" 00:09:55.02\00:09:57.73 And frequently, it might be something as simple as 00:09:57.76\00:09:59.89 caffeine. 00:09:59.93\00:10:01.26 I see it a lot in people that don't get enough rest. 00:10:01.30\00:10:03.20 They get sleep apnea, that happens! 00:10:03.23\00:10:05.03 That's another cause of arrhythmia. 00:10:05.07\00:10:06.43 You don't get enough blood, it puts stress of the system, 00:10:06.47\00:10:08.80 the heart can start beating abnormally. 00:10:08.84\00:10:10.81 So these are sort of our approach, 00:10:10.84\00:10:12.64 but those are sort of the symptoms that comes 00:10:12.67\00:10:15.01 when you have an abnormal 00:10:15.04\00:10:16.54 electrical system. All right, very good. 00:10:16.58\00:10:18.51 Another question from heartwiseministries.org 00:10:18.55\00:10:21.82 Is atrial fibrillation the same as supraventricular tachycardia? 00:10:21.85\00:10:27.22 Yeah, and that is a very important question, Charles, 00:10:27.26\00:10:30.36 and it's a great question because they can almost feel 00:10:30.39\00:10:34.00 the same, but the treatments are vastly different. 00:10:34.03\00:10:37.27 Atrial fibrillation, remember we talked about that's 00:10:37.30\00:10:40.00 where the heart, the top, is just beating randomly, 00:10:40.04\00:10:42.40 it can't get the blood to the bottom very good, 00:10:42.44\00:10:45.17 it feels about the same as this other one called, 00:10:45.21\00:10:47.61 "supraventricular tachycardia." 00:10:47.64\00:10:49.71 Supraventricular tachycardia is a rhythm that usually 00:10:49.74\00:10:52.48 comes from one spot where the heartbeats regular, 00:10:52.51\00:10:55.08 but it goes very, very fast, so it feels the same. 00:10:55.12\00:10:58.39 Now how would we tell what rhythm it is - usually is 00:10:58.42\00:11:01.26 with the monitor or an EKG, then we could see the beats 00:11:01.29\00:11:04.89 on the heart and say, "Well that's atrial fibrillation, 00:11:04.93\00:11:07.26 or that's supraventricular tachycardia." 00:11:07.30\00:11:09.90 Supraventricular tachycardia we can get that sometimes 00:11:09.93\00:11:13.84 to go away just by doing maneuvers that stimulate 00:11:13.87\00:11:16.71 the part of our body called, "the vagal nervous system." 00:11:16.74\00:11:19.97 If you had SVT and rubbed your neck real slowly, 00:11:20.01\00:11:22.78 that could break that rhythm, or if you bared down 00:11:22.81\00:11:25.85 like you had to go to the bathroom, that could turn 00:11:25.88\00:11:27.68 off that arrhythmia. 00:11:27.72\00:11:29.42 And if we can't turn it off, that's one rhythm that seems 00:11:29.45\00:11:32.22 to be a genetic rhythm that we can actually go up 00:11:32.25\00:11:34.92 and we can see where that small pathway is and we can 00:11:34.96\00:11:37.73 destroy that so that person doesn't have 00:11:37.76\00:11:39.93 to have that ever again. 00:11:39.96\00:11:41.36 Whereas atrial fibrillation, we have to look at all 00:11:41.40\00:11:44.27 the different causes of atrial fibrillation 00:11:44.30\00:11:46.60 including high blood pressure, sleep apnea, thyroid disease, 00:11:46.63\00:11:50.61 heart disease, valve disease, many things can cause it, 00:11:50.64\00:11:53.81 and treatment would be to try to get it back in rhythm 00:11:53.84\00:11:56.71 or at least to slow it down and consider a blood thinner, 00:11:56.75\00:11:59.85 because if it's out of rhythm all the time, 00:11:59.88\00:12:01.98 there's a chance that it could form a stroke. 00:12:02.02\00:12:04.15 In fact, it's estimated that 1 in every 3 strokes is from 00:12:04.19\00:12:07.96 atrial fibrillation where they are not taking a blood thinner. 00:12:07.99\00:12:11.59 So it's scary - did that answer that question? It did 00:12:11.63\00:12:13.29 I think so and... It's not the same, 00:12:13.33\00:12:15.00 these aren't the same rhythms, we have to differentiate 00:12:15.03\00:12:17.00 because the treatments are so different. 00:12:17.03\00:12:18.73 How do you know... this person wants to know, 00:12:18.77\00:12:21.24 "How do I know if I need a pacemaker?" 00:12:21.27\00:12:22.80 I mean, if these things are happening, 00:12:22.84\00:12:24.17 the rhythms are being weird, 00:12:24.21\00:12:25.54 is it time for a pacemaker automatically? 00:12:25.57\00:12:27.51 Well let me answer that question by you about a patient 00:12:27.54\00:12:30.15 of mine... I had a patient that came in the other day, 00:12:30.18\00:12:32.68 and he said, "You know what, I'm tired a lot." 00:12:32.71\00:12:35.35 "Okay, I'm just tired." 00:12:35.38\00:12:36.92 And the first thing I said, "Well, are you dizzy?" 00:12:36.95\00:12:39.62 He said, "Yeah sometimes I get a little dizzy when I'm doing 00:12:39.65\00:12:42.36 things and when I do things, I get short of breath 00:12:42.39\00:12:44.46 real quickly." 00:12:44.49\00:12:45.83 So I said, "Well there are quite a few 00:12:45.86\00:12:47.20 heart things that can do that," and I looked at his EKG 00:12:47.23\00:12:49.83 and it was going 38 beats per minute. 00:12:49.86\00:12:52.40 Okay, well that's okay if it's speeds up when you're doing it. 00:12:52.43\00:12:55.50 I said, "Well let's send you home on a monitor." 00:12:55.54\00:12:58.11 So he wore that monitor and I noticed that he was 00:12:58.14\00:13:01.41 having slow heart rate all the time, even when he did things, 00:13:01.44\00:13:04.65 and sometimes in the middle of the night... 00:13:04.68\00:13:06.05 No wonder he was tired. Yeah 00:13:06.08\00:13:07.42 Sometimes in the middle of the night, it went down to 20. 00:13:07.45\00:13:10.09 So his heart wasn't going fast enough to supply the 00:13:10.12\00:13:12.72 blood supply and the oxygen that every tissue needed. 00:13:12.75\00:13:16.16 So, in this gentleman, his conduction system 00:13:16.19\00:13:19.39 had gradually gotten older, things just don't 00:13:19.43\00:13:21.53 work as well and he was a candidate for a pacemaker. 00:13:21.56\00:13:25.23 So he received a pacemaker and guess what? 00:13:25.27\00:13:27.54 His symptoms have now improved dramatically. 00:13:27.57\00:13:29.80 So now he can do things and he doesn't get tired. 00:13:29.84\00:13:32.17 His blood pressure is not quite as perfect 00:13:32.21\00:13:34.64 as your normal rhythm, but it's a dramatic 00:13:34.68\00:13:36.71 improvement - you know, he went from about a 35 to 70, 00:13:36.75\00:13:40.12 so increased his cardiac output by 100%. 00:13:40.15\00:13:43.25 So you get more blood around to all your organs, 00:13:43.28\00:13:46.25 you're going to feel a lot better than if it's 00:13:46.29\00:13:47.76 going slow all the time. 00:13:47.79\00:13:49.12 And nothing he could eat or no amount of exercise 00:13:49.16\00:13:51.59 or type of exercise would have altered that at all. 00:13:51.63\00:13:53.80 Not for him, no. In fact, sometimes the parts 00:13:53.83\00:13:58.00 wear out and need to be replaced, 00:13:58.03\00:13:59.77 and that was the case with him. We live in a world of sin. 00:13:59.80\00:14:02.44 The part just got old, but luckily, this is something 00:14:02.47\00:14:04.71 that we could do for him because if we couldn't do it, 00:14:04.74\00:14:06.88 eventually he'd fall down and hurt himself, 00:14:06.91\00:14:08.84 or eventually his heart would just stop 00:14:08.88\00:14:10.55 and he would pass away. 00:14:10.58\00:14:12.11 You know, what's hard though Charles, is occasionally 00:14:12.15\00:14:14.72 people get very old and we have to put a pacemaker. 00:14:14.75\00:14:18.35 That's a much harder decision. All right, very good. 00:14:18.39\00:14:20.59 We'll have more good questions 00:14:20.66\00:14:21.99 from heartwiseministries.org and a Bible text for you, 00:14:22.02\00:14:25.96 so stay right where you are. 00:14:25.99\00:14:27.33