Welcome back to the
program, I'm Charles Mills
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here with board certified
cardiologist, Dr. James Marcum,
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and we're talking
about heart disease here.
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And this is a very,
very important topic...
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So important that God
has given us a prescription
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for it right in the
Bible; a number of them,
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but one of them we
want to talk about today.
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And we'll put that up
on the screen for you.
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Here is the Bible
text, this is John 13:34,
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and here's what it says:
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... that's John 13:34
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Dr. Marcum, amazing a
prescription for heart disease
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right there in my favorite
book of the Bible, "John."
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Yeah, and people that love each
other and put other interests
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above their own,
become less selfish.
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Of course when you do that...
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You know if you
think of the brain,
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the selfish part of the brain
makes all the stress chemicals
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because I want to stay alive.
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So when you're under stress...
Me, me, I, I, yes, okay.
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Yeah, but when you move up to
the higher part of the brains,
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we love each other, the
part of the brain called the
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anterior cingulate cortex,
that develops as we worship,
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as we love each
other it can get bigger,
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turns down our stress chemistry.
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Can make a chemical called,
"endorphins" that makes us
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feel good... you know, you're
in love Charles. Absolutely!
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And you know
what it feels like...
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You're going to come
back after a long trip,
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you see your loved one
and you realize your love one,
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there's that good
feeling that you have...
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Well there's a chemical
reason for that and that reaches
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throughout the entire body.
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So when someone has love
in their life, true love,
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that affects the
entire chemistry of the body
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for the good in ways
we can't even understand.
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But likewise, the
opposite of love, selfishness,
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that affects the
entire chemistry of the body
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for ways that we can't
understand for the bad.
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That was a great text, Charles,
that love is a treatment for
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lowering your risk of
having a heart attack,
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and lots of
other things as well.
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So if someone came to
you with heart disease,
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you may give them a
prescription for love;
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go home and love your family;
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go home and love your neighbors;
go home and love your...
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Yeah, I would try and
move them in that direction
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slow but sure
and I say, you know,
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"What are you doing for fun?"
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"Are you happy, what do
you do to make yourself happy?"
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And if they start saying
that they serve other people,
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that they help other people out,
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I know they already have it.
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But if someone says,
"Well, I don't know what I do,"
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I say, "Well, what
do you enjoy doing?"
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"Where do you spend your time?"
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I can usually tell when
I ask someone "where they
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spend their time," whether
they have love in their life.
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But you know what, in our world,
there's a lot of "artificial
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love and it's not that true
love that only we can get from
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understanding what
God has, and that's a word
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that people, I think, will
learn about that word "love,"
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that guiding principle
of the universe forever.
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But love is so important
for the treatment of our bodies.
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All right, very
good... Okay, so more questions
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here from
heartwiseministries.org
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We invite you to
send your questions there.
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We like to address them
right here on the program.
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heartwiseministries.org
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"What are the
medications called,
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"statins," and
are they beneficial?"
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I've even heard people
say, "Because we have so much
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heart disease, let's put
statins in the water supply."
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I've been hearing
that for years. My!
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But statins are a medicine
which blocks an enzyme called,
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"HMG-CoA reductase."
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It's an inhibitor of
that enzyme and that enzyme
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is used to make cholesterol
and it specifically lowers the
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bad cholesterol which is called
the "LDL" which stands for
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"low density lipoprotein,"
"lipo" meaning fat,
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protein-fat together.
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So we showed studies that people
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that have that below a
certain level tend to do better.
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But as we've
talked about previously,
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cardiovascular disease
isn't just one chemical pathway.
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So some people that
are in high risk groups,
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I do think they'd
benefit from being on a statin
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as long as they're
not having a side effect,
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and one of the side
effects is muscle aches...
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We call that "myositis."
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Another side effect is a
side effect in the liver,
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and another side effect
that people don't think about
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that I include is - Does
this disrupt your belief system?
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Yes, some people they take
a statin and it disrupts their
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belief... they don't believe
they should take medicines.
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And it causes so much
stress because they have to
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take the medicine, that stress
is probably more dangerous
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to them that
actually taking the medicine.
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So if someone is going to be
all worried and scared to death
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that the statin might
cause a side effect that might
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take away the benefit
that statin might have,
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and I do run into
that occasionally.
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But if someone that
I think is high risk,
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I tell them the studies
that statins can reverse it,
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and I think it would benefit
in you, it helps inflammation,
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makes them more stable...
until maybe we can do some
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other things that might
lower your risk adequately.
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But if you have a
side effect, or you think
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you're going to be
scared to death of it,
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then it might
not be worth taking.
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But I use
statins every day safely.
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A lot of people... You
prescribe statins every day.
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Yes and I use them
on different patients,
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but those are patients that are
high risk that have blockages,
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and those patients - you
really need to take statins,
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whether it needs to be in
the blood supply, you know,
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... The water supply?
Yeah.. the blood supply...
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Well, it ends up in the blood,
but whether that needs to be
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done, it sort of
doesn't make sense to me because
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we're given a statin that's
going to lower a little bit of
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risk so people can
do whatever they want.
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But there are
alternatives also. Yes
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That's the thing,
why have all those risks
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when there are alternatives.
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And the problem is, Charles,
is people think that I can
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do whatever I want and the
medicine will take care of it,
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and that's the wrong attitude.
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And lots of people can
lower their cholesterol level
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by not eating animals;
you know, eating fresh fruits,
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vegetables, nuts and
grains; by exercising.
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There are certain things
that can help naturally to
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lower cholesterol as well.
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So there are many other ways
to do it; statin is one of them,
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and that's when I
think they are beneficial.
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Now what if I have a
person that is smoking,
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and he won't change his diet;
he's stressed out and he says,
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"I'm not interested
in changing any of that."
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Well then that's a
person, I'd say, "Well listen,
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You're a healer, you've got
to give him what he has to get.
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"Are you not
interested in doing that?"
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"Well maybe the statin will help
lower your risk a little bit,
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but doing these other
things will lower it this much."
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So you gotta love
people and not judge them
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and work with them as they
are, give them the information,
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and then sort of let them choose
once they have full information.
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Because don't studies
show that a lot of people
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that have heart attacks
have perfectly good numbers? Yes
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Because they've
been artificially
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lowered by the
use of statins. Yes
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Yes, it's more than numbers,
this is a very complex disease.
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Wow, okay... So
did that answer that
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question properly? Yes you did.
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Charles, you know, before we
go on, you know what this is.
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That is a stethoscope...
And I want you to put that
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in your ears here, Charles.
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All right. No, it
goes the other way. Okay.
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I have weird ears. Okay.
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This hurts. "Hello Charles."
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Oh, like on the radio...
Can you hear me? I can... Okay
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Well I'm going to
move here to the center,
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and let you listen
to my heart here. Okay
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You can stop me if
you can hear it. Okay
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I wore my scrubs here.
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He's alive! Yeah
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Did you hear that? I did. Okay
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This is a
stethoscope and this is
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what I use to
hear inside the heart.
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But I think it's very
valuable for all of our...
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Charles... you're
getting... I was just checking.
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Okay, okay. Yeah, yeah
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I shouldn't bring these toys
for you. I know, I love them.
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I think it's very useful
to listen to people's hearts.
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But that's why, you know,
there are people out there
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that we want to
listen to your heart today,
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and what is your heart
telling you about cardiovascular
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disease and your relationship
with God and all these things.
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You have to listen to
who you are and sometimes
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I'm afraid that we
get so busy with life,
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that we don't take a
chance to slow down to listen.
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You know, to listen to see what
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God is telling
us about our health.
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And God is telling
us, like your text,
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God is telling us a lot
of things about our health
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from the biblical teachings
as well as from modern medicine,
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but we have to be careful
with all that we bring in.
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But God will help
us as we listen to Him
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sort of guide us along
these pathways and help us
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live a life where we
don't have to be scared
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and worried about
disease all the time,
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and we can be proactive,
we can be our best physicians
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as God teaches us how
to take care of ourselves,
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and when to use medicine.
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This is a stethoscope -
this is a way for us to listen
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to our lives, the Bible is a way
for us to read in here and say,
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"How am I doing here?
How do I match up to this?
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How do I follow this?
Am I doing what this says?"
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If you're not
doing what this says,
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it's just as telltale as
the stethoscope that shows
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that something is
wrong with your heart.
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Yeah, and when we read this, we
want to know that we're alive.
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Oh my, yes. You
know, we have life,
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and people that
have love have life.
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People that don't have
love and don't have God,
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I really don't know - is
that really life? I don't know.
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They're alive, I don't
think they have a life.
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I think that something is
very...It's very interesting.
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Let's go to some
more questions. All right
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"Does everyone with coronary
disease need an aspirin?"
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Now this has been
around a long time.
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They take the aspirin...
what is it supposed to
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do to you and is it a good idea?
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Well aspirins, especially if
you're having a heart attack,
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you chew one up - it blocks
the formation of platelets
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which cause that clot.
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So if you're having a
heart attack, it's very useful.
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Most people that
had a heart attack,
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that means they
are at a high risk
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of having arterial problems.
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If they've had a heart
attack, they're at risk.
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Yes, they're at high risk.
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So almost everyone
that has coronary disease,
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the risk of taking
an aspirin is worth it.
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Now there are some
side effects to aspirin,
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and the most
common ones is bleeding.
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And if they are a
high bleeding risk,
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the risk might not be worth it.
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But I tell people that if
you've had a heart attack,
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if you have
unstable coronary disease,
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I think the risk of an
aspirin is worth it in help
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keeping the blood thin
so you don't have clots.
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Now, are there other ways to
keep the blood thin too? Yeah
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Yes there are, one of
the best ways is make sure
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you're hydrated.
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Keeping stress out of the life
helps keep the blood thinner.
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But aspirin is sort
of a time-proven element
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and really the risks
of it are pretty small
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as long as you keep an
eye on your bowel movements,
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make sure they are
not coming out black,
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making sure you're not
having stomach problems.
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Almost every one of my patients
that have coronary disease
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I recommend
them have an aspirin,
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unless they have side effects
or a strong belief system
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which goes to the contrary.
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You wouldn't want
to have someone on
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aspirin and a
blood thinner apparently.
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I do, and some people
that are so high risk,
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I have them on 3 blood thinners
at a time. That's scary!
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Because they are that high of
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risk of having a heart attack,
stroke or blood clot. Oh my
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And you always have to weigh,
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well which is
the riskiest thing...
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having a heart attack or having
a side effect of an aspirin.
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So a lot of my
patients are on aspirin.
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Okay, I think we have time
for one more question here.
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"I came home from the
hospital with 4 prescriptions,
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do I really need these?"
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Four
prescriptions, new ones it says.
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Yeah, medicines can
help stabilize the heart,
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and a lot of times, the heart
needs to rest so it can heal.
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A lot of the medicines we
have decrease the workload
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of the heart, either
slowing it down, lowering the
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blood pressure,
helping the heart get more.
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Some people do need medications.
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But in people that I have,
that can let the heart rest,
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let it heal, do these
other things to change
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their chemistry,
sometimes I can get them off
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the medication in time.
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But it really takes a
person that wants to do some
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other things to change
the chemistry of entire body,
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so I can get them off of
these specific medication.
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We need to make a
decision of whether we want to
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go God's way or
the artificial way.
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And you know, coronary disease
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is a disease
that can be reversed
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if we can get back to some of
the principles we talked about.
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It can actually be backed
up, you can back away from it.
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Yes and at least we
can make it more simple
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because all the
things we talked about
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is not only a way to prevent,
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but it's also a
way to treat disease.
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And reverse... I love that word
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"reverse," you
can back out of it.
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When we come back, one
of the best prescriptions
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I know for any kind of
ailment for the human person
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is communication
with the God of love,
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the God who invented
it, the source of all
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information and we'll
talk to Him on our return,
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so stay right where you are.
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You know, I use the stethoscope
every day to listen to
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people's hearts and, you
know, I could see that Charles
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really loved
listening to his heart,
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But we have a Friend that
wants to listen to our hearts.
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We're going to talk to Him right
now, let's bow our heads...
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Heavenly Father... There
are many of us out there that
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have needs and wants and hurts
and are in the need of healing
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both physically and spiritually.
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We want to thank you
for listening to our prayers
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and giving us a plan... Amen
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I want to thank
you for being with us,
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and if you have questions
that we didn't address,
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these subjects are very complex,
go to our website that's
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heartwiseministries.org
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There is a lot of other health
information you can get there.
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And, share this
information with your friends.
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Let them know that you
want to be part of their life,
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and you want to serve them by
teaching them about their hearts
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and more importantly,
realize that there's Someone
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who will listen to their hearts.
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