Those who have experienced
it, say that a heart attack
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is like having an
elephant sit down on your chest.
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So today, we're
going to do a little
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elephant hunting. Stay tuned...
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I'm Dr. James
Marcum, are you interested
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in discovering the reason why?
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Do you want solutions
to your healthcare problem?
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Are you tired of
taking medications?
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Well, you're about to be given
the "Ultimate Prescription."
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They say that
knowledge is power.
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When it comes to
coronary artery disease,
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we need all the power we
can get because the enemy is
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strong,
well-organized and sneaky.
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Well today, we're going
to learn how to be stronger,
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more organized and a whole
lot sneakier than heart disease.
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Heart disease for most people,
as Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn
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of the Cleveland Clinic insists,
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is a toothless tiger!
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It's often an
elephant filled with helium.
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Dr. Marcum, on our last
program, you shared with us how
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you determine if someone
is at risk for heart disease.
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Now let's get down to
the heart of the matter...
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How do we fight back?
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Charles, how do we fight back?
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Well that's, I think part of
how we fight back is watching
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programs like this
where we can learn more. Yes
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We can figure out
what a heart attack is,
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and heart cardiovascular
disease and do something
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before it happens to us.
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So that's one way we fight
back and realize the system
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is not always there
to help us or protect us.
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The "system" being what system?
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Modern medical
system. Okay, all right
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You know the pills and all that.
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That's
inflammatory what you just said.
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Yes, but at the same time,
we have to realize there is
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a place for it and
in understanding health,
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there's a place
for modern medicine.
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There's a place for good
nutrition - we talked about
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that and we talked also
about our spiritual lives.
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But today, we want to
focus on ways as to what is the
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appropriate use
for modern medicine.
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You know, what does it mean
to have a stent or a bypass?
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When is taking a pill correct?
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You see that pill there,
Charles? I see that pill, yeah.
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That is a big pill... I
would give that to an elephant.
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That's an elephant's size pill.
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You know, you said "the
elephant in the room," YES
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If he had a
heart... he might need that
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if he needed a pill. Yeah
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But sometimes pills are not
all that they might seem to be.
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Uh oh, I have a sneaking
suspicion that we have...
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Oh my, there's
something in there.
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Sometimes there's
things in pills that we like,
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like that pen
where we can write down
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truths that we
learn today. I like that.
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But sometimes it has things
that can cause us side effects,
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so we want to minimize pills
in that and yet if we need it,
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we want to know the
appropriate place to take it.
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But if we're having a
symptom, and we go see a doctor,
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the doctor is going to
give us the pill or a procedure
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or they're going to cut us
open and do something like that,
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when do we know to go see
the doctor and when do we know
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to go look in the
Bible and find out
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how we should be
living different.
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Yeah, and that's what
we're going to talk today,
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and I think it's a
very important question
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that a lot of people
don't know what's what. Yes
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And unfortunately, many
of the doctors out there
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they're great people,
but they work in their system
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that doesn't
sometimes promote balance. Okay
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And that's why we're here to
talk about that balance today,
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but if you're having a symptom,
modern medicine is great.
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You know, if I'm having a
heart attack, I want a stent!
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If the elephant is
sitting on the chest... Right
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You want the
elephant off the chest. Yeah
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But there also things
that we can do other than pills
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that can help us
not need those things.
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And that's what we
really try to focus on,
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and even if you
do need those things,
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all the things we've
talked about, you know the
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preventive medicines,
the mental - all that will
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help treat and prevent these
things from happening as well.
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All right, so if you do not
have an elephant sitting on your
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chest right now,
what you're about to hear
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are the things that
would be best for you
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if you would just start doing
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them right away if you
don't have the elephant.
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If the elephant
is sitting there,
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get to the
doctor now, not later.
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Do we have some questions
that have come in? Yes we do.
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heartwiseministries.org
is where you send your
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questions about these
topics, and I'm so excited about
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this because this is
what people want to know.
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First question-"How can I lower
my risk of a heart attack?"
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They haven't had
the heart attack yet,
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but they want to lower
the risk of the heart attack
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even though the family has a
strong history of heart attacks.
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Yeah, and I think that that
is one of the best questions
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a person can ask because
they want to lower the risk
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before something
happens. Yes, yes
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And remember, heart
disease, heart attacks,
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it's just not one thing,
it involves all the vessels
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of the body - it's just
not one chemical reaction.
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It involves everything and what
is so neat about heart disease
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is that you treat the heart,
you treat every organ because
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the heart carries blood
and nutrients to every organ.
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So the principles that we talk
about in lowering the risk of
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heart attack lowers
the risk of having other
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many conditions
that we might have.
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The first thing when
a person comes to us...
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"I have a strong
family history..."
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I start to talk to
them... Are they eating foods
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that will clog
up their arteries?
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So I really make sure
that they have a good diet,
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and what we try to move
people to is - away from fats,
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and more towards
real food, plants.
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I try to really work
on them on their stress.
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You know, some
stress relationships,
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their spiritual
journey - how that's all going.
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I make sure they
drink enough water.
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I also talk to them about...
do they have blood pressure
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that needs to be treated.
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Is their
cholesterol high right now?
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And sometimes I use
medicines as a bridge
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until they can change
their chemistry on their own.
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We talk about
things like diabetes;
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the stress that
comes from sleep apnea
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when people don't
breathe well at night.
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Are they
sedentary... just not moving
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around puts stress on the body.
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Are they spending too
much time sitting down all day
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which puts stress on the body.
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Are they spending too much
time with media or other things?
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Are they doing things
that help improve their stress
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like serving people;
are they resting well?
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Are they doing all these things
that they should be doing?
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Are they being outside?
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So a prescription for
heart disease could be
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volunteer at your local
soup kitchen? Absolutely!
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Absolutely Charles because
when we serve other people,
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that turns down our
stress chemistry. Yes
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So when we serve, that actually
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lowers the risk of
having a heart attack.
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When we get back to
the things that God gave us
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at the very beginning
and follow that template,
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all of those things have
beneficial chemical reactions.
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So everything that's
beneficial that lowers stress,
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also is going to lower
our risk of heart attack.
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When you have love in your life,
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it lowers your
risk of heart attack.
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When you have selfishness,
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it raises the risk to
give you a heart attack.
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When God said to us, "Love one
another as I have loved you,"
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He was giving us a
prescription for heart disease.
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Exactly... Wow!
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When He says, "rest."
When He says, "worship."
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Now we're learning
the physiology that all
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of these things are
things that can lower your risk
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of not only a heart
attack, but many other diseases
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because this treats the entire
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body not just
one chemical pathway.
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This lowers the
risk of us having cancer;
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lowers the risk of
having inflammation;
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lowers the risk
of having infection.
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So not only do we lower
the risk of heart attacks
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when we do these things,
but we do ALL of these things.
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But sometimes
genetics do catch up with us,
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and if a person
does all these things,
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they can still have a
heart attack, but if they do,
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we want to know
exactly have a plan in action.
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If I start having
pains, I'm going to do this...
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If I start having
this, I'm going to do that...
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But I'm hoping
I never have this.
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We also know that being
very positive and being upbeat
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and being very
happy, that's also
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very healing for our own body.
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"A merry heart doeth
good like a medicine."
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What I'm
discovering here, Dr. Marcum,
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in talking with you and
doing these programs is...
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The deeper we get
into the science of health,
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the deeper we
get into the modern
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medical abilities and science.
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When we're standing
there surrounded by all this
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technology and
all this information,
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we look back at the Bible and
it says - that's what He meant,
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that's why He said that.
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That's why "A merry heart
doeth good like a medicine,"
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why God gave us rest, why
God gave us a diet to eat,
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why God told us
that we need to have
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relationships
that are based on love.
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These are good for our health,
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for our physical
health and that's amazing.
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So when we say,
"biblical technology"
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in this program,
that's what we mean.
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Modern science is saying, "Look,
here's what makes you healthy,"
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and guess what... God
had a plan for us to live
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that way from the very
beginning, that's exciting!
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What excites me so much
is our God loves us so much
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He would never
give us recommendations
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that would hurt us. My my...
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But there are so
many counterfeits
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out there and
there's so many people...
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And what's so neat
about this is I've done health
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programming for quite a
long period of time now.
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The themes... the
themes to treat this disease
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and the other diseases, the
themes are pretty much the same.
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Try to change your chemistry
based on biblical technology;
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use modern medicine
when you're having symptoms;
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and don't get discouraged,
even if you have things
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that cannot be fixed,
stay strong in that hope
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you have in that relationship
because that's what's
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going to heal us
eventually in His time.
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And as we fall back on
these things, just knowing this,
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and knowing that we have
hope, that's healing in itself.
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One of the - I
almost hate to say it...
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One of the treatments
for heart disease is a stent,
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and I'm just curious Dr.
Marcum, are you a stent person,
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or are you a stent person under
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certain circumstances,
what's your take on that?
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Yeah, well let me
explain briefly what a stent is,
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and a stent is a small stainless
steel piece of metal that
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goes into the arteries and
we put it in over a balloon.
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It's on top of a little balloon
and the stent is on top of it,
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and we blow up the balloon
and then the stent sticks to
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the vessel's wall and it
squishes the plaque. Okay
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So more blood can now move.
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It doesn't get rid of
the plaque. No it doesn't.
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It doesn't take care
of the underlying problem.
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It squishes... It
squishes it, okay.
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So that heart that's
not getting enough blood
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can now see more
blood, and now it maybe can
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save a heart attack or it
can prevent a dangerous rhythm.
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So when would a stent be
something that's beneficial?
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If a person is having a
heart attack... Absolutely!
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Because if you
don't put the stent in,
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the heart doesn't get muscle.
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If the elephant is
sitting on your chest,
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don't talk to be
about broccoli. Right!
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Talk to me about
stents. Right, right now...
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If you can't walk across
the room because you have
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severe chest pain
and you can't breathe,
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and you can't do the
things you want to do,
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then a stent would
be worth the risk. Yes
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Are there risk of
stents? Absolutely
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Any type of medical procedure,
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there's a small
risk of having death.
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And when you put a stent
in, all of a sudden you now have
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coronary disease
and stent disease.
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See the stent is
made of stainless steel,
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and when the body sees this,
the platelets want to clot on it
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because it's a
foreign object. Yes
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So for a period of
time, we have to put people on
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powerful blood thinners
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depending on what
type of stent they have.
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Also the stents, usually
after time, the endothelium
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grows over that stent and it's
not as risky as time goes on.
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But if I'm
having a heart attack,
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if I can't walk across the room,
stents are very beneficial.
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We can put stents in
other organs besides the heart.
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We can put stents in the
aorta, we have stent grafts.
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We can put them in the blood
vessels that go to the legs.
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A pretty thick stent
here... Yeah, it's called an
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endograft, we put a stent there.
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We have stents in
the arteries or leg.
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They're even trying to
do things in the brain now,
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but the smaller the artery is,
the harder it is to stent it,
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and the more
complications we have.
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So, there is a place for stents.
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Now, when is not
a place for stent?
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Some people, if they just
have a blockage, it's 40 or 50,
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and they're not
having any symptoms,
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then that person
wouldn't benefit...
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Forty or 50 percent
you're saying. Yeah, blockage.
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You might not
benefit from that stent,
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and unfortunately, there
are cardiologists out there
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that are putting in stents
in vessels that don't need to,
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and they're putting patients
at risk that don't need to.
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So if you're ever unsure whether
you'd benefit from a stent,
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if you're not
having a heart attack,
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you can always
get a second opinion.
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But if you're having
symptoms, that's the place
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when your stents are
usually the most beneficial.
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Let me get this question
in here before our break...
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What are the
risks of bypass surgery?
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Good idea? Benefits? Dangers?
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Sometimes bypasses, when
patients that can't have stents,
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they're having lots of
symptoms, they can't walk,
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and we want everyone to
walk to lower the risk...
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Then the bypass just brings
arteries south of the blockages.
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It doesn't take
away the blockages,
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but it gives you
another source of blood supply
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so if that artery
did become 100% blocked,
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you wouldn't have as much
damage done to your heart.
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What are the risks
of bypass surgeries?
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Oh, there is lots of risk.
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There's a risk of infection.
There's a risk of dying.
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There's a risk of
stroke. They put you on special
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machines that run
your blood through machines
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while they operate on you.
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So there are
lots of risks of that,
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and it's very interesting,
Charles, that people don't
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think it's that big
of a deal to have your
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chest cut open and blood
vessels pulled out of your legs
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and sewed on to your
heart, that's not a big deal.
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You know, it's very
much accepted in our society,
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but if you ask someone
about, well, maybe you should
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cut back on the stress or maybe
you should eat more plants.
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OH! I can't do
that, that's a big deal.
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That's a big deal!
But to filet someone open
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and do this... so
we have to have a new
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way of thinking about
the treatment of disease.
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Treatment is for symptoms,
but all these other things
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we want to really
focus on to lower our risk of
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ever having to need this.
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They do bypasses almost
like on a factory basis. Yes
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People lined up and their
on a circuit and they just go
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from place to place
and person to person.
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It's so common now, but every
time they do it, it's dangerous.
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Yeah and a lot of people think
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it's a fix, "I can
do whatever I want,
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if I can just have a bypass,
everything is going to be okay."
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I was just reading now
that, as long as you're taking
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statins, people are taking
risks now because the statins
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are going to take care
of the cholesterol problem.
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Yeah and there's a
lot of misinformation.
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We're going to talk
about statins on our return
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because someone asked
questions about that...
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what are the medications
and what are the benefits
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and the risks involved there.
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So we'll talk
about that on our return.
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Also a Bible text for today...
Stay right where you are.
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