Welcome back to the program,
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and I'm your host Charles Mills,
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we're here with
Dr. James Marcum.
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We're talking about heart
disease on today's program,
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and the fact that we all have
some blockage in our arteries.
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I guess that's because we
just don't live as healthy
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as we should and
even the environment.
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I don't know if
everyone has blockages,
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but a large majority
that are under stress,
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a large majority that
they could, have blocked,
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but occasionally I study an
artery that's completely normal.
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One of the scariest things
I've heard in interviews with
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people is this...
That when parents, moms,
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are having a high fat
diet and eating a lot of dairy
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and meat and whatnot,
they have found arterial
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streaking in
unborn children. Yeah...
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Unborn children! The
streaking happens inside
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the baby before it's born.
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And that brings
up a whole-nother
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program sometime, you
know, women that carry children.
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You know, all the
things that they do
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affects the growing mom...
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They're setting them up
for heart disease from day #1.
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Yes and all sorts of
other diseases, you know,
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and we'll have to talk
about that sometimes...
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the food we eat, the stress
that pregnant woman are under,
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all that affects the
developing brain too.
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So we already know
about the fatty diets,
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and you pass that on to
the ones that you're nurturing
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and taking care
inside of you. Okay
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Let's go to the Bible,
God's Prescription Book
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and let's read a verse,
I'll ask them to put the
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verse up there on the
screen, listen to this...
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This is Exodus
23:25- this is God speaking
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to the children of Israel.
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"I will take it away.
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God's blessing will be
on your food and water."
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I guess we need to eat food
and water that God has blessed,
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and is there an indication
someplace what that food is?
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Yeah and I love that
text, Charles, because it says,
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"I will take away sickness,"
and so it ties sickness
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in to food and water
and we know that's a large
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component. And the
source of food and water.
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Yeah and years ago the
Greek doctor, Dr. Hippocrates,
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he talked about, "Let
food be thy medicine,"
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and that was a very wonderful
thing and we know that God
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gave us and we're now
proving it with the studies
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that are out there that are
whole food, plant-based diets.
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I think the studies that
have been done by Dean Ornish,
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by Dr. Esselstyn and
others have really proven
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that that's the healthiest
diet for our arteries;
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can reverse disease;
make these arteries bigger;
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that our standard
fat-filled American diet
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is not so good at all.
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And yet, here we're
giving a scripture years before,
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and I was talking
about, you know, as a food,
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and that's very
interesting about food for us
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because we think back,
"Well, God told us at creation,
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eat fresh fruits,
vegetables, nuts and grains."
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Daniel and his friends, another
story about pulse and water.
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As if, you know, we
had to be reminded again.
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And then the Israelites,
remember, they wanted to eat
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birds instead of manna and
then they got all sick. Yes
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So this is a very good text
that God has know all along,
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now that science is
again proving that the Bible
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has great prescriptions for us.
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Water, water is
another good prescription...
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When we're
dehydrated, that raises our risk
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of cardiovascular disease.
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The stress mechanisms
- when you're dehydrated,
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and more stress
and more clotting.
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When you're dehydrated,
you're more likely to clot,
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if you have a block in your
clot - not so good, Charles.
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So another
excellent, excellent text.
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We talk often of
biblical technology,
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when we say, "Look in
the Bible for prescriptions,"
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that was what we're
talking about - it's there!
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It's right there, the
principles that God laid out in
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Genesis and then repeated
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throughout the Bible
for our health - it's there!
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That's where you go
first to find the answers,
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you look in the Bible.
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You'll be surprised at how
many diseases you will NOT get;
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how many lifestyle diseases,
especially, you will not get
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if you simply follow what God
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had in mind from
the very beginning.
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Okay! Questions that have come
in to heartwiseministries.org
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on heart... "Can a heart attack
be predicted or is it like
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hurricanes? Can you
really know what's going on?
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Yeah, Charles, I
get that question a lot,
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but when I talk to
somebody in the office,
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and they tell me that they
smoke, that they have diabetes,
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that they are under
stress. RED FLAG, RED FLAG
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I'll say that I can't
predict it, but if we don't
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make choices,
you're going to be at a
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high risk group. There you go...
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You can do a stress test.
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That's where you walk on a
treadmill and not have a symptom
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at all and still have
a heart attack tomorrow
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if one of these plaques...
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Because you may be at
this level right here.
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It may be a 40% or 50%.
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Right, those plaques
get unstable and break.
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So a stress test only
really tells me that if I think
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your symptoms right
now are from your heart,
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and whether I think you
might benefit from one of
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modern medicine's procedures
like a stent or a bypass,
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or even more medications.
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So can a heart
attack be predicted?
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No, but we can tell people that
are at great risk than others.
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And, a person who eats a
whole food plant-based diet
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that keeps their
stress under good control,
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that they don't
have a genetic tendency,
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that has their
blood pressure good,
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they're under the
lowest risk. Right
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And so I don't
worry as much about the...
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There are no
guarantees in this world.
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No, there are no guarantees,
but they're at a lower risk,
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but unfortunately,
they're going to claim,
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"Well, a lot of these tests
that we can get blood tests
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that predict heart attack, none
of it predicts heart attack,
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but it might be able to
help with who is at risk,
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who is not at risk.
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And, of course, Framingham
is tying in cholesterol
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with all of it and I think
we should do a program on this.
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So, we have high cholesterol...
You know, and everyone is
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focused on cholesterol,
but remember that's just
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one component of a disease.
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It's much more
complicated by the chemical
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mechanisms as we found out.
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And that's why modern medicine
wants to focus so much on
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cholesterol, they
have a pill for it. Yes
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They have a bullet for that
but not that particular part.
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As we found out, for a while
they thought all heart attacks
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were from cigarettes...
Now it has gone to cholesterol,
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now it's unstable plaques,
so it's all one bullet thing,
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but it's more
complicated than that.
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So the stress test
tells you what exactly?
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Well, if you had chest
pain and I couldn't tell
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what it was
coming from, and I said,
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"I'm not sure whether
that's your heart or not.
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I put you on the treadmill
and make your heart work.
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And if your heart works
hard and you start having
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that symptom again,
or parts of the heart
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don't get enough
blood, I would say, "Yes, that
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symptom is from your
heart, and you're going to need
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further
investigation and evaluation.
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But if you walk 10 or 12
minutes and never have symptoms,
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the stress test
is completely normal,
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and we have ways
to look at the heart;
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we look at whether
you have the symptoms;
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we look at the EKG;
sometimes we can image
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the heart - that means
look at it dynamically.
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We can do that with
sound waves; we call that a
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"stress echocardiogram."
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We can look at nuclear
medicine to see how it flows.
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We call that a
"nuclear stress test."
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So those are all things that
can predict whether we think
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your symptoms
are for your heart.
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And also, it can tell us
if we think surgery or further
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treatment would
be of benefit to you.
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But a lot of people think that
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stress tests predict heart
attacks - it does not, okay.
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So you can have a
completely normal stress test
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and still have a heart attack.
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All right, okay, very good.
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This question
here that came into the
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heartwiseministries.org website
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We seem to know so much,
we have so much medicine,
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we have so much information,
we know what to do...
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This question is, "Why are
heart attack rates so high?"
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If we know what to do and we
have all this modern science,
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why are we still having heart
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attack rates? "Why
are they still high?"
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Yeah well, if you think
about it, the heart attack rates
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in America is
running right around 600,000.
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That is 600,000 too many!
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Well not heart attacks,
but that's total deaths from
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heart disease and heart
attacks are the most common.
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One is too much...
600,000 and that number
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stayed high through the years
despite all of our technology...
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And our technology to
treat the heart immediately
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with a stent or a
bypass or with medicines
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to stabilize... It
still stays up there.
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We've gotten better at
that, and if a person comes in
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fairly quick, we can
help restore blood flow,
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but we haven't
reversed the cause of disease.
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So, if you think about
it, heart attack rates are
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going to continue to be high
until we can get at the cause
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of heart attacks and I think
we touched on this a little bit,
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the cause of heart attacks.
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You know, we can't
change our mom and dad, okay,
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but we talk about the
food, the fatty foods we eat.
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We're eating more
fatty foods, processed foods
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than ever before.
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And we've seen in the
studies now that if we can move
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towards a whole
food, plant-based diet,
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we can lower that
risk dramatically,
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but we're not getting out there
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and talking about
that from the rooftops
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even though
that's very important.
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I'm also understanding
that the brain and stress
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how that plays a role
too, and yet our society
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is more stressed out than ever
at places that we don't even
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think, you know...
we're staying up later;
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all the media; all
the things we're doing;
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we think we have to work
24/7, we're busy all the time
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that causes all the
stress chemistry that we talked
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would be turned on;
we eat some bad foods;
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and we start getting it in
utero and before you know it,
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we're a society that's
filled with coronary disease.
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So the heart attack rates
are so high because we're not
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getting at the cause.
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Once we start
getting at the cause,
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the heart attack
rates will be coming down,
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but we do a really good
job if a person has a symptom.
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And if anyone out there
is having symptoms when you
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do something, if you don't
feel right above the waist,
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if you're having
pain that won't go away,
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seek medical
attention right away...
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Because still, 1 in 3
people that have a heart attack,
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still die within the first year.
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So if you don't get help,
the instability that happens
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from the heart can be terrible.
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Because what they did in the
hospital did not fix the problem
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Right, it did
not fix the problem,
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it treated the symptoms.
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Even people who have had
bypass surgery in stents,
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that hasn't lowered
the risk of heart attack.
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The risk of heart attack
is still there; in some cases,
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it might be higher if
we damage the blood vessel.
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Does this make sense? It does...
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You know, and the problem
is that sometimes I think
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we make it more
complicated, and we're out there
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and all this technology
makes it so complicated,
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the media spins it their
way, and before you know it,
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people are so
confused about their heart,
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that they don't know the
simple things that they can do
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to take care of their hearts.
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People do not want to
know the truth - many people.
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I have a neighbor that
had a massive heart attack,
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and had to go and he had a
triple bypass and everything,
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and he was overweight, pouchy
little gut sticking out there,
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and he didn't
exercise very much...
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So when he came back, he
said, "You know, I'm going to
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take care of myself," but
you know what, I've seen that
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he hasn't, he is now
overweight, pouchy and doesn't
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exercise very much.
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He thinks he's
fixed, I gave him a copy of
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"Forks Over Knives" to look
at and He said, "Well that was
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interesting, I wonder
if he even looked at it.
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They don't want to know
the truth because the truth is
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going to maybe make
you make some changes.
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You may have to
change your diet,
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your way of
exercising, the way you think,
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the way you
believe, the structure
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of your life and you
have to make changes.
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And people
don't want to do that.
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They would rather take
the risk and use the life
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that got them sick and
say, "Well, now that I've had my
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problem, I'm not
going to gave it again,
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the doctor has
fixed it, I'm fine,
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I have these bypasses in
there, they're working fine,
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and I pass this guy
every day on the mailbox
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and I wave at him and he
waves at me and I realize
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that he is setting himself
up for the exact same problem
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that he had before and this
time he may not make it through.
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Yeah, and all we can do is
love people and not judge them,
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and hopefully that God
will work in their lives
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to make these little changes,
and when I see someone that
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dies of a heart
attack and it bothers me.
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That's why when they come into
the office, I tell them that
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"I love you enough
to tell you the truth."
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And that's what
we're doing here...
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"I love you enough to
look you right in the eye
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and say," "Here's the truth."
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What you do with it,
that's your responsibility.
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But the fact that
we're here and Dr. Marcum
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is here saying this,
that's our responsibility,
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and we want to make sure
that we are here for you.
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Isn't that right, Dr. Marcum?
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That's exactly right, Charles.
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Okay, all right...
Well, one of the things that
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we have to show you is
not only the Bible text,
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we also want to take you
into the Throne of Grace.
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We want to take you
to the Master Physician
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and sit you down and let Him
talk to you in your inner self,
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in your mind to
lead you, to guide you,
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and we do that through
that wonderful thing that God
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has made for us called "prayer"
and we're going to pray for you
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on our return, so stay tuned.
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There is so much to know
about coronary artery disease
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and we talked a little bit about
it today and I hope you can
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share this with
some of your friends.
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If you are having a symptom,
I want you to get help right now
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and we want everyone to
work on improving their diets
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and improve their stress.
There might be someone out there
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that's suffering from coronary
artery disease and we want
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to let you know that
there is hope today for you,
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so let's all pray together.
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Father God, I want to thank you
for the opportunity to serve you
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and to let other people know
that there is truth in your word
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and that you want us to be
healthy and the text we read
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today about eating good
food and having healthy lives is
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what we want if this is
a blessing that you want to
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give to us Father, and those
that are out there that are
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sick today, we want to pray for
the healing, however you want
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however you want to heal
Father we want to trust you
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to do what's best in our lives
and thank you for the ability
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to be here today and to
love each other, and we want
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to thank you for being our God.
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This is my prayer, Amen.
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Thank you for joining
us, we will be back next time
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with a new topic, and we want
to wish you the best health.
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