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Series Code: UP
Program Code: UP000053B
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00:01 Welcome back to the program, I'm Charles Mills.
00:02 We're here with Dr. James Marcum. 00:04 We're talking about health today and more importantly, 00:06 the connection that God has for our health tied directly 00:10 into belief... many people don't understand that, 00:13 but it is a very solid connection and we need to 00:16 keep that in mind every time we talk about health and healing. 00:19 Dr. Marcum, it's very important that we look in Scripture 00:22 of course for our Ultimate Prescription and I have a text 00:25 here that goes right along with what we're saying here. 00:27 It's found in James 5:16, we'll put it up on the screen here, 00:31 for you to look at and here's what it says... 00:46 How powerful is that? 00:47 Prayer brings about healing! 00:50 We look for healing in a bottle, a prescription, a procedure, 00:54 a visit to the doctor's office; some kind of great knowledge 00:57 that the medical profession has, but healing, true healing 01:00 happens in a connection with God. 01:04 That's important for us to know. 01:05 Yeah, especially prayer, you know, prayer is 01:07 our communications, communication is how we 01:10 nurture a relationship. 01:12 The relationship is where we get our faith, 01:15 our bodies as we talked about. 01:17 The brain has an ability to heal itself. 01:20 This is all great even though we don't understand the physiology. 01:23 You know, we don't understand the studies, 01:25 but I think that if you look back over time, 01:28 there has been very interesting paradigm shifts 01:32 throughout all history as far as it comes to healing. 01:35 Now I want you to show us that globe here, Charles. Oh sure! 01:39 Yeah now, we see that globe there, you know at one time, 01:43 people thought that the earth was flat.. did you know that? 01:47 They thought that it was flat, and if you had 01:49 Galileo around, and he said, "No I think the earth is round." 01:54 You know, what did they do to him at that time? Yes 01:57 You know, they wanted to throw him out of his church. 02:00 All the scientific buddies said, "No way, you're weird, 02:05 I don't want to listen to you, this can't be true 02:07 because we live in something that we 02:10 think is flat - this is not true!" 02:12 And then, years later, guess what? 02:15 They find out that the earth is round. 02:18 And yet for years and years and years, 02:19 they lived under the truth, they thought that it was flat. 02:21 They were totally wrong... And they defended that to the death. 02:26 Yes they did - literally. He stuck with the truth 02:30 no matter what... it probably ruined him. 02:33 But, you know, he went through some lumps and bumps 02:35 because of that. Sometimes the truth 02:36 is not popular as we're discovering 02:38 when we talk about health to people too. 02:40 And, I studied zoology at the University of Texas, 02:44 and we had insects that we called flatlanders. 02:48 Okay, do you know what a flatlander is Charles? 02:50 I haven't heard of that. Okay - flatlanders are insects 02:52 that just see the world in 2-dimensions. 02:55 They just see length and width. 02:57 You know we live in 3- dimensions. 02:58 They just see it in 2- dimensions. 03:00 So you could be a bird flying up in the air, 03:03 and they would never know of your existence 03:05 because they just live in 2- dimensions, length and width. 03:08 So to those flatlanders, they don't even know 03:11 that the world is all around them, they live in this 03:13 paradigm of length and width. 03:14 They don't have that picture of able to see something more. 03:17 And look at the danger that's above them flying along 03:20 and they ignore it because they are flatlanders. 03:22 But to them, because of where they live, 03:24 that's the truth for them. Wow! 03:26 You know, years ago, George Washington, 03:28 everyone has heard of George Washington, 03:30 and George Washington, the doctors around him, 03:32 he had an infection, Charles, and they said, 03:34 "Well, leaches are the best thing for you, George." 03:36 So they put a bunch of leaches on him, 03:38 and the leaches literally pulled out 03:41 half of his blood volume from him. 03:43 And the doctors - can you imagine if you were a doctor 03:46 saying, "Listen guys, I just don't think 03:48 that's a very good idea. 03:50 We're taking all of George's blood away - NOT GOOD!" 03:53 Can you imagine what they would have... 03:54 They would have thrown you out too! 03:56 They would have thrown me out and said, "Listen you can't 03:57 be in the medical club anymore. 03:59 You're thinking outside of our little group here. 04:02 Your thinking is, you know, you're a flatlander, 04:04 you're not being a flatlander anymore." 04:07 You know, "so the world is different, 04:09 so we're going to throw you out of the club." 04:11 In 1935, in the "Journal of the American Medical Association," 04:14 that's the journal that most physicians read, 04:17 they suggested that smoking was the treatment for asthma. Oh my! 04:22 Smoke - you know, and everyone, "yeah, yeah, yeah." 04:26 But now we look back and that's not a solution at all. 04:30 And now as we move forward in time, 04:33 you look back over history and there has been a large amount 04:36 of people that did not see the big picture. 04:39 You know, they didn't see the other dimensions out there. 04:42 There are things that we have to realize 04:44 that we don't understand. 04:46 There are paradigms that we live in now 04:48 that might be totally wrong. 04:50 We're starting to see this in the food industry. 04:52 We're realizing that the food we eat, 04:54 that's not necessarily the best thing for us. 04:56 Well we're realizing that in brain health. 04:57 The brain health, the thoughts we have, 04:59 there are different ways to see the world. 05:01 You know, it's just not about 2- dimensions. 05:03 The world might look different, 05:06 it might be a world like Galileo saw. 05:10 Some people see truth differently, 05:12 and I don't think you can find truth without going to 05:15 the Originator of truth and starting there for your 05:19 truth especially when it comes to medicine; 05:22 especially when it comes to healing. 05:24 And I know we've talked a lot about theory, 05:26 but I think that's a great place you rather talk about prayer. 05:29 You know, let's ask God to be a part, let's communicate 05:33 with Him and ask Him to be a part of our healing 05:35 and see what He can do for us. 05:36 We need to know that! 05:38 That needs to be part of how we look at the world. 05:41 We need to realize that the world 05:44 is not going to give us truth; that science as they interpret 05:48 God, is not going to necessarily give us truth. 05:51 We need to say, "God, what is truth? 05:54 What do You have for me? 05:56 What do I need to hear from you?" 05:57 And the only source we have for that is this Book. 06:00 This is where the truth lives. 06:03 This is where the truth resides. 06:05 And if we're trying to find answers and we're not 06:07 using this Book, we are not going to 06:10 find the truth, it's not going to be there. 06:12 It's not going to be under a microscope. 06:13 It's not going to be an electron scan. 06:15 It's not going to be in any kind of fancy nuclear 06:17 or proton accelerator. 06:20 It's not going to be there! 06:21 We're looking at evidence of God, 06:24 just like we're looking at symptoms of disease. 06:26 We need to look at God Himself, the entire picture... 06:29 then we can find truth. 06:31 Yes, and I think that's important because it's going get 06:33 more blurry as time goes on. Yeah 06:36 And just like the examples we talked about, 06:38 just like Galileo, just like the flatland insects. 06:41 You know, who's to say that there is not more 06:43 dimensions around us that we can't even interpret 06:46 because we're finite and, you know, I had a professor 06:50 back in college that was talking about time. 06:54 You know, God the Creator of time, can see anywhere 06:57 at any time, so God can be anywhere in time 06:59 He wants to be at all times. 07:01 So He can see this whole... you know it's time shift 07:03 and we don't even understand things like that. 07:06 And, you know, God is so much more and healing, 07:09 and treating the body is so much more... 07:12 And that's why I gotta realize, you know, we come up short 07:16 and that's why I want to really emphasize in understanding 07:20 this or even starting to come up with a game plan, 07:23 something that will fit into our lives that makes sense. 07:26 You know, the text, prayer, that's the way we 07:29 communicate with God reading what God has said. 07:32 That's the way we communicate with God. 07:34 Looking at the world and seeing some of the beautiful 07:37 things He has created, that's the way we communicate with God. 07:40 Serving other people, that's the way we communicate with God. 07:44 All of these ways are ways that He has shown us 07:47 that we can build that relationship that has real 07:50 merit, that has real truth, that's something we can 07:53 depend on even though we don't necessarily understand 07:56 all of the chemistry behind it. 07:58 All right, all right, and that is a perfect illustration 08:01 a perfect answer actually, for this next question 08:03 that came into Heartwise Ministries, 08:05 and my heart breaks for this. 08:06 "My son has leukemia and I cannot understand why God 08:11 does not heal him, I am looking for answers." 08:15 Where should this person start looking for answers? 08:18 I have a feeling it's here. 08:20 Yeah, that would be a wonderful place to work, 08:22 and there is so much suffering, and there's people that die, 08:26 there are people out there in our audience that have pains, 08:29 that are suffering from diseases that aren't going to get better, 08:32 there are people out there that have cancer, loved ones die 08:35 in accidents, of illnesses, and in this world it's not fair. 08:41 And not that we don't understand, 08:44 but the hope that I want to let you know is that 08:46 we know that God will heal. Yes 08:50 If we're in that relationship with Him, He will heal. 08:54 And, I look at, for instance, the Apostles, 08:57 a lot of them, they didn't last very long, Charles, 09:00 but they gave their lives in the service of God. 09:05 And, you know, we don't understand everything there is. 09:09 I think that our time on earth is just a finite time. 09:14 It's just a small area, but that doesn't mean that our life, 09:18 God takes it and moves to there. 09:19 God, I think, sees things much differently than we do. 09:22 We have this finite thing... well, if we have terminal cancer 09:26 and pass away, that's it. 09:27 Well, we know that there's something more to this 09:31 We know that there's a God that sees our illnesses... 09:34 then when we are in a relationship with Him, 09:35 He has promised us if we believe what are we going to get? 09:40 Eternal Life! Yes 09:41 That belief, that relationship with Him, 09:42 He is going to heal us... it's just when, where and how. 09:46 And that faith that comes, and our God does not lie. 09:50 Look at the universe we live in. 09:51 The sun, you know, keeps us alive, God provides for us. 09:54 So I think of the text that we have... 09:57 "For God so loved the world that He gave His Son" 10:00 and that we believe... we should be healed. 10:04 So I think that's the formula, God heals, it's just when, 10:10 and sometimes God uses the lives to glorify His cause. 10:15 You know, I think of all the Apostles that gave their lives. 10:18 God used them to glorify His name, 10:21 and God had a plan that we couldn't see. 10:23 Remember, God can see everywhere in time all at once. Right! 10:26 Maybe this person that has cancer, 10:29 that that's going to glorify God or help more people 10:32 come to see God through the struggle, we don't know. 10:35 And it's very important that we don't say, 10:37 "God brought the cancer on this person." That's right! 10:39 God is not doing this so God 10:41 will be glorified and He gives you cancer. 10:43 That's not what it is, but God is using the fact 10:46 that there is cancer in this sinful world. 10:48 He can use that. Yes, He can use that. 10:49 Yeah, He can use anything that He wants. 10:51 "Why I cannot understand why God does not heal him." 10:53 I guess the question is she cannot understand why God 10:56 does not heal him right now, but He could if He wanted to 10:59 if that would be the best way for him to bring glory to Him. 11:03 But what if a person had a serious disease and because of 11:06 that disease, they had a relationship with God. 11:09 And if they didn't have that disease, 11:10 they wouldn't have a relationship with God. 11:12 So what would you rather have? 11:15 Would you rather have that relationship and that loving 11:17 ability to be with your Creator forever? 11:20 Or would you rather live here for 60 years 11:23 and maybe never get plugged in to that. 11:25 So, maybe sometimes, God uses these illnesses 11:27 that we have to see something greater that we can't see 11:31 in and of our self, and I feel for this person. 11:36 Whenever we have a loved one hurt, it hurts us. 11:39 It bothers us... I have 2 kids, Charles, 11:42 and if anything happened to them, I would be hurt, 11:45 and I would ask questions. Sure 11:47 And I think, asking questions is good because 11:50 when you ask these tough questions, 11:52 hopefully, you can find the answers. 11:56 If you never ask the questions, there's never any answers. 11:58 But if you ask God, "Why God, why, teach me why, 12:01 show me why," then at least that helps us to understand. 12:05 And there are answers to these things, 12:06 not that these answers won't hurt and not that we 12:09 understand everything, but this is very important. 12:12 I'm glad this question came in to Heartwise because 12:14 they're looking for answers, continue to look for answers. 12:18 And I hope that they take it seriously 12:20 when they look for answers in the Bible because 12:25 there are ways of fighting back on cancer that are in the Bible. 12:27 There are ways of fighting back on heart disease, 12:29 and diabetes and all these things. 12:31 All of the issues that we face here, there are biblical 12:34 truths, biblical technologies as you called them, 12:36 that can help us deal with it here and now. 12:38 It may not completely cure it, but it helps mitigate it, 12:41 it helps us live with it, there are things that we can do. 12:44 We don't sit back and become victims of what is 12:47 happening to us here, there are things that we can do. 12:49 And that's good news for us. 12:50 Yeah, and just like we talked about, the world being circular, 12:54 and the flatlanders, there are things that we can't understand 12:58 that God uses for His great plan that we can't always figure out. 13:01 So it is our privilege, it is our pleasure to say to God, 13:05 "God, here is where my information, 13:08 here is where my knowledge goes, but, of course, You're way 13:11 up here, so I'm going to say to You, God, 13:13 use this part - even if I don't understand it, use this part. 13:18 Get me past this so that I can understand what You're doing 13:22 and open my eyes to the wonderful truths that You have 13:24 for me here in the Bible, in my life, in inspiration 13:28 that can bring about the healing I'm looking for." 13:31 Let God be God and depend on it 13:33 and believe in it, and healing will come. Stay tuned... 13:43 The question came in about the person that has a loved one 13:46 with cancer - understanding why. 13:48 I think we all struggle with those, at least, I do, 13:51 and in looking for answers, at least we can point to the 13:55 place where we can find answers, 13:57 not that we understand all the answers, 13:59 but there's a God that wants to be with us, 14:00 and nurture that relationship. 14:02 To go to our website - that's heartwiseministries.org 14:06 We have a specific prayer team that prays for each other, 14:09 that helps us understand these big issues, 14:12 and let's us know that God wants to be part of our healing plan. 14:15 I want to pray for you right now... 14:17 Father God, We've learned something today 14:20 and we ant to realize that You are the Ultimate Physician, 14:23 the One that is in charge of healing our bodies, our minds, 14:26 and taking control of our life. 14:28 There are some of those out there, Father, that are 14:30 sick today... We pray for their healing as we continue 14:33 to grow in that relationship with You, is our prayer... Amen |
Revised 2015-12-08