Hello everyone and welcome
to another 3ABN - Up Close
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We're coming to you from
the Houston West Seventh Day
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Adventist
Church, in Houston, Texas
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and we'd like to give
a Texas size thank you
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to our live audience who is
joining us for this program.
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Today we will discuss
a devastating condition
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that affects
millions of people worldwide.
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This condition is no
respecter of persons.
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It affects the old
and the young, the rich
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and the poor, people of all
religious persuasions and people
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of no religious
persuasions; males and females.
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In the United States alone
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recent studies
report that over 19 million
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people suffer
from this condition.
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And 12 million
of those are women.
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More notably nearly
50% of those who are
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trapped in the snare of this
condition don't recognize what
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is wrong with them.
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Our topic today is: Depression.
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Not the occasional bout
with the blues that is common
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to humanity, but the more
dangerous medical condition
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that afflicts so many souls.
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But life doesn't
have to be swallowed up
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in the shadow
of this dark cloud.
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There is help and there is hope.
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Our first guest
is Sandy Williams.
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Sandy and her husband Lee
have 3 beautiful daughters,
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ages 20, 9 and 3.
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The Williams own and
operate Ashley's Furniture,
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named after the oldest daughter,
and located in Ardmore Oklahoma.
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Sandy is a stay at home
mom who now delights in her
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responsibilities
as a wife and mother.
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She takes special
pleasure in providing services
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for her family, that others may
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take for granted. And she
also enjoys reading, researching
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various subjects and
walking in the great outdoors.
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But, it has not
always been like this.
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Sandy sat down with us
and told us how her depression
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affected her
throughout her whole life.
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And especially her
family. Listen to this:
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Prior to the Depression
Recovery Program I could never
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really remember a time in
my life I wasn't depressed.
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But going through the program
and realizing the causes of the
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the depression, I had doctors
telling me, and I knew I was
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depressed, every doctor told
me I was depressed, but nobody
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ever gave me any causes or
anything to look to, as to what
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was causing that depression.
During the depression I was
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unable to exercise. I
was unable to leave my house.
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And I really hate to say this,
but, in all honesty, it took
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every ounce of energy I
had to even take a shower.
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So I would go for days
without taking a shower.
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For me, I think was the thought,
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was the distorted thinking too.
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Growing up thinking:
What's wrong with me?
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Always asking:
what's wrong with me?
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And so, as an
adult always looking for
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what's wrong with me and
changing that thought and
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seeing that asking
myself what's right with me
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and finding a lot of right
things in my life and my family.
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Prior to the
program, depression...
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all I can say was just...
it was a black cloud over me
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every day.
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I would be in bed
for 5 days at a time.
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My husband would
wake the girls up
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and get them ready for school
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and I would just lay there.
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My heart's desire's always been
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to be a good mother and
a good wife and the things
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that I desired so much, I
wasn't able to accomplish.
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During the darkest
part of my depression
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was whenever my 2 year old and I
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were home alone and the
depression was just overwhelming
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I sat in the living room floor
and rocked her and just prayed
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God you're going to have to do
something because I can't keep
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living like this.
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And I called my
husband and I told him that
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I couldn't take care of Jade, he
would have to come to get her.
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And I went to behavioral
med place for a couple of weeks
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and not long after that, I
was listening to 107.1, never
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listened to radio
stations before in my life.
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And I heard about the
Depression Recovery Program
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and I decided I'll
try something different.
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I've tried
everything else. So that was the
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turning point in my life.
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It's hard to imagine what that
must have felt like. But we're
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so thankful that Sandy is
with us tonight. And I'd like to
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thank her very much for
coming. And come on up here.
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We want to
welcome Sandy Williams.
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Thank you. Thank you for sharing
your testimony. Thank you.
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I just want to ask you one
question. Did you feel guilty
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Oh, guilt, guilt. About this?
Every day, every hour. I mean
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There wasn't a minute of guilt.
Just sitting here, watching that
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just brought tears to my
eyes thinking how horrible that
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that feeling was. It was
just the most debilitating thing
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I've ever gone through in
my life. Of course. You know,
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sometimes people who are going
through depression are ashamed
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of their condition and
they don't know how to reach out
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for help. But you mentioned that
on the radio, which I know that
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you never watched it or
listen to it before. I never...
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The Lord had you tune in that
day. What program did you go to?
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I went to the
Depression Recovery Program with
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dr. Neil Nedley. Was dr. Nedley?
And what changes did dr. Nedley
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have you make in your life? Just
lifestyle changes. Things that
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you would, really common sense
things. But people that are so
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depressed, I mean you can't
even comprehend how to get out
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of it. Just like exercising,
changing your eating habits,
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drinking water, meditating,
spending time with the Lord
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When I was depressed I couldn't
I couldn't even open my Bible
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I mean, I would pace the floors,
I just felt caged and isolated
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anyway it was
horrible. It was very horrible.
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So, as this program then
you began working in the program
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things began to turn around
for you, didn't they? Let's look
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at just something that the
recovery program has done for
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Sandy. Let's take a look.
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Following the Depression
Recovery Program, the thing
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that I learned the most about
was most of it was just common
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sense things, that you could
apply to your life. It wasn't
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hard, wasn't very difficult at
all. But I've found that it has
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transformed my life completely.
My husband has his wife back,
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my children have their mother
back and I have my life back.
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Oh, praise the Lord! Alleluia!
Sandy, tell me something:
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What was the thing that was the
turning point in the recovering
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program for you?
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The turning point was knowing
that all of these feelings that
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I, everything that I've been
going through, there was a name
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to it, there was reasons for it
I mean, during that period in my
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life I felt like, like I said,
there is something wrong with me
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what's wrong with me?
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Did you feel like no one
would understand because you
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couldn't
understand? Nobody understood.
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And I even heard
things like: snap out of it.
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You have everything to
be thankful for, Sandy.
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You have a
husband that loves you.
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You have 3
wonderful children, you know.
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What's the deal?
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But, unless you
have experienced it,
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I don't think
anybody can really understand
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what a
debilitating disease it is.
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You know, I want all of us
to try to remember this that
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it seems to make sense for some
of us that when we see someone
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who maybe rehearsing the
past and negative thinking and
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dwelling all the negative we
want you to just shake them and
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say those kind of things,
but all they did was induce more
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guilt for you, I'm sure.
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Yes. And a lot of times I wasn't
even thinking about the past.
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It was just, I know the past
affected me but it wasn't that
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I was thinking about the past.
It was just, I know there is a
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lot of distorted
thinking, but I don't know..
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Praise the Lord that you found
dr. Nedley's program and that he
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has helped you save
a lot. Yes, Alleluia!
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Coming up next we're going to
be talking with dr. Neil Nedley
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about some of the common
symptoms and the causes of
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depression. So,
please don't go away.
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We're going to be
talking about teenage pregnancy
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We were together for almost
a year. And we were in love
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Looking for love in
all the wrong places
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I didn't know what to
think I didn't know what to do
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I'm sure my parents
are going to be upset
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Receiving acceptance from
their peers. It's so important.
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Wanted to fit in.
It's so important.
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Next week on Up Close
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Don't miss it.
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Welcome back to up close.
Now it's time to introduce our
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expert guest dr. Neil Nedley.
Dr. Nedley was the founding
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medical director of the
Life Style Center of America in
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in Oklahoma. And he currently
practices internal medicine at
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Nedley Clinics in
Ardmore, Oklahoma.
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He has authored several health
books, including one on the
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subject that
we're focusing on today.
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And it is entitled:
Depression the Way Out.
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Please welcome, Dr. Nedley.
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You know, this topic has a
special interest to me because
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I am finding as I go around
ministering, that there are more
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and more people who are caught
up in the snare of depression
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And it seems that
some Christians feel that
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in particular feel guilty
about having this, because
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they think, well the Lord
should, you know if I am a
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Christian, I
shouldn't have depression.
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But, could you share with our
audience, what are some of the
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common causes, symptoms of
depression, so that we might
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recognize if someone we love,
or even if we ourselves we are
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going through it.
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Most people with depression
have one or two symptoms and
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maybe, both of the symptoms.
One of them can be deep sadness
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or emptiness. Some people don't
have that crying spells a deep
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sadness. But have a feeling of
emptiness. They just have this
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center core that feels empty,
like there is something missing
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The second very
common symptom is apathy.
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Where the individual just
doesn't have the joy or the
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energy of everyday living.
They get up in the morning,
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not really looking
forward to the day.
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Not being very interested. And
what is going to be happening
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during that day,
or what could happen
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And those, most depressed
people will have one or both
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of those symptoms. And
then there are 7 others,
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that the majority of
depressed patients will have.
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Such as sleep changes, appetite
changes, lack of concentration
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the inability to be able to make
sound decisions in recognizing
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that they don't have
that ability, morbid thoughts,
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even fatigue. That's way one
of the common symptoms I see in
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my internal medicine practice
is people coming to me asking me
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why they are so tired. And
it could be due to depression
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and maybe due to other things,
but I have to ask them these
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other questions to see if indeed
it's major depression as the
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underline cause of fatigue.
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Is it true that sometimes, just
acts and pains that no one can
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explain, can
depression cause that?
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Yes. Now, what I've listened
to you is psychiatric Bible's
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definitions of depression based
on those symptoms, but there is
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a lot of consequences, symptom
consequences. For instance,
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headaches. One of the
most common causes of migraine
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headaches as well as
tension headaches and the common
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headache is
actually depression. Really?
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And unless we find out that the
headache is due to depression
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we can't get to the cause of
the depression and that's the
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headaches last for years and
the people are really on even
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narcotic pain medications on
a daily base to try to deal with
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these headaches. When
they think the problem is the
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headache, but in reality
it's not. It's the depression.
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What are some of the
common causes for depression?
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Well, there are 10 major
hit categories, that can cause
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depression. Depression is a
multifactorial disease, meaning
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that there's not
usually just one cause.
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It's usually 4 out
of those 10 causes.
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And this is something that we
elucidated from the researches
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in the medical literature.
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I found over 150 different
causes of major depression.
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And at first it was overwhelming
but then when I began to look
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at these 150 causes, I
realized they fit in the 1 of 10
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categories.
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And then, once we start looking
at the categories, we realized
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that most depressed people
had 4 active hits, at least.
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Some had 6 or 7.
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I think in Sandy's case,
we just heard from, there were
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probably about 6 or 7 hits
that were going on in her case.
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And some of those hits,
we can't do anything about.
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2 of them we
can't do anything about.
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Genetics. Genetic is one.
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And develop mental. At least as
adults, we've already developed.
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We've already had the bad
childhood, or whatever it was
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in the developmental stage that
helped to bring it about as well
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But interesting,
that's only 2 hits.
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That's not enough to
cause major depression.
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Even bad genes and the worst
stuff bringing in the world
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is not enough to
cause depression.
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You have to have some
other hits there are active.
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And another hit
is life style hits.
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This means lack of exercise,
lack of appropriate light.
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Light through the eyes,
actually helps the brain produce
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serotonin, an important neuro
transmitter and alleviating
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depression, deep breathing
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These are life style hits.
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Then we have
circadian random hits.
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This is being
our regular schedule.
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All of us function best on a
regular schedule: regular time
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for sleeping, regular times
for eating and trying not to
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get too far off that schedule
on weekends, which is what a lot
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of people mess up,
and then Monday's so blue.
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Let me ask you a quick question
here, because I know a lot of
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viewers in America will
just push it to the edge of the
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envelope, and then because
of they're getting up early each
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day for classes, I use to
do this in college myself,
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when the week-end comes,
you try to sleep and catch up,
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but it actually is more harmful
to your body. Is that right?
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It's actually better to get on
a good schedule Monday through
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Friday, that can you
maintain on Saturday and Sunday
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This catch up work on the
week-end makes the week-end
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inefficient, you don't get
near as much time as you would
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otherwise, and then Monday
becomes very blue, because
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you've got out of your schedule
and you have to circadian
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rhythm back in the line again.
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Maybe that's why Mondays
are so blue for so many people.
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And actually, light is an
important part of setting our
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circadian rhythm. People that
are depressed and have problems
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with insomnia, for instance, if
they are exposed to bright light
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within 10 minutes of awakening
and exposed to it for 30 minutes
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they can reset their body clock
and actually even help hormonal
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depression.
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and you know, something is
interesting. As you're speaking
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I just thought, Sandy you
mentioned, did you mention
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something about lacking the
room dark? It seems that a lot
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of people who are depressed
want to keep the room dark.
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They want to shut the world
out, so they shut out the light,
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shut out everything
that could be helping them.
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Darkness, isolating. yes
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Isn't that interesting?
Now, you just briefly touched on
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something that I don't
want to pass over: the hormonal.
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As I was researching
some things for this program,
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I found out that over 19
million people, just in US
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have depression,
serious depression.
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12 million of those are women.
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So that's nearly 2/3 and
it seems that particularly for
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women in my age group who
are closing in on menopause
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that's becoming something
quite frightening because of the
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hormonal fluctuations. Some
women, a lot of women suffer
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from PMS, but then is PMDD,
the disorder, there is like 5 %
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of the women. So what is
it about hormones that causes
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this depression?
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Well, it's actually a hormonal
drops that tend to bring in
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about more cells than anything
else. This is why post partum
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depression is also very common.
You know, the hormone level is
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high when you're caring the
baby. When you deliver that baby
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the hormones just rapidly just
drop off, and within 2 weeks
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2/3 of women
actually experience the blues.
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Not major post partum
depression, but the blues just
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simply from the hormonal drop.
Menopause the over ease quite
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producing the high hormonal
outputs, and so you have
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a hormone withdrawal
state that is been produced.
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Interestingly, one of the
best therapies for hormonal
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depression is bright light
within 10 minutes of awakening,
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for about 30 minutes. As women
get in to more hormonal problems
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they need more light. And
it's actually one of the best
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preventions of
post partum depression.
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Of course, in the post partum
state, the circadian rhythms are
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off, the baby's waking up every
2 hrs in the middle of the night
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So, there is a number of
hits going on at the same time.
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The social hit with this, you
know, infant in need of care,
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and interesting lay, the factor
that is most preventive as well
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as the best treatment for it, is
whatever time you should wake up
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set your alarm to that and then
get exposed to bright light,
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for 30 minutes from awakening
and that will produce that
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serotonin that will start to
actually reset the body clock
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and can help dramatically.
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What a wonderful tip! So, I
hope you all took note of that.
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Well, coming up next we
are going to introduce you to
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a woman who began singing into
depression, following the death
00:20:29.58\00:20:33.80
of her husband. And we'll learn
how she was able to break free
00:20:33.83\00:20:38.02
from the clutches of
this condition, by practicing
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a unique set of concepts
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Welcome back to Up Close.
our topic today is depression.
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You know, most of us have
suffered normal sadness in
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situational depression
at some point in our lives.
00:21:38.27\00:21:41.86
But have you ever thought
about what it would be like to
00:21:41.90\00:21:45.41
suffer a major
depressive episode?
00:21:45.44\00:21:48.53
Our next guest is Colleen
Harrell from Ardmore, Oklahoma.
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She has one daughter and
two granddaughters who live in
00:21:52.70\00:21:57.03
El Paso, Texas. Now, Colleen
was formerly an engineering
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manager for the SPC Corporation,
the telephone company.
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And after her retirement from
SPC she really did something
00:22:05.72\00:22:10.26
interesting: she pursued
a second career as a field
00:22:10.29\00:22:14.01
correspondent for two crime
magazines based in New York
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and Canada. But her husband,
at 49 years, succumbed to
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Alzheimer's disease in
1998, and following his death,
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Colleen began to realize that
her lingering sadness was due
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to more then
grieving her husband's loss.
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Somewhere along the line
she had slipped into the pit of
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depression. Let's listen to the
story that she shared with us.
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My depression came up so
gradually, I was hardly aware
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that it was happening. It
started when my husband had
00:22:49.49\00:22:52.57
Alzheimer's. We of necessity
had isolated ourselves or did
00:22:52.61\00:22:57.40
isolate ourselves, and it was
only after his death I began to
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realize that I no longer
had any desire or will to go out
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among people. And I kept to
myself more and more every day,
00:23:06.94\00:23:11.37
now reacting defensively
when anyone will urge me to get
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and to resume a normal
life. And it wasn't until I,
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I didn't really realize
the depth of my depression,
00:23:20.94\00:23:25.83
until I found myself
avoiding going to the megabucks
00:23:25.86\00:23:30.68
until after dark, so I wouldn't
have to interact in any way
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with neighbors. I didn't
want to. I liked my neighbors,
00:23:33.99\00:23:37.25
but I just didn't want to
talk with them. I just wanted to
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be by myself, be left alone.
I started not answering the
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phone when people calls.
And, I'm ashamed to say, that I
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often wouldn't even answer
the door. I've neglected myself,
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and my house. After years
of denial I accepted that I was
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depressed and it was only
then that I realized that I
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had lost all, all will
and energy to do anything
00:24:02.41\00:24:09.62
beyond, do anything productive
with my day, for more than
00:24:09.72\00:24:14.90
2 or 3 hours.
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During my worst period, I
would force myself to accept
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invitations to social functions
or I planned to go to church.
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Needed the last minute,
even after I was fully dressed,
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I found myself
unable to leave the house
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Well, we're happy to have
Colleen with us here today
00:24:33.61\00:24:37.04
and we'd like to ask her to
come on up, so please happily
00:24:37.08\00:24:40.33
welcome Colleen.
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Thank you so much for coming.
And thank you for sharing your
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story with us, Colleen. I know,
it's - it takes a brave heart to
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get on national television
and share the story. But let me
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ask you something: How long
did it take you to come into
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that appreciation of
knowing that you're depressed.
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You mentioned you
denied it for some time.
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I actually think that the
depression started even before
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my husband's death, during
the stress involved with his
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illness. But it took I
would say, probably 5 years
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because, when I first realized
I was cutting myself off
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from everyone, I just
thought it was lack of solitude.
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I wanted to be
alone, I felt better alone.
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And so it was at least 5 years
before I fully acknowledged
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to myself that I was depressed.
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You know, I just wanted to
stop here for one moment and
00:25:47.61\00:25:51.08
point out that research says
that there are probably of all
00:25:51.11\00:25:54.33
the people who have been
diagnosed with major depression
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that's probably only 50%, may
be up to 50% of the people who
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are suffering from it
don't understand what they are
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suffering. Now did you begin
to come out of this depression?
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Well, since my main symptom
seemed to be a complete loss of
00:26:12.58\00:26:17.21
will, just complete
loss of desire to do anything
00:26:17.24\00:26:21.25
and actually I
discovered Omega 3.
00:26:21.28\00:26:24.99
When I was taken Omega 3,
without thinking of using it
00:26:25.03\00:26:30.53
to help depression, but I was
taking it for health reasons.
00:26:30.57\00:26:35.45
and I just felt myself feeling
better and still didn't realize
00:26:35.48\00:26:40.45
that it was the Omega 3, until
Dr. Nedley read an article in
00:26:40.48\00:26:45.42
The Ardmoride, about
dr. Nedley's uplift bar.
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Yes. And he was my
personal physician.
00:26:49.51\00:26:52.31
And I'd never admitted
to him that I was depressed,
00:26:52.35\00:26:55.26
and, so I connected the dots.
00:26:55.29\00:26:58.60
I realized that the Omega 3 was
what was making me feel better,
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and making me come out a little
more and just feeling like
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getting out more
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Wonderful. Well, one of the
common symptoms that Colleen
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struggled with,
was sleep depravation.
00:27:12.46\00:27:15.25
So, let's take a look
at how she dealt with this.
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I realize now that one
of my biggest problems was
00:27:18.36\00:27:21.33
sleep depravation. It
started when my husband was ill,
00:27:21.37\00:27:24.89
and then it continued for
years after. For nearly 5 years,
00:27:24.92\00:27:30.86
I would wake up almost
every 2 hours on the dot
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and I would turn the TV
on, and let the sound of the TV
00:27:33.40\00:27:40.78
low me back to sleep.
00:27:40.81\00:27:42.13
And I didn't realize the damage
it was doing with the flickering
00:27:42.17\00:27:47.44
light, but Dr. Nedley described
the damage that did to you.
00:27:47.47\00:27:52.60
And when he explained
how classical music can cause
00:27:52.63\00:27:59.72
a response in the brain,
something clicked and I knew
00:27:59.75\00:28:06.79
that was preferable to the TV,
because he had already talked
00:28:06.83\00:28:12.31
about TV addiction
and how harmful that was.
00:28:12.34\00:28:15.55
So when I started, my 2
granddaughters, at the time
00:28:15.59\00:28:21.16
I didn't live and have the
will to go out and look for CDs
00:28:21.20\00:28:24.47
or classical music. I
knew nothing about it.
00:28:24.50\00:28:26.56
But, my 2 granddaughters had, a
couple of years before, given me
00:28:26.66\00:28:32.45
2 CDs for my birthday
00:28:32.48\00:28:34.86
and I got them out, I seldom
played them, I got them out and
00:28:34.90\00:28:39.46
started going to sleep each
night to one of them that was
00:28:39.49\00:28:42.84
titled Starlight Classics.
00:28:42.87\00:28:44.57
And I found that I could sleep,
I went to sleep and rested
00:28:44.60\00:28:49.70
for hours. If I woke up, I
just turned the tape back on
00:28:49.73\00:28:54.82
and would listen and
would fall back to sleep
00:28:54.85\00:28:58.03
and within a week I was
enjoying the first full night
00:28:58.07\00:29:04.60
sleep I had in years.
00:29:04.63\00:29:06.26
Oh, praise the Lord.
00:29:06.29\00:29:09.14
It's so true. And even now
if I fail to listen to them,
00:29:09.18\00:29:12.76
or if I get back into watching
TV again I can feel my thoughts
00:29:12.80\00:29:19.37
getting scattered. It just
makes a tremendous difference
00:29:19.40\00:29:22.64
It does. It's amazing
how that alone helped me.
00:29:22.67\00:29:25.82
Well, you know it's interesting
for Sandy. She wanted to sleep
00:29:25.92\00:29:29.55
all the time. For you, you
had the opposite, where you're
00:29:29.58\00:29:32.15
having trouble sleeping. Yes.
00:29:32.18\00:29:33.76
And I know that they say that if
you want to drive someone insane
00:29:33.80\00:29:38.16
that all you have to do is keep
waking them up over and over
00:29:38.19\00:29:41.82
again, and we get a
cognitive impairment.
00:29:41.85\00:29:45.45
Absolutely. I believe that
that alone the sleep deprivation
00:29:45.49\00:29:50.25
alone contributed, perhaps
the most to the whole problem.
00:29:50.29\00:29:55.02
I'm sure that Dr.
Nedley is going to conform that
00:29:55.05\00:29:58.16
in just a moment.
00:29:58.19\00:29:59.16
I do want to add that this,
getting up early, going out
00:29:59.18\00:30:04.34
and singing a lot is almost
as good as the classical music.
00:30:04.37\00:30:09.50
Perhaps better
00:30:09.53\00:30:10.91
So now may I ask you
something else, Colleen.
00:30:10.95\00:30:13.27
Do you get your meal
early in the day, now?
00:30:13.31\00:30:15.60
I do and I visit
with my neighbors.
00:30:15.63\00:30:17.70
Good. The Lord is so
good. Thank you for coming and
00:30:17.74\00:30:20.02
and sharing with
us today. Thank you.
00:30:20.05\00:30:22.61
Well, coming up next
00:30:22.64\00:30:23.71
we're going to talk
to Dr. Neil Nedley again,
00:30:23.74\00:30:26.43
about what can be done for those
who suffer from depression.
00:30:26.46\00:30:29.47
And then a little later we're
going to be taking questions
00:30:29.51\00:30:32.48
from our live audience.
So, please don't go away.
00:30:32.52\00:30:36.08
We're going to be
talking about teenage pregnancy
00:30:42.42\00:30:45.00
We were together for almost
a year. And we were in love
00:30:45.04\00:30:50.15
Looking for love in
all the wrong places
00:30:50.75\00:30:53.87
I didn't know what to
think I didn't know what to do
00:30:53.91\00:30:58.04
I'm sure my parents
are going to be upset
00:30:58.07\00:31:01.73
Receiving acceptance from
their peers. It's so important.
00:31:01.77\00:31:05.78
Wanted to fit in.
It's so important.
00:31:05.81\00:31:08.14
Next week on Up Close
00:31:08.17\00:31:10.27
Don't miss it.
00:31:11.48\00:31:13.21
Welcome back to Up Close.
00:31:22.48\00:31:24.08
We are talking about depression,
and we've heard from a couple
00:31:24.18\00:31:28.17
of people who have experienced
this condition in their lives
00:31:28.21\00:31:32.08
Now, we're talking with dr. Neil
Nedley, a practicing physician
00:31:32.11\00:31:35.95
of internal medicine at Nedley
Clinics in Ardmore, Oklahoma.
00:31:35.98\00:31:40.49
Dr. Nedley, in your
book: Depression and Way Out
00:31:40.52\00:31:44.63
you focus a lot on life
style on life style changes:
00:31:44.67\00:31:48.71
on nutrition, on exercise, on
getting plenty of the water and
00:31:48.75\00:31:54.46
sunshine. Is there any research
to back up why these health
00:31:54.49\00:32:00.17
changes actually do
improve the depression?
00:32:00.20\00:32:05.23
Yes. Absolutely.
There is research.
00:32:05.26\00:32:07.09
Actually, we quote about 1000
different scientific references
00:32:07.13\00:32:11.16
in our book
"Depression and Way Out".
00:32:11.19\00:32:13.53
And most of the time we just
looking at an isolated factor
00:32:13.61\00:32:16.72
like omega 3, that
we heard from Colleen.
00:32:16.75\00:32:19.96
And actually omega 3
increase and tryptophan increase
00:32:20.00\00:32:23.97
can significantly
improve mood in depression
00:32:24.00\00:32:27.44
What's amazing about the program
that these 2 ladies went through
00:32:27.48\00:32:33.54
is now been duplicated in
many other places when we put
00:32:33.57\00:32:37.41
a combination of life
style factors together
00:32:37.44\00:32:40.15
like nutrition and exercise and
light and analyzing our thoughts
00:32:40.19\00:32:44.85
and getting ride of the sordid
thoughts and actually improving
00:32:44.89\00:32:49.36
our spiritual focus, actually
contemplating in the Word of God
00:32:49.39\00:32:53.83
which improves
frontal lobe circulation
00:32:53.86\00:32:55.60
When all of those things
are combined, we see dramatic
00:32:55.64\00:32:59.32
improvement that really is
unprecedented in the medical
00:32:59.35\00:33:02.87
literature. People should not
be getting better this quick,
00:33:02.91\00:33:06.40
according to the experts.
00:33:06.43\00:33:07.76
Nor should they be getting
better and staying better
00:33:07.80\00:33:12.23
without relapsing
back into depression
00:33:12.26\00:33:15.15
and so, the beautiful thing
is when we put a combination of
00:33:15.19\00:33:18.41
these factors together we do
see a more pronounced effect.
00:33:18.44\00:33:22.23
For audience tell us, because
I know I have recommended
00:33:22.26\00:33:26.02
to several people and you
mentioned the omega 3, Colleen
00:33:26.05\00:33:30.10
I've recommended to people
that because of listening to you
00:33:30.13\00:33:34.06
that they would take English
walnuts or even a better source
00:33:34.09\00:33:38.46
would be flax seed. What are
some of, how does the omega 3
00:33:38.50\00:33:42.29
in tryptophan and what are some
of the sources for tryptophan?
00:33:42.33\00:33:46.09
Yeah, tryptophan is turn
into Serotonin and tryptophan is
00:33:46.12\00:33:49.72
going to be found in, actually
flax seed has some tryptophan
00:33:49.75\00:33:53.32
in it, soy is an
excellent source of tryptophan,
00:33:53.35\00:33:56.41
gluten flour which is the
wheat a protein, is very high in
00:33:56.45\00:34:01.28
tryptophan, and there are
other good sources of tryptophan
00:34:01.31\00:34:05.81
out there.
00:34:05.84\00:34:06.81
We like tryptophan combined
with carbohydrates because
00:34:06.82\00:34:09.76
otherwise it
doesn't get into the brain
00:34:09.79\00:34:11.11
Meat has some tryptophan in
it too, but meat is very low in
00:34:11.15\00:34:14.59
carbohydrates. It's virtually
deficient in carbohydrates.
00:34:14.63\00:34:18.04
And so, the tryptophan does not
cross the blood brain barrier
00:34:18.07\00:34:21.62
and get into the brain.
00:34:21.65\00:34:22.62
So, let me make sure for our
audience. I want to make sure
00:34:22.64\00:34:25.75
that I understand it, and
the audience is getting this.
00:34:25.78\00:34:30.02
we have omega 3 fatty
acids, when we have tryptophan
00:34:30.06\00:34:34.13
with carbohydrates. This
is actually helping our body
00:34:34.16\00:34:38.20
to naturally produce serotonin.
00:34:38.23\00:34:40.77
Correct.
00:34:40.80\00:34:41.77
So, carbohydrates really got
in the bad rap, haven't they?
00:34:41.78\00:34:44.66
They have gotten in the bad
rap and unfortunately, you know,
00:34:44.70\00:34:48.35
some carbs are bad, the refined
carbohydrates: the sugar,
00:34:48.38\00:34:52.18
the sodas, this type of things
is not, you know, the best
00:34:52.21\00:34:56.29
and actually, this type of
diet can lead to depression
00:34:56.33\00:35:01.11
But unfortunately, some of
the more narrow extremes have
00:35:01.15\00:35:05.90
thrown out the baby with
the bath water, and that means,
00:35:05.93\00:35:09.24
they've thrown out all
the natural carbohydrates
00:35:09.28\00:35:11.56
and if you do that, you're
going to be on a carbohydrate
00:35:11.59\00:35:14.22
deficient program
00:35:14.25\00:35:15.22
that's going to lead to
poor frontal lobe circulation,
00:35:15.23\00:35:17.74
poor ability to make
discipline decisions, and
00:35:17.77\00:35:21.49
actually lead to depression.
00:35:21.52\00:35:22.75
And that's another reason why
depression is on the increase
00:35:22.79\00:35:25.83
simply because this low
carb diets become pretty common
00:35:25.86\00:35:29.70
Now, what about the serotonin,
what do they call it, reuptake
00:35:29.73\00:35:37.40
Yeah, the serotonin reuptake
inhibitor, those are the drugs.
00:35:37.43\00:35:40.19
Ok, those are the drugs.
00:35:40.22\00:35:41.26
Is there any reason why
a Christian shouldn't take
00:35:41.30\00:35:45.01
something? I mean, is there a
time that is appropriate to take
00:35:45.04\00:35:47.94
those drugs?
00:35:47.97\00:35:48.94
There is a time that's
appropriate to take those drugs
00:35:48.95\00:35:51.56
We recommend them in severe
depression, as a jump start
00:35:51.59\00:35:54.37
to get the frontal
lobe circulation improved
00:35:54.40\00:35:56.79
these drugs are can
improve frontal lobe circulation
00:35:56.83\00:36:00.22
can help improve your
ability to function so you can
00:36:00.25\00:36:02.98
incorporate some of
these life style principles.
00:36:03.02\00:36:05.68
However we use them at a time
limited approach where you know
00:36:05.72\00:36:10.67
we try to withdraw them within
6 months and often we are able
00:36:10.71\00:36:15.63
to withdraw them in 3-4
month. Once the person finds out
00:36:15.66\00:36:18.86
the underlined causes
of depression in their life
00:36:18.89\00:36:20.91
we deal with those hit causes,
and they are able to easily
00:36:20.95\00:36:24.25
withdraw from the drugs and
not relapse back into depression
00:36:24.28\00:36:28.28
Sandy you said that you had gone
to depression most of your life
00:36:28.31\00:36:32.28
You were living in depression.
Did you take any of the
00:36:32.31\00:36:36.07
antidepressants to
help you over the years?
00:36:36.10\00:36:39.68
Probably everyone
out there. I've tried.
00:36:39.71\00:36:42.72
And is about 15 on
the market right now.
00:36:42.76\00:36:45.74
I've tried several.
00:36:45.77\00:36:47.66
But none of those really worked
for you It was when you got into
00:36:47.69\00:36:51.38
the life style changes, that's
when you felt the difference.
00:36:51.41\00:36:55.09
Isn't that amazing?
00:36:55.12\00:36:56.64
Essentially what
these antidepressants do,
00:36:56.68\00:37:01.10
they are treating the symptom
but they are not treating the
00:37:01.13\00:37:04.78
underline cause. Is the correct?
00:37:04.81\00:37:05.86
And unfortunately they
have side effects, they cause an
00:37:05.90\00:37:07.93
"I don't care" attitude, they
increase impulsiveness which is
00:37:07.97\00:37:10.88
not a good thing. That's one
of the reasons why suicide rates
00:37:10.92\00:37:13.73
go up at first in these drugs,
because they are increasing
00:37:13.77\00:37:16.55
impulsiveness before
they improve the depression
00:37:16.58\00:37:18.58
and so people need to be
observed on this type of program
00:37:18.61\00:37:22.90
they really, they can cause an
I don't care attitude, actually
00:37:22.94\00:37:26.30
decreasing
motivation in some instances.
00:37:26.33\00:37:28.89
And so, that's why we're using a
time limited approach and we're
00:37:28.93\00:37:32.33
trying to withdraws
them from these drugs.
00:37:32.36\00:37:34.70
One of the taco messages
I'd like the listening audience
00:37:34.74\00:37:38.08
to have, and actually the
audience out here, is this
00:37:38.12\00:37:41.39
that there are many treatments
for depression as there are
00:37:41.43\00:37:45.45
causes. That means there is over
150 proven scientific treatments
00:37:45.48\00:37:51.17
for depression and
unfortunately the doctors and
00:37:51.20\00:37:55.64
the patients are going to
learn about them necessarily
00:37:55.68\00:37:58.60
in the doctors office, because
when a new drug comes out
00:37:58.64\00:38:01.75
for depression there is a
nice good looking representative
00:38:01.78\00:38:05.37
coming to offer me lunch
and offer me pens and maybe toys
00:38:05.40\00:38:08.96
with the drug name to take
home to my children, but when
00:38:09.06\00:38:12.96
a certain type of exercise is
been shown to benefit depression
00:38:13.00\00:38:15.87
there is no exercise
physiologist coming to explain
00:38:15.90\00:38:18.96
to me this new study on how this
type of exercise significantly
00:38:19.00\00:38:22.78
improves depression
00:38:22.81\00:38:23.85
By the way, there is a
type of exercise that improves.
00:38:23.89\00:38:26.85
It's called intermittent
training where IT significantly
00:38:26.88\00:38:29.81
better than
other types of exercise
00:38:29.84\00:38:32.05
So the only way is to get into
the scientific literature and
00:38:32.09\00:38:35.57
actually find out what
the research on a lot of these
00:38:35.60\00:38:37.96
things has been and done, but
there is not paid people to tell
00:38:38.00\00:38:41.93
you about that research.
00:38:41.96\00:38:43.21
So unless the doctor is done
an exhaustive literature search
00:38:43.25\00:38:47.56
or unless they happen to go to
the doctor and actually did the
00:38:47.60\00:38:51.88
research themselves on the
exercise, they're probably not
00:38:51.91\00:38:54.65
going to find out about it.
00:38:54.68\00:38:55.82
When Colleen mentioned sleep
depravation she also mentioned
00:38:55.86\00:39:00.66
that you are her personal
physician and she was seeing you
00:39:00.70\00:39:05.47
for these many years and
00:39:05.50\00:39:06.89
yeah, she was seeing me for
things other than depression
00:39:06.92\00:39:10.21
and she, like many depressed
people, she covered it well
00:39:10.25\00:39:13.44
She had a smile on her face,
seemed to enjoy talking to me
00:39:13.48\00:39:17.10
Many depressed people have
learned to cover very well,
00:39:17.14\00:39:20.73
and so here I was, I've written
a book about depression and she
00:39:20.83\00:39:24.22
didn't even tell me
that she was depressed.
00:39:24.25\00:39:26.67
So, did she talk to you
about her sleep depravation?
00:39:26.70\00:39:29.97
Or this was
something that she just
00:39:30.00\00:39:32.24
No, no, never touched
that, that subject, no.
00:39:32.28\00:39:35.60
Is that a common symptom?
00:39:35.63\00:39:36.65
We were treating her for
primarily chest pain in some
00:39:36.69\00:39:40.10
of the associated symptoms.
She had a disease called
00:39:40.14\00:39:43.48
costeo condritis information
in a rib case and we're focused
00:39:43.52\00:39:48.05
in on that aspect of things.
But yes, she finally did come to
00:39:48.08\00:39:51.89
the for front in regards to
that, came to the program and
00:39:51.93\00:39:55.67
the wonderful thing, you know
classical music she talked about
00:39:55.71\00:39:59.14
Starlight Classics. Colleen it
was more that Starlight Classic
00:39:59.17\00:40:02.57
In the day time
what did you listen to?
00:40:02.60\00:40:05.06
In the morning, my grandchildren
gave me 2 CDs, and I used the
00:40:05.10\00:40:09.11
Starlight Classics to put me
to sleep, then in the mornings
00:40:09.15\00:40:13.93
I used Power Classics to do
my housework to do, and I never
00:40:13.97\00:40:18.26
missed those all day. The
play is not all day but it plays
00:40:18.30\00:40:21.90
quite a bit. But Power
Classics will get me motivated.
00:40:21.93\00:40:25.50
One of the most common myths
about classical music is that
00:40:25.61\00:40:29.10
it is boring. And actually
there is more varieties of
00:40:29.13\00:40:33.87
classical music than there are
of all the other types of music
00:40:33.91\00:40:37.32
combined.
00:40:37.35\00:40:38.32
So actually, you know, if
you are a rock and roller you're
00:40:38.33\00:40:41.70
in a very narrow
limited sphere of music.
00:40:41.73\00:40:44.63
And it's interesting is
paradoxical on the same sense.
00:40:44.66\00:40:48.36
Some people think that the
vegetarian diet is going to be
00:40:48.39\00:40:52.08
limiting as well.
00:40:52.11\00:40:53.17
Well, actually study shows
the average vegetarian has a lot
00:40:53.21\00:40:56.63
more variety to there diet than
the average American meat eater
00:40:56.66\00:41:00.05
And the same is true
with classical music.
00:41:00.08\00:41:01.92
You can have a lot more variety
to your music, depending on the
00:41:02.22\00:41:05.90
time of the day and the night
and what effect you're trying to
00:41:05.94\00:41:09.59
get into the brain than
any of the other types of music
00:41:09.62\00:41:12.07
combined. And that's why the
study's showing some significant
00:41:12.11\00:41:15.08
benefit with classical music.
00:41:15.29\00:41:16.95
You know, we're getting ready
in just a moment to go to our
00:41:16.99\00:41:20.97
live audience, and we're
going to take some questions.
00:41:21.00\00:41:23.02
But I feel, I'm so sad that
this is going by so quickly.
00:41:23.13\00:41:26.75
We'd love to get in and I
hope when you're asking your
00:41:26.78\00:41:30.71
questions that we can
talk about, talk therapy about
00:41:30.75\00:41:34.65
reprogramming and
renewing our minds.
00:41:34.68\00:41:37.16
I just feel like we are barely
scraping on the surface of
00:41:37.19\00:41:42.03
this topic.
00:41:42.06\00:41:43.26
But, please stay tuned because
in just a moment we are going to
00:41:43.30\00:41:46.77
our live audience
to take some questions.
00:41:46.80\00:41:49.07
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Welcome back to Up Close!
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We're talking today about how
to deal with depression and now
00:42:35.55\00:42:39.23
we're going to be taking
some questions from our audience
00:42:39.26\00:42:42.91
So, please come on down
and tell us what your name is
00:42:42.95\00:42:46.59
Hi. My name is Eddie Millington
and I'm from here, in Huston TX.
00:42:49.25\00:42:52.72
My question is,
actually it's not a question.
00:42:52.75\00:42:55.64
It's just a request for you to
explain a little bit more about
00:42:55.67\00:42:59.30
intimate training the exercise
program you alluded to earlier
00:42:59.34\00:43:02.75
Ok. That's a good question.
Intimating training is a where
00:43:02.79\00:43:07.42
you exercise vigorously for
about 45 seconds and then you
00:43:07.46\00:43:12.06
rest for about 45
seconds. And as you get more fit
00:43:12.09\00:43:16.53
you won't have to rest
completely You might do a sprint
00:43:16.57\00:43:19.29
and then a walk, and
alternate back and forth
00:43:19.32\00:43:22.55
There are some sophisticated
ways in which we can do this
00:43:22.59\00:43:26.04
while measuring the heart rate.
We want to get your heart rate
00:43:26.08\00:43:29.73
up to a certain level and
then we alternate it by a 10 bit
00:43:29.76\00:43:33.38
level, where when it gets
to a certain level you stop
00:43:33.41\00:43:36.99
exercising, then when it
goes 10 bits lower you start
00:43:37.02\00:43:40.53
exercising, so you can do it
based on your heart rate as well
00:43:40.57\00:43:44.53
And your exercise maintains its
aerobic-ness during this time.
00:43:44.57\00:43:48.50
So even rest count as
exercise, which is some of the,
00:43:48.53\00:43:52.14
one of the nice things about
it. And what, our study shows is
00:43:52.18\00:43:55.71
that improves steroid levels
significantly compared to other
00:43:55.75\00:43:59.25
forms of exercise.
00:43:59.28\00:44:00.55
The regular, just go out
there and do it, no pain, I mean
00:44:00.58\00:44:04.75
if there if you're not suffering
you're not going to be gaining
00:44:04.79\00:44:07.64
that is not true. It's
a myth: no pain, no gain
00:44:07.67\00:44:10.97
Intimating training really helps
beyond the typical exercise.
00:44:11.01\00:44:16.15
That's good. Hi, tell us your
name and your question, please.
00:44:16.35\00:44:19.70
I'm Grace McClure and I'm from
Huston and I was worrying about
00:44:19.90\00:44:24.72
the electric shock therapy
that's used in depression now
00:44:24.75\00:44:28.83
Ok. You see, the electric shock
therapy's actually inducing a
00:44:28.87\00:44:33.14
seizure to treat depression and
has been shown to be helpful in
00:44:33.17\00:44:37.01
severe forms of depression, but
the side effects a significant
00:44:37.05\00:44:40.86
You have memory gaps
that you'll never get back
00:44:40.89\00:44:43.87
and these can be memories
all the way back from childhood
00:44:43.91\00:44:48.10
long term memory,
there are holes over there
00:44:48.13\00:44:52.37
The natural form of ECT
is contrast hydrotherapy
00:44:52.41\00:44:56.58
that's where you soak in
a hot tub or in a hot shower
00:44:56.62\00:45:00.49
for 3 minutes and then you
get very cold water for about
00:45:00.52\00:45:04.30
a minute. And you alternate
back and forth for a total of
00:45:04.34\00:45:08.09
3 cycles.
00:45:08.12\00:45:09.22
And if you do that and then
just rest a little bit after
00:45:09.26\00:45:12.03
and do that twice a
day for about 3-4 days,
00:45:12.06\00:45:14.79
you are going to start
feeling significantly better by
00:45:14.83\00:45:17.33
day 3 or 4 and it's
actually pretty wonderful
00:45:17.36\00:45:21.35
We just experienced this when
someone here was going to go
00:45:21.46\00:45:24.27
for ECT and she said
it was dramatic the effect
00:45:24.30\00:45:28.40
it had on her.
00:45:28.43\00:45:29.75
And no loss of memory.
00:45:29.79\00:45:31.57
Exactly
00:45:31.60\00:45:32.57
Hi, please tell us
your name and your question
00:45:32.58\00:45:34.85
Hell. My name is Antonio Tatti
I'm from Ecuador and I'd like
00:45:34.89\00:45:40.05
to ask dr. Nedley about how
you handle those patients that
00:45:40.09\00:45:46.76
are out there, they're obese
or overweight and you said that
00:45:46.80\00:45:53.44
carb diet How do you handle this
situation with the carb diet
00:45:53.47\00:45:58.78
in obese patients?
00:45:58.81\00:46:01.27
Ok. That's a good question.
00:46:01.31\00:46:03.12
A lot of people think
the only way to treat obesity
00:46:03.15\00:46:05.46
is a low carb diet.
00:46:05.49\00:46:08.30
And actually that is not
true. In fact there is now
00:46:08.34\00:46:11.18
studies indicating that the
best way to treat obesity is a
00:46:11.22\00:46:14.31
combination of exercise
and a lower calorie diet.
00:46:14.34\00:46:17.98
It's really low in fat that's
even more important than low in
00:46:18.02\00:46:22.60
carbohydrates as far
as treating is concerned.
00:46:22.84\00:46:25.55
And obesity can actually be
one of the factors, it can be
00:46:25.59\00:46:28.32
one of the hits. It's a medical
condition hit that can lead
00:46:28.35\00:46:31.38
to depression, and so we're
continuing to put people on
00:46:31.41\00:46:34.44
a lower calorie regimen,
that still has enough tryptophan
00:46:34.47\00:46:37.71
still has enough omega 3,
enough carbohydrates so they'll
00:46:37.75\00:46:40.96
significantly loose weight.
00:46:40.99\00:46:42.25
But at the same time,
come out of their depression.
00:46:42.29\00:46:45.40
Before we go off of
this let me ask you:
00:46:45.43\00:46:47.73
Sugar has very negative effect
on our brain. Is that true?
00:46:47.77\00:46:51.39
Yes, sugar has a negative
effect because of the rebound
00:46:51.42\00:46:55.01
Our pancreas
secrets a lot of insulin.
00:46:55.04\00:46:57.95
We get mildly hypoglycemic
within 30 minutes of eating
00:46:57.99\00:47:01.38
a candy bar and then it takes
4 hours for our frontal lobe
00:47:01.41\00:47:04.93
to come back from that.
00:47:04.96\00:47:06.50
And so that's why we recommend
getting rid of the refined
00:47:06.54\00:47:09.44
carbohydrates, but the natural
carbohydrates are very good
00:47:09.47\00:47:13.07
They come with a lot of fiber.
You can it a lot of natural
00:47:13.11\00:47:16.68
carbohydrates
without gaining weight.
00:47:16.71\00:47:18.77
Thank you. Hi, please tell
us your name and your question.
00:47:18.81\00:47:22.35
My name is Bill Blensed,
and I'm from Huston, Texas.
00:47:22.38\00:47:26.70
My question is: Sunlight,
it makes me I guess lethargic
00:47:26.74\00:47:31.03
and sometimes it
makes me want to take a nap
00:47:31.06\00:47:32.71
so sometimes I darken the
room when I'm about to work
00:47:32.75\00:47:35.38
or sometimes I
work better at night.
00:47:35.41\00:47:37.77
So I just want to know: is there
an explanation for that? or
00:47:37.81\00:47:42.53
is something that I can do to be
more effective in the sunlight
00:47:42.57\00:47:45.21
Well, too much sunlight or
too brighter light can over time
00:47:45.24\00:47:48.79
produce too much serotonin
which does have a calming effect
00:47:48.83\00:47:52.35
a more sedating effect. That's
why if you're out on the beach
00:47:52.38\00:47:55.37
for all day, you don't really
fell like doing anything after
00:47:55.40\00:47:58.38
that time period. Because
you've got almost an overload
00:47:58.41\00:48:01.74
on the light. The sunlight
needs to be used in moderation
00:48:01.78\00:48:05.04
but there is one other principle
that you need to keep in mind
00:48:05.08\00:48:07.96
and that is: most depressed
people describe themselves
00:48:07.99\00:48:11.25
as night time people.
00:48:11.28\00:48:12.47
They'll start raving up, 9, 10,
11 o'clock and feel great at 2am
00:48:12.51\00:48:16.87
if they stay up that late.
00:48:16.90\00:48:18.06
Unfortunately, however
they do have to go to sleep and
00:48:18.10\00:48:22.16
they'll feel like zombies again.
00:48:22.19\00:48:23.86
And those people need to
have their body clocks reset.
00:48:23.90\00:48:26.84
So if you're describing
yourself as a night time person,
00:48:26.87\00:48:29.78
it's not genetics at all.
00:48:29.81\00:48:31.12
It's actually based on
the circadian rhythm head
00:48:31.16\00:48:33.86
and you need to get your
circadian rhythms back in line
00:48:33.90\00:48:36.14
and get that light
therapy in the morning
00:48:36.17\00:48:37.84
and then you'll be raved up in
the day time and when it's time
00:48:37.88\00:48:40.88
time to go to sleep
you'll be ready to go to sleep
00:48:40.91\00:48:42.73
Hi, Thank you for
coming and please tell us
00:48:42.77\00:48:46.64
what your name
is and your question
00:48:46.68\00:48:48.15
Yes. My name is Lirma
Okeblam. I'm from Huston.
00:48:48.18\00:48:51.14
My question is: it seems like
there are more women suffering
00:48:51.18\00:48:55.18
from depression compared to men
What are the percentages like?
00:48:55.28\00:49:00.39
And are the treatments
about the same for both sexes?
00:49:00.42\00:49:05.15
Ok. Yeah. Twice as many women
suffer from depression than men
00:49:05.19\00:49:10.20
And a lot of it is due to
the women's hormones that we
00:49:10.23\00:49:13.94
discussed earlier, but also
it has to do we the plate women
00:49:14.04\00:49:20.07
as well. it has to do with the
fact that they are the primarily
00:49:20.11\00:49:26.09
caregivers from infancy and up.
They tend to have 20 different
00:49:26.13\00:49:30.43
responsibilities at least that
they're juggling in the day's
00:49:30.46\00:49:34.73
time where a man can
focuses in on maybe 2 or 3.
00:49:34.76\00:49:38.79
And so, those types of
things produce different hits
00:49:38.82\00:49:42.78
on the brain and that's make it
a little more likely for women
00:49:42.82\00:49:46.14
to suffer from depression.
00:49:46.17\00:49:47.37
The treatments are different?
yes, of course the hormonal
00:49:47.41\00:49:50.63
treatments are going to be a
little different, but in reality
00:49:50.66\00:49:53.74
we do the same thing for both
sexes and that is we find the
00:49:53.78\00:49:57.25
underlined hits and then we
treat those underlined hits.
00:49:57.29\00:50:00.69
And for women they might have
more hits to treat, but once we
00:50:00.73\00:50:03.70
get the hits down to less than 3
they're going to do a whole lot
00:50:03.74\00:50:06.68
better.
00:50:06.71\00:50:07.68
Hi. Please tell us what
your name is and your question
00:50:07.70\00:50:10.87
Hi. My name is Xavier Castillo
from Huston. I wanted to ask
00:50:10.90\00:50:15.28
dr. Nedley: what's your
opinion on St. John's wart as a
00:50:15.32\00:50:19.69
treatment for mild
to moderate depression?
00:50:19.72\00:50:23.24
St. John's wart is helpful
for mild to moderate depression
00:50:23.28\00:50:27.18
It's probably the most studied
herb out there for depression
00:50:27.21\00:50:30.88
however there is very convincing
evidence that it's not helpful
00:50:30.92\00:50:34.56
for serious depression,
for severe, serious depression
00:50:34.59\00:50:38.30
and we would actually
recommend some other herbs
00:50:38.40\00:50:41.37
over St. John's wart in that
instance. Sam e for instance
00:50:41.41\00:50:44.19
can be much more
helpful for severe depression.
00:50:44.29\00:50:46.88
And there are other herbs
that can be helpful such as
00:50:46.92\00:50:50.10
5 HTP and Ginkgo Biloba
00:50:50.13\00:50:52.25
Another problem with St. John's
wart is it interacts with a lot
00:50:52.29\00:50:55.99
of different medicines. So you
really can't use it with other
00:50:56.02\00:50:59.69
medicines like you
can with SAMe or 5 HTP
00:50:59.72\00:51:02.48
Hi, welcome to the program.
Please tell us your name
00:51:02.52\00:51:06.78
and your question
00:51:06.81\00:51:07.78
Hi. My name is Belinda
Lemon and I'm from Huston and my
00:51:07.79\00:51:11.84
question was: Is depression
something that reoccurs?
00:51:11.87\00:51:15.89
after you are cured?
00:51:15.92\00:51:17.50
It can reoccur. Actually
the relapse rates are quite high
00:51:17.53\00:51:21.34
in the typical American setting.
The average American that
00:51:21.38\00:51:24.79
suffers from major depression,
once they withdraw from
00:51:24.82\00:51:28.16
antidepressants, well over half
of them were going to relapse
00:51:28.20\00:51:31.63
within a year.
00:51:31.66\00:51:32.63
Some of them will relapse very
quickly and this is why people
00:51:32.64\00:51:35.76
think they need to take
their antidepressants like their
00:51:35.79\00:51:38.49
morning vitamins, cause they
think they have this chemical
00:51:38.52\00:51:41.19
imbalanced that is not going
to be helped unless they take
00:51:41.39\00:51:45.05
this drug.
00:51:45.08\00:51:46.20
Well, in reality if they
get to the underlined cause
00:51:46.24\00:51:49.61
of depression, they won't
need the medication at all.
00:51:49.65\00:51:52.99
The neurotransmitters
will be in plentiful amount.
00:51:53.02\00:51:56.57
And there is no need to relapse
00:51:56.60\00:51:58.80
Our experience in our
clinic is that once we find the
00:51:58.84\00:52:02.48
underlined cause of depression,
there is a 90% chance that
00:52:02.51\00:52:06.19
that person will not relapse
back into depression again.
00:52:06.23\00:52:09.90
even after they
are off the medication
00:52:09.93\00:52:12.80
And that of course is something
that significant, but it helps
00:52:12.84\00:52:16.96
us to realize treating the
underlined cause the underlined
00:52:17.00\00:52:21.09
hits is the
answer to this problem.
00:52:21.12\00:52:24.01
Drug therapy is
not the final answer
00:52:24.04\00:52:26.86
And basically your program
is designed around the 8 health
00:52:26.90\00:52:31.79
principles, right? Nutrition,
exercise, water, sunshine,
00:52:31.82\00:52:37.69
temperance, good air, rest
and trusting in God, right?
00:52:37.72\00:52:42.20
All of those principles
have actually been shown to be
00:52:42.24\00:52:46.12
helpful and rigorous scientific
studies for depression.
00:52:46.16\00:52:50.01
So, the Lord
developed all of this.
00:52:50.04\00:52:52.93
We've got 2 minutes to get
some final thoughts from you.
00:52:52.97\00:52:57.11
If you would, I would like to
ask you about the frontal lobe
00:52:57.14\00:53:01.52
and I also would like to
ask you to mention about your 14
00:53:01.55\00:53:05.90
consecutive days
of positive thinking.
00:53:05.93\00:53:09.18
Thank you. The frontal lobe is
what we really haven't covered
00:53:09.22\00:53:12.41
and this the most
exciting area of depression.
00:53:12.44\00:53:15.08
There is one thing that's
characteristic to virtually any
00:53:15.12\00:53:18.34
depressed patient: and that
is they have a 40% decrease in
00:53:18.38\00:53:21.38
circulation activity in
the frontal lobe of the brain.
00:53:21.41\00:53:24.40
We find this in pat
scans. The frontal lobe is where
00:53:24.44\00:53:27.43
spirituality, morality
and the will is centered.
00:53:27.47\00:53:30.39
And so this is why the
spiritual part, such as reading
00:53:30.43\00:53:34.69
the book of Proverbs, reading
Psalms, reading the Scripture
00:53:34.72\00:53:39.24
and not just reading it,
but contemplating on it, can
00:53:39.27\00:53:42.39
dramatically improve frontal
lobe function and actually
00:53:42.42\00:53:45.51
significantly
improve depression.
00:53:45.54\00:53:48.14
This is why the classical music
which has a very positive effect
00:53:48.18\00:53:51.52
on the frontal lobe
can be very helpful as well
00:53:51.55\00:53:55.25
And this is also why cognitive
behavioral therapy is helpful
00:53:55.29\00:54:00.22
Traditional forms of counseling
or psycho-therapy have never
00:54:00.25\00:54:05.15
been shown to be better
than taking a placebo pill in
00:54:05.18\00:54:08.01
treating depression. I don't
know if you caught that at all
00:54:08.05\00:54:11.01
but traditional forms of
counseling what psychologists do
00:54:11.04\00:54:13.93
on a day by day basis is never
been shown to be superior taking
00:54:13.97\00:54:17.32
a placebo, but there is a
type of therapy that is superior
00:54:17.36\00:54:20.68
it's called
Cognitive Behavioral Therapy,
00:54:20.74\00:54:22.52
the psychology we're
going to catch up on this
00:54:22.56\00:54:25.39
and what is this? It actually
helps us to recognize our
00:54:25.43\00:54:29.18
distorted thoughts.
00:54:29.21\00:54:30.18
Another thing that's virtually
characteristic to every
00:54:30.19\00:54:32.58
depressed patient is that they
have significant distortions in
00:54:32.62\00:54:36.72
in their thoughts processes.
00:54:36.75\00:54:37.93
They have, their thoughts
are based on elements of truths.
00:54:37.97\00:54:41.94
But they go beyond
those elements of truth and
00:54:41.97\00:54:45.88
actually dwell on distortions
and it's the dwelling on
00:54:45.91\00:54:48.77
distortions that helps
bring about the depression
00:54:48.80\00:54:52.11
And so we teach them the
10 cognitive distortions.
00:54:52.14\00:54:56.32
such as over-generalization
and mental filter and this
00:54:56.35\00:55:00.50
mental filter tends to
focus in on the negative.
00:55:00.53\00:55:02.68
And one of the ways in which
we get them focusing on things
00:55:02.72\00:55:06.25
that are not so negative
is one of the practices in our
00:55:06.29\00:55:09.79
depression recovery program:
14 consecutive days without
00:55:09.82\00:55:12.85
saying anything negative
or critical about anyone or
00:55:12.89\00:55:15.81
anything.
00:55:15.84\00:55:16.81
Now, when they have found
out about this they thought
00:55:16.82\00:55:19.42
I came here to relieve stress
This is really going to increase
00:55:19.46\00:55:23.42
my stress level. But, in reality
once they tried it, it does
00:55:23.45\00:55:27.38
produce a transformation
because it helps them to get
00:55:27.41\00:55:31.05
there're circuits going in the
brain they're either neutral or
00:55:31.09\00:55:34.33
positive and helps
to overdue the negative.
00:55:34.36\00:55:37.06
And then once they catch
themselves in the thought
00:55:37.10\00:55:39.19
processes over generalizing
or disqualifying the positive
00:55:39.22\00:55:43.83
or magnification or minimization
or mind reading, this type of
00:55:43.87\00:55:49.36
things they can catch themselves
in that thought process
00:55:49.39\00:55:52.52
and replace their
thoughts with truth
00:55:52.55\00:55:55.24
and interestingly Christ
Himself says: when you know
00:55:55.28\00:55:58.59
the truth, the
truth will set you free.
00:55:58.62\00:56:01.19
And that means the truth in
the heart, not just expressing
00:56:01.23\00:56:04.99
it outwardly but knowing
and actually having our thoughts
00:56:05.03\00:56:08.72
lying up with things that are
absolutely true and not going on
00:56:08.76\00:56:12.23
the basis of assumptions
which many depressed people do.
00:56:12.26\00:56:15.30
Amen. Oh, thank you so much.
00:56:15.33\00:56:18.49
We just really want to thank
our guests today: Sandy Williams
00:56:18.53\00:56:22.39
and Colleen
Harrell and dr. Neil Nedley
00:56:22.42\00:56:24.80
And we want to
thank you for joining us
00:56:24.90\00:56:27.78
I do want to point out one
thing If you know someone who is
00:56:27.82\00:56:32.37
played by negative thoughts,
please don't tell them to snap
00:56:32.40\00:56:36.92
out of it. Please get them
some help. Help them to get
00:56:37.02\00:56:41.68
this book. help them
to go through the process
00:56:41.71\00:56:45.18
But I want to leave
you with Philippians 4:8
00:56:45.21\00:56:49.46
Paul wrote: whatever is true,
whatever is worthy, whatever is
00:56:49.50\00:56:56.08
of reverence and honorable,
whatever is just and pure lovely
00:56:56.11\00:57:02.66
kind and gracious anything that
is a virtue and worthy of praise
00:57:02.69\00:57:08.49
think on these things,
take them into account fix your
00:57:08.52\00:57:13.78
thoughts on these. but he
also on the next verse said:
00:57:13.82\00:57:19.32
And practice what you have
learned and received and heard
00:57:19.35\00:57:24.84
and seen and model this way
of living and the God of peace
00:57:24.88\00:57:30.34
will be with you.
00:57:30.37\00:57:31.96
Thank you so
much for joining us.
00:57:32.00\00:57:33.00