Are you on a quest to achieve
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optimal physical
and spiritual health?
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Well, stay
tuned to get some tips
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and some encouragement
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on your journey to wellness.
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My name is Jason Bradley,
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is Rise Rafferty,
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and she is a part of the 3ABN
Health Ministries Department.
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Welcome to Urban Report, Rise.
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Thank you, Jason. Yes.
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So happy to be here.
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It's great to have you here.
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You know, last time
I've interviewed you
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with Pastor Rafferty
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and we've kind of made
that introduction there.
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But this time, we are
going to talk all about health.
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I'm flying solo. Yes.
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But, hey, you love health. I do.
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And you're passionate about it.
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And it really shines forth.
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So I just want to
jump into your journey.
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Tell us a little bit
about your health journey?
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My personal
health journey grew up
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in a healthy
environment, a blue zone,
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one of the blue
zones in the world
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and mine happened to
be Loma Linda, California.
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Now explain what a blue zone
is for those that don't know?
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Yeah, blue zone is
where they have found
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that a considerable
population community of people
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actually live to
past 100 years of age,
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they have low chronic disease
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and you know, they look
for what is it about them?
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What is it about this
community that has produced
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such amazing results in terms of
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you know, aged, healthy, etc.
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And they found them
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in different
places in the world,
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but Loma Linda,
California was one of them.
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And so being
raised in that environment
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and immersed with
some of those qualities
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of good health
definitely were in my home.
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So I was really
blessed to have that experience
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and just the atmosphere
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that health was super important.
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And it is.
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I see health is so
integral to happiness.
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Did you ever have any challenges
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along the way in
your health journey?
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Yeah, I did.
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And some of them were
intestinal and digestive.
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Okay.
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I've always been super
starry eyed about food,
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you know, just like love food,
foodie, I enjoy it so much.
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But sometimes it
didn't always agree with me.
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And trying to find
some of the answers to that
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probably led me on my path.
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Got you.
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And so that's how you
overcame those obstacles.
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How did you
overcome those obstacles?
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Yeah, I actually started
learning about holistic health.
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What it meant to be
healthy, like whole person
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and I just started
implementing those things
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that were important.
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So we always
think of just nutrition,
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but it's not
just nutrition, right?
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There's a lot
of other components
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as I implemented
them in my lifestyle,
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they resulted in a healthier me.
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Yes.
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Now, what role did your faith
play in your health journey?
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That's a good question.
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That was huge.
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I love the fact
that God says, "Beloved,
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I wish above all things
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that you would
prosper and be in health,
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even as your soul prospers."
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So in other words,
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He's really has my
best interest at stake,
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the whole me, right?
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He wants me to be saved,
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but He also wants me
to have a happy, healthy,
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you know, comfortable
existence on this earth
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as much as possible and that
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He would have the answers.
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And so when I started looking,
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because there's
so much information
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out there in terms of
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what it is that
makes us healthy.
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I turned to the word first.
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And that really gave me a
foundation by which I sifted
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and, you know, saw
everything else through.
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Amen. Amen.
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So if people want to
boost their immune system,
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if they want to
achieve optimal health,
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what should they do?
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That's another
really good question.
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And I think that when
people ask that question,
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they're thinking, "Ah,
give me the latest supplement,
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pill, herb, you
know, what can I do,
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take, swallow that
will make my immune system
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really strong and powerful."
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A quick fix. A quick fix.
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Yeah. Right?
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Yes.
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But I don't
really have a quick fix.
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I mean, I could share with
you, oh, take, I don't know,
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vitamin C,
Echinacea, you know, vitamin D,
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all these things
that are good for us.
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But they're not
going to do what,
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again, a bigger picture,
bigger approach is going to do.
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They're not going to
have the same results
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that you could, if you
looked a little bit deeper.
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And that's kind
of what I would love
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to be able to do with you today
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is look a little bit deeper
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as to what is our immune system.
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And it's not like
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I am some immune
system specialist.
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But as a
dietitian, I see the world
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through the gut
through the digestive tract,
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and it's
absolutely fascinating to me
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that our
digestive tract is inhabited
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with trillions of microbes.
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Trillions? Yes.
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Wow. Yeah, trillions.
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So we're
talking virus, bacteria,
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fungi and other
microbes that inhabit us.
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It's so interesting, Jason,
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because there's
actually so much more of them
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than human DNA.
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In other words, when
I think of who Jason is,
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you'd be like,
"Yeah, I'm human, right?"
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But really, the majority
of what composes who you are,
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if we were to count
all the individual cells,
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you're more microbe than human.
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Wow!
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Yeah, it's a
wild thought. It is.
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I'm basically a walking microbe.
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You are a walking
microbe and it's so interesting,
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because we've been
raised in this germ theory,
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where we're like, oh, bacteria,
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you know, stay away,
virus, uh-uh, keep it.
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And yet, we don't realize,
but that's part of who I am.
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Wow!
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You know, so if we take
that into consideration,
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then our understanding of the,
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how the immune
system function can enlarge
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because in
reality, the immune system
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doesn't function
in an isolated manner,
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where it does its thing
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and then the rest of
my body can do its thing.
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It's actually
intimately connected
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with our hormone system,
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we call it our endocrine system,
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our nervous system,
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but it's also
really intimately connected
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with our microbiome.
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Wow. Now, what
is the microbiome?
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Yeah, so that's the
term microbiome microbiota.
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That's the term that's given
for what I call the community.
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And it's just a community
of various different unique
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individual strains,
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species of microbes,
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we mentioned
bacteria, virus, fungi, etc.
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That live on and within us,
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they literally are stationed,
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the majority of them
are stationed on all of our,
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what's called
our mucosal linings.
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And when you think
of a mucosal lining
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I need to do is open your mouth.
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Got you. Okay.
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And you see this,
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oh, it's wet, kind
of slippery, right?
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All the way down.
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So every entrance into our body,
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our nose, our ears,
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they're all lined
with this mucosal tissue.
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And that mucosal tissue
is an excellent place to live
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for all these microbes.
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So these microbes live
not only in my intestines,
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but they live, for example,
in my respiratory tract.
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Wow.
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We think of our lungs as sterile
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or we think everything is,
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there's nothing
sterile about us, you know?
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And so take an
example of a virus.
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Okay. We breathe it in, right?
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So, we breathe in this virus
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and it lands on
the mucosal surface
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of our lungs.
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Okay. Okay.
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So there it lands.
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Well, it's not alone.
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Because surrounding it, lining,
living in this mucosal lining
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are all these
trillions of microbes.
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So it lands there
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and how does my immune system
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know which one's
friend and which one's foe?
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Right?
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Excellent question, how does it?
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Yeah. So one's
an invader, right?
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The virus is the invader,
but the other ones are there.
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And they are living
in this what we call it
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a symbiotic relationship with us
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where there it's
like mutually beneficial.
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They're actually benefiting us.
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We couldn't survive
without these microbes
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that we that are
composed of who we are,
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who we are is composed of them.
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It's kind of weird.
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You know, we think
of it as them and us,
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but it's not,
it's really we're all,
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it's all just me.
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Anyway, so this
virus lands on the lungs
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and the
microbes that surround it
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are actually the eyes and
ears of the immune system.
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So if you went to
like some big concert.
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Okay.
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Where there was so many people,
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just hundreds and
hundreds of people, right?
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They're all standing.
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But one of them,
you find out one of them
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has a gun and is
there to do harm.
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And there's some
security guards there.
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But there's way more people
than there is security guards.
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How's the security guard
going to find that one person
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who is a terrorist?
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You know, that's the question.
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So they're
looking through everyone,
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but how are they
going to find that?
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Well, only if the people
around that terrorist say
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this guy's acting weird
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and there's something
bulging out of his pocket?
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And he's, you
know, that type of thing.
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And then they've
got walkie-talkies,
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and they're like,
"Yo, come over here
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to this section
of the concert face."
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And so that's
what they're doing.
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So they're communicating
and they're sending the signals
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and then you know, the
body can respond and fight.
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The mucosal
lining, though, does that,
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is that an act of protection?
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Does it act as
protection, though?
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Oh, absolutely.
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And what helps
produce that mucosal lining
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is the bacteria themselves.
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Okay.
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Yeah, so that's kind
of supposed to be like
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a barrier of protection
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that the bacteria produce
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they, bacteria
do so much for us.
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So when they
walkie-talkie, right?
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That, hey, there's
something going on.
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Do you know they walkie-talkie
to the control center,
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the command center,
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which is actually
the gut microbiome.
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So now in our gut, right?
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We've got
trillions of microbes there.
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And these
microbes here in my lungs,
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they found communicate
with the microbes in my gut.
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Okay.
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And it's the microbes in my gut
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that in turn tell
the immune system,
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hey, we're, you know,
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we're
dispatching you to the lungs,
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you need to go there right away.
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There's an
invader in this section,
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take care of it, right?
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And if that
communication doesn't happen,
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it's kind of fascinating.
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They've done research
where they found well,
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if communication doesn't happen,
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if you're, if the
microbes in your lungs
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don't communicate
to the gut, right away,
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then that virus is there.
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And it's homekeeping,
it's developing itself,
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it's multiplying, it
can really set up shop
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so that by the time
eventually the immune system is,
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you know, alerted
to what's going on.
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They've got a stronghold,
then it's really in there.
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And the immune
system has to really
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put out the big guns, right?
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Whereas if the microbiome
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in my lungs is healthy
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and doing what
it's supposed to do,
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communicates to the gut,
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gut communicates
to the immune system,
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immune system
takes it stuff there.
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And meanwhile,
this is so cool too.
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Meanwhile, while
all this is taking place
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this communication,
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the microbes in the
gut are doing their part
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to destroy this guy.
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So these people
who are around. Yeah.
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You know, you've
heard if a terrorist comes,
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one of the best things to do
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is some of these people
who risk their own lives,
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but they try to take him down
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before he does
a bunch of damage.
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Yes.
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And so that's what
these microbes are doing.
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Wow! They're trying.
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Jump on. They do.
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Yeah.
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And they try to, they
produce their own ammunition
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against this invading virus
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and they also
compete for the property
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and whatever nutrients
that this guy's trying to...
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To feed off.
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Yes. To steal.
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Yeah. Yes, yes.
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So how do you enhance
that level of communication?
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Oh, that's such a good question.
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I don't even know if
I have like the answer.
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I think it's so important
for us just to be aware,
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first of all, that when
we have a healthy microbiome,
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that is going to serve
us and really stimulate
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what's called a
balanced immune response.
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So we always think
about having a strong,
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I want a strong immune
system, you know what I mean?
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Yes.
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But really, you know,
when you feel miserable
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when you're sick
and you're like fever,
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headache,
coughing, you're in pain,
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you're just miserable
like, where's my immune system?
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How come it's
not fighting for me?
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Yes.
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Well, that is
your immune system.
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That is your immune system.
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The virus could
be doing its thing.
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And you could be like,
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you know, feeling
like nothing's going on.
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But it's your immune system
that is launching the attack.
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And that attack
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is what's
eliciting those symptoms.
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Wow! See?
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I see.
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So yeah, so
what you need though,
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is for that, you
want that to take place,
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but you also want
it to be balanced.
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Because a lot of
times, you know, we hear about
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cytokine storms
or all these things,
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my immune system
may be overreacting
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or not in a balance.
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There's different
phases of immune functions.
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So with that, if it,
if it's overreacting,
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is that like an
autoimmune disease?
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Or where does autoimmune
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and how does an
autoimmune disease
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come into play with that?
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Oh, that's kind
of a different topic.
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But yes,
autoimmunity is when you're,
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when you've lost
the ability for to know
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whether that was friend or foe.
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Right?
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Remember, we said, oh,
it's the commensal bacteria,
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it's the bacteria
that are part of me,
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that detect the
virus and that alert.
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But if they
don't detect the virus,
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then right things can go wrong.
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So part of that
detection is really important.
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So when our immune system
starts fighting against me
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and we've lost that semblance
of is this friend or foe,
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then that's when
autoimmunity comes in,
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then my immune system
is attacking my own cells.
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Right?
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But that's different than like,
what we're talking about this,
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these phases of immune function.
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So what we want is
for the immune system
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to launch that
hardcore attack initially,
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but then to be
taken to the next step,
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where inflammation dies down
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and it can just
keep doing its thing.
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And we developed
recognition for this virus
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so that I can fight it,
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you know, more
effectively next time.
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But research has
found that what communicates
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and elicits that next phase
of immune function is microbes.
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It's the microbes again.
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Wow. Yeah.
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So microbes are where you want
to take care of the microbes.
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Absolutely. Yes.
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In fact, they found
that what helps take,
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that there's
certain immune cells
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that really help
take the immune function
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to the next level, right?
00:15:04.67\00:15:06.63
From being, oh, I'm so miserable
00:15:06.67\00:15:08.77
and a lot of inflammation
to things calming down.
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So there's certain
cells that do that.
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And they found that those cells
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if they don't get the
walkie-talkie communication
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from the microbes,
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that it's like,
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they'll just stand by
and the virus is right there.
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And there, they
don't even know it's there.
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They're not
stimulated to respond.
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Yes.
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It's like they're
turning a blind eye.
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Turning a blind eye.
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It'd be like TSA, if someone
was going through with a gun
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and they were watching
it go and they were like,
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is that a gun or a curling iron?
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We don't know. We
should let them through.
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You know what I mean? Wow, yes.
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So they lose some of their,
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it's fascinating
to realize that, no,
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there is so
much interdependence,
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you know, when it
comes to our body systems
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and the need for a
healthy microbiome.
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So your question,
your question was,
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do you want to state it again?
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We're about the autoimmune,
we talked about the...
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We talked about the healthier...
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The healthier immune system,
boosting the immune system.
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So how do we do that? Yes.
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Well, through the eyes of...
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There's a lot of
ways but through the lens
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of what we just
talked about right now,
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you know, we think
about the microbiome
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and what makes for
a healthy microbiome.
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And that microbiome, again,
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is just the
community of microbes,
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all the vast
complexity and diversity of them
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throughout my whole body.
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Because in
every part of my body,
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they do their
part in communicating
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with the immune system
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and making for a balanced,
00:16:36.89\00:16:38.23
healthy immune function.
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So then the attention
and the focus goes to,
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well, yeah, how do I
have a healthy microbiome?
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Okay.
00:16:44.90\00:16:46.23
So then we think, a
lot of different things,
00:16:46.27\00:16:50.04
that's where it really
comes to food in a lot of ways
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to be honest with you.
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This is where I'm
starting to get excited
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as we transition
into the food section.
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Yeah, good.
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You're a foodie too. I love it.
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You know, there's other things
that are really important,
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for example, people who
live in tune with nature.
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There's microbes in the soil,
there's microbes on animals
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and farms and in
pond water, lake water.
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And when we
engage with all of that,
00:17:14.00\00:17:16.77
you know,
summertime swimming in the lake
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or farming, gardening,
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we are being booted up.
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Wow!
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There's a sense in which
00:17:25.14\00:17:26.47
I'm my own
microbiome is being enriched.
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When I'm
interacting with other people,
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our microbiomes are
somehow communicating
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and intersecting.
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And I'm benefited, hopefully,
00:17:37.39\00:17:39.45
by that, in a
healthy situation, right?
00:17:39.49\00:17:42.36
I mean, it can be, it can
work to the negative as well
00:17:42.39\00:17:44.53
when we get sick,
00:17:44.56\00:17:45.89
but all these things
are important as well.
00:17:45.93\00:17:47.76
But when it comes
to food, when we want,
00:17:47.80\00:17:50.37
when we think
about this microbiome,
00:17:50.40\00:17:52.90
I like to liken it to
like the Amazon forest,
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its own ecosystem
that thrives in diversity.
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And we as humans go
to the Amazon forest
00:18:02.24\00:18:05.28
and we have no idea
how it all functions,
00:18:05.31\00:18:07.35
so harmoniously and beautifully.
00:18:07.38\00:18:09.02
And everything's
mutually benefiting the other,
00:18:09.05\00:18:12.12
you know, type of thing
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and it's just existed
there for hundreds of years.
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And it's been so
healthy until we go in there.
00:18:15.66\00:18:19.09
And we're like, oh,
that beetles annoying
00:18:19.13\00:18:21.66
or you know, whatever.
00:18:21.70\00:18:23.03
And we kill the beetle.
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And we don't realize
all what we just did.
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The chain reaction.
The chain reaction, right?
00:18:27.47\00:18:29.87
So when we think about that,
in relation to our ecosystem,
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it's just as crucial
that we support the diversity.
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And that diversity is supported
when we consume diverse foods.
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Yes.
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And the foods that
the nutrients that really,
00:18:45.59\00:18:48.66
there's a lot of
nutrients that can benefit
00:18:48.69\00:18:50.59
the microbiome,
00:18:50.63\00:18:52.13
you know, the diversity,
but it's mostly coming from,
00:18:52.16\00:18:56.10
well, from the plant kingdom.
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Okay.
00:18:57.50\00:18:58.83
So there's
different plant chemicals
00:18:58.87\00:19:00.34
that are super important.
00:19:00.37\00:19:01.80
When I use that word chemicals,
I just mean compounds,
00:19:01.84\00:19:03.91
you know, that are in
the plant that are, that we,
00:19:03.94\00:19:05.97
that are beyond
vitamins and minerals,
00:19:06.01\00:19:08.44
but they actually can
feed the good guys in the gut.
00:19:08.48\00:19:13.08
And then fiber,
and fiber is so huge
00:19:13.11\00:19:15.92
and we consume so
little in America.
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That's actually
one of the first things
00:19:18.45\00:19:19.85
that I will assess
when I see patients,
00:19:19.89\00:19:23.26
you know, what's
their fiber intake?
00:19:23.29\00:19:24.63
Because that gives
me a lot of information
00:19:24.66\00:19:26.46
as to are we feeding them?
00:19:26.49\00:19:28.53
Yes. You know, I
mean type of thing.
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And fiber is a term but again,
00:19:30.37\00:19:32.77
there's so many
different kinds of fiber
00:19:32.80\00:19:34.14
and we don't
have to worry about it
00:19:34.17\00:19:35.60
if we're consuming a diverse
kinds of plant-based foods.
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So in other
words, like if, let's say
00:19:40.61\00:19:42.71
we're consuming
maybe red peppers,
00:19:42.74\00:19:45.18
red bell peppers
and green bell peppers
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and yellow bell peppers
00:19:47.28\00:19:49.02
and maybe some
spinach or something, is that,
00:19:49.05\00:19:52.65
is it the
different colors of the food
00:19:52.69\00:19:54.76
to when you were talking
about this diversity of food,
00:19:54.79\00:19:58.96
like the different colors?
00:19:58.99\00:20:00.33
Yeah, different colors
and different categories.
00:20:00.36\00:20:04.13
So when people
say I don't eat grains
00:20:04.17\00:20:06.77
or I don't eat beans,
00:20:06.80\00:20:08.44
they're wiping
out a whole category.
00:20:08.47\00:20:10.54
And within that category,
00:20:10.57\00:20:11.91
then there's all
the diversity, right?
00:20:11.94\00:20:13.84
There's different grains,
00:20:13.88\00:20:15.21
there's
different kinds of legumes
00:20:15.24\00:20:16.58
and you're like, oh,
man, you're missing out
00:20:16.61\00:20:18.41
on how God intended to feed
this diversity inside of us,
00:20:18.45\00:20:24.25
you know, with all those
different unique ingredients
00:20:24.29\00:20:28.69
that are in these foods.
00:20:28.72\00:20:30.06
Yes, I got to
get my life together,
00:20:30.09\00:20:31.53
because I don't
like some of the stuff.
00:20:31.56\00:20:33.33
That I just mentioned.
00:20:33.36\00:20:35.63
I'm not a huge bean fan.
00:20:35.66\00:20:37.83
But I do eat some beans
and stuff like that, too.
00:20:37.87\00:20:40.57
So, yeah, well,
I'll have to work on it.
00:20:40.60\00:20:42.90
I'll have to work on that.
00:20:42.94\00:20:44.27
Right, and there's
so many different ways
00:20:44.31\00:20:45.64
of incorporating
those kinds of foods,
00:20:45.67\00:20:47.28
you know, maybe
hiding them type of thing,
00:20:47.31\00:20:49.24
maybe that'll work.
00:20:49.28\00:20:50.61
But I think nature is so cool,
00:20:50.65\00:20:51.98
because there
is so much variety.
00:20:52.01\00:20:53.38
So hopefully we find,
00:20:53.42\00:20:55.05
you know, a few things
from each category that we can.
00:20:55.08\00:20:57.02
For sure.
00:20:57.05\00:20:58.39
And I do think it's
important to realize sometimes
00:20:58.42\00:21:00.62
I'm not just eating for this.
00:21:00.66\00:21:02.29
Yes. Right?
00:21:02.32\00:21:03.66
I'm also eating for them. Yes.
00:21:03.69\00:21:05.03
And when I do that, when
I, it's that other centered
00:21:05.06\00:21:07.86
or me centered,
but in a good way.
00:21:07.90\00:21:10.63
Anyway, I think that
can really promote health.
00:21:10.67\00:21:12.27
Yeah, it's like
you're eating to live.
00:21:12.30\00:21:15.54
You don't live to eat.
00:21:15.57\00:21:17.07
A little bit of both.
00:21:17.11\00:21:18.44
Yeah.
00:21:18.47\00:21:19.81
I've got a transition
from the living to eat
00:21:19.84\00:21:22.48
to the eating to live part.
00:21:22.51\00:21:24.11
I'm somewhere in
there. It's a journey.
00:21:24.15\00:21:26.01
Yeah, totally. You
take it step by step.
00:21:26.05\00:21:28.28
Absolutely.
00:21:28.32\00:21:29.95
So how do we stimulate
00:21:29.98\00:21:31.89
or can we
stimulate the production of
00:21:31.92\00:21:34.69
is it the microbes?
00:21:34.72\00:21:36.26
Can we stimulate
production of those?
00:21:36.29\00:21:38.49
Yeah.
00:21:38.53\00:21:40.30
So it's, you know,
one of the other things
00:21:40.33\00:21:42.36
that I think I'm going
to answer that question
00:21:42.40\00:21:44.73
that I think we need
to take into consideration
00:21:44.77\00:21:46.60
is what stunts them
or can destroy them?
00:21:46.63\00:21:48.67
That's good.
00:21:48.70\00:21:50.04
And fascinating that we inherit
our microbiome from our mother.
00:21:50.07\00:21:54.91
Really?
00:21:54.94\00:21:56.28
As we're born
through the vaginal canal
00:21:56.31\00:21:57.75
that's how we're
initially went in mother's womb,
00:21:57.78\00:22:00.38
that's how we're
inoculated right with that.
00:22:00.42\00:22:02.82
And then the first three years
of our life huge setting up,
00:22:02.85\00:22:06.29
you know, what my microbiome is?
00:22:06.32\00:22:08.46
And what can really
impede a healthy microbiome
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or harm is a lot
of the medications
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and antibiotics
that sometimes we take,
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not when we absolutely have to.
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Got you.
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They're there for a reason,
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you know,
they're there to help us
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get over a hurdle
or save lives, etc.
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But our
overmedication of ourselves,
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especially when we're on
these medications for decades
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and we know that they affect
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somehow our digestive tract.
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Those things
affect our microbiome
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and then we can pass
that on to future generations.
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Wow!
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So there's things like that,
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that I think all we got to
take those into consideration.
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If I'm trying to
eat a healthy diet,
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but I'm still
taking these things
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that are harming the microbiome,
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because these antibiotics
destroy bacteria, right?
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Even my own they
can, they can hurt.
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And I think
it's really important
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after people do take antibiotics
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that we try to,
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you know, resupport
the healthy growth and...
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Like taking a probiotic
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or something
like that out there?
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I think probiotics have a place.
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Probiotics,
though, are bacteria,
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you're swallowing bacteria.
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Yeah, that's pretty,
that sounds pretty gross.
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Doesn't that sound wild?
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Yes.
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Except when you
realize that remember,
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you're mostly bacteria.
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That's true.
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So probiotics are great,
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except that you go to a
store and you're like, oh,
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there's all these
bottles of probiotics,
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which one do I take.
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And there's something
called strain specificity,
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which means that there,
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you want to find a
specific strain hopefully,
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that has been studied
and found to be beneficial
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for the concern that you have.
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Got you.
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And thankfully,
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there has started
that kind of research.
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And that's where it's
helpful to find someone
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who has a little
bit more knowledge
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on that topic.
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And or can go to database
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and find out the
information and say,
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"Oh, this one has been
found to be really beneficial
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for people who have
similar symptoms to you,"
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that kind of thing
that can be really good.
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So I do believe
there's a place for probiotics,
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ancient I mean, you know,
you look at traditional foods
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and how it's been, how
they've been preserved.
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Yes.
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And there's usually
bacteria yogurts, kimchi,
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what's the sauerkraut?
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You know, all of those
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that you're taking
in probiotics as well.
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But then
there's also prebiotics.
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And prebiotics is
when you're intentionally
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feeding them.
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Okay.
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So that can be done
through a supplement
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or that can be
looked at as foods,
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you know, all these foods
that have prebiotics in them,
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nutrients that have been
found to significantly increase
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beneficial bacteria in my gut.
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And they can measure that
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because these
bacteria produce byproducts.
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And this is one of the ways
they impact our health so much
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is because the
bacteria live there,
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but they ferment
whatever comes down,
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you know, leftovers,
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but then they
give off byproducts.
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And some of those
byproducts are gas, right?
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We know that.
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But they also produce molecules.
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And these molecules
are affect the environment.
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So the health of the gut itself,
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but they're also
absorbed into our body.
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And that's how they
can have such system wide
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influence and impact.
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Got you, yes.
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So we can measure
some of those byproducts.
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And now, we're
missing some key species here.
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And if we take this prebiotic,
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we noticed some
of those byproducts
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increasing and
health being restored.
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So those are all different ways.
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I hope I answered
your question, at least.
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Yeah, I think you did.
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I think what's
so crucial is that
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we eat the right things.
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That's what I'm getting
from all of this is that
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we need to be
mindful of our health,
00:25:46.81\00:25:48.91
because so much
takes place in the gut.
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Yep. Correct?
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Yes.
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And so making sure that we eat
a variety of the right things,
00:25:53.92\00:25:57.85
not just a variety of foods,
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but a variety of
the right types of foods
00:25:59.79\00:26:02.32
makes all the difference.
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It does.
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And you look at the
standard American diet
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and the standard
American way of eating,
00:26:07.83\00:26:10.03
we're really limited
in terms of diversity.
00:26:10.07\00:26:12.77
We eat a lot of white flour
and meat and dairy products.
00:26:12.80\00:26:17.31
And we'll put those together
00:26:17.34\00:26:18.67
in a variety of different ways.
00:26:18.71\00:26:20.38
But it's still
those kind of ingredients,
00:26:20.41\00:26:23.11
which are which
don't have fiber in them
00:26:23.14\00:26:24.98
and they're not
supporting a healthy microbiome.
00:26:25.01\00:26:27.42
So what you just
said is super key
00:26:27.45\00:26:29.52
that we look at not
just what not to eat,
00:26:29.55\00:26:32.52
but am I eating enough
of the good kinds of things?
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I think that's should
be more of our emphasis.
00:26:35.16\00:26:36.86
Yeah.
00:26:36.89\00:26:38.23
It's amazing to me
how God created us.
00:26:38.26\00:26:40.16
Yes.
00:26:40.20\00:26:41.53
I mean, there's so
many moving parts that
00:26:41.56\00:26:43.06
I can't even wrap my mind around
00:26:43.10\00:26:45.20
that I'm still
trying to process everything
00:26:45.23\00:26:47.44
that you just gave me just now.
00:26:47.47\00:26:49.60
I am processing
right now as we speak,
00:26:49.64\00:26:52.37
but I can't believe
our time is just about up.
00:26:52.41\00:26:55.44
But I want you to speak
to that individual at home
00:26:55.48\00:26:57.48
that's on that health journey.
00:26:57.51\00:26:59.41
Just look in this camera
00:26:59.45\00:27:00.78
and just offer them a
word of encouragement.
00:27:00.82\00:27:04.09
Yeah, if you're
on your own journey
00:27:04.12\00:27:05.72
for experiencing better health,
00:27:05.75\00:27:08.02
I think there's nothing
quite like finding someone else
00:27:08.06\00:27:10.53
to encourage
you on that pathway,
00:27:10.56\00:27:12.06
whether that's a health provider
00:27:12.09\00:27:13.60
or a friend,
someone who can support you
00:27:13.63\00:27:17.30
and helping you
make the changes.
00:27:17.33\00:27:19.30
I see a lot of people
who are trying to make
00:27:19.33\00:27:22.20
and implement
healthier lifestyle choices,
00:27:22.24\00:27:25.04
but it's rough going
00:27:25.07\00:27:26.41
when you have to
do it by yourself.
00:27:26.44\00:27:27.78
So finding a
partner, finding someone
00:27:27.81\00:27:29.14
who can share
the journey with you.
00:27:29.18\00:27:31.71
I think that would be
one of the first things
00:27:31.75\00:27:33.08
that I would
encourage people to do.
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Absolutely.
00:27:34.52\00:27:35.85
That's so important is having
that accountability partner,
00:27:35.88\00:27:38.42
somebody to
encourage you along the way.
00:27:38.45\00:27:40.26
Yeah. Very well said.
00:27:40.29\00:27:41.62
Thank you so
much for the insight
00:27:41.66\00:27:43.06
that you've provided today.
00:27:43.09\00:27:44.59
We're going to
have to do this again.
00:27:44.63\00:27:45.96
Again.
00:27:45.99\00:27:47.33
Maybe we'll talk about exercise
00:27:47.36\00:27:48.96
or something like
that and add on to it.
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Thank you, Rise.
00:27:50.67\00:27:52.00
And we want to
thank you for joining us.
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Stay on that health journey.
Until next time, God bless you.
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