Stay tuned for a
sneak peek into a film
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that's going to demonstrate
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just how far God
will go to save us,
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to show us His love
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even when it means
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snatching us from the dark side.
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My name is Yvonne Shelton
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today via
Skype is Chris Lang,
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producer and
director of the film
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Charmed by Darkness,
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and founder of Livestream Media,
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a non-profit film company.
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Welcome to Urban Report, Chris.
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Welcome back.
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Thank you very much, Yvonne.
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You are such a busy guy.
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We know you are a busy guy.
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You have been
working on this project
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and it is now ready and
we are so excited for you.
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Tell us a bit
about Charmed by Darkness
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and the whole journey?
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Thank you, Yvonne.
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You know, I was sharing with you
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before we started taping today
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that I have to be reminded
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sometimes that God
doesn't wear a wristwatch.
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Yeah, right.
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And I'm so thankful
that God has already gone
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around the corner in the
future and seen what's coming.
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And He's prepared
things for you and me
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and whoever's listening today
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to fulfill that purpose
for which they were born.
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And this six and
a half year journey,
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Yvonne, I met you years ago
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when we were
just getting started.
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And you might
remember seeing this book.
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I read that book and I...
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What was it, two or three days?
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I couldn't put it
down. Yeah, that's...
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Fascinating.
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This book came out in 2015.
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And it was,
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it's the full manuscript
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of Roger's
original conversion story.
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Roger Morneau
was a demon worshiper
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who became a Christian,
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an Adventist Christian author
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and founder of an
international prayer ministry.
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And in your opening today,
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you said that
God has the ability
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to reach down into the
darkness and pull people out at,
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well, the Bible even
says to the uttermost...
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That's right. He can save.
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That's right.
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And I like to tell people
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this is one of the most
compelling conversion stories
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of the 20th century.
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Yes.
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And it was a, it
was a great honor
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to finally connect
with Roger's family.
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Roger Morneau's family,
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who's southwest
and I had spent years,
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just impressed that to ask them
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if anyone had
ever asked permission
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to dramatize
his conversion story
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after so many years.
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For those that don't know
about Roger Morneau's story,
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he grew up in the...
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He was born in the 20s,
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grew up in the 30s in
a Roman Catholic family.
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And at the ripe old age of
12, he was told that his mother,
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who had just passed away
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had escaped purgatory and
gone straight into heaven.
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And that was because
his father was wealthy
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and was able to
pay for 300 masses
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simultaneously across Canada,
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which, by the way,
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Roger was born in
New Brunswick, Canada.
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Well, there was a poor old woman
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who was a close family friend
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who had also
recently passed away
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and this young 12
year old's correct mind
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when the priest told him
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that this kindly old lady
was suffering in purgatory
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and she was just as
godly as his mother.
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He decided God was a tyrant.
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He turned his back on religion
as soon as he left home.
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And that left a
huge vacuum in Roger
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and he actually
became an atheist.
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During the World War II, he
served his country in Canada
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on a merchant navy
ship, cargo vessel,
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and many of his friends died
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while during this
period of his life
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when he hated God.
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You know, let me
just interrupt you
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for a second, Chris,
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because it's so
interesting to me how the devil
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will distort God's character.
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So he, there's so many
people who believe that,
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you know, when you die,
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you go straight
to heaven or hell,
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and if you're in hell,
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you're burning up and
you're burning forever.
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And if you are in that in
between place of purgatory,
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you know, it's just,
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it's such a distortion
of the loving character
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of the God that we know.
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So, you can kind of
understand how people
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because they
don't know who God is,
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they get
sidetracked into thinking
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that God is this tyrant
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who is going to burn you forever
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or who's going to have
you writhing in pain forever.
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And so,
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if that's what led
Roger into atheism, correct?
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That's right. There
was this big vacuum.
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And as soon as the devil
gets people to turn their back
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on the scriptures
on the ancient book,
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that is the only
book in world history
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that actually tells us
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about a creator God
who knows our names,
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and actually
became flesh and blood
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and died to basically
save us from ourselves
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from the fallen angels
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who were kicked out of heaven
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because Lucifer
rebelled against Jesus Christ,
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a pre-incarnate Jesus
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and ultimately the fact
that Jesus came to save us.
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It's only one book in history
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that tells us
the truth about this,
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this great God
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who became one of us to save us,
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and today intercedes for us
to save us even still today.
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And I think
that's what's so exciting
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about Roger's story
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is that God knew
that Roger was deceived.
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And for those who
are watching today,
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who maybe grew up
in a Christian home,
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maybe grew up in
another worldview,
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and they've heard about
Jesus, they've heard about God,
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but maybe to them
God is a impersonal force
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in the universe
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who doesn't have a
heart or a nurturing spirit
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to actually help
me in my situation.
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So many of these traditions
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that you were
talking about earlier,
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like paganism, like Hinduism,
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they teach you to
worship the ancestors,
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who actually are the
ones interceding for us
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in the afterlife.
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And actually, the
Bible is the only source
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also that teaches us
the truth about death.
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And a lot of people
may be watching today
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and say, well, but the Bible,
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does the Bible really
teach the death are asleep?
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Yes, it does, absolutely.
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And, you know,
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we didn't take a lot
of time upon in this film
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to give a Bible
study about death.
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But it was something
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the Lord
impressed me to touch on.
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Those who watched
Charmed by Darkness,
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they will see
that is touched on.
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And then by God's grace,
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they'll connect
with our other film,
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a companion program
called Beware of Angels,
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which we talked about last
time I was on your program.
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Which is all
about this deception,
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this original lie in the
garden from the serpent, right?
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Yes. You will not surely die.
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Yes.
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And so really
Charmed by Darkness
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really was an opportunity
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to really expose
that Lucifer is Satan.
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And that Satan is a real person.
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Yes.
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And he and for any,
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and people doubt his existence
at the peril of their own soul.
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That, you know, I
was talking to someone
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not long ago
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who believes
doesn't believe that,
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that there's a Satan.
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They don't believe in Satan.
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They don't, so, I'm like, well,
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where does the evil come from?
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And you know, if
you believe in God,
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but you don't believe in Satan,
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then where does evil come from?
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Well, they just don't
believe in that being.
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That's one of the deceptions
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that Satan the enemy
has brought to people
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that he doesn't really exist.
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Because if you can think
that he doesn't really exist,
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then you don't have
to answer for what you do
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because, you know,
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there's no
evil, it's just there.
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And then there are other people
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who will admit
that there's evil,
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but there's still not a
being that personifies evil.
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There is, the Bible
teaches who Lucifer is, was,
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who Satan is
and how it happened,
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and what has happened
to earth as a result of it.
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It's all there.
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And so, I'm so glad
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that you've used media to teach
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because it is
such an important tool.
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It's such an important tool
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and you are
using media to teach,
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we have a trailer of the film
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that we want to
show in just a second.
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Set us, set it up for us.
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Sure, sure.
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Well, one of the goals
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is that you always
want to have a trailer
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that's less than
two minutes long.
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That's the first
thing because people are ADD
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in our culture today, right?
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So, you only have a few seconds,
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you got a few seconds
to get their attention.
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Right.
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And so, I'm kind
of lifting something
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out of Roger
Morneau's philosophy
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and by God's grace
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we will capture
people's curiosity
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enough to make, make them want,
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by the Holy Spirit's curiosity
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and to want to watch and see
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who this man Roger Morneau was.
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And all the people
connected to his story.
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This just gives
you a little taste.
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Great. Let's check it out.
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Mr. Morneau.
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This man is
connected with the guy above
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and he wanted to
talk to and pray for.
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Roger ministered to
thousands I know of,
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maybe million.
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I wanted to know what he knew
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and why his
prayers were so powerful.
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Does the author of
this book live here?
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There's power in Roger's story.
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There's something
that doesn't want me
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to continue typing this.
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Welcome to our home. Thank you.
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How were the scriptures given?
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And we read the questions
and looked at the scriptures.
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He never blinked.
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The sweat was
pouring from his face.
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And I said,
"What are you doing?"
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He said, "Oh,
just trying something."
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Better pray.
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This weird situation we're in.
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I still was not a
believer in the devil.
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There's only
spirits and union workers
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know just how to
handle those type of people.
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Wow, that was powerful.
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That was powerful.
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That does whet your appetite,
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like you want to know more
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what's gonna happen
and who is this guy,
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Roger Morneau.
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And just, yeah,
that's really good.
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And it addresses
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some of the weird
things that happened,
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you know, during
even the production time.
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And we're going to
talk about that in a bit.
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But what were
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some of the
activities and research
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that you had to do, like you,
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you must have had
to do a lot of research
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because this was,
what in the 40s and 30s.
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How did you do all that research
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and what were
some of your findings?
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Yeah. Yvonne, it was a...
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I think part of the reason
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why this took so long to produce
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is that, first of all,
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from a journalistic perspective,
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you don't want
to make statements
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unless you have
sources for what you're saying.
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And I had prayed all
along in this journey
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that God help us
to be able to prove
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through documentary evidence,
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the things which we can prove,
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so that it will add credibility
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for the things
which we can't prove.
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Oh, excellent.
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Because there's
nobody, see Roger,
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Roger never gave names of
the people that he was with
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and the secret
society, for example, right?
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He didn't say who
George the jazz musician was
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that rose to fame
in the blink of an eye
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and invited him
into this elite group.
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We think we know who it is.
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But quite frankly,
that doesn't change
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the trajectory of
Roger's testimony.
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Right.
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And also because we can't
make statements for things
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that we don't have.
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We don't have
documentary proof about.
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All that being said,
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I'll just give you a
couple of highlights.
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Yes.
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One of the amazing
revelations that I thought was,
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was really exciting
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was how God showed me
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the history of
the Golden Square Mile
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in Montreal.
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I knew nothing
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about that part of
Montreal's history.
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But did you know that
at the turn of the 1900s,
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there were the families
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that controlled
70% of Canada's wealth
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lived in a one square
mile area of Montreal.
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Wow.
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Seventy percent
of Canada's wealth
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was owned in a
square mile of families.
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Isn't that
something? That is amazing.
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So there was this one wealthy
super, super wealthy area
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that people lived
in one square mile.
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One square mile. Wow.
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And it was, it was nicknamed
the Golden Square Mile.
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And when Roger,
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when Roger left World War II
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and was and came into
the 40s era of Montreal,
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that square mile still had
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many of the elite
families that lived there.
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And, of course,
we included pictures
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of some of these areas,
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mansions, locations,
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because so many
people are curious
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about that part
of Roger's story,
00:15:13.64\00:15:15.38
obviously we can't prove.
00:15:15.41\00:15:17.11
But there are, there
is documentary evidence
00:15:17.15\00:15:20.25
contributing to the credibility
of that part of his story.
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There was truly an
elite culture there.
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The other thing
that we didn't talk
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about in the movie
that was equally helpful
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was the fact that
the Jewish culture there,
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90% of them live in an area
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where most of the
garment factories were.
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And most people when,
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when Roger tells his
story about how Cyril,
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right, talked to his boss
about keeping the Sabbath.
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And the Jew asked
him, "Are you a Jew?"
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And Cyril says,
"No, I'm a Christian."
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You know, the
truth is that part of,
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that part of the
history is absolutely provable,
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that the, you know,
00:16:02.92\00:16:05.19
this part of the
story is completely logical
00:16:05.23\00:16:09.13
and historical
precedents was there to back up
00:16:09.16\00:16:11.77
that the Jews basically owned
most of the garment factories,
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in fact, over 90% of them.
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So that just gave
me a lot of confidence
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when we made
statements about Roger and Cyril
00:16:20.88\00:16:23.31
and Cynthia story in the film,
00:16:23.35\00:16:25.51
that they were really
based on historical evidence,
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including documents
that God helped us find
00:16:28.15\00:16:30.89
from World War II.
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Wow.
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Praise the Lord
00:16:33.66\00:16:34.99
that you were
able to authenticate
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a lot of what you talked about.
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That's a real blessing.
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Let's talk about
the actors that you cast
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in the roles of Cyril,
and Roger, and Cynthia.
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Let's talk about them.
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How did you find them,
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like what went into casting them
00:16:50.57\00:16:52.14
in those roles?
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Well, it was, it ended
up being a huge blessing
00:16:55.38\00:16:58.75
with every one of them.
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And, you know,
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it took six months
actually to put together
00:17:02.25\00:17:05.42
the two movie sets
00:17:05.45\00:17:06.89
with all of the
different props and furniture.
00:17:06.92\00:17:11.66
And all of those
things that you see
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kind of in the core
foundation of the film
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is actually
this 1946 Bible study
00:17:16.26\00:17:19.17
that happened and
sort of the commitment
00:17:19.20\00:17:21.74
to having wardrobe
00:17:21.77\00:17:23.34
and paint colors
and all of that stuff.
00:17:23.37\00:17:25.91
So that it could
kind of bring it to life
00:17:25.94\00:17:28.54
and the fact that we
actually hadn't planned
00:17:28.58\00:17:30.98
to have spoken
lines during the shoot,
00:17:31.01\00:17:34.38
it was actually
just going to be B-roll.
00:17:34.42\00:17:36.08
And for those that are watching
that don't know what B-roll is.
00:17:36.12\00:17:42.46
Your actors don't
have spoken lines,
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scripted lines, right?
00:17:44.39\00:17:47.66
But when they got there,
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I knew that they were the ones
00:17:50.33\00:17:51.67
the Lord had chosen
for several reasons.
00:17:51.70\00:17:53.50
First of all, they
were super patient.
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It's because all of
them had the understanding
00:17:58.51\00:18:01.18
that when they came on
set that day, they were just,
00:18:01.21\00:18:04.21
they weren't going to
have a spoken line story about.
00:18:04.25\00:18:06.78
Well, at the last minute I
felt the Lord impressing me,
00:18:06.82\00:18:10.05
we needed a live mic on the set.
00:18:10.09\00:18:12.49
And we ended up
00:18:12.52\00:18:14.32
changing kind of pivoting
right there at the last minute,
00:18:14.36\00:18:17.19
and they were very cool,
00:18:17.23\00:18:19.26
they put their
heart and soul into it.
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And God blessed us.
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I mean, we had to shoot
00:18:22.83\00:18:24.17
more takes than we had expected,
00:18:24.20\00:18:25.63
but they did a tremendous job.
00:18:25.67\00:18:28.24
And I think most people who,
00:18:28.27\00:18:30.64
the people out there
who'd read any of Roger's books
00:18:30.67\00:18:32.97
or know anything
about the friendship
00:18:33.01\00:18:35.11
between Roger and Cyril.
00:18:35.14\00:18:36.98
Well, the last
thing I'll mention
00:18:37.01\00:18:38.35
that kind of gave me
00:18:38.38\00:18:39.71
this total
confidence that God chose
00:18:39.75\00:18:42.58
these young people
to be in these role.
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The young Cyril actor
and the young Roger actor
00:18:46.19\00:18:48.89
had never met before,
00:18:48.92\00:18:51.13
they didn't know each other
00:18:51.16\00:18:52.63
and they came to this
set on the day of the shoot,
00:18:52.66\00:18:56.06
and they met on
set for the first time.
00:18:56.10\00:19:00.04
Their chemistry was so
natural, so unbelievable.
00:19:00.07\00:19:04.31
We laughed more
than we deserved to laugh
00:19:04.34\00:19:06.91
on the set.
00:19:06.94\00:19:09.14
And pretty soon when
the viewers who see this,
00:19:09.18\00:19:13.35
later we're going
to post some outtakes,
00:19:13.38\00:19:15.02
some bloopers
and things like that,
00:19:15.05\00:19:16.55
so that people can see
00:19:16.58\00:19:18.25
how naturally they
worked together on set.
00:19:18.29\00:19:20.52
And that was just a blessing.
00:19:20.56\00:19:21.89
And you know why, Yvonne?
00:19:21.92\00:19:23.46
Because Roger and Cyril
actually became best friends
00:19:23.49\00:19:28.46
and for the rest of their lives
00:19:28.50\00:19:30.73
after they met in
the factory that week,
00:19:30.77\00:19:32.63
when they ended up
studying the Bible together.
00:19:32.67\00:19:35.60
And do you know,
00:19:35.64\00:19:37.04
the young Cyril and young Roger,
00:19:37.07\00:19:39.17
they now see each
other on a weekly basis
00:19:39.21\00:19:42.11
ever since they worked together
on the set of this film.
00:19:42.14\00:19:45.15
Aw!
00:19:45.18\00:19:46.51
What a neat story.
00:19:46.55\00:19:48.18
So they became close
friends like the real,
00:19:48.22\00:19:50.95
like the characters they played.
00:19:50.99\00:19:52.82
Wow.
00:19:52.85\00:19:54.19
What did the families
00:19:54.22\00:19:55.62
of Roger and Cyril
think about these actors?
00:19:55.66\00:20:00.43
You know, they
love these actors,
00:20:00.46\00:20:03.70
they felt like they
were very believable.
00:20:03.73\00:20:05.87
And that was such
a huge affirmation
00:20:05.90\00:20:09.97
to have a
blessing from the families
00:20:10.01\00:20:11.87
of, you know,
Roger's daughter, Linda,
00:20:11.91\00:20:14.94
who also appears in the film.
00:20:14.98\00:20:17.38
She told me that
she cried a lot of times
00:20:17.41\00:20:21.35
since she watched
this film out of joy,
00:20:21.38\00:20:24.12
because there's so many things
that come out in this film.
00:20:24.15\00:20:28.66
The family is
such a private family,
00:20:28.69\00:20:30.53
Yvonne,
00:20:30.56\00:20:31.89
they don't go on camera,
they don't go give interviews,
00:20:31.93\00:20:35.33
in a way they've
been living in the shadow
00:20:35.36\00:20:37.47
of this huge legacy.
00:20:37.50\00:20:39.13
Yes.
00:20:39.17\00:20:40.50
And this film
actually gave them,
00:20:40.54\00:20:43.94
God gave them an
opportunity to speak a word
00:20:43.97\00:20:48.41
about this journey
they've all been on together,
00:20:48.44\00:20:51.71
and what it means
00:20:51.75\00:20:53.38
and how it connects to
God's bigger plan for them.
00:20:53.42\00:20:57.09
And one more thing I'll mention
00:20:57.12\00:20:58.45
that was so affirming
from Cyril's daughter-in-law,
00:20:58.49\00:21:03.16
her name is Olive
00:21:03.19\00:21:04.53
and we become very good friends.
00:21:04.56\00:21:06.09
Since Cyril passed away,
00:21:06.13\00:21:07.46
since both Cyril
and Cynthia passed away
00:21:07.50\00:21:09.56
soon after I worked with them.
00:21:09.60\00:21:11.80
And Olive, an author,
00:21:11.83\00:21:13.84
her daughter and
her grandchildren
00:21:13.87\00:21:15.77
who were the great grandchildren
00:21:15.80\00:21:17.14
of Cyril and Cynthia,
00:21:17.17\00:21:19.01
these young girls
were all sitting there
00:21:19.04\00:21:20.71
in front of the TV watching
Charmed by Darkness together
00:21:20.74\00:21:24.31
and they, every once in a while,
00:21:24.35\00:21:25.95
Olive said they would pause it,
00:21:25.98\00:21:27.32
they would look
at their grandmother
00:21:27.35\00:21:28.68
and they would look at
her with this expression.
00:21:28.72\00:21:32.15
And they said,
00:21:32.19\00:21:33.52
that's exactly how
grandpa used to tell us.
00:21:33.56\00:21:35.99
Wow!
00:21:36.02\00:21:37.93
But they were
seeing it being reenacted.
00:21:37.96\00:21:40.43
Yes.
00:21:40.46\00:21:41.80
And Olive said
that those little girls
00:21:41.83\00:21:43.67
did not budge an inch
00:21:43.70\00:21:45.27
the whole time
the movie was playing.
00:21:45.30\00:21:47.54
Which is a true test, right?
00:21:47.57\00:21:49.74
Which is a true test of
how compelling the film is.
00:21:49.77\00:21:53.14
If you can hold the
attention of youngsters,
00:21:53.17\00:21:55.78
you can really
hold some attention.
00:21:55.81\00:21:59.28
I just praise the Lord,
00:21:59.31\00:22:00.65
you know, for that
kind of family centric.
00:22:00.68\00:22:05.32
They know the story
better than anyone, right?
00:22:05.35\00:22:07.69
That's right. That's right.
00:22:07.72\00:22:10.23
They know the story better
00:22:10.26\00:22:11.59
and they could
see the parallels,
00:22:11.63\00:22:15.00
the similarities
between the actors
00:22:15.03\00:22:17.13
and the real characters,
00:22:17.17\00:22:19.03
which is a blessing
because that was his family.
00:22:19.07\00:22:23.44
And just the miracle of
how it all fit together,
00:22:23.47\00:22:28.18
you know, these flashbacks
when people see the film,
00:22:28.21\00:22:31.58
they'll see that
the Bible studies,
00:22:31.61\00:22:33.62
the foundation and
then there's flashbacks
00:22:33.65\00:22:35.72
to different
parts of Roger's life
00:22:35.75\00:22:37.62
and there's,
00:22:37.65\00:22:40.02
it's constantly
moving different places.
00:22:40.06\00:22:41.99
So the viewer
isn't just sitting there
00:22:42.02\00:22:43.36
in a Bible study the
whole time, you know?
00:22:43.39\00:22:46.70
That would be kind
of rough. You're right.
00:22:46.73\00:22:49.46
That is so, so good.
00:22:49.50\00:22:50.83
I mean, for a
non-believer, of course.
00:22:50.87\00:22:52.93
Right, right, right, right.
00:22:52.97\00:22:54.80
This is so good.
00:22:54.84\00:22:56.24
I'm so excited about this film,
00:22:56.27\00:22:58.27
and I know that the
viewers are going to love it.
00:22:58.31\00:23:00.38
And I know also
that behind the scenes
00:23:00.41\00:23:03.08
during the shooting of the film,
00:23:03.11\00:23:05.55
you had some
unusual things happen.
00:23:05.58\00:23:07.62
Tell us about that?
00:23:07.65\00:23:10.99
Yeah, the last time
00:23:11.02\00:23:13.32
I was on the
program with you, Yvonne,
00:23:13.36\00:23:15.02
I shared how a bear
00:23:15.06\00:23:16.39
after living in this
house for 20 some years,
00:23:16.42\00:23:19.49
broke through my fence
the night I was scanning
00:23:19.53\00:23:21.56
those little Bible
studies that are out of print.
00:23:21.60\00:23:24.47
And Cyril mailed them to me.
00:23:24.50\00:23:26.63
And, you know,
00:23:26.67\00:23:28.60
just a few months
before we finished
00:23:28.64\00:23:30.31
post-production, it
was my birthday last fall.
00:23:30.34\00:23:33.54
And at 3 am I heard a
crash that woke me up,
00:23:33.58\00:23:37.68
this time I got a
security camera video
00:23:37.71\00:23:40.28
of this big bear
00:23:40.32\00:23:41.65
who crashed
through my fence again.
00:23:41.68\00:23:44.75
The same bear came back
five years later, Yvonne.
00:23:44.79\00:23:47.42
Wow!
00:23:47.46\00:23:49.42
That is so, that's scary.
00:23:49.46\00:23:54.73
Also, the day we announced
post-production for this film,
00:23:54.76\00:23:58.43
a microburst came up
00:23:58.47\00:24:00.40
and for those who don't
know what a microburst is,
00:24:00.44\00:24:02.50
you can search on the
internet, you can Google it.
00:24:02.54\00:24:04.84
It's a small tornado
00:24:04.87\00:24:07.08
that just came out of nowhere
00:24:07.11\00:24:08.61
and suck the tops off
of two of my big oak trees
00:24:08.64\00:24:11.71
and smash them down
on the roof of my house.
00:24:11.75\00:24:15.08
I saw it happen
00:24:15.12\00:24:16.45
right after I
got off a phone call.
00:24:16.48\00:24:18.35
And during that same hour,
00:24:18.39\00:24:20.69
you know, some people
00:24:20.72\00:24:22.06
who don't
believe the devil exists,
00:24:22.09\00:24:24.56
they say, oh,
that that could happen,
00:24:24.59\00:24:26.13
that was just a coincidence.
00:24:26.16\00:24:27.96
Well, within the
same hour, Yvonne,
00:24:28.00\00:24:30.93
a fire broke out
00:24:30.97\00:24:32.30
in our associate
producer's neighborhood
00:24:32.33\00:24:34.00
on the other side
of the United States
00:24:34.04\00:24:35.84
and right in California,
00:24:35.87\00:24:37.44
it was such a bad fire
00:24:37.47\00:24:38.81
that they had to
evacuate their whole family.
00:24:38.84\00:24:41.64
And it burned
down a neighbor's house
00:24:41.68\00:24:43.98
just nearby where they live.
00:24:44.01\00:24:48.12
The forces of
evil were very angry.
00:24:48.15\00:24:50.19
Well, at the same time, Yvonne,
00:24:50.22\00:24:52.05
God was working
miracles, you know.
00:24:52.09\00:24:55.76
And I just wanted to
share this sweet story
00:24:55.79\00:24:57.79
I just heard this morning
from Yvonne, from Amanda,
00:24:57.83\00:25:01.80
the young blonde
girl that you see,
00:25:01.83\00:25:03.93
you saw in the trailer.
00:25:03.97\00:25:05.47
She typed the
manuscript for this book,
00:25:05.50\00:25:08.74
Charmed by Darkness,
00:25:08.77\00:25:10.11
and as a result
became a Sabbath keeper.
00:25:10.14\00:25:13.11
Oh, praise God.
00:25:13.14\00:25:15.01
So in the movie, you will see
00:25:15.04\00:25:17.78
what happened
during that first Saturday
00:25:17.81\00:25:19.61
that she kept before the Lord.
00:25:19.65\00:25:23.12
But today she's
still a Sabbath keeper,
00:25:23.15\00:25:25.29
and the devil sometimes
will do small things, Yvonne,
00:25:25.32\00:25:28.56
to try and
discourage and crush you.
00:25:28.59\00:25:32.66
Last Friday, she was backing out
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to go pick up one of her kids
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and she backed
over the family cat.
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And for all, for all
they knew the cat was dead.
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The animal control
came and picked up the cat
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and took it away
00:25:46.57\00:25:47.91
and we're gonna put it
down because the cat was just,
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well, she heard it,
00:25:50.55\00:25:51.88
she heard the crunch
when she rolled over it.
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Well, this morning
she texted me, Yvonne,
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after almost a week of grieving
the loss of their family cat
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because she has
several children,
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they are heartbroken.
00:26:01.29\00:26:03.63
That family control,
animal control called them back
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and said the cat is
alive and has no scratches,
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no injuries, nothing at all.
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Wow!
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Oh, what a
blessing, what a blessing.
00:26:12.83\00:26:14.77
We have like one minute
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you got to tell us what you need
00:26:16.40\00:26:18.31
and how can the viewers help?
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The film recently
came out on Amazon Prime,
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and you can watch it for free.
00:26:26.11\00:26:27.92
If our viewers
00:26:27.95\00:26:29.28
are able to share
this link on Amazon
00:26:29.32\00:26:33.25
with their family and friends,
00:26:33.29\00:26:34.62
we need as many
reviews as possible, Yvonne,
00:26:34.66\00:26:36.79
because every review
actually helps this film
00:26:36.83\00:26:40.13
to rise in its ranking
00:26:40.16\00:26:41.50
so that more people can see it.
00:26:41.53\00:26:43.70
And our goal is to actually have
00:26:43.73\00:26:45.23
a strong
performance in the near future
00:26:45.27\00:26:47.24
so that more
platforms will want this film
00:26:47.27\00:26:49.57
and we can spread the word
00:26:49.60\00:26:50.94
to many other
platforms around the world.
00:26:50.97\00:26:53.51
So I thank your viewers
in advance for their support.
00:26:53.54\00:26:57.15
What a blessing, Chris.
00:26:57.18\00:26:58.85
We are so
thankful for what you do,
00:26:58.88\00:27:00.98
and for the fact
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that you have brought
this story to the world.
00:27:02.48\00:27:05.05
We know that
people are going to watch
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and be blessed
00:27:07.16\00:27:08.49
and many will come
to Christ as a result,
00:27:08.52\00:27:10.53
and we praise God for that.
00:27:10.56\00:27:12.29
So thank you so
very much for doing it
00:27:12.33\00:27:14.86
and for being with us.
00:27:14.90\00:27:17.60
Thank you for having me, Yvonne.
00:27:17.63\00:27:18.97
We appreciate you
really, really very much.
00:27:19.00\00:27:22.10
And we thank you
for being with us.
00:27:22.14\00:27:23.81
Make sure that you
support this effort,
00:27:23.84\00:27:26.78
go to livestream.org,
livestreammedia.org.
00:27:26.81\00:27:31.08
I think we put
the website up anyway.
00:27:31.11\00:27:34.05
And make sure that you donate
and support Livestream Media
00:27:34.08\00:27:38.85
because they are
doing some amazing work.
00:27:38.89\00:27:41.99
Well, we've come to
the end of this program,
00:27:42.02\00:27:44.39
I can't believe it.
00:27:44.43\00:27:46.13
This time goes by so fast,
00:27:46.16\00:27:47.83
especially when you're talking
about the Lord and the work
00:27:47.86\00:27:50.93
that's being done in the world.
00:27:50.97\00:27:52.63
Make sure you tune in next
time because you know what?
00:27:52.67\00:27:55.14
Just wouldn't be
the same without you.
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