What's special about
Christian counseling?
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Stay tuned to meet a woman
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who can tell you
what it's all about.
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My name is Jason Bradley,
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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I had the
opportunity to sit down
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with Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin
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and discuss the
third and fourth seasons
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of Live to Be Well.
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While doing so we
talked a little bit
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about some of the major issues
that people are dealing with,
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such as stress and anxiety.
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We also discussed what it's like
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being a Christian counselor
in a very secular world
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and how she
utilizes her practice
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as a witnessing tool for Christ.
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Let's take a look at
what Dr. Kim had to say.
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I am here live
in Detroit, Michigan
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at Dr. Kim
Logan-Nowlin's office.
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And if you've
seen Live to Be Well,
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then you know
exactly where I am.
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Dr. Kim, we're recording
the third and fourth season
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of Live to Be Well.
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I'm excited. Yes.
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Thank you, thank you so
much for coming to Detroit.
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Thank you for being
here Jason, I appreciate it.
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Well, thank you for
having us. Oh, most definitely.
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You know, you see
quite a few clients.
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Yes, I do.
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And a lot of your
clients or what percentage...
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Let me ask you rather,
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what percentage of your clients
do you think are Adventist?
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Maybe 1%. One percent?
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Yes. Okay. Okay.
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Throughout the program,
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we get to watch you
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in the middle of a
counseling session.
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Yes.
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And we've discussed
multiple different topics.
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What can people expect?
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Well, they're going to expect,
they can expect transparency.
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Okay. Honesty.
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They're going
to expect humility.
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But the most important
being able to be a resource.
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The people that I bring on,
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I like to be able to
be use Live to Be Well
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and my counseling
practice as a witnessing tool.
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As I stated 1% are
Seventh-day Adventists.
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Mm-hmm.
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The myth of that, I
go to church with her,
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I see her at
different functions,
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I went to Oakwood
University with her.
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So that causes them to say,
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"Well, I don't want to
go to her for counseling,"
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but please still seek help.
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Let me refer you. Yes.
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So the
individuals that come here,
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so many are
referred by other people,
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who have been here before.
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And what I've come to find out
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is that individuals are
looking for Jesus Christ.
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They're looking,
they already know
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that I am a Christian therapist,
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because it's in my
website, it's on my...
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All my social media.
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So they know before
they walk through the door.
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They know beforehand.
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Very few, I mean, one
or two out of the year
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may come in and
say, "I didn't know."
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Beginning of every...
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At the beginning
of every session,
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I ask first, can we have prayer?
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Is it all right
that we have prayer.
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At the end of the
session, let me pray with you.
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And they're
like, "Oh, yes, yes."
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Or they're
surprised when they say,
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"I didn't even know you
were a Christian therapist."
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So it is a witnessing
tool, it is a resource,
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and it helps people
to find their real path,
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because we all need a
closer walk with Christ
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and we may not
get it in a church.
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We may not get
in the Bible study,
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may not get in the potluck,
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but you might find
them in a therapy session.
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Uh-huh. Yes.
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What does one of your
therapy sessions look like?
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Well, just like this one-on-one.
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You know, how
are you, Mr. Bradley?
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I'm doing well. Good.
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So I would say to them
what brings you here today?
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Okay. Let's talk about anxiety.
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So, you've been
dealing with anxiety,
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you know, on your job,
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and I may have to say to them
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how far back have you
been filling with anxiety
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or depression, insomnia
where you just can't sleep,
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because that's
not normal for you
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not being able to sleep
with on a regular pattern.
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So then I get into asking
them about their family origin.
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And I do what is
called a therapeutic diagram
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of their past and their present,
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and then their outcomes.
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Because see the key
factor in therapy, Jason.
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I'm looking for
a healthy outcome.
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Okay.
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I do testing and evaluation,
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I do a personality
test on Myers-Briggs,
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and then I do
other type of testing.
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But looking at how they have
been impacted psychoanalytical,
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their childhood, the scars.
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And sometimes I'll
start a therapy session
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and all they can do is cry.
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Wow!
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And I have to say that all
I could do is sit and wait,
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because how do you
run someone through that.
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All you can do is say
to them, "Take your time."
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So a therapy session
lasts about 60 minutes,
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sometimes a little longer,
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because they could be
in a moment of crisis.
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Yes. Yes.
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And I'm gonna look at my watch,
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"Well, your time
is up, let's go."
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I have someone waiting.
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That is harsh,
cold. That is, that is.
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Would you come
back the next week?
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No.
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They might be at that point
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where they're about
to have a breakthrough?
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Yes.
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So when you're
asking these questions,
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are you trying to dig
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and get to the root
cause of the situation?
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Yeah, because we want
to break the barriers.
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We want to get into the layer.
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We got to peel back the
layers and it hurts, it's hard.
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What are some of the
challenges that you face?
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When individuals
don't know which is rare
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because it's on my
website, it's on the internet,
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but when they
come in and I ask them
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would they like to have prayer.
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Another challenge that I have,
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wanting therapy
sessions on Saturday.
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Well, I worship on Saturday.
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Now the Bible says,
Jason, it's good to do well.
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Arthur and I have
and when he was alive,
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if there was an
emergency suicide attempt,
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someone was,
please call the Nolans.
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We went and we
assisted any way we could.
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So the challenges
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are being able to look
at the responsibilities
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of using the Word of God,
because I gotta stand on that.
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I have a standard
being a Christian.
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That's right.
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I have a standard
and that I must use,
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because I've had men
come in and flirt with me.
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And yes, and I would
have to let them know.
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You are here for counseling.
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I nip that in the bud. Yeah.
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And I say, "Let's pray."
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You know, and I
don't want to pray,
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you know, and I
say, "That's fine.
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Would you like to
continue the session?"
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So their motive
wasn't right. Yeah.
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I say, "Well, let me
show you to the door."
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And you establish that early on.
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Early on. Yeah. Yeah.
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One time a man
followed me off the elevator
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and we always
keep our door locked.
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But this time he
got in right behind me.
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But Arthur was
sitting in the office.
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Okay.
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Karen was in her office,
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I was saying something to Arthur
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and he said, "So
you're a therapist."
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And I said, "Yes."
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I said, "My husband
would be a good fit for you."
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And Arthur get
up, shook his hand,
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haven't seen him since.
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Wow! All right.
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Wow! So clearly his
motive was all wrong.
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It was all wrong.
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So I've faced
challenges of sexuality,
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you know, authority.
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You deal with
children and young teenagers
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who feel that they could
just say whatever, do whatever.
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And no, I'm not
having that. Yeah, yeah.
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You know, but I'm not a
glorified babysitter for you
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to drop your
children off either.
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No.
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I need you to be in the session
and do family counseling also,
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so that we can
rectify this problem.
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Yeah, because there has
to be some kind of homework,
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there has to be
some kind of assignment
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to continue the growth process.
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Oh, yes. I give
homework. Uh-huh.
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You know, and Arthur
and I've written many books
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on relationships, the family,
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how to help the family,
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but I also give homework.
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I have this one
paper for my couples,
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a 100 ways to build your love.
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Hmm.
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You know, and there's 100 things
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that Arthur and I put
together and we built,
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and we didn't
do all 100 of them,
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but we have enough on
there that you can canoeing,
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you can go, you
know, read a book together,
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go take a walk
together, bicycling.
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So if you, you know,
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if you're older have
a nice dinner together.
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So I give homework like that,
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and they've to bring back
what they did on date night,
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all right, because a lot of them
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have lost that camaraderie,
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they've lost the
connection, you know.
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And when they
come in for therapy,
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I have my couple
sit on this couch
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and they're like...
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And I don't want them in chairs.
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I want them to
have to really be close.
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Yes.
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And I say, "Now can you
tell me why you're here,
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because you've
known each other 10 years,
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or 6 months, or a month.
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And that's more
time that I've had."
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So tell me, what
challenges are you facing
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and how can I help?
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And typically do
people open up to you?
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Oh, yeah.
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Oh, yes, they open up.
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They recognize that I'm sincere.
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Okay.
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And they recognize that
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and they read my reviews online,
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you can't write
those reviews yourself.
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And they really appreciate
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what has been written by
present or former clients.
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And they are very comfortable.
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And just like this 15 year old,
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he called the
office his mother did,
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he's being bullied.
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And I haven't met
with him yet but he...
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I talked to the mother
and I said, "Well, why?"
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She said, "No, you
will select the therapist."
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He went and
read all the reviews.
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He looked at
other people, he said,
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"She's has more
experience and seen the reviews,
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and she seems like she's
old enough to handle me."
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Fifteen, that he
wanted someone sees it.
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Yes.
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So not to say someone's been
in business two or three years
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could not have
given him the same help,
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but it was a fit for him.
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Yeah.
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And he was looking for
an African-American female.
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So I had a couple the
other day was European-American
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and I just looked
at them and they said,
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"Why are you looking at me?"
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And I said, "You
don't see color at all."
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They said, "No."
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He said, "Dr. Kim,
we want your help."
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They said, "Did you see us?"
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I said, "I see you
as a man and wife."
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Yeah. And how I can help.
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Yeah.
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And so my
practice is really growing
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on the side of just
not non-African Americans.
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I'm getting different
cultures that are coming in,
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because it's hard to
find a Christian therapist.
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Yeah. It's very hard.
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Yes. Yes.
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And see, the beautiful thing
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is, you know, no matter
what nationality you are,
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no matter what
race or any of that,
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we all go through things.
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We all have
problems. Yes, we do.
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And one thing that I
really like about you
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is that you are a
Christian therapist
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and that you point
people to the Word of God
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and that you pray with
them and all of those things.
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That's crucial,
because ultimately we know
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that Christ is the
solution to all of our problems.
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All of our problems,
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that's why there's
so much power in prayer.
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Yeah. And helping people.
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When I counsel couples
who are about to get married,
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I ask them, "Do
you pray together?
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Do you worship together?
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Do you study the Word of God?"
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Because 90% or 98%,
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99% are
non-Seventh-day Adventist.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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And, you know, when
they meet me, they are like,
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you know, you serve God.
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I say, "Yes."
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Well, you've never been
to church in about 10 years.
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I say, "It's okay."
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You know, and maybe
by coming to my office,
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they're going to get,
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you know, because one
of the first thing they do
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and one of their
homework assignments,
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they have to read the
entire Book of Proverbs.
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And the Book of
Proverbs is the Book of Wisdom.
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Yes. Yes.
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So the Bible is the
greatest book ever written.
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Yes.
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And so then from
Proverbs, we go to Ecclesiastes.
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Okay.
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Then from that I take
them to The Minor Prophets.
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Okay.
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Then from there I take
them to The Major Prophets.
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Wow!
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By then I'm doing a Bible study.
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Wow!
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And one gentleman
came in my office...
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And see, I didn't know that,
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that's something
that's new information for me.
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I didn't know that. Yeah.
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And so you don't jump
into The Major Prophets
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that will take
them into the Isaiah,
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start them off with
something that they can,
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you know, The Wisdom,
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and then the
Ecclesiastics is so powerful.
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You know, a lot of us are still
not ready for King Solomon's.
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Okay, that's a
heavy book, all right.
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Yes. Yes.
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But my couples are made
of the love stories that
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and so I give them
those love stories to read.
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But in the Book of Esther,
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If I Perish, I
Perish, in the Book of Ruth,
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that your God will be my
God, your people, my people.
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And they begin to
see the impact of God
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and what He's doing.
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So that's why I take on
these challenges very seriously,
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because I know God can
and will see me through them.
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Amen.
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And what would you
say is the number one
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probably your most popular issue
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that clients bring to you?
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Stress. Stress?
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Stress on the job.
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That's something
that affects everybody.
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Everyone. Yeah.
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Traffic, road rage,
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marriage, church.
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Give me some symptoms of
those and some indicators
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that you need to go
seek professional help.
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Okay, this is one...
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Their rage begins to build.
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Just like a gradual
progression of the rage.
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And I can't control it anymore
and I'm going to hurt someone.
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You know, what do you think
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all these
shootings are coming from?
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Yeah. Family origin.
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Yeah.
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A pinned up
anger, pinned up rage,
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also what's being fed
into them the negativity.
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Isolation is huge with stress.
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I go to work.
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I'm married to
you, Jason, I come home
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and you're sitting
in the living room.
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"Hi, Hon."
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I go up to the bedroom.
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I get
undressed, drop my clothes,
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and I climb in bed,
I'm under the covers.
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She's not just tired.
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Her mental
anguish is building up.
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I'm not eating.
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You know, we're
sitting there eating.
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I'm not hungry.
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That was Monday.
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I'm not hungry Tuesday.
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Something is going
on by Thursday, Friday,
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you're still not eating.
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Because depression
interferes with that stress,
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I don't have an
appetite, insomnia.
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I can't sleep.
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So if I'm not sleeping,
I'm going to be irritable.
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Yeah.
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If I'm going to be irritable,
I'm going to be angry,
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but my anger can be rage,
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rage I'm going to hurt somebody.
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Yeah, and so it's a
cycle? It is a cycle.
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It's a cycle. Yeah.
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So how do you break that cycle?
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Yes.
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First of all again,
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I begin to look at the triggers,
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what is causing the stress?
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Where are you when
these things happen?
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What type of
behavior change happens
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that you can go from
being a mild to a rage
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that high, all right?
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And then you have zero
tolerance for patients,
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you can't talk to anyone.
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So I look at how I
can treat the symptoms.
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Okay.
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And we look at first of all,
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what's preventing
you from sleeping.
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So one person
had a lot of stress,
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so they were
watching late night news.
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So I asked them to change
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what they were
watching at night,
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and then I said,
"Try reading the Bible,
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something motivating,
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read one of my
books, all right."
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Uh-huh.
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And try going to
sleep with soft music,
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you know, the meditation, music,
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you know, the music
with the flowing water
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and the violins that
helps you just relax.
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I have fountains in my office,
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you know, Karen made
sure we had running water.
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So when people come, the
problem is they fall asleep
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all right
they're so comfortable.
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So I have them to do that.
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Warm milk and
honey is a great relaxer.
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Okay.
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All right, drinking more water
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helps to flush the
toxins in the body.
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So I'm looking at
are you drinking alcohol,
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are you using nicotine,
are you smoking marijuana?
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What types of things are
you putting in your body?
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Lots of sugar, lots of sweets,
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keep you hyper to your children.
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What are you angry about?
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You're not angry
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that he didn't
take the garbage out.
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You're angry that he did
not remember your birthday.
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And three weeks later,
you didn't say anything.
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And three weeks
later or your anniversary,
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you bring it up
and he's like, "Ah!"
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Because you've been
so busy, you forgot.
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How do you forget your
wife's birthday or anniversary?
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Yeah.
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So now I'm shutting down
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and I'm angry
everybody on my job,
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because the girl
the next cubicle,
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see her husband sent her roses.
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So now I'm dealing with
seeing your roses at work.
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Yeah.
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So these are
the type of behavior
00:17:01.78\00:17:03.28
so you're dealing
with anger, rage, insomnia,
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you're dealing with
the inability to sleep.
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So I look at the family
origin, I look at the triggers,
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I look at the behavior patterns.
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Okay. I look at the...
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Are you having crying spells,
any aspects of depression?
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Do you want to hurt yourself?
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Any ideation,
suicidal ideation or homicide?
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Because we have
homicide, suicide.
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Where I'm gonna
take you out homicide,
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then I kill myself.
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Yeah.
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Because I know
what's going to happen.
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I can't face my family,
I can't face the children,
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or I'm not going
to leave my children
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as I take the whole family out.
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What about and it's sad
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because we see that so
much in the news today.
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You know, I
actually know a young lady
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whose dad killed her mom.
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They just come back from church
and her dad killed her mom
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and she was in the car.
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Yes. And...
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It happens every day.
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Yeah, it happens
so often and it's sad.
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We wrestle not
against flesh and blood.
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Yes.
00:18:05.85\00:18:07.18
You know, but evil and
principalities of darkness.
00:18:07.22\00:18:09.22
Yeah.
00:18:09.25\00:18:10.59
Another thing that seems to be
00:18:10.62\00:18:11.95
affecting a lot
of people is anxiety.
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Oh, yes.
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So how do you recognize
00:18:15.26\00:18:17.03
that it's not
just a mere nervousness
00:18:17.06\00:18:20.33
or what is the sign with
that or the symptom of that
00:18:20.36\00:18:24.77
that indicates
that you need help?
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Okay, anxiety, I
give you example.
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Okay, you tell me is
this anxiety or stress.
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Okay.
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I'm in the supermarket,
I can't find what I need,
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anxiety or stress?
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That almost seems like
00:18:36.64\00:18:37.98
it could be a
combination of both,
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is there an option C on this?
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No option C. There
is no, both of them.
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I can't find where the milk is,
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so I stop and I
call someone to help me.
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You know, I see a
worker in the supermarket.
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Can you tell me where the milk
is this is my first time here?
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You know, is that
anxiety or is this stress?
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That seems
like, but see, okay...
00:18:55.83\00:18:58.40
Just take a guess,
just take a guess...
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So I gotta ask a
question about this.
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Okay, okay. I got a partner.
00:19:01.54\00:19:02.87
Because I mean, naturally,
00:19:02.90\00:19:04.24
like if you walk
into a supermarket
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and you can't find something,
00:19:05.64\00:19:06.98
the natural thing
is to go ask, right?
00:19:07.01\00:19:08.34
Right. So...
00:19:08.38\00:19:09.71
But sometimes the
help is always available.
00:19:09.74\00:19:11.35
That's true.
00:19:11.38\00:19:12.71
And then if you're in a hurry,
00:19:12.75\00:19:14.28
I think then it
could be maybe anxiety.
00:19:14.32\00:19:16.45
It is anxiety, all right. Okay.
00:19:16.48\00:19:18.09
Stress, your grandfather
passes away, that's stress,
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because that's long term.
00:19:21.26\00:19:22.59
Yeah.
00:19:22.62\00:19:23.96
The trauma is very,
00:19:23.99\00:19:25.33
you know, so we have
acute stress disorder,
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we have stress,
00:19:27.86\00:19:29.20
then we have anxiety, all right.
00:19:29.23\00:19:32.53
Listen, I don't know what
pair of shoes to wear to church.
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That would be...
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Oh, which one?
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Give me a hint.
00:19:42.61\00:19:43.95
Does it start
with an S or an A...
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Because some people
could have an anxiety attack
00:19:46.25\00:19:49.82
because, you know, I
gotta run in my stocking,
00:19:49.85\00:19:52.52
the right shoe
with the right dress
00:19:52.55\00:19:53.99
and the right
suit, that can become...
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Well, I'm just
not going to church.
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Then it becomes stress.
00:19:58.06\00:19:59.39
Okay, I got you.
00:19:59.43\00:20:00.76
Because that's my
only option I don't...
00:20:00.80\00:20:02.96
That was the only pair
of shoes I wanted to wear
00:20:03.00\00:20:04.70
with that outfit,
so I'm not going now.
00:20:04.73\00:20:07.87
So the anxiety
shifted to the stress level.
00:20:07.90\00:20:11.34
And then when someone
comes back in the house,
00:20:11.37\00:20:13.27
what's wrong with you?
00:20:13.31\00:20:14.64
There's nothing
wrong with me. Yeah.
00:20:14.68\00:20:16.51
And it was just, just
get another pair of shoes.
00:20:16.54\00:20:18.91
Well, that's the
pair I wanted to wear.
00:20:18.95\00:20:20.82
Well, you gonna let a
pair of shoes don't...
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Don't say anything to me.
00:20:22.78\00:20:24.12
Now we're in a
stress zone. Yeah.
00:20:24.15\00:20:25.62
All right, I give you
one more example, okay.
00:20:25.65\00:20:28.99
You go to wash dishes,
00:20:29.02\00:20:30.56
you got to wash your clothes
and there's no detergent.
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That would be... I'd be...
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That's a frustrating
thing, so I would say stress.
00:20:37.47\00:20:40.24
That is stress. Yeah.
00:20:40.27\00:20:41.90
Because you want to
eliminate the process.
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Yes.
00:20:44.67\00:20:46.01
And you go and you
told the last person
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over and over again,
00:20:47.41\00:20:48.74
if you wash and
we're running low,
00:20:48.78\00:20:50.35
you know, or
write yourself a note.
00:20:50.38\00:20:51.91
Yeah.
00:20:51.95\00:20:53.28
So therefore, that
would be stress, all right.
00:20:53.31\00:20:55.28
Okay, I'll give
you an example. Oh-oh.
00:20:55.32\00:20:57.19
Okay, let's flip it.
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Okay. Okay.
00:20:58.82\00:21:00.16
You go to the refrigerator
00:21:00.19\00:21:01.96
and there is just a
little corner of orange juice
00:21:01.99\00:21:04.96
left in the container,
00:21:04.99\00:21:06.33
is that stress
or is that anxiety?
00:21:06.36\00:21:08.83
That was Arthur all the time?
00:21:08.86\00:21:12.10
I had so much
stress with him about that.
00:21:12.13\00:21:15.60
Why can't you just.
00:21:15.64\00:21:16.97
Well, you know, the bottom of it
00:21:17.01\00:21:18.44
has all that
good sugar down there,
00:21:18.47\00:21:20.51
or, you know, we'll just
make some more and pour in
00:21:20.54\00:21:22.68
and I would say, "No,
you have to rinse it out."
00:21:22.71\00:21:24.88
So that caused me stress.
00:21:24.91\00:21:26.92
Someone else it
could be an anxiety attack,
00:21:26.95\00:21:29.82
because dealing with
their family origin...
00:21:29.85\00:21:32.29
You know, they may
have gotten spanked
00:21:32.32\00:21:34.56
because, you know,
00:21:34.59\00:21:35.92
didn't I tell you
take that picture out.
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Why would you do that?
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Why would you do it that way?
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Yes. Okay.
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Yes. You know.
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So it sounds like, you know,
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and when you're having
these counseling sessions,
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you have to really
take a customized approach
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because even though
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somebody can be dealing
with the same problem per se,
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whether it's
anxiety, or depression,
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or suicidal
tendencies or ideations,
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or you know,
whatever the case may be,
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it's each on an
individual basis,
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because there's
different triggers, there's...
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Because your
triggers are not my triggers.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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You know, I'm driving in traffic
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that may be a trigger for you
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and then it starts road rage
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and you're ready to
run somebody off the road.
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Going to a
supermarket going to a cleaners,
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and you know, your
clothes are not ready.
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Yeah. Okay. I'll
come back tomorrow.
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So we handle it all differently.
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Got you.
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And I want to
shift gears a little bit
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in the essence of time,
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we're running a little
bit, a little bit low now.
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All right.
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What is Live to Be Well?
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What does that mean to you?
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Live to Be Well is a program
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that was birthed out
of the loss of my husband.
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I wanted to let everything
go, walk away from everything.
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Yeah.
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Because we had
been a team for so long.
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Yes.
00:22:52.63\00:22:53.97
You see one, you see the other,
except for the golf course.
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Yeah.
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And so one day I was
talking to El Rogers,
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a good friend of mine,
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a gentleman that I
attend a sister church with.
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Okay.
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And he was doing some
work for me and he said,
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"Well, what are we doing?"
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I said, "We're not
doing anything else,
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take the website
down, take everything down,
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I am done."
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And he said, "What do you do?"
00:23:15.36\00:23:16.69
I said, "Just do
what I asked you to do.
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You've been my marketing
director over 20 years,
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please just do this."
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He said, "Kim,
this is not God's will."
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Then, he asked
the question again,
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"What are you trying to do?"
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And I said, "I'm just
trying to live to be well."
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Yes.
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And Live to Be Well was
birth and at that moment,
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he said, "That's it.
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We're going to
change everything."
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He went on the
website Live to Be Well,
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business cards, brochures.
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It was one of the
hardest thing I ever had to do
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is take Arthur
off the brochures,
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off the business cards.
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His name have to
come off the website,
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everything was now just Dr. Kim.
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Yeah.
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Live to Be Well means exactly
that to be well in your living,
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to be well in your actions,
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holding yourself accountable
for your choices in life
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and where you are in your life.
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And if you're not living well,
then you can't live to be well.
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And so the
components of Live to Be Well,
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is it what mental, spiritual...
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Yes,
psychological, it is social,
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but most of all spiritual.
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And it's so important
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that we bring
everything together,
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because if one is impacted,
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it's gonna
impact the other four.
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You ever heard
that one bad apple
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don't spoil the bunch.
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Well, if your
psychological is off balance,
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it's going to impact
your social, your mental,
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your physical,
and your spiritual.
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If your
spiritual is off balance,
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it's going to
impact all the other four,
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so and your finances.
00:24:47.28\00:24:48.62
Yeah.
00:24:48.65\00:24:49.98
You know, so you want
to bring those all together
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to build that
hierarchy of balance.
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Got you.
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And that's what Live to
Be Well is about balance.
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Yes, yes.
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Now you know, from the
outside looking in you wonder,
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do you implement
the tips and strategies
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that you give to others
00:25:07.20\00:25:08.54
when they're going
through things in your own life?
00:25:08.57\00:25:12.01
Sometimes, because you
know, you get hard at it.
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You know,
physician heal thyself.
00:25:15.91\00:25:18.08
My daughter and I
are in counseling now.
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Okay.
00:25:19.78\00:25:21.12
And we are
learning to understand
00:25:21.15\00:25:25.22
what we've been going through.
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And I'm learning to listen.
00:25:26.89\00:25:28.22
I don't walk in as
Dr. Kim Logan-Nowlin,
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the therapist, I
walk in as her mother,
00:25:30.46\00:25:32.56
and her support system.
00:25:32.59\00:25:34.56
And now I'm learning
how to listen lot more.
00:25:34.60\00:25:38.83
I'm trying to get more
rest, drinking more water.
00:25:38.87\00:25:42.20
Karen makes sure I
get a lot of water.
00:25:42.24\00:25:44.71
Nice. Take time to eat.
00:25:44.74\00:25:47.01
She says, "Why
are you in that office
00:25:47.04\00:25:48.44
at 11 o'clock at night?
00:25:48.48\00:25:49.81
That's not healthy."
00:25:49.84\00:25:51.18
And she'd say,
"Go home, go home."
00:25:51.21\00:25:53.62
So I'm hearing
what Karen is saying,
00:25:53.65\00:25:56.69
because she doesn't
want to have to bury me.
00:25:56.72\00:25:58.65
Yeah.
00:25:58.69\00:26:00.02
She doesn't
want to come in here.
00:26:00.06\00:26:01.39
Can you imagine
her walk in this office
00:26:01.42\00:26:02.96
and I'm laid out on this floor?
00:26:02.99\00:26:04.69
I don't want to imagine that.
00:26:04.73\00:26:06.06
I don't want to
imagine that. Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:06.09\00:26:07.43
Because I've
stressed myself so much
00:26:07.46\00:26:09.96
to meet the
needs of so many people
00:26:10.00\00:26:12.23
that I've had a heart attack.
00:26:12.27\00:26:13.60
Yeah.
00:26:13.64\00:26:14.97
So I've got to
have balance in my life
00:26:15.00\00:26:16.37
and I've got to listen to those
00:26:16.40\00:26:17.77
who are pouring
into me like your mother,
00:26:17.81\00:26:20.14
she's poured into me,
you know, go home and rest.
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And put your feet
up, go have a spa day.
00:26:23.95\00:26:26.95
Yes.
00:26:26.98\00:26:28.32
And learn how
to live to be well.
00:26:28.35\00:26:29.92
Yes, absolutely, absolutely.
00:26:29.95\00:26:32.09
And I think that's
important for people to realize
00:26:32.12\00:26:34.36
is that you're not
immune to going through things.
00:26:34.39\00:26:36.69
That's right.
00:26:36.73\00:26:38.06
You know, we all have things
00:26:38.09\00:26:39.43
that we go
through and experience.
00:26:39.46\00:26:41.36
Yes.
00:26:41.40\00:26:42.73
And it is life and, you know,
00:26:42.76\00:26:44.10
but praise the Lord
that we have the one
00:26:44.13\00:26:47.00
that we can go to,
which is Jesus Christ.
00:26:47.04\00:26:48.37
Yes. Yes.
00:26:48.40\00:26:49.74
We have professional
help, such as you, Dr. Kim.
00:26:49.77\00:26:51.74
Thank you. Thank you.
00:26:51.77\00:26:53.11
And all of that, and I
want to thank you for coming on
00:26:53.14\00:26:55.38
and sharing your
strategies and your tips,
00:26:55.41\00:26:57.58
and your counseling sessions.
00:26:57.61\00:26:59.01
I appreciate
you, Jason. Thank you.
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God bless you. God bless you.
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Thank you.
00:27:01.88\00:27:05.49
We had a great time recording
Live to Be Well in Detroit.
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Each guest really opened up
00:27:09.09\00:27:10.86
as they shared about
their powerful journey
00:27:10.89\00:27:13.26
and how their faith
played a very important role
00:27:13.29\00:27:15.73
in getting them through
some very difficult times.
00:27:15.76\00:27:18.50
In some cases, there
were tears that were shed,
00:27:18.53\00:27:21.30
and in other
cases, there was laughter.
00:27:21.34\00:27:23.61
And perhaps you
may be struggling
00:27:23.64\00:27:25.57
with something right now,
00:27:25.61\00:27:26.94
whether it's stress or
anxiety, domestic abuse,
00:27:26.98\00:27:30.25
loneliness, or
suicidal ideations,
00:27:30.28\00:27:32.85
whatever you are going through,
00:27:32.88\00:27:34.48
know that you
can give it to Jesus.
00:27:34.52\00:27:37.19
The Bible tells us,
"For God so loved the world,
00:27:37.22\00:27:39.62
that He gave His
only begotten Son,
00:27:39.65\00:27:42.16
that whosoever believeth
in Him should not perish,
00:27:42.19\00:27:45.56
but have everlasting life."
00:27:45.59\00:27:47.53
Make the decision
to trust in God today.
00:27:47.56\00:27:51.73
You won't regret
it, I guarantee that.
00:27:51.77\00:27:54.40
Well, we've reached
the end of another program,
00:27:54.44\00:27:57.21
thanks for tuning in.
00:27:57.24\00:27:58.87
Join us next time and remember,
00:27:58.91\00:28:00.44
it just wouldn't be
the same without you.
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