Stay tuned to find out
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why a former
practitioner of acupuncture
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left her practice
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which had
provided 95% of her income.
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My name is Jason Bradley,
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is no stranger
to the Dare to Dream Network.
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In fact, she is the
founder and consultant
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for Dare to Dream.
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She's also a retired
diplomat of Oriental Medicine,
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as well as a doctor
of naturopathic medicine,
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but my favorite
title for her is my mom.
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Welcome to Urban Report, Mom.
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Thank you, Jay.
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It's good to have you here.
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Of course, you've
been on Urban Report,
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you host this
program a lot of times.
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Yeah.
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And now you're
sitting in the guest seat.
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I know it's a little
weird to be on this side.
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You know what I mean like,
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usually, I'm on that
side or with you on that side
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and now, I'm
sitting over here by myself.
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Well, I am not too far away.
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And that's right. That's right.
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So what made you
decide to come on
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and do this program today?
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You know, Jay, ever
since I came to 3ABN
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and talked about my journey
with acupuncture and all that,
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several people have
called in, they've asked,
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should I go to an acupuncturist?
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And or is there
anything wrong with it?
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What's wrong with it?
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And I feel like God
has been moving on me
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to really explain
what's wrong with it.
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And I think that He allowed
me to learn from the inside,
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you know, to take the classes
and learn what it's all about
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so that I could share it
and use this platform to do so.
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So we can reach a lot of people
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and explain just
what is wrong with it.
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Why, you know, why
there are issues with it.
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And so, that's why I
decided to do this program
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because I think
there's so many people
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who need to know,
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and also out of love
for my other practitioners
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who were Christian.
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I haven't really
talked to them about it.
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And I really think
that using this platform
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to share this information
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will be
enlightening to them as well.
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So I'm doing this
in love and concern,
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and the desire to share
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what is really behind
traditional Chinese medicine.
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Okay.
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Now in the beginning, we alluded
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or I alluded to the fact that
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you gave up your practice
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that made up 95% of your income.
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Yes.
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Why?
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You know, Jay...
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I guess when you
get to be my age,
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you have seen
how God has led you.
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And if God lets you know that
you're supposed to do something
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or not supposed to do something,
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then you also know
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that He's going
to provide for you.
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So when I
realized what I was doing
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as far as the
acupuncture was concerned
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and, you know,
we'll explain that later.
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But when I realized
that God was telling me
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to come out of it,
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then I knew that He
was gonna take care of me
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because all along
throughout my whole life,
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He's taken care of me.
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Whenever there's been
any situation, anything,
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any need, God
has always provided.
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So I knew that based
on my history with God,
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that He was gonna
come through again.
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So yes, it was a big move
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because it was 95% of my income.
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But I also knew that
if I didn't obey Him,
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that I could lose my salvation
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because I would be
in willful disobedience.
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I knew He was
telling me to come out of it,
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and so that's what I did.
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And He gave me anything,
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any good thing in
us comes from Him,
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so He gave me the
strength to come out of it.
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So I'll just praise Him for that
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'cause I ended up
being here anyway.
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Yeah. Yes, yes.
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So that was a blessing. Yes.
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Now I've known
you my whole life.
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Of course.
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And you have been
a lifetime student,
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lifetime student.
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I mean, every
time I turned around
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you were in school
for something else.
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I know.
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I wouldn't be surprised if
you got back in the school.
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Oh, my goodness.
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How did you get involved
with alternative medicine?
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Well,
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okay, so I was
singing professionally
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and I had sung
at a camp meeting.
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And a lady just walked up to me,
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and she gave me
a little booklet.
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And she said, "I just feel
impressed to give this to you."
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So she gave me the booklet.
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And I said, "Thank you."
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You know, people give
you things all the time,
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so I said, "Thank you so much."
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And I took it home and I,
actually I put in a drawer,
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I don't even look at it really.
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And then several
months, it was months later,
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and I open that drawer
and I saw this booklet,
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and it was on
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the "Deleterious
Effects of Sugar on the Body."
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And...
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Well, this sounds like
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how you got into
alternative ingredients
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'cause we used to go to
the store and you would pay.
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I knew that if you
picked up a box of cereal,
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or if you picked up
any anything that I wanted
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to take home and eat,
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you're going to put it
back and find an alternative.
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I know 'cause I was
reading the ingredients, right?
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Yes, yes.
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Always read the ingredients,
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so you know what you're getting.
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So this booklet had
information about sugar,
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and what it does to the body.
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And I thought, wow!
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And I just began to read so,
you know, how I love to read.
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So I just began to study
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and it's like the
Lord put this passion
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for natural
health into my being.
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And so I studied it, and
then I began to take class,
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you know, like
being in school...
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Yeah.
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And so I started taking classes.
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So I ended up...
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I took naturopathic medicine.
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Of course, I took...
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I became a massage
therapist, I studied Iridology,
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a lot of new
age kinds of things,
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but it was a gradual thing.
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Massage therapy, aromatherapy...
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Reflexology.
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Reflexology, Iridology.
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And I became certified
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in a lot of these
different modalities.
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And it's interesting because
there were some modalities
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that I recognized
right off the bat.
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Well, stay away from
that, because like Reiki.
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Reiki is a...
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It's a modality that you should
not go near, it's spiritualism.
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What is it?
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Reiki is a form of massage.
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So the therapist,
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actually, they go
through a training,
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and at the end of the training,
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there's a ceremony
called the attunement,
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in which the
trainer kind of says,
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this kind of chant over people.
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And I've actually
heard Reiki practitioners say
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they felt
something come into them...
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Wow!
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At the
attunement, after ceremony,
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at the end of their
training and they are...
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It's supposed to
be a healing thing
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where the energy,
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the healing energy
comes into the hands,
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and the hands are very hot.
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And you also don't even have
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to necessarily touch the client.
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Your hands can
just go over them.
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And the energy is
transferred from you to them.
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Well, when I
heard that I was like...
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Yeah. No...
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That's even
dreadful. No, I think that's...
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Yeah, that's a red flag,
I'm not gonna deal with that.
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But there are things
like massage therapy is fine.
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But then when you get off
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into some of these
alternative modalities
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that are part of
them, like you use massage.
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In Reiki you use massage,
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but it's got this whole
spiritualistic aspect to it.
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So I didn't deal
with that at all.
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But there were other things
that I did do that I thought,
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well, okay
because one of the things
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that Satan does
is just gives you,
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just a little bit,
everything else is fine.
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But there might just
be a little something
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that you kind of think...
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No, no, about that, but
everything else is fine.
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You have to be really careful.
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You know, 1
Timothy 4, let me read this
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'cause this is what,
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this is from the
English Standard Version.
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And it says, "Now
the Spirit expressly says
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that in later times some
will depart from the faith
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by devoting
themselves to deceitful spirits
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and teachings of demons."
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And that's what
is happening now.
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We're getting as a church.
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Many members of the churches
are going to acupuncturists,
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are going to take yoga.
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They have no idea that
yoga is connected to Hinduism,
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you can't separate
yoga from Hinduism.
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So these are some of the things
that you have to be aware of
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because Satan is
coming in the back door.
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Yeah. He's good at that.
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Yeah. He comes in the back door.
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And it seems like it's
fun, it's just stretching.
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Yeah, that's what
I hear people say.
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Right. It's just stretching.
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He said, "No."
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It's stretching,
breathing, meditation.
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And it's not
meditation on the word.
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It's emptying your mind.
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But that's another
whole different subject.
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These are the ways
that the enemy is using
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to get in to hurt people.
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Did you have any
red flags about TCM
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or Traditional Chinese Medicine?
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I did. I did...
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Okay, so when I
first went to the school,
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it was a Dallas
College of Oriental Medicine.
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And when I first went
there for the open house,
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the gentleman who was
conducting the open house
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said that he was just
talking about acupuncture,
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Chinese medicine
and also I asked him,
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"Is this connected
to Eastern religion?"
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Because I knew
that if he said yes,
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that I couldn't do it.
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You know, in other words,
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you have to be a practitioner
of Eastern medicine to do this,
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that's what I was thinking.
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So he said, "No.
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No."
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There are some
elements of Taoism in it.
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Taoism, it's TAI,
but it's pronounced D,
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so it's Taoism.
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So Taoism is central
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to TSM...
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Oh, to TCM.
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But it was like when
he was talking about it,
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it was as though it wasn't
really that much a part of it.
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So I thought, okay.
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So that should have
been red flag number one
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at the open house.
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It's got elements of
another religion in it.
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But I thought, well,
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if you don't have to be
that religion in order to do it,
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then I'll do it
because I really wanted to
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have some clinical experience.
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And that's why I went into that
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because I was gonna
get clinical supervision,
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and experience in
that kind of thing,
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so that's why I
decided to do that.
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So that was red flag
number one, then also,
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I took a class called J ngzuo.
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And with JA ngzuA  you
just kind of put your hand
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under certain points
on the client's body,
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and you can just sit there,
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but things get released in them.
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And in the book, the
book, the forward of the book
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said that the
information in this book
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was given to the
author by a spirit guide.
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Wow.
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So I said a spirit guide.
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Oh, no, no, no, no, no.
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So I went to the
head of the school
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and I said, "I'm a Christian.
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This was given
by a spirit guide."
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So somehow he...
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He rationalized... Yeah.
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And reasoned his way out.
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Exactly, and I wanted that
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because I really
didn't wanna like stop it.
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Yeah.
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But I knew that I
couldn't just keep up
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with that old
spirit guide thing.
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So that's another thing.
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You know, we have to be willing,
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and I'm talking about me.
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We have to be willing,
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as God is
letting us know things.
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We have to be willing to
walk away from those things.
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It's for our own good.
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So yeah, those
were two other signs,
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but the first thing that...
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Well, I'll tell you about that,
I'll tell you about that later
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because there are
spiritualism involved too.
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But those were the first signs
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that some of the first signs of,
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you know, red flags that
I really should take a look
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at what I'm doing.
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There's also a
point called the Shen Men,
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why don't you talk
about what that means?
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Okay, so this is the point,
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called the Shen Men.
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And when I would
needle that point,
00:14:22.69\00:14:27.10
people on my table...
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This is after I
went through school
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and got board certified,
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and all that, I was practicing.
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I practiced for
about four or five years,
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acupuncture.
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And I would do a
particular protocol
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and people who
would come in with stress.
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And you just, you know,
00:14:47.12\00:14:49.38
put the needles
and put nice music,
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I even prayed over
my patients to the Lord
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which is just now in retrospect,
00:14:53.72\00:14:55.86
I'm like, what
in the world, Lord,
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but, oh, Lord is so merciful.
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But anyway, I even
prayed over patients.
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Because I was thinking
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that I am not
practicing Eastern religion,
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I am a Christian.
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And so I'm just asking the
Lord to help this treatment
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or whatever, which
little bit wonky right now.
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So they would lie on the table
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and I would do
this particular protocol
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with the needles.
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And when I come back,
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like they could come
in super stressed out
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and just like, and
when I would come back,
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they would be relaxed,
they'd say that they saw,
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sometimes they would
see a pattern of colors
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going in a pattern around them
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or they would kind of sense
the energy moving and flowing.
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Now... Yeah, that's weird.
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That sounds like LSD or
something, that is strange.
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Well, you know, really,
I should have known better.
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I should have known better.
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But again, you know, you
close your eyes to things,
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so I was thinking,
well, this is just energy.
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You know, this is energy
moving and people are relaxed
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and so that's great.
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But, you know,
it was just totally,
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I was just so totally off base.
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And I'm just so
thankful that God showed me
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what it was about.
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So the Shen Men
is the spirit gate.
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That's what it means. Wow!
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Spirit gate.
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Now what's the gate?
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An entrance.
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And an exit.
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And yes, yeah.
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So things can come
in, and things can go out.
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So what would you say
to, you know, people at home
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because I often hear this too.
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Well, it works,
though, it works.
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What would you
say to that person?
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You know, I once
said that myself.
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I said that to a
friend of mine, who was,
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who is a physician,
a really dear friend,
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and he was trying to let me know
00:16:58.11\00:17:00.88
that acupuncture was not the way
00:17:00.95\00:17:03.52
to go as a Christian.
00:17:03.55\00:17:04.89
And he said, "I
don't doubt that it works.
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But what's the power behind it?"
00:17:08.26\00:17:10.89
You remember when
Moses was going to Pharaoh,
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and he threw his rod
down and it became a snake?
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Yep.
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And the magicians
did the same thing.
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You know, there
are certain things
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that Satan can do.
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But Moses, the
power behind Moses was,
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of course God,
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and the power behind the
magician's was the enemy.
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So He can mimic certain
things, He can make you think
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that his way is working,
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but what is the power behind it?
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That's what you
have to ask yourself.
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So you left your practice,
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you ended up
going to 3ABN, right?
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Or did you still
have your practice
00:18:01.18\00:18:03.04
while you went to
3ABN and did an interview?
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Well, no.
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I stopped my practice
before I came to 3ABN.
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I stopped
practicing acupuncture in 2009.
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Once I knew what it was,
00:18:16.69\00:18:18.69
and I need to
tell you what it is,
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just what's wrong with it?
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Yes.
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There are two things
that you have to think about
00:18:24.30\00:18:26.33
when you're thinking
about dealing with acupuncture.
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The first is, Taoism.
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It's based on Taoism,
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which is a pantheistic religion.
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Taoism believes
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that everything flows in nature,
00:18:40.85\00:18:44.69
everything flows
because of the Taoi.
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The Taoi is the
origin of the universe,
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and it keeps things in order.
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It's the way, that's the Taoi.
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There's no omnipotent
being that is in the heavens
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according to Taoism.
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And it has
elements of spiritualism.
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Man can become immortal,
man can become deity, you know?
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And so, those are
some of the things
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that you have to
look at the root.
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What's the root of acupuncture
00:19:18.05\00:19:20.69
and Traditional
Chinese Medicine?
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Taoism?
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And Taoism is an
old Eastern religion,
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it's like over 2,500 years old,
00:19:27.46\00:19:29.83
and its focus
00:19:29.86\00:19:35.84
is on balance.
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So everything
should be in balance.
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Like yang and...
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The yin yang. Yin and yang?
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Yin and Yang.
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We actually have...
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Yeah, we have a graphic of that.
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We do.
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And that's an important symbol.
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If you look at it
00:19:54.36\00:19:55.76
and that's one
of the main tenets
00:19:55.79\00:20:00.13
of Traditional Chinese Medicine,
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one of the
foundational principles
00:20:02.63\00:20:05.43
and beliefs in TCM is
the idea of yin and yang.
00:20:05.47\00:20:10.07
If you notice, there
is white in the black
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and black in the white.
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This signifies that
there is yin and yang,
00:20:16.75\00:20:21.35
and there's yang and yin.
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People say,
yang, do not say yang.
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It's yang.
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That's why I let
you go and say...
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It's yin and yang.
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They are...
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The idea is that
there's harmony and opposites.
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They're actually
not so much opposite,
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as complimentary
and interdependent.
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So there's heat and
cold, there's night and day,
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there's good and evil.
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Now let's just look at that.
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Night turns into day.
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So they're kind of,
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they kind of
roll into each other.
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You balance heat and cold.
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Too much cold out of balance,
too much heat out of balance,
00:21:03.83\00:21:07.60
but good and evil.
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Is there evil in God?
00:21:09.30\00:21:12.60
No. None.
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Right. Yeah.
00:21:14.04\00:21:15.37
And that scripture.
00:21:15.40\00:21:16.74
Let's look at that scripture
because it's in 1 John.
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I have it.
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I think we see just
00:21:23.45\00:21:26.28
'cause I really
want to share that.
00:21:26.31\00:21:27.65
That's amazing how the Bible
provides so much information
00:21:27.68\00:21:33.56
that applies to today.
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Is it 1 John 1:5?
00:21:35.19\00:21:37.03
It is. Okay.
00:21:37.09\00:21:38.43
It is. Thank you.
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"This is the message
which we have heard from Him
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and declare to you,
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that God is light and in
Him is no darkness at all."
00:21:45.47\00:21:51.41
This really
contradicts yin and yang.
00:21:51.44\00:21:55.48
Yeah.
00:21:55.51\00:21:56.88
Because there's no evil in
God, there's no darkness in God.
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In Him is light.
00:22:01.38\00:22:03.82
He is perfection, right?
00:22:03.89\00:22:06.96
So there is that.
00:22:06.99\00:22:08.32
So that's one thing.
00:22:08.36\00:22:10.33
The other thing,
00:22:10.36\00:22:12.39
the other
negative thing with TCM
00:22:12.43\00:22:16.13
and what's going on
with that is astrology.
00:22:16.16\00:22:21.34
I never knew
00:22:21.37\00:22:23.47
that there were
astrological relationships
00:22:23.51\00:22:29.41
in acupuncture,
00:22:29.44\00:22:31.38
I just didn't in the TCM,
Traditional Chinese Medicine,
00:22:31.41\00:22:34.82
I just didn't put
two and two together.
00:22:34.85\00:22:36.95
So when you talk about,
00:22:36.99\00:22:40.72
and I have another
graphic that I want to share it,
00:22:40.76\00:22:44.63
so it's the Five Element chart.
00:22:44.66\00:22:46.96
The five
elements, and yin and yang
00:22:47.00\00:22:49.76
are the basis of TCM theory.
00:22:49.80\00:22:53.97
The five elements
and if you look at it,
00:22:54.00\00:22:56.64
it's wood, fire,
earth, metal, and water,
00:22:56.67\00:23:01.54
those are the five elements.
00:23:01.58\00:23:03.24
Well, that just
sounds like we know,
00:23:03.28\00:23:06.18
there's nothing to
really think about,
00:23:06.21\00:23:08.38
but it's related to the planets,
00:23:08.42\00:23:12.49
so each of those
elements has a planet.
00:23:12.52\00:23:15.39
So water, has
mercury, wood has Jupiter,
00:23:15.42\00:23:20.80
fire has Mars, Earth has Saturn,
00:23:20.83\00:23:25.40
and metal, Venus.
00:23:25.43\00:23:27.40
So these five elements
00:23:27.44\00:23:29.87
represent five
different qualities
00:23:29.90\00:23:32.64
of natural phenomena.
00:23:32.67\00:23:34.24
So it's all
hooked into the planets,
00:23:34.28\00:23:38.45
the sun,
00:23:38.48\00:23:40.78
and let me go back to the way
00:23:40.82\00:23:44.95
the body is laid
out according to TCM.
00:23:44.99\00:23:48.42
So there are 12
primary meridians
00:23:48.46\00:23:52.53
through which your
body's vital energy
00:23:52.56\00:23:55.00
or chi passes through.
00:23:55.03\00:23:58.80
Okay, so that's sounds
like okay, I can do with that.
00:23:58.83\00:24:02.90
But, and there are
361 points basically,
00:24:02.94\00:24:07.61
in which these
meridians interconnect.
00:24:07.64\00:24:12.91
So there are 365
days in the year, right?
00:24:12.95\00:24:17.72
There are 12
houses of the zodiac.
00:24:17.75\00:24:21.82
So all of this...
00:24:21.86\00:24:24.13
So like zodiac signs
and all of that stuff.
00:24:24.16\00:24:26.43
So think about it earth signs,
00:24:26.46\00:24:29.26
water signs, fire signs.
00:24:29.30\00:24:32.87
That's interesting.
00:24:32.90\00:24:34.24
It's all connected
00:24:34.27\00:24:36.87
to this whole TCM model.
00:24:36.91\00:24:40.68
I was wondering why
when I was in school,
00:24:40.74\00:24:42.94
we had one of our professors
00:24:42.98\00:24:44.81
did astrological
charts for people.
00:24:44.85\00:24:47.98
And I wasn't
really thinking that...
00:24:48.02\00:24:52.15
Yeah, I just thought
that's just what he did.
00:24:52.19\00:24:53.72
I didn't know
whether that was connected.
00:24:53.76\00:24:55.62
They didn't teach it like that.
00:24:55.66\00:24:57.23
Had they taught it like
that, I would have left.
00:24:57.29\00:24:59.89
Yes.
00:24:59.96\00:25:01.33
But they really
didn't so I didn't know that.
00:25:01.36\00:25:04.47
But I want to
sum this up for you.
00:25:04.50\00:25:08.04
And I have to read
a statement from a...
00:25:08.07\00:25:12.07
It was an article online,
00:25:12.11\00:25:13.98
it was the thing
that really woke me up.
00:25:14.01\00:25:16.41
And after you read that
I want to let people know
00:25:16.44\00:25:18.28
how they can get this booklet.
00:25:18.31\00:25:19.85
Okay, okay. And
what's wrong with it.
00:25:19.88\00:25:21.22
Okay, great.
00:25:21.25\00:25:23.49
He says, "In some..."
00:25:23.52\00:25:25.59
This is the writer of
this article on astrology.
00:25:25.62\00:25:30.56
It's called Acupuncture,
Astrology with Needles.
00:25:30.63\00:25:33.80
So if you Google
that, you can find it,
00:25:33.83\00:25:35.96
the author says, "In
some there are 361 points,
00:25:36.00\00:25:40.54
the same as a number of
degrees in the sidereal day,
00:25:40.60\00:25:44.44
along 12 meridians,
the number of zodiacs
00:25:44.47\00:25:47.84
which are named after
the hour angle of the sun,
00:25:47.88\00:25:51.48
Tai Yang, Yang Ming,
00:25:51.51\00:25:53.42
these are terms that
describe the hour angle,
00:25:53.48\00:25:57.35
in which five points
are named after the planets,
00:25:57.39\00:26:00.69
water, wood, etcetera.
00:26:00.72\00:26:02.29
Those are the names
of the five planets.
00:26:02.32\00:26:04.49
Now, anyone that is
not woefully ignorant,
00:26:04.53\00:26:08.43
like most advocates of
traditional acupuncture
00:26:08.46\00:26:11.13
in the US will immediately see
00:26:11.17\00:26:13.44
that it was
modeled after astrology
00:26:13.47\00:26:16.30
and sun mythology.
00:26:16.34\00:26:18.64
And according to the
upper steam of as above,
00:26:18.67\00:26:22.31
so below, so just like
European bloodletting was,
00:26:22.34\00:26:26.82
Chinese
acupuncture could therefore be
00:26:26.85\00:26:29.28
accurately described
as astrology with needles.
00:26:29.32\00:26:33.76
Wow.
00:26:33.79\00:26:35.12
And that's why I left
00:26:35.16\00:26:37.13
and there's so much more
00:26:37.16\00:26:38.49
because astrology
is a form of divination
00:26:38.53\00:26:42.33
and divination is
expressly forbidden in the Word.
00:26:42.36\00:26:47.94
Let's see, I want to
share these scriptures
00:26:47.97\00:26:50.81
just so look up Isaiah 47:13-15
00:26:50.87\00:26:55.78
and Leviticus 19:26,
00:26:55.81\00:26:58.61
and Deuteronomy 18:9-13.
00:26:58.65\00:27:02.88
That Deuteronomy wants the
divination and soothsayers.
00:27:02.92\00:27:05.95
Exactly, exactly, we've
been forbidden to do this.
00:27:05.99\00:27:09.62
So...
00:27:09.66\00:27:10.99
Yeah, you see a lot of
people checking in their signs,
00:27:11.03\00:27:13.23
their zodiac signs and all that,
00:27:13.26\00:27:15.26
like fortune tellers.
00:27:15.30\00:27:16.77
Exactly.
00:27:16.80\00:27:18.13
That was one of the
things that I used to do
00:27:18.17\00:27:20.64
when I was out of the church.
00:27:20.67\00:27:22.00
I used to read a
lot about astrology
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and all that zodiacs.
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Yes, yes, well, praise the
Lord for coming into new light.
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Amen. And thank you, Jesus.
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Thank you so much for sharing.
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Thank you, Jay.
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And thank you for joining us.
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Well, we've reached
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Join us next time remember,
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