As a woman, 00:00:01.33\00:00:02.66 do you often feel as though your life 00:00:02.70\00:00:04.03 is on the clearance shelf? 00:00:04.07\00:00:05.40 Are you going through a trial 00:00:05.43\00:00:06.77 that has knocked you to your knees? 00:00:06.80\00:00:08.64 Well, stay tuned to meet a woman 00:00:08.67\00:00:10.27 who will let you know that, through Christ, 00:00:10.31\00:00:13.17 you're not on clearance. 00:00:13.21\00:00:15.18 My name is Yvonne Lewis- Shelton, 00:00:15.21\00:00:17.01 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:00:17.05\00:00:18.95 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report. 00:00:41.20\00:00:43.74 My guest today is Vivian Martin, 00:00:43.77\00:00:46.11 radio host and author of "You're NOT On Clearance." 00:00:46.14\00:00:49.78 Welcome to Urban Report, Vivian. 00:00:49.81\00:00:52.08 Thank you. 00:00:52.11\00:00:53.45 I'm so happy to be here, Yvonne. 00:00:53.48\00:00:54.88 We're so glad that you could come 00:00:54.92\00:00:56.92 and share this transformational program 00:00:56.95\00:01:00.76 that you have with us. 00:01:00.79\00:01:02.12 Yes. 00:01:02.16\00:01:03.49 There are so many women and men, 00:01:03.53\00:01:05.29 but your book specifically addresses women, correct? 00:01:05.33\00:01:09.23 It was written with women in mind. 00:01:09.26\00:01:12.27 But since the book has been published 00:01:12.30\00:01:14.97 and it has sold more than 600 copies, 00:01:15.00\00:01:17.87 it has gone to women and men alike. 00:01:17.91\00:01:20.74 Okay, good. 00:01:20.78\00:01:22.11 Because everybody goes through stuff. 00:01:22.14\00:01:23.55 Yes. 00:01:23.61\00:01:24.95 Everybody has trials in their journey, 00:01:24.98\00:01:28.72 so everybody needs some help. 00:01:28.75\00:01:31.45 Absolutely. 00:01:31.49\00:01:32.82 Tell us about your journey. 00:01:32.85\00:01:34.22 What made you write this book? 00:01:34.26\00:01:36.19 Well, at this time and during the time of the book writing, 00:01:36.22\00:01:41.66 I'm a wife, I'm a mother, I'm a daughter, 00:01:41.70\00:01:45.90 I am the fifth daughter 00:01:45.93\00:01:47.30 of six girls born to my parents, 00:01:47.37\00:01:50.74 just your normal working woman, 00:01:50.77\00:01:53.91 Seventh-day Adventist Christian woman, 00:01:53.94\00:01:56.91 I'm a speaker, 00:01:56.98\00:01:59.01 and I reached a point in my life 00:01:59.05\00:02:01.58 that I would call a major crisis. 00:02:01.62\00:02:05.99 I was having a very huge crisis in my marriage. 00:02:06.02\00:02:10.66 And at the time,0 00:02:10.73\00:02:12.16 I did not realize what God was doing 00:02:12.19\00:02:16.63 and what all He was taking me through? 00:02:16.67\00:02:19.93 I didn't even realize that I had reached a point 00:02:20.00\00:02:22.57 where I felt like I was on clearance. 00:02:22.60\00:02:25.41 I didn't even know that until the Holy Spirit 00:02:25.44\00:02:27.88 shared it with me. 00:02:27.91\00:02:29.64 So it was about 10 years later when I actually wrote the book, 00:02:29.68\00:02:35.78 after the Lord had brought me through and to another side. 00:02:35.82\00:02:40.42 I continued to be a speaker for Him. 00:02:40.46\00:02:42.66 And I could just see women in the audience 00:02:42.69\00:02:46.29 with pink stickers all on their faces, 00:02:46.33\00:02:49.83 just all type of pink stickers and labels 00:02:49.86\00:02:53.87 where they had labeled themselves 00:02:53.90\00:02:55.90 on clearance 00:02:55.94\00:02:57.47 or where other people had placed the labels on them 00:02:57.54\00:03:01.61 and they were accepting it. 00:03:01.64\00:03:03.78 They believed it. 00:03:03.85\00:03:05.91 So I said, "I remember being there, 00:03:05.95\00:03:08.45 and you're not on clearance." 00:03:08.48\00:03:09.82 Yes. 00:03:09.85\00:03:11.19 "You are bought with a price, girl." 00:03:11.22\00:03:12.89 So I was just trying to think of some way 00:03:12.92\00:03:15.19 that I could get that across to the ladies. 00:03:15.22\00:03:19.36 And you did in such a really refreshing way in the book. 00:03:19.39\00:03:23.43 As I was reading it, 00:03:23.47\00:03:24.83 you know, there were areas that made me smile and say, 00:03:24.87\00:03:28.30 "Wow, this is really refreshing, 00:03:28.34\00:03:30.61 different..." 00:03:30.67\00:03:32.64 Your different spin if I may. 00:03:32.67\00:03:34.91 Right. The approach, the approach. 00:03:34.94\00:03:36.71 Yeah, on things was really very interesting. 00:03:36.75\00:03:39.81 And I feel, you know, Holy Spirit led. 00:03:39.85\00:03:43.08 So let's talk about... 00:03:43.12\00:03:44.45 Let's talk about the book and let's start 00:03:44.49\00:03:46.86 with the first chapter of the book. 00:03:46.92\00:03:48.49 Yes, yes. 00:03:48.52\00:03:49.86 Tell us what that is and what it's about. 00:03:49.89\00:03:51.99 Okay. 00:03:52.03\00:03:53.36 Well, the title is the same as the first chapter, 00:03:53.40\00:03:56.63 "You're Not On Clearance." 00:03:56.70\00:03:59.17 It's making a point that you're not marked down, 00:03:59.20\00:04:04.37 you're not reduced. 00:04:04.41\00:04:06.37 On the first chapter in the book, 00:04:06.41\00:04:08.91 one of the things I've written is said, 00:04:08.94\00:04:10.85 "Clearance items are often torn, 00:04:10.88\00:04:13.52 marked down, scattered, expired. 00:04:13.55\00:04:17.72 They have missing parts, faded packaging, 00:04:17.75\00:04:21.02 and are no longer worth the original value." 00:04:21.06\00:04:24.23 And if you think about it, Yvonne, when we go in a store, 00:04:24.26\00:04:27.86 where do you find the clearance items? 00:04:27.86\00:04:30.67 They're in the back. Back. 00:04:30.73\00:04:32.57 They're in the back, they're in the dark, 00:04:32.60\00:04:35.27 they're hidden in the corner. 00:04:35.30\00:04:37.77 And sometimes, 00:04:37.81\00:04:39.14 the item has several stickers on it 00:04:39.17\00:04:41.64 where they keep marking it down. 00:04:41.68\00:04:43.31 Come on. 00:04:43.35\00:04:44.68 And so when you are going through that time in your life, 00:04:44.71\00:04:46.92 when you feel like, "I'm in the back. 00:04:46.98\00:04:49.42 I'm in the dark. 00:04:49.45\00:04:51.09 I'm in the corner," 00:04:51.12\00:04:53.25 and people are coming from every direction, 00:04:53.32\00:04:55.99 putting labels on you, that is where I was. 00:04:56.02\00:05:01.06 It was approximately almost 20 years ago, 00:05:01.10\00:05:05.20 I was approaching my 20th year of marriage. 00:05:05.23\00:05:07.77 And this is the time 00:05:07.80\00:05:09.14 where you're going to celebrate, 00:05:09.17\00:05:11.24 you know, it's 20 years, 00:05:11.27\00:05:12.61 we've done this, we've done that, 00:05:12.64\00:05:14.11 we got the house, we got the two kids, 00:05:14.18\00:05:15.91 we got the dog, everything, working in the church. 00:05:15.94\00:05:19.91 And all of a sudden, 00:05:19.95\00:05:21.28 I'm faced with the reality 00:05:21.32\00:05:25.79 of unfaithfulness, 00:05:25.82\00:05:28.09 of a huge amount of infidelity in my marriage 00:05:28.12\00:05:33.13 that had taken place for many years 00:05:33.16\00:05:36.40 and that resulted with many children. 00:05:36.43\00:05:40.00 So immediately, 00:05:40.04\00:05:43.30 you start getting all these labels put on you. 00:05:43.37\00:05:45.81 Everybody has a sticker, everybody has a reason. 00:05:45.84\00:05:48.68 People want to know, "What happened? 00:05:48.71\00:05:50.65 What did you miss? 00:05:50.71\00:05:52.05 Why did you do this? 00:05:52.08\00:05:53.42 You don't have to stay. 00:05:53.45\00:05:54.78 You don't have to go." 00:05:54.82\00:05:56.15 And so this first chapter is saying that, first of all, 00:05:56.18\00:05:59.79 you're not on clearance. 00:05:59.82\00:06:02.09 I don't care how bad it is, 00:06:02.12\00:06:04.09 I don't care what has happened to you, 00:06:04.16\00:06:06.26 if you feel betrayed, if you feel lost, 00:06:06.29\00:06:09.63 if you feel that God had a part in it, 00:06:09.66\00:06:13.64 on the back of my book, 00:06:13.67\00:06:16.34 there's one part where I say that, 00:06:16.37\00:06:18.14 "I felt that God had manipulatively failed me." 00:06:18.17\00:06:23.18 I felt, "God, where were you?" 00:06:23.21\00:06:26.01 I'm sending my children to church school. 00:06:26.05\00:06:28.82 You know, I'm doing the whole thing, 00:06:28.85\00:06:30.69 as we like to say, 00:06:30.72\00:06:32.75 and we really shouldn't do that. 00:06:32.79\00:06:34.16 We shouldn't put a list before God 00:06:34.19\00:06:36.39 because as one of my chapters bring out, 00:06:36.42\00:06:39.73 "Lose the Belly Fat," 00:06:39.76\00:06:41.80 it lets you know that God was there all the time. 00:06:41.83\00:06:44.03 That's right. 00:06:44.07\00:06:45.40 That's right. All the time. 00:06:45.43\00:06:46.77 And God didn't force... 00:06:46.80\00:06:48.14 He didn't make that situation happen. 00:06:48.17\00:06:49.74 Absolutely. 00:06:49.77\00:06:51.11 You know, it happened because, 00:06:51.14\00:06:53.54 you know, your spouse was led into... 00:06:53.58\00:06:57.41 Absolutely. 00:06:57.45\00:06:58.78 You know, led himself into it or whatever. 00:06:58.81\00:07:00.38 But God did not lead him into it because God would not, 00:07:00.45\00:07:04.32 you know, do evil or force us to do anything wrong. 00:07:04.35\00:07:08.56 Absolutely. 00:07:08.59\00:07:09.92 But when you're in the froze of that, that whole situation, 00:07:09.96\00:07:15.00 you feel so undervalued. 00:07:15.03\00:07:18.43 I felt that God couldn't use me anymore. 00:07:18.47\00:07:22.24 You know, I felt that my trial was so piercing and, 00:07:22.27\00:07:27.48 spiritually, 00:07:27.51\00:07:28.84 that it has separated me from His love. 00:07:28.88\00:07:32.25 So you actually looked at... 00:07:32.28\00:07:37.12 Your relationship with God was actually a reflection 00:07:37.19\00:07:41.56 of where your marriage was, it seems. 00:07:41.59\00:07:43.83 Yes, yes, at that time, because, somehow, 00:07:43.86\00:07:47.30 I was already a speaker. 00:07:47.40\00:07:48.83 So I used to do a lot of speaking, 00:07:48.86\00:07:50.83 advocating for the Lord, 00:07:50.87\00:07:52.60 being there for other women, 00:07:52.63\00:07:55.00 but I never thought I would be that woman, you know? 00:07:55.04\00:08:01.58 Somehow I felt that I would be protected 00:08:01.61\00:08:05.71 from just certain trials in this life. 00:08:05.75\00:08:09.38 And so when I was hit with that, I just felt like, 00:08:09.42\00:08:12.15 "Oh, my God, 00:08:12.19\00:08:13.69 I can't go out there speaking for You anymore, Lord. 00:08:13.72\00:08:17.16 I can't even get my own home together." 00:08:17.19\00:08:20.63 I felt like there was no hope for my children. 00:08:20.66\00:08:23.30 I'm raising these children, but for what? 00:08:23.37\00:08:26.74 They're not going to be protected 00:08:26.77\00:08:28.34 from the pains of this life. 00:08:28.37\00:08:30.64 So you had anger toward God... 00:08:30.71\00:08:32.67 Yes. 00:08:32.71\00:08:34.08 For your situation, blaming Him for the situation. 00:08:34.11\00:08:37.45 A part of it. Yes. 00:08:37.48\00:08:38.81 A part of it at first. Yeah. 00:08:38.85\00:08:40.32 And I understand now that that's just what happens 00:08:40.35\00:08:43.22 when you're going through trauma. 00:08:43.25\00:08:44.92 You know, the different stages, the anger, the guilt, 00:08:44.95\00:08:47.59 the confusion, all of those stages, 00:08:47.66\00:08:50.53 but until it happens to you, 00:08:50.56\00:08:52.49 you don't realize what's happening. 00:08:52.53\00:08:54.00 Right. 00:08:54.00\00:08:55.33 But it puts you in a place where you feel like, 00:08:55.36\00:08:57.33 "I'm on clearance. 00:08:57.37\00:08:58.70 I'm marked down. 00:08:58.73\00:09:00.17 I'm reduced. 00:09:00.20\00:09:01.84 For some reason, 00:09:01.87\00:09:03.20 God has counted me out 00:09:03.24\00:09:04.71 or my friends have counted me out." 00:09:04.74\00:09:07.14 And some women, 00:09:07.21\00:09:08.74 even shred just thinking that their husbands 00:09:08.78\00:09:10.78 have counted them out. 00:09:10.81\00:09:12.91 So what I want individuals to know 00:09:12.95\00:09:16.25 is that you're not on clearance. 00:09:16.28\00:09:17.62 Yes. 00:09:17.65\00:09:18.99 You are bought with a price. 00:09:19.02\00:09:21.12 Even and especially during difficult times, 00:09:21.16\00:09:24.53 you can have the favor of God. 00:09:24.56\00:09:26.19 Yes. 00:09:26.23\00:09:27.56 And this is why it says on the front of my book, 00:09:27.60\00:09:29.70 "Why the favor of God 00:09:29.73\00:09:31.67 is yours especially during difficult times." 00:09:31.70\00:09:37.04 How did you come to know 00:09:37.11\00:09:39.01 that the favor of God was on you? 00:09:39.04\00:09:40.91 By allowing the Holy Spirit to transform my mind. 00:09:44.55\00:09:48.82 And I would say that takes me to chapter three in the book, 00:09:48.85\00:09:52.85 it's called, "Beyond The Toner." 00:09:52.89\00:09:55.59 As you know, Yvonne, us ladies, we like to look beautiful, 00:09:55.62\00:09:58.86 and so we would easily do a facial cleansing, 00:09:58.89\00:10:01.90 cleanse your face 00:10:01.93\00:10:03.26 and then you put on your toner, and you're done. 00:10:03.33\00:10:06.30 So many times, in our Christian life, 00:10:06.33\00:10:08.10 that's what we do. 00:10:08.14\00:10:09.47 We just accept the initial cleansing, 00:10:09.50\00:10:11.41 we get baptized, we put on a little toner, 00:10:11.44\00:10:14.61 we learn the 27 or 28 beliefs 00:10:14.64\00:10:17.88 of the Seventh-day Adventist, and we're done. 00:10:17.91\00:10:21.05 I found out that I had to go beyond the toner. 00:10:21.08\00:10:24.39 Come on. 00:10:24.42\00:10:25.75 I really needed God to show me that You are God. 00:10:25.79\00:10:30.69 I need the Holy Spirit. 00:10:30.73\00:10:33.46 I said, "God, I need transformation," 00:10:33.50\00:10:35.30 because, doing all that, God was telling me to stay. 00:10:35.33\00:10:38.50 You needed for God to show you that He is God. 00:10:38.53\00:10:41.27 That He is God. 00:10:41.30\00:10:42.64 Yes. Yes. 00:10:42.67\00:10:44.04 And that He is my rock 00:10:44.07\00:10:45.81 because my whole foundation had fallen. 00:10:45.84\00:10:48.48 This is 19 years of marriage and 19 years of preaching. 00:10:48.51\00:10:54.95 So I had to go beyond the toner, 00:10:54.98\00:10:58.12 which means I needed to know the Holy Spirit 00:10:58.15\00:11:02.09 in the way that God wanted me to know. 00:11:02.12\00:11:04.86 I grew up as a Primitive Baptist. 00:11:04.89\00:11:07.50 I became an Adventist my senior year in college. 00:11:07.50\00:11:11.43 In the Baptist Church, 00:11:11.47\00:11:12.80 we used to sing this song about the Holy Spirit, 00:11:12.83\00:11:14.77 and it says, "He will do what no other power can do." 00:11:14.80\00:11:19.81 And that's what I needed God to do. 00:11:19.84\00:11:21.81 I said, "God, give me Your mind 00:11:21.84\00:11:25.18 because I don't have the mindset 00:11:25.21\00:11:27.08 that You don't have." 00:11:27.12\00:11:28.45 I don't have a loving mind, I didn't know how to forgive. 00:11:28.48\00:11:33.22 How do you even think of forgiving at that level, 00:11:33.25\00:11:39.23 especially when there are so many things 00:11:39.26\00:11:40.86 that are unanswered 00:11:40.90\00:11:42.20 and that you're never going to get answers to? 00:11:42.23\00:11:45.80 I didn't know how to stay. 00:11:45.83\00:11:48.47 There was no book that I could go and read. 00:11:48.50\00:11:52.07 I went looking for books but nothing talked about 00:11:52.11\00:11:55.88 my situation. 00:11:55.91\00:11:57.48 And I did not know 00:11:57.51\00:11:58.85 a Seventh-day Adventist Christian woman 00:11:58.88\00:12:02.62 whose husband had had outside children 00:12:02.65\00:12:06.79 and a long relationship, who had stayed... 00:12:06.86\00:12:10.03 You know, I just didn't know where are the steps. 00:12:10.06\00:12:12.06 Right. Right. 00:12:12.09\00:12:13.43 Like, what do we do. Right. 00:12:13.50\00:12:15.40 And so that also was a trial when people tried to console me 00:12:15.43\00:12:21.37 or tried to say, 00:12:21.40\00:12:22.74 "You need to do this and you need to do that." 00:12:22.77\00:12:24.61 I wanted an example. So I had to go beyond. 00:12:24.64\00:12:27.64 You wanted somebody who had been there. 00:12:27.68\00:12:29.74 That's what I wanted. Yeah. 00:12:29.78\00:12:31.15 And today, I still have not found that. 00:12:31.18\00:12:33.92 But I pray that my life and my story 00:12:33.98\00:12:36.52 and my book will say to that person, 00:12:36.55\00:12:39.79 be it a man or woman, 00:12:39.82\00:12:41.82 who is going through something very detrimental, 00:12:41.86\00:12:43.99 that you are not on clearance... 00:12:44.03\00:12:45.36 That's right. 00:12:45.39\00:12:46.73 That the favor of God can still be yours. 00:12:46.76\00:12:49.26 You have to understand, I thought God was leaving me. 00:12:49.30\00:12:52.83 I thought His favor was gone. 00:12:52.87\00:12:56.14 I thought there's no way 00:12:56.17\00:12:57.61 that you have chosen me and then, for a while, 00:12:57.64\00:13:02.14 I was comparing myself with that other person, 00:13:02.18\00:13:05.68 like you chose this person over me. 00:13:05.71\00:13:09.42 So there were so many stages, 00:13:09.45\00:13:11.35 but chapter three talks about that transformation. 00:13:11.39\00:13:15.66 See, we can have spiritual information, 00:13:15.69\00:13:19.09 spiritual education, but we need a transformation. 00:13:19.13\00:13:24.23 That's right. 00:13:24.27\00:13:25.60 And that's what I hope my book brings about. 00:13:25.63\00:13:27.30 I hope it gives a person a new way of thinking to know 00:13:27.34\00:13:33.01 that God loves you no matter what. 00:13:33.04\00:13:35.81 Yeah. 00:13:35.84\00:13:37.21 And if you allow Him, He will bring you through it, 00:13:37.25\00:13:40.68 and God did that for me and my husband. 00:13:40.72\00:13:44.25 We're married now going on 35 years. 00:13:44.29\00:13:46.52 Praise the Lord. 00:13:46.55\00:13:48.32 And it's ongoing stages. 00:13:48.36\00:13:50.49 It's always ongoing. 00:13:50.53\00:13:51.89 They're different layers, you know? 00:13:51.93\00:13:53.26 Yes. Yes. 00:13:53.29\00:13:54.73 And some of us, 00:13:54.76\00:13:56.10 because of the sin in our lives 00:13:56.13\00:13:58.53 that we allowed ourselves to get into, 00:13:58.57\00:14:01.77 for the rest of your life, there will be layers. 00:14:01.80\00:14:05.14 There will be different things that the Holy Spirit 00:14:05.17\00:14:07.28 will continuously peel back 00:14:07.31\00:14:09.41 and peel off of you so that you can make it. 00:14:09.44\00:14:12.58 But just note, you're not on clearance. 00:14:12.61\00:14:15.45 God will always be doing something new in your life. 00:14:15.48\00:14:18.92 That's right. 00:14:18.95\00:14:20.29 That's what I love. 00:14:20.36\00:14:21.69 I'm always challenging God. 00:14:21.72\00:14:23.06 I'm like, "God, let's do something new." 00:14:23.09\00:14:24.43 Yeah. 00:14:24.46\00:14:25.79 And He promises to do something new. 00:14:25.83\00:14:27.13 Yes. He does. 00:14:27.20\00:14:28.50 He promises to do something new. 00:14:28.53\00:14:29.86 This is, you know, 00:14:29.90\00:14:31.23 a new work in us 00:14:31.27\00:14:32.67 because He's constantly working on us. 00:14:32.70\00:14:35.27 Right. 00:14:35.30\00:14:36.67 And I was afraid of what God was going to do. 00:14:36.71\00:14:40.24 I felt like nobody can love pastors, 00:14:40.28\00:14:43.51 so I had that fear. 00:14:43.55\00:14:45.51 But chapter three talks about as I say, 00:14:45.55\00:14:47.65 Going Beyond the Toner, 00:14:47.68\00:14:49.38 and let's get the microdermabrasion cleanser 00:14:49.42\00:14:51.92 to go on on your face. 00:14:51.95\00:14:53.32 Let's put on that charcoal mask. 00:14:53.36\00:14:56.26 A deep cleaning. 00:14:56.29\00:14:57.76 Let the Spirit really get in there and deal 00:14:57.79\00:14:59.69 with those dead cells 00:14:59.73\00:15:01.86 and the roots of sin and the root of your pain. 00:15:01.90\00:15:06.84 I had such serious pain that even my counselor, 00:15:06.87\00:15:10.14 my therapist, and attorneys, 00:15:10.21\00:15:12.44 and the different layers of people 00:15:12.47\00:15:14.31 that had to come in and assist my family. 00:15:14.34\00:15:17.18 All of them said, 00:15:17.25\00:15:18.58 "We've never had a case like this." 00:15:18.61\00:15:22.38 So I needed God to go beyond the toner with me 00:15:22.42\00:15:26.12 and He did that. 00:15:26.15\00:15:27.49 So, 00:15:27.56\00:15:28.89 you know, I just want that person to know that, 00:15:28.92\00:15:31.13 "Don't give up on God. 00:15:31.16\00:15:33.33 Don't give up on God." 00:15:33.40\00:15:34.73 This is a very important point 00:15:34.73\00:15:36.06 because these kinds of situations 00:15:36.10\00:15:38.90 either pull you away from God... 00:15:38.93\00:15:40.80 Absolutely. 00:15:40.84\00:15:42.17 Or draw you to Him. Yes. 00:15:42.20\00:15:43.57 And what you're saying is that, for a while, 00:15:43.61\00:15:46.24 you had some confusion 00:15:46.27\00:15:47.84 about God's role in allowing this 00:15:47.88\00:15:51.08 to happen to you. 00:15:51.11\00:15:53.15 Yes. 00:15:53.18\00:15:54.52 Even to the point where you were thinking 00:15:54.55\00:15:55.98 that God had chosen the other person, 00:15:56.02\00:16:00.79 the other woman over you. 00:16:00.82\00:16:02.72 Absolutely. 00:16:02.76\00:16:04.09 And then you realized that, "No, actually, 00:16:04.16\00:16:07.66 that relationship was under a curse 00:16:07.66\00:16:10.17 because yours was sanctioned by God." 00:16:10.20\00:16:12.07 Yes. 00:16:12.10\00:16:13.44 And so, you know, 00:16:13.47\00:16:15.24 when you look at where you were, 00:16:15.27\00:16:18.44 you see that God brought you from that place of confusion 00:16:18.47\00:16:22.88 because He's not the author of confusion. 00:16:22.91\00:16:24.65 Absolutely. 00:16:24.68\00:16:26.01 Brought you from that place 00:16:26.05\00:16:27.52 into a place of harmony with Him. 00:16:27.55\00:16:30.99 And He creates triumph from tragedy. 00:16:31.02\00:16:35.69 Yes, He does. 00:16:35.72\00:16:37.13 He does that. 00:16:37.16\00:16:38.49 He brings you through when you're going through 00:16:38.53\00:16:41.00 the darkest time. 00:16:41.03\00:16:42.73 I've been through the darkest times too 00:16:42.76\00:16:45.70 over the course of my life. 00:16:45.73\00:16:47.10 And I know that each situation, in every situation, 00:16:47.14\00:16:51.91 God has brought me through. 00:16:51.94\00:16:53.58 He's a faithful God. 00:16:53.64\00:16:55.04 He will not let us down. 00:16:55.08\00:16:56.85 Even though, sometimes, 00:16:56.91\00:16:58.88 you're in that wilderness as you were. 00:16:58.91\00:17:00.38 That's right. 00:17:00.45\00:17:02.38 But God brought you through. Yes. 00:17:02.42\00:17:04.22 You're in that wilderness. 00:17:04.25\00:17:05.59 So go beyond the toner. Right. 00:17:05.62\00:17:07.32 Okay, what's next? 00:17:07.39\00:17:08.72 Go beyond the toner. Go beyond it. 00:17:08.76\00:17:10.09 Which means you are there allowing 00:17:10.13\00:17:12.56 the Holy Spirit to do what He wants to do. 00:17:12.59\00:17:13.93 That's right. That's right. 00:17:13.96\00:17:16.46 And trust me, God can do it. 00:17:16.50\00:17:18.23 That's right. 00:17:18.27\00:17:19.60 That's right. 00:17:19.63\00:17:20.97 Another chapter I would like to point out is chapter five. 00:17:21.00\00:17:23.51 It talks about "Loosing the belly fat." 00:17:23.54\00:17:25.47 Okay. 00:17:25.51\00:17:26.88 Once again, as I... I can relate. 00:17:26.91\00:17:28.74 Yes, as I wrote each chapter, I wanted women to relate. 00:17:28.78\00:17:32.35 Right. 00:17:32.38\00:17:33.72 And I know how we're always concerned 00:17:33.75\00:17:35.08 about our figure, our shape, you know, the belly fat. 00:17:35.12\00:17:36.45 Yes, yes. 00:17:36.48\00:17:38.29 But now that relates to men also. 00:17:38.32\00:17:40.59 You know, men go to the gym, they work out, 00:17:40.66\00:17:42.39 you know, they want all this buff... 00:17:42.42\00:17:43.76 Right. They want to trim, get those abs, that six pack. 00:17:43.83\00:17:45.86 Absolutely. 00:17:45.89\00:17:47.30 So this chapter is for both men and women. 00:17:47.30\00:17:50.63 But the belly fat is representative of the lies 00:17:50.67\00:17:54.44 of the devil because, 00:17:54.47\00:17:57.11 you know, you think about when you're expecting 00:17:57.17\00:17:59.64 and how the belly grows and the doctor is measuring it 00:17:59.67\00:18:02.98 and all of that. 00:18:03.01\00:18:04.51 But the promise is in Jeremiah 1:5, 00:18:04.55\00:18:07.45 where God says, 00:18:07.48\00:18:08.82 "Before I formed thee and placed thee in the belly, 00:18:08.85\00:18:13.09 I knew thee." 00:18:13.12\00:18:15.16 This verse became so critical to me 00:18:15.19\00:18:18.06 because I was basing God 00:18:18.09\00:18:20.53 and my relationship with Him on what happened 00:18:20.56\00:18:24.00 in this particular year, 00:18:24.07\00:18:25.40 in this particular age of my life. 00:18:25.43\00:18:27.70 But God reminded me 00:18:27.74\00:18:29.27 that "Before the belly, Vivian..." 00:18:29.30\00:18:33.61 It doesn't matter, the belly. 00:18:33.68\00:18:35.91 "Before the belly, before you were formed, 00:18:35.94\00:18:39.91 before I placed you in the belly, 00:18:39.95\00:18:42.25 I knew you, I ordained you, 00:18:42.28\00:18:45.39 I chose you for favor, girl, 00:18:45.42\00:18:47.49 how dare that you let this 00:18:47.56\00:18:50.66 determine My feelings for you?" 00:18:50.73\00:18:53.16 Yeah. 00:18:53.19\00:18:54.50 And so I called that loosing the belly fat 00:18:54.56\00:18:56.73 because when you're going through a trial 00:18:56.77\00:18:59.80 and you're weighing God versus Satan, 00:18:59.83\00:19:02.90 Satan is there lying to you. 00:19:02.94\00:19:05.11 He's telling you lies. 00:19:05.14\00:19:06.71 He's telling you all the reasons 00:19:06.74\00:19:08.28 why you aren't favored, 00:19:08.31\00:19:10.21 all the reasons why God won't pull your family up 00:19:10.28\00:19:13.45 and give you a new start. 00:19:13.48\00:19:15.68 And you have to resist those lies. 00:19:15.72\00:19:18.52 Those lies are just like fat lying around your belly. 00:19:18.55\00:19:21.79 So that's why I call it "Lose the Belly Fat." 00:19:21.82\00:19:24.59 Here are some things that women believe. 00:19:24.63\00:19:26.43 And this is in chapter five. 00:19:26.46\00:19:29.13 Some believe that God cannot bless 00:19:29.16\00:19:31.20 and use them due to circumstances 00:19:31.23\00:19:33.54 that may have occurred. 00:19:33.57\00:19:35.27 Perhaps, she was adopted or your mother was on drugs 00:19:35.30\00:19:39.84 and alcohol, their mother was a lesbian, 00:19:39.87\00:19:43.35 maybe your mother was infected with a disease. 00:19:43.38\00:19:46.28 These are all the reasons that women come to church, 00:19:46.31\00:19:50.49 yet they do not believe that the favor of God 00:19:50.52\00:19:54.76 is upon them 00:19:54.79\00:19:56.49 because you never got to know your mother, 00:19:56.52\00:19:58.86 because your mother was involved in an affair 00:19:58.89\00:20:01.70 when she had you, 00:20:01.73\00:20:03.87 because one of your parents is a convicted felon, 00:20:03.93\00:20:07.50 you know, your dad is incarcerated, 00:20:07.54\00:20:09.54 and the list just goes on and on and on. 00:20:09.57\00:20:13.24 But these are lies of the enemy. 00:20:13.27\00:20:15.68 These are just like fat around your belly. 00:20:15.71\00:20:17.55 Yeah. 00:20:17.61\00:20:18.95 So that's why I named that chapter, 00:20:18.98\00:20:20.32 "Lose the Belly Fat." 00:20:20.35\00:20:21.72 Yes. 00:20:21.75\00:20:23.08 You have to immerse yourself in the word of God 00:20:23.12\00:20:25.79 and find those promises of God. 00:20:25.82\00:20:27.99 Yes. 00:20:28.02\00:20:29.36 And when God said to me, "Vivian, 00:20:29.39\00:20:31.83 before you were even formed, I loved you..." 00:20:31.86\00:20:34.23 Yes. "I blessed you..." 00:20:34.30\00:20:35.70 Yes. 00:20:35.73\00:20:37.10 "I chose you, I called you." 00:20:37.13\00:20:38.63 That's right. God said, "I'm sorry. 00:20:38.67\00:20:40.50 I know your tears. 00:20:40.57\00:20:42.47 I see you weeping. 00:20:42.50\00:20:44.04 But don't you dare think that I'm finished with you." 00:20:44.07\00:20:46.61 Yes. 00:20:46.64\00:20:47.98 Yes, 'cause He is not finished yet. 00:20:48.01\00:20:49.61 That was so beautiful. 00:20:49.64\00:20:50.98 That is so beautiful. 00:20:51.01\00:20:52.35 It really is. 00:20:52.38\00:20:53.75 It just speaks of the loving, caring, 00:20:53.78\00:20:57.35 compassionate God that He is. 00:20:57.42\00:21:00.26 You know, Satan wants to distort our perception 00:21:00.29\00:21:04.13 of the character of God. 00:21:04.16\00:21:05.56 Right. 00:21:05.59\00:21:06.93 He wants us to think that God is not loving, 00:21:07.00\00:21:08.96 that He doesn't care, that He puts you here, 00:21:09.00\00:21:11.57 and you're kind of on your own. 00:21:11.60\00:21:12.93 No, no, no, no, no. 00:21:12.97\00:21:14.30 Before... 00:21:14.34\00:21:15.67 Before... 00:21:15.70\00:21:17.07 Before... 00:21:17.11\00:21:18.91 So that's ask before anything. 00:21:18.94\00:21:20.28 He knew before you were even formed... 00:21:20.34\00:21:23.04 Right. 00:21:23.08\00:21:24.55 In the womb. He knew you. 00:21:24.58\00:21:26.41 He knew us. 00:21:26.45\00:21:27.78 It's incredible. 00:21:27.82\00:21:29.15 And He already determined then that, "I love you." 00:21:29.18\00:21:32.09 That's right. "That I have a place for you." 00:21:32.12\00:21:33.92 That's right. 00:21:33.96\00:21:35.29 And a plan. 00:21:35.32\00:21:36.66 And a plan. 00:21:36.69\00:21:38.03 A plan for you. 00:21:38.06\00:21:39.39 We always talk about... 00:21:39.43\00:21:40.76 On Urban Report, 00:21:40.80\00:21:42.10 we always talk about the fact that God has a plan 00:21:42.13\00:21:43.90 and the enemy has a plan. 00:21:43.93\00:21:45.27 Absolutely. 00:21:45.30\00:21:46.63 And God's plan is to give you an abundant life 00:21:46.67\00:21:50.57 and to bring you up. 00:21:50.64\00:21:52.84 That's right. 00:21:52.87\00:21:54.21 And Satan's plan is to destroy you 00:21:54.24\00:21:56.01 and bring you down. 00:21:56.04\00:21:57.38 And they each have a system, a way, 00:21:57.41\00:22:01.08 a plan to bring you to that point 00:22:01.12\00:22:03.39 of either height or depth. 00:22:03.42\00:22:04.75 Right. 00:22:04.79\00:22:06.12 Depending on, you know, who you choose to serve. 00:22:06.15\00:22:09.09 So what you're saying is that you... 00:22:09.12\00:22:13.53 That verse, for you, in Jeremiah, 00:22:13.60\00:22:17.23 that was pivotal for you. 00:22:17.27\00:22:18.97 It was pivotal 00:22:19.00\00:22:20.40 because I kept looking at the belly. 00:22:20.44\00:22:22.97 I kept looking at the circumstance 00:22:23.00\00:22:25.27 and here's the reason 00:22:25.31\00:22:26.64 why I can never be favored in You, God. 00:22:26.68\00:22:30.51 But God was like, "It doesn't matter the belly." 00:22:30.55\00:22:33.58 It's almost like certain countries 00:22:33.62\00:22:35.98 privilege themselves if you're born 00:22:36.02\00:22:37.82 to a certain tribe or a certain royal family. 00:22:37.85\00:22:41.62 But God is saying, 00:22:41.66\00:22:42.99 "None of that matters because before you were formed, 00:22:43.02\00:22:46.76 before you ended up in that belly 00:22:46.80\00:22:49.06 where maybe the uncle raped the cousin..." 00:22:49.10\00:22:54.17 It's just so many things that Satan keeps 00:22:54.20\00:22:56.40 bringing that lie before us 00:22:56.44\00:22:58.01 and he still brings it before me. 00:22:58.04\00:23:00.98 And so constantly, daily, 00:23:01.01\00:23:02.81 I'm quoting the promises of God. 00:23:02.84\00:23:04.55 Yes. 00:23:04.58\00:23:05.91 I'm quoting the promises of God. 00:23:05.95\00:23:07.32 And that's what we have to do is lose the belly fat. 00:23:07.35\00:23:08.82 Yes. 00:23:08.85\00:23:10.19 Just like every so many months, we realize, like, "Hey, 00:23:10.22\00:23:12.35 I'm getting a little heavy here, 00:23:12.39\00:23:13.76 something is not right." 00:23:13.79\00:23:15.19 We have to do that spiritually and say, "Hey, wait a minute. 00:23:15.22\00:23:18.86 I'm getting a little heavy in my life, 00:23:18.89\00:23:20.43 my burdens are getting heavy, I'm getting torn down. 00:23:20.50\00:23:23.73 I need to lose the belly fat." 00:23:23.77\00:23:25.37 That's good. You know? 00:23:25.40\00:23:26.74 That's good. I love it. 00:23:26.80\00:23:28.14 Yeah. I love it. 00:23:28.17\00:23:29.50 Yeah, I need to lose the lies that Satan is telling me 00:23:29.54\00:23:30.87 and just begin to jot down the lies that he's telling you 00:23:30.91\00:23:34.94 and why you can't move forward 00:23:34.98\00:23:36.44 and why you can't do this and that. 00:23:36.48\00:23:37.95 Yes. 00:23:37.98\00:23:39.31 And this book is actually a seven-week program, isn't it? 00:23:39.35\00:23:41.98 Yes. 00:23:42.02\00:23:43.35 That's what it's designed to be is a seven-week journey 00:23:43.39\00:23:45.65 of spiritual transformation. 00:23:45.69\00:23:47.62 There are seven chapters. 00:23:47.66\00:23:49.86 And so my goal was that you would read 00:23:49.89\00:23:52.99 one chapter, 00:23:53.03\00:23:54.40 each chapter also gives some challenging questions, 00:23:54.46\00:23:57.63 and then you can journal, write down your answers. 00:23:57.67\00:24:01.90 But here's the feedback that I've gotten 00:24:01.94\00:24:03.84 since I've written the book. 00:24:03.91\00:24:05.41 What I'm getting is that, most people, 00:24:05.44\00:24:07.28 when they get the book, it's an easy read, 00:24:07.31\00:24:10.05 a quick read, so they read it through the first time. 00:24:10.08\00:24:13.18 Yeah. 00:24:13.21\00:24:14.55 And they love it. 00:24:14.58\00:24:15.92 And then they go back and start doing the journaling 00:24:15.95\00:24:19.55 and they're really seeking God for the transformation 00:24:19.59\00:24:23.02 or they'll choose a chapter that they want to start with 00:24:23.06\00:24:27.23 because that's where you're going to get the benefit 00:24:27.30\00:24:29.13 is when you actually answer these questions. 00:24:29.16\00:24:31.33 Yes. 00:24:31.37\00:24:32.70 And you take a look at your life and ask God, 00:24:32.73\00:24:34.97 "God, move me from the clearance aisle." 00:24:35.00\00:24:37.71 It's so easy to get stuck on that aisle 00:24:37.74\00:24:41.01 and you don't realize you're on the clearance aisle 00:24:41.04\00:24:43.61 until you just take a look around 00:24:43.65\00:24:45.65 and see how much negativity is around you. 00:24:45.68\00:24:48.15 Yes. Yes. 00:24:48.18\00:24:49.52 Take 30 seconds if you would and look into this camera 00:24:49.55\00:24:53.76 and tell that woman or that man 00:24:53.82\00:24:56.26 who's going through a really dark time 00:24:56.29\00:24:59.26 how they can just move from the clearance aisle. 00:24:59.29\00:25:03.67 Well, I would like to say that you are bought 00:25:03.70\00:25:05.63 with a price 00:25:05.67\00:25:07.17 and God has worked it out for you 00:25:07.24\00:25:09.30 before you were even born, 00:25:09.34\00:25:12.04 before the situation came upon you. 00:25:12.07\00:25:14.91 It's almost like one of the chapters 00:25:14.94\00:25:16.44 that says "Nails Done". 00:25:16.48\00:25:18.31 Because Christ has gone to the cross and died for us 00:25:18.35\00:25:22.25 and He was nailed to the cross, it's done. 00:25:22.28\00:25:24.75 Your situation is taken care of. 00:25:24.79\00:25:27.66 But you have to accept God's favor 00:25:27.69\00:25:31.23 and allow Him to continue pointing in your life. 00:25:31.26\00:25:34.36 And keep this in mind, you might be the Bible, 00:25:34.40\00:25:39.47 the answered prayer, 00:25:39.50\00:25:40.84 or the example that God wants someone else to see. 00:25:40.90\00:25:45.34 I can remember asking God, "Where is my example? 00:25:45.37\00:25:48.74 Who do I turn to? 00:25:48.78\00:25:50.11 I don't know how to walk in favor after this." 00:25:50.15\00:25:54.68 And God just took me by the hand and He said, 00:25:54.72\00:25:57.65 "If you allow Me to hold your hand 00:25:57.69\00:26:00.52 and you walk with Me, we'll do this together." 00:26:00.59\00:26:03.46 Amen. 00:26:03.49\00:26:04.83 Thank you so much, Sister Vivian. 00:26:04.86\00:26:07.13 What a blessing. 00:26:07.13\00:26:08.46 What a blessing you are 00:26:08.50\00:26:09.83 and you are to others who are going through 00:26:09.86\00:26:13.44 what you went through. 00:26:13.47\00:26:14.80 I pray. 00:26:14.84\00:26:16.17 So thank you so much 00:26:16.20\00:26:17.54 and thank you for being with us. 00:26:17.61\00:26:18.94 Yes. 00:26:18.97\00:26:20.31 And we're thankful that the Lord has restored 00:26:20.34\00:26:21.68 your marriage. 00:26:21.71\00:26:23.04 God is so good. 00:26:23.08\00:26:24.41 He is so good. He's awesome. 00:26:24.45\00:26:25.98 Know that God has a plan 00:26:26.01\00:26:28.52 for you and that He can bring you 00:26:28.55\00:26:31.45 from tragedy to triumph. 00:26:31.49\00:26:33.49 Well, I can't believe it. 00:26:33.56\00:26:34.92 We've reached the end of another program. 00:26:34.96\00:26:36.93 Join us next time 'cause you know what? 00:26:36.96\00:26:38.66 It just wouldn't be the same without you. 00:26:38.69\00:26:40.90