Where does your loyalty lie? 00:00:01.33\00:00:02.66 Is it in your Christianity? Or is it in your culture? 00:00:02.70\00:00:06.07 Stay tuned to find out what Hollywood movie 00:00:06.10\00:00:08.30 has taken Christians by a storm. 00:00:08.34\00:00:10.81 My name is Yvonne Lewis-Shelton. 00:00:10.87\00:00:12.57 And I'm Jason Bradley, 00:00:12.61\00:00:13.98 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:00:14.04\00:00:16.71 Hello, and welcome to Urban Report. 00:00:40.77\00:00:43.14 Our guests today are Dr. Isaac Olatunji 00:00:43.17\00:00:46.11 also known as Dr. O, 00:00:46.14\00:00:47.88 professor of religion at Oakwood University, 00:00:47.91\00:00:50.61 and Scotty Mayer, 00:00:50.68\00:00:52.01 Speaker/Director of Little Light Studios. 00:00:52.05\00:00:54.65 Welcome to Urban Report, Dr. O and Scotty. 00:00:54.68\00:00:57.85 Yeah! Hello. 00:00:57.89\00:00:59.22 Thank you, thank you. Hello, hello. 00:00:59.25\00:01:00.66 Away with you guys. Alright. 00:01:00.69\00:01:02.42 And my co-host here, Jason Bradley, 00:01:02.46\00:01:06.09 who is also my son, 00:01:06.13\00:01:07.60 who is also the General Manager 00:01:07.60\00:01:09.36 of 3ABN's Dare to Dream Network. 00:01:09.40\00:01:12.33 Yeah! Yes, it is good to be here. 00:01:12.37\00:01:13.70 Yeah. 00:01:13.74\00:01:15.07 I'm excited about what we're gonna talk about today. 00:01:15.10\00:01:16.44 I am too, Jay. 00:01:16.47\00:01:17.81 I am too because it's something that's so necessary. 00:01:17.84\00:01:20.68 There's something going on 00:01:20.74\00:01:22.54 that if you don't know about it, you will. 00:01:22.58\00:01:25.75 By the time this program is over, 00:01:25.78\00:01:28.05 hopefully you will be considering 00:01:28.08\00:01:30.65 some really new and poignant points 00:01:30.69\00:01:33.72 about the movie the Black Panther. 00:01:33.76\00:01:38.33 That movie, I mean, 00:01:38.36\00:01:40.50 it's been a box-office success, right? 00:01:40.56\00:01:44.10 I think it was one of the top ones. 00:01:44.13\00:01:45.70 Yeah, it broke records. It broke records. 00:01:45.73\00:01:47.97 Yeah. 00:01:48.00\00:01:49.60 It's been an amazing "success" in the box office. 00:01:49.64\00:01:53.61 But we want to look at it from another perspective today. 00:01:53.64\00:01:58.61 And I think it's important that we let you know 00:01:58.65\00:02:02.05 that we are not in any way trying 00:02:02.08\00:02:04.19 to invalidate the kind of support 00:02:04.22\00:02:11.16 that it gives to the black community 00:02:11.19\00:02:13.90 from the standpoint of, you know... 00:02:13.93\00:02:16.53 We're used to seeing Africans not being progressive. 00:02:16.56\00:02:20.64 And this movie is very different. 00:02:20.70\00:02:22.60 It's actually showing Africans being ahead of everybody else. 00:02:22.64\00:02:26.27 So of course, there's that feeling of, 00:02:26.31\00:02:28.24 "Wow, this is a great situation." 00:02:28.28\00:02:31.98 But in our quest to counteract the counterfeit 00:02:32.01\00:02:38.42 which is what we've been called to do at Dare to Dream. 00:02:38.45\00:02:40.76 We just want to show you some other perspective. 00:02:40.82\00:02:43.06 And that's what you guys have done. 00:02:43.09\00:02:45.13 Tell us what you did 00:02:45.16\00:02:47.60 with the movie the Black Panther. 00:02:47.60\00:02:50.50 Well, just dealing with the hidden dangers 00:02:50.53\00:02:54.40 and not so hidden dangers from a biblical perspective 00:02:54.44\00:02:57.37 because the Bible makes it very plain 00:02:57.44\00:02:59.34 that we are not to be deceived. 00:02:59.37\00:03:00.78 "Let no man deceive you," Jesus said. 00:03:00.81\00:03:02.81 And the Bible makes it very plain 00:03:02.84\00:03:04.18 that Satan comes and settle in us 00:03:04.25\00:03:06.48 in all sort of ways to draw us away 00:03:06.51\00:03:07.98 from the simplicity that in Christ. 00:03:08.02\00:03:10.19 And so in this documentary, 00:03:10.22\00:03:12.32 we were just highlighting what those things were 00:03:12.35\00:03:15.16 so we can make a biblically informed decision 00:03:15.19\00:03:17.76 on this movie. 00:03:17.79\00:03:19.13 And if they come out, 00:03:19.16\00:03:20.50 and I'm hearing that they'll be coming 00:03:20.53\00:03:21.83 with another sequel to the Black Panther. 00:03:21.86\00:03:24.73 That's really good. 00:03:24.77\00:03:26.53 Scotty, what lead you to decide 00:03:26.57\00:03:31.37 to get involved with this documentary? 00:03:31.41\00:03:34.14 Well, our ministry began 00:03:34.18\00:03:36.14 due to making a few documentaries 00:03:36.18\00:03:38.81 on the entertainment industry 00:03:38.85\00:03:40.68 and some of the spiritual messages 00:03:40.72\00:03:42.05 that come out of those movies. 00:03:42.08\00:03:44.95 Our first few productions that we ever created, 00:03:44.99\00:03:47.76 we really wanted to get to the bottom of, 00:03:47.79\00:03:49.86 you know, "Are we really affected 00:03:49.89\00:03:51.23 by what we watch?" 00:03:51.26\00:03:53.03 And so we've kind of made a few documentaries 00:03:53.06\00:03:56.83 on this subject. 00:03:56.90\00:03:58.23 And when the Black Panther came out, 00:03:58.27\00:04:00.24 we started getting flooded with emails and phone calls, 00:04:00.27\00:04:03.91 and people kept saying, 00:04:03.94\00:04:05.27 "You got to do something on this movie. 00:04:05.31\00:04:06.78 It's so huge!" 00:04:06.81\00:04:08.14 And the things that they're teaching here 00:04:08.18\00:04:09.78 is just so different than the Bible. 00:04:09.81\00:04:12.48 And you know, 00:04:12.51\00:04:13.85 I'm very sensitive to the difference, 00:04:13.92\00:04:17.72 you know, cultural sensitivities. 00:04:17.75\00:04:19.79 But at the same time, it's like, 00:04:19.82\00:04:22.89 we've got to stand on the Word of God. 00:04:22.92\00:04:24.49 And so I kind of shied away from it a little bit and said, 00:04:24.53\00:04:27.66 "You know what, 00:04:27.66\00:04:29.00 I'm a few shades the wrong color 00:04:29.03\00:04:32.40 to be putting this thing out." 00:04:32.43\00:04:34.70 And so when I teamed up with Dr. O 00:04:34.74\00:04:37.81 and I saw his presentation 00:04:37.84\00:04:39.61 at Can You Hear Me Now? conference in California. 00:04:39.64\00:04:42.88 I said, "This is it. This is it. 00:04:42.91\00:04:44.48 We need to do something on this, 00:04:44.51\00:04:45.98 and this is the guy." 00:04:46.01\00:04:47.68 A lot of the research actually came from him. 00:04:47.72\00:04:50.15 So I was happy to just help put it together, 00:04:50.19\00:04:51.85 and it was a blessing. 00:04:51.89\00:04:53.72 And what's so interesting about it is right around 00:04:53.76\00:04:56.69 when the movie came out, Oakwood, where I teach at, 00:04:56.73\00:05:00.83 was doing 40 days of prayer at Oakwood University Church. 00:05:00.86\00:05:03.90 And when the prayer coordinator called me and said, 00:05:03.97\00:05:08.47 "Could you do a presentation on this? 00:05:08.50\00:05:12.04 We believe you are the only one who can do this 00:05:12.07\00:05:14.08 as relates to this, 00:05:14.11\00:05:15.51 and do a presentation at a specific place on campus." 00:05:15.54\00:05:18.55 And I did just that, 00:05:18.58\00:05:19.91 and that's what began on my side 00:05:19.95\00:05:21.88 seeing how the Lord was moving on his side 00:05:21.92\00:05:23.59 to bring us together to give it to you right now. 00:05:23.62\00:05:25.79 Yeah. Yeah. Isn't that amazing? 00:05:25.82\00:05:27.56 You know, it will be interesting 00:05:27.59\00:05:28.92 to see what kind of backlash you received 00:05:28.96\00:05:31.36 for doing this movie 00:05:31.39\00:05:32.73 because it was such a huge hit, 00:05:32.76\00:05:35.23 especially in the black community 00:05:35.26\00:05:37.93 to see a black superhero. 00:05:37.97\00:05:40.80 I think everybody... 00:05:40.84\00:05:42.74 I won't say everybody 00:05:42.77\00:05:44.11 'cause that's a dangerous statement, 00:05:44.17\00:05:45.57 but a lot of people, you know, 00:05:45.61\00:05:48.54 when they see the black superhero, 00:05:48.58\00:05:50.25 it's just like everything else goes out the window. 00:05:50.31\00:05:52.51 You forget about all the spiritualism, 00:05:52.55\00:05:54.72 and all these other components, and you're just like, 00:05:54.75\00:05:57.72 "Oh, we got a brother that's a superhero." 00:05:57.75\00:06:00.82 And everybody is going for it. 00:06:00.89\00:06:02.22 He could do whatever in the movie 00:06:02.26\00:06:03.96 but it's a black superhero so... 00:06:03.99\00:06:05.33 That's where the deception comes in 00:06:05.36\00:06:06.70 because the Bible says 00:06:06.73\00:06:08.03 that Satan comes as an angel of light. 00:06:08.06\00:06:09.43 He always comes in with an appearance of good 00:06:09.46\00:06:11.63 and to the benefit of man. 00:06:11.67\00:06:13.00 Even when he came to Eve, 00:06:13.03\00:06:15.04 he had her to look at the tree in a good way, 00:06:15.07\00:06:17.54 but God has said not to eat it. 00:06:17.61\00:06:19.14 God told us in the Bible 00:06:19.17\00:06:20.51 not to get caught up in witchcraft and spiritualism. 00:06:20.58\00:06:22.78 The Bible says, "I've severed you 00:06:22.81\00:06:24.25 from other people that you should be mine." 00:06:24.28\00:06:26.01 So we are not to go after the abominations 00:06:26.05\00:06:28.55 of other nations. 00:06:28.58\00:06:29.92 And when we look at what's going on in that movie 00:06:29.95\00:06:32.62 and look at what the Bible says, 00:06:32.65\00:06:34.29 we always, whether you're black or white, 00:06:34.32\00:06:35.96 no matter what culture you are, 00:06:35.99\00:06:37.66 you always have to go with the word. 00:06:37.69\00:06:40.30 Absolutely, and that is the key. 00:06:40.33\00:06:42.70 You know, the temptation is to go with... 00:06:42.73\00:06:45.97 It feels good. 00:06:46.00\00:06:47.44 I mean you're watching it. There's a lot of action. 00:06:47.50\00:06:49.80 There's a lot of stuff going on. 00:06:49.84\00:06:51.64 But we have to go with the word. 00:06:51.67\00:06:55.18 What does the word say? 00:06:55.21\00:06:56.54 For those who have never seen that movie, 00:06:56.58\00:07:00.75 let's talk about what's in the movie. 00:07:00.78\00:07:02.95 What's the movie about? 00:07:02.98\00:07:06.45 You know, what is its goal, so to speak? 00:07:06.49\00:07:09.02 What is it trying to achieve? 00:07:09.06\00:07:10.56 And then let's talk about 00:07:10.59\00:07:12.13 what you guys have done with the documentary. 00:07:12.16\00:07:14.13 What is... 00:07:14.20\00:07:15.53 For those who haven't seen the Black Panther movie, 00:07:15.56\00:07:17.10 certainly not recommending that you see it. 00:07:17.17\00:07:19.43 We're just saying for those who haven't seen it, 00:07:19.47\00:07:21.47 what's that movie about? 00:07:21.50\00:07:25.24 The Black Panther really was one component 00:07:25.27\00:07:29.94 of Marvel's Universe. 00:07:29.98\00:07:31.48 And the character that they chose to focus on, 00:07:31.51\00:07:35.75 his homeland was in Africa. 00:07:35.78\00:07:38.45 It's a fictitious place called Wakanda. 00:07:38.49\00:07:41.12 And there was basically a meteor that hit the planet 00:07:41.16\00:07:46.29 and dropped some "special" type of material, 00:07:46.33\00:07:52.80 vibranium, that they could make 00:07:52.83\00:07:55.24 technological advancements with. 00:07:55.27\00:07:57.37 And that's what put that culture 00:07:57.41\00:07:59.91 on sort of top of the food chain in the world 00:07:59.94\00:08:03.04 if you would. 00:08:03.08\00:08:04.41 And you know, it's interesting 00:08:04.45\00:08:07.55 because they tell you right out of the gate, 00:08:07.58\00:08:11.22 the very first scene of the movie, 00:08:11.25\00:08:14.09 where the inspiration comes from. 00:08:14.12\00:08:16.36 And you know, 00:08:16.39\00:08:17.99 as they're explaining the story 00:08:18.03\00:08:19.56 of how this transpired in the earth, 00:08:19.59\00:08:22.76 I mean they basically say, 00:08:22.80\00:08:24.17 "Hey, the first Black Panther, 00:08:24.20\00:08:28.04 he got this from the panther god, Bast." 00:08:28.07\00:08:32.01 Wow! 00:08:32.04\00:08:33.38 Bast? Bast. 00:08:33.41\00:08:34.74 The cat god of Egypt. Come on now. 00:08:34.78\00:08:36.64 He directed him... I'm sorry. 00:08:36.68\00:08:38.01 Excuse me, Scott. No, no. 00:08:38.05\00:08:39.41 He directed him to eat a heart-shaped herb 00:08:39.45\00:08:42.12 to give him power, strength, and instincts, 00:08:42.15\00:08:44.02 and he became the first Black Panther. 00:08:44.09\00:08:45.42 The Black Panther is a ceremonial religious title 00:08:45.45\00:08:49.36 for the African nation of Wakanda. 00:08:49.39\00:08:51.59 Similar to it in the Bible, 00:08:51.63\00:08:53.40 the Canaanites, they were pagans, 00:08:53.43\00:08:55.56 every king was not only a political leader, 00:08:55.60\00:08:58.30 but he was also a religionist figure. 00:08:58.33\00:09:01.30 So as you look at the two, 00:09:01.34\00:09:02.67 it's really mirroring the Biblical themes 00:09:02.70\00:09:05.21 in terms of that. 00:09:05.24\00:09:06.57 So when you look at that as the foundation, 00:09:06.61\00:09:08.41 then you know you're dealing 00:09:08.44\00:09:09.78 with spiritualism and witchcraft. 00:09:09.81\00:09:11.55 It's really the movie... 00:09:11.58\00:09:12.91 It's a spinoff of the Marvel Comics superhero, 00:09:12.95\00:09:14.48 the Black Panther. 00:09:14.52\00:09:15.85 And a lot of this stuff, you can get on marvel-wiki. 00:09:15.88\00:09:18.12 And just looking at what it's all about, 00:09:18.15\00:09:20.09 it just really sets the foundation 00:09:20.12\00:09:21.66 to the rest of the movie. 00:09:21.69\00:09:23.22 Yes, so there is a whole bunch of sorcery 00:09:23.26\00:09:26.13 and all that other stuff in there. 00:09:26.16\00:09:27.96 You know, we actually have a trailer 00:09:27.96\00:09:30.47 of the documentary that you guys put together. 00:09:30.50\00:09:32.73 Awesome. 00:09:32.77\00:09:34.14 We wanna take a look at that right now. 00:09:34.17\00:09:37.41 What is the Black Panther and the enemy of our souls 00:09:37.44\00:09:40.18 namely Lucifer have in common? 00:09:40.21\00:09:42.61 The number one question 00:09:42.64\00:09:43.98 that needs to be answered is this. 00:09:44.05\00:09:45.38 What do superheroes depend upon 00:09:45.41\00:09:47.92 when battling against the forces of evil 00:09:47.95\00:09:50.69 in their roles? 00:09:50.72\00:09:52.05 When is the last time or the first time 00:09:52.09\00:09:53.56 you see an animal speaking to a human being 00:09:53.59\00:09:56.19 to eat something to receive power? 00:09:56.22\00:09:58.53 You know very well what it is. 00:09:58.56\00:10:00.60 When the devil, when he possessed a serpent, 00:10:00.63\00:10:03.43 spoke through the serpent, 00:10:03.47\00:10:05.00 and told Eve that if you eat of the fruit, 00:10:05.03\00:10:07.97 you will become like God. 00:10:08.00\00:10:10.17 Where's he getting his power from? 00:10:10.21\00:10:11.81 Who is he getting his wisdom from? 00:10:11.84\00:10:13.34 A goddess, Bast! 00:10:13.38\00:10:15.61 You know that's the devil. 00:10:15.64\00:10:17.01 The Black Panther and Bast are connected together 00:10:17.05\00:10:20.68 with a heart-shaped herb. 00:10:20.72\00:10:22.52 The Black Panther is saying, "Honored fathers, 00:10:22.55\00:10:24.59 mighty warriors, fearsome priests, 00:10:24.62\00:10:27.12 Black Panthers all, 00:10:27.16\00:10:28.49 in the name of Bast," not in the name of Jesus, 00:10:28.52\00:10:31.56 but in the name of a false god, "In the name of Bast, 00:10:31.59\00:10:34.56 I call upon you to counsel." 00:10:34.60\00:10:36.63 Hold on there. 00:10:36.70\00:10:38.03 We must follow Biblical principles 00:10:38.07\00:10:39.40 when it comes to what we watch. 00:10:39.43\00:10:41.20 The bottom line is this right here. 00:10:41.24\00:10:43.04 If you take the witchcraft and the spiritualism 00:10:43.07\00:10:46.81 and the false-god worship out of the Black Panther movie, 00:10:46.84\00:10:50.21 guess what, 00:10:50.28\00:10:51.61 you won't have a Black Panther. 00:10:51.65\00:10:55.52 Get ready 00:10:55.55\00:10:56.92 for The Black Panther Deception. 00:10:56.95\00:11:01.92 Available now on DVD and digital download 00:11:01.96\00:11:04.59 at LittleLightStudios.tv 00:11:04.63\00:11:09.43 Wow! Wow! Oh! 00:11:09.46\00:11:11.17 Now everybody should want to see that version 00:11:11.20\00:11:14.30 of the Black Panther right there, 00:11:14.34\00:11:16.00 Black Panther Deception. 00:11:16.04\00:11:17.81 That's right, that's right. 00:11:17.84\00:11:19.17 Yes, yes, and they will be able to. 00:11:19.21\00:11:22.11 We are gonna actually show a special feature right here 00:11:22.14\00:11:24.75 on Dare to Dream. 00:11:24.78\00:11:26.88 I know. I'm super excited. 00:11:26.92\00:11:28.45 We are going to show The Black Panther Deception. 00:11:28.48\00:11:32.62 So that for those of you who have seen it, 00:11:32.65\00:11:34.72 you'll be able... 00:11:34.76\00:11:36.09 For those of you who have seen the movie, 00:11:36.12\00:11:37.49 the original movie, the Black Panther, 00:11:37.53\00:11:39.29 you will be able to see 00:11:39.33\00:11:40.96 just how it contradicts the Bible. 00:11:40.96\00:11:44.57 You cannot say that this movie is okay 00:11:44.60\00:11:47.70 once you watch The Black Panther Deception 00:11:47.74\00:11:50.64 because there's just too much in it. 00:11:50.67\00:11:53.31 I love how in that trailer, you brought out 00:11:53.34\00:11:55.81 that panther is a god. 00:11:55.84\00:12:02.05 I didn't even realize that when I saw it. 00:12:02.08\00:12:05.72 I watched it so that I can talk intelligently 00:12:05.75\00:12:10.33 about the movie. 00:12:10.36\00:12:12.19 So I had no idea. 00:12:12.23\00:12:14.00 You know, we know that the Canaanites and all, 00:12:14.00\00:12:15.90 they had idols and heathen gods, 00:12:15.93\00:12:18.47 and all that Moloch, and all that. 00:12:18.50\00:12:19.93 So this is very interesting. 00:12:20.00\00:12:22.30 And they talked about praising the ancestors 00:12:22.34\00:12:25.61 instead of praising God. 00:12:25.64\00:12:26.98 I mean there are all kinds of things. 00:12:27.04\00:12:28.38 And you see, the Bible gives us a Biblical principle. 00:12:28.41\00:12:30.01 The scripture says in the book of Exodus 23:13, 00:12:30.05\00:12:33.01 "In all things that I said unto you, 00:12:33.05\00:12:34.62 be circumspect 00:12:34.65\00:12:36.15 and make no mention of the name of other gods. 00:12:36.18\00:12:40.82 Neither let it be heard out of thy mouth." 00:12:40.86\00:12:42.39 Why? 00:12:42.42\00:12:43.79 So others won't inquire 00:12:43.83\00:12:45.16 and they might end up worshipping that god. 00:12:45.19\00:12:47.60 Yes. 00:12:47.60\00:12:48.93 And see, Paul gives us a principle 00:12:48.96\00:12:50.83 in 1 Corinthians 10:14 to flee from idolatry. 00:12:50.90\00:12:53.87 There's something about idol worship. 00:12:53.90\00:12:55.94 This is what we are dealing with, idol worship. 00:12:55.97\00:12:57.57 Yes. 00:12:57.61\00:12:58.94 It is so intriguing 00:12:58.97\00:13:00.38 that will make us want to continue 00:13:00.41\00:13:01.74 to stay in it and promote it to others. 00:13:01.78\00:13:08.05 Scotty, what's your creative process 00:13:08.08\00:13:10.59 when you are going to record a documentary like this one? 00:13:10.62\00:13:16.59 Well, you know, this one began 00:13:16.62\00:13:18.23 with just kind of wrapping my head 00:13:18.26\00:13:20.90 around the concepts that were taught in the film. 00:13:20.93\00:13:24.53 And when you kind of take a look at, okay, 00:13:24.57\00:13:29.14 every piece of art is meant to affect its viewer, right? 00:13:29.17\00:13:32.71 That's the reason we make art. 00:13:32.74\00:13:34.08 Nobody makes art that doesn't affect the person. 00:13:34.14\00:13:36.11 Right. 00:13:36.14\00:13:37.51 So when you kind of understand like, you know, 00:13:37.55\00:13:40.12 what's the real core message 00:13:40.18\00:13:41.62 that they're teaching in this movie, 00:13:41.65\00:13:44.39 and then when you open up your Bible 00:13:44.42\00:13:45.89 and you start looking at what the truth is, 00:13:45.92\00:13:49.62 then we kind of like work backwards from there 00:13:49.66\00:13:51.39 and we say what truth can we actually teach 00:13:51.43\00:13:54.23 that is really coming out of the questions 00:13:54.30\00:13:56.90 that are raised in this film? 00:13:56.93\00:13:59.23 So basically, what you're doing is you're taking a look 00:13:59.27\00:14:01.54 at the questions that are posed 00:14:01.57\00:14:03.00 and you're providing biblical answers 00:14:03.04\00:14:05.24 because what's going on in these movie, 00:14:05.27\00:14:06.88 it's a lot of falsehood. 00:14:06.91\00:14:08.24 That's right. 00:14:08.28\00:14:09.61 When you see the Black Panther speaking to his dead father, 00:14:09.64\00:14:13.18 and he is in a tree, and shape shifts, 00:14:13.21\00:14:15.82 and comes and speaks with him, 00:14:15.85\00:14:17.59 well, then we can take a look at what does the Bible say 00:14:17.62\00:14:19.85 about the state of the dead, you know? 00:14:19.89\00:14:21.99 In Ecclesiastes, it says, "The dead know not anything." 00:14:22.02\00:14:25.56 So the only way 00:14:25.59\00:14:27.13 that we're gonna be able to spot these deceptions 00:14:27.20\00:14:29.66 is you have to know the truth. 00:14:29.70\00:14:31.67 You're not gonna spot it if you don't know 00:14:31.70\00:14:33.03 what the genuine obviously says. 00:14:33.07\00:14:36.04 But there's a lot of topics that were raised in here 00:14:36.07\00:14:38.37 that as Christians 00:14:38.41\00:14:40.04 should really "raise" alarm bells, 00:14:40.08\00:14:42.54 and, you know the fact that it didn't for many 00:14:42.58\00:14:46.05 is alarming to me. 00:14:46.08\00:14:47.42 Yes, yes. Yes, yes. 00:14:47.48\00:14:49.92 Go ahead. Go ahead. 00:14:49.95\00:14:51.29 Or do you think that maybe it raised bells 00:14:51.32\00:14:54.02 but they just chose to ignore it? 00:14:54.06\00:14:56.16 Maybe they didn't want to see it. 00:14:56.19\00:14:57.79 Well, here's another thing that's going on as well. 00:14:57.83\00:15:00.46 You know, for the last 10 years, 00:15:00.53\00:15:02.63 we have actually kind of really studied 00:15:02.66\00:15:04.40 into what happens in the brain when you watch TV or movies. 00:15:04.43\00:15:07.70 There's a lot that's going on inside your mind. 00:15:07.74\00:15:10.51 And so because of the way that the story takes place, 00:15:10.54\00:15:13.98 it's fast-paced, I mean it's flowing at you, 00:15:14.01\00:15:16.95 you're having to pay attention to different characters. 00:15:16.98\00:15:19.28 They are only showing you parts and bits of time. 00:15:19.31\00:15:21.45 It's hard for your mind to stop and say, 00:15:21.48\00:15:24.62 "Well, let me make a logical comparison. 00:15:24.65\00:15:26.59 Let me remember what my Bible says." 00:15:26.62\00:15:28.52 You're paying attention to the story. 00:15:28.56\00:15:30.63 So to their defense, 00:15:30.66\00:15:33.53 when you sit down and you watch these movies, 00:15:33.60\00:15:35.86 a lot of times, you don't have the luxury 00:15:35.90\00:15:37.80 to be able to really sit and think about it. 00:15:37.83\00:15:40.00 So it's only kind of when you see it in slower 00:15:40.04\00:15:42.57 or chopped-up points, 00:15:42.60\00:15:43.97 kind of like what we did in the documentary, 00:15:44.01\00:15:45.71 where we're smashing together all of these parts, 00:15:45.74\00:15:48.84 you really step back and go. 00:15:48.88\00:15:50.21 "Wow, there really is a ton of spiritualism 00:15:50.25\00:15:52.38 in this thing." 00:15:52.41\00:15:55.68 What do you think is going to be the biggest challenge 00:15:55.72\00:16:00.49 for you as an African-American 00:16:00.52\00:16:03.76 talking about this movie? 00:16:03.79\00:16:07.40 What do you think 00:16:07.46\00:16:08.76 some of the challenges are going to be? 00:16:08.80\00:16:10.13 Well, I'm not really worrying about the challenges 00:16:10.17\00:16:11.80 'cause this challenge is preaching the gospel anyway. 00:16:11.83\00:16:13.74 Regardless of what nationality a person is. 00:16:13.77\00:16:17.01 But to answer your question specifically, 00:16:17.04\00:16:19.91 just maybe some backlash 'cause I had a young person 00:16:19.94\00:16:23.14 when I did my presentation last year, 00:16:23.18\00:16:25.25 she said that I was invalid. 00:16:25.28\00:16:26.61 She charged me 00:16:26.65\00:16:27.98 with invalidating black culture, 00:16:28.02\00:16:29.68 which I wasn't, 00:16:29.72\00:16:31.05 we are invalidating satanic culture. 00:16:31.09\00:16:32.55 There you go. 00:16:32.59\00:16:33.96 It's infiltrated every culture to promote satanic principles, 00:16:33.99\00:16:37.03 which will one day lead to the second death. 00:16:37.06\00:16:40.50 And so... 00:16:40.53\00:16:42.86 You know, one thing we did 00:16:42.90\00:16:44.37 in this documentary, put a disclaimer. 00:16:44.40\00:16:45.93 This is not an invalidation to the black community. 00:16:45.97\00:16:48.00 I'm not in the business of validating myself, okay? 00:16:48.04\00:16:50.87 But this is about truth and righteousness 00:16:50.91\00:16:53.74 that Satan is hit against everybody. 00:16:53.78\00:16:57.11 And so what happens is that Satan does 00:16:57.15\00:16:59.41 what the apostle says, 00:16:59.45\00:17:00.85 you become all things of all men. 00:17:00.88\00:17:02.22 So he fought for blacks, he has stuff for black people, 00:17:02.25\00:17:05.72 for other cultures, he has stuff for other people. 00:17:05.75\00:17:08.32 So as we're dealing with this movie, 00:17:08.36\00:17:10.09 which is really nothing more than what you see 00:17:10.16\00:17:12.06 in the white superheroes 'cause in the documentary, 00:17:12.09\00:17:14.13 we dealt with two white superheroes, 00:17:14.20\00:17:15.53 Isis and Shazam, 00:17:15.56\00:17:16.97 who Isis called upon an Egyptian goddess for power. 00:17:17.00\00:17:21.00 And Shazam received power from a wizard 00:17:21.04\00:17:23.30 and the Bible says we are not to be defiled by them. 00:17:23.34\00:17:25.44 Right. 00:17:25.47\00:17:26.81 We purposely did that 00:17:26.88\00:17:28.21 so that to set the foundation showing that the Black Panther 00:17:28.24\00:17:30.75 is no different than the white superheroes 00:17:30.78\00:17:32.35 'cause they come from the same power. 00:17:32.38\00:17:34.22 That was gonna be my next question 00:17:34.25\00:17:35.58 is like what's the difference 00:17:35.62\00:17:36.99 between a black superhero and a white superhero? 00:17:37.02\00:17:38.62 No. No difference. So there's no difference? 00:17:38.65\00:17:40.19 When you look at the origin where most of them come from, 00:17:40.26\00:17:42.79 they're Ancient Greek and Roman gods. 00:17:42.82\00:17:45.59 And the Greeks and the Romans just got their gods from Egypt. 00:17:45.63\00:17:48.60 So when you look at all of the Egyptian influence 00:17:48.63\00:17:52.17 and those kind of gods' worship, 00:17:52.20\00:17:57.27 this is where a lot of this stems from, 00:17:57.31\00:17:59.34 it's way back in ancient cultures. 00:17:59.37\00:18:01.34 Exactly, and that's why 00:18:01.38\00:18:03.51 as Biblically-informed Christians, 00:18:03.58\00:18:05.15 we must make every decision 00:18:05.18\00:18:06.51 that has to be a Biblically informed one. 00:18:06.55\00:18:09.38 Therefore, as David said, we will hate every false way. 00:18:09.42\00:18:13.59 Right. 00:18:13.62\00:18:14.96 So when we see something contradicting the Bible, 00:18:14.99\00:18:16.59 regardless of how heralded it is 00:18:16.62\00:18:19.79 because Jesus says in Luke 16, 00:18:19.83\00:18:22.03 that which is highly esteemed among men 00:18:22.06\00:18:24.17 is an abomination to God. 00:18:24.20\00:18:26.07 So just because people highly esteem 00:18:26.10\00:18:27.90 it in my culture, 00:18:27.94\00:18:29.37 we got to look in between the lines 00:18:29.40\00:18:31.11 as Christians that if we were secular people, 00:18:31.14\00:18:35.64 we weren't claiming the God of the Bible, 00:18:35.68\00:18:37.78 just the Bible at all, 00:18:37.81\00:18:39.21 then this discussion would be foolishness. 00:18:39.25\00:18:41.58 But because we're Christians and we're talking to people 00:18:41.62\00:18:44.32 who are interested in the Christian's God, 00:18:44.35\00:18:46.62 which is Jehovah Jireh, 00:18:46.65\00:18:48.76 therefore, we have to look at it 00:18:48.79\00:18:50.36 from a Biblical lens and not from a black lens. 00:18:50.43\00:18:52.69 That's right. That's right. 00:18:52.73\00:18:54.10 I'm glad you said that because, you know, oftentimes, 00:18:54.10\00:18:56.83 you do see where a culture trumps your Christianity, 00:18:56.87\00:19:00.37 like, you see, a lot of people go 00:19:00.40\00:19:01.94 with their culture rather than God. 00:19:01.97\00:19:03.44 Yes. Yes. 00:19:03.47\00:19:04.81 There's a lot of people that were genuinely really excited 00:19:04.84\00:19:07.61 when this movie came out. 00:19:07.64\00:19:08.98 I mean they showed up at the theater in full regalia, 00:19:09.01\00:19:11.51 and when was the last time you came to church 00:19:11.55\00:19:13.55 in full regalia and excited about the gospel the same way? 00:19:13.58\00:19:18.72 Unfortunately, the devil uses flattery. 00:19:18.75\00:19:21.46 And when he flatters us, 00:19:21.49\00:19:22.96 we get our senses all messed up, 00:19:22.99\00:19:25.06 and then we begin to not see through his deceptions as well. 00:19:25.09\00:19:30.87 Especially, if you have a sense of oppression, 00:19:30.90\00:19:34.14 where you don't feel as though you measure up 00:19:34.17\00:19:37.04 for whatever reason, it's not based on truth, 00:19:37.11\00:19:39.37 it's just based on whatever, and so if you feel that. 00:19:39.41\00:19:43.01 And then you see a movie where your culture is exalted, 00:19:43.04\00:19:48.35 then it's like, "Oh, wow!" 00:19:48.38\00:19:50.39 And so you go with that, but you're not thinking about, 00:19:50.42\00:19:53.66 "Well, wait a minute, what's the dark side of this? 00:19:53.69\00:19:57.36 How is Satan trying to use this to actually engulf us 00:19:57.43\00:20:02.33 in his and the counterfeit?" 00:20:02.36\00:20:03.93 And that's why you have to look at the... 00:20:03.97\00:20:05.43 Keep the end result in mind. 00:20:05.47\00:20:07.30 Where is this leading to? 00:20:07.34\00:20:08.67 Where is this bus headed? 00:20:08.70\00:20:10.77 From a psychological standpoint, 00:20:10.81\00:20:13.21 from a sociological standpoint, it's perfectly understandable 00:20:13.24\00:20:16.41 why an individual of African culture, 00:20:16.44\00:20:20.08 African-American culture, and African culture in general 00:20:20.12\00:20:23.75 patronized it so much because it gives us 00:20:23.79\00:20:25.69 a sense of feeling of... 00:20:25.72\00:20:28.49 I would hate to say superiority 00:20:28.52\00:20:29.86 but just something that we've been wanting 00:20:29.89\00:20:31.99 ever since we came over here as slaves. 00:20:32.03\00:20:33.66 But the Bible does tell us 00:20:33.70\00:20:35.36 that if we keep His Commandments 00:20:35.40\00:20:37.20 and do what He says, 00:20:37.23\00:20:38.57 He will make us the head and not the tail. 00:20:38.60\00:20:39.97 That's right. 00:20:40.00\00:20:41.34 Our validation comes from obeying God, 00:20:41.37\00:20:43.17 not some superhero. 00:20:43.20\00:20:44.54 But watch this right here. 00:20:44.57\00:20:45.91 In obeying God, His commandment is to stay away 00:20:45.94\00:20:48.21 from wizards and from witchcraft. 00:20:48.24\00:20:49.68 So therefore, I can't watch this movie. 00:20:49.71\00:20:53.38 Yes. Yes. Yes. 00:20:53.45\00:20:55.72 I mean all of the people 00:20:55.75\00:20:57.15 in the ancient books of the Bible 00:20:57.22\00:20:59.59 that struggled with idolatry and witchcraft, 00:20:59.62\00:21:02.39 they lost their lives. 00:21:02.42\00:21:03.76 I mean that's how serious it was to God. 00:21:03.83\00:21:05.99 God says He would turn His face away from that individual 00:21:06.03\00:21:10.93 that's involved in witchcraft or sorcery. 00:21:10.97\00:21:14.20 And so do you think it would be very fair 00:21:14.24\00:21:16.47 in today's world 00:21:16.50\00:21:17.84 where those people lost their life, 00:21:17.87\00:21:19.21 they came up for judgment, 00:21:19.24\00:21:20.94 and then they take a look at us, 00:21:20.98\00:21:22.31 and they go, "Well, these guys are watching all this stuff. 00:21:22.34\00:21:25.21 They're involved in it too. 00:21:25.25\00:21:26.58 But I lost my salvation because of that." 00:21:26.61\00:21:28.82 So, you know, I think God is the same back then 00:21:28.85\00:21:32.92 as He is today. 00:21:32.95\00:21:34.29 And even back then, 00:21:34.32\00:21:35.66 God wasn't looking at race like we do today. 00:21:35.69\00:21:37.99 God brought you out of the house of Egypt, 00:21:38.03\00:21:40.40 out of a nation of black people that worship the false god. 00:21:40.46\00:21:44.63 But hold on, in the land of Canaan, 00:21:44.67\00:21:46.97 they were the sons of Ham just as much as the Egyptians were. 00:21:47.00\00:21:49.70 So these were black nations around there 00:21:49.74\00:21:52.21 that were worshipping false gods. 00:21:52.24\00:21:53.71 So God wasn't looking at it the way we look at it. 00:21:53.74\00:21:56.08 That's right. 00:21:56.11\00:21:57.48 He's looking at it from truth and righteousness, 00:21:57.51\00:21:58.85 and we must be Godlike. 00:21:58.88\00:22:00.42 But I want to bring this point up too 00:22:00.45\00:22:03.22 or ask you this question rather, you know, 00:22:03.25\00:22:05.62 with what you just said, Scotty, about, 00:22:05.65\00:22:07.36 you know, 00:22:07.39\00:22:08.72 turning His face on witchcraft and all that stuff, 00:22:08.76\00:22:10.43 if somebody is watching right now 00:22:10.46\00:22:12.33 and they happen to be involved in witchcraft, 00:22:12.36\00:22:14.73 in sorcery, or something, 00:22:14.73\00:22:16.33 you're not saying 00:22:16.36\00:22:17.70 that God doesn't still desire a relationship with them. 00:22:17.73\00:22:20.34 Correct? No. No. No. 00:22:20.40\00:22:21.90 Definitely. 00:22:21.94\00:22:23.27 You know, God is very patient time and time again. 00:22:23.30\00:22:26.14 I mean you just look at the people of Nineveh, 00:22:26.17\00:22:28.11 right? 00:22:28.14\00:22:29.48 You know, here, 00:22:29.51\00:22:30.85 He's having this conversation with Jonah. 00:22:30.91\00:22:32.45 And Jonah is ready to do just away with Him. 00:22:32.48\00:22:34.32 And he's upset that God won't take them out. 00:22:34.35\00:22:36.52 But here, this whole city has turned their back on God, 00:22:36.55\00:22:39.95 and God's sitting there having a conversation with Jonah 00:22:40.02\00:22:42.19 saying, "These are people. 00:22:42.22\00:22:44.83 I want to save these people." 00:22:44.86\00:22:46.29 So God is very patient with us, 00:22:46.33\00:22:48.73 but He takes witchcraft and sorcery very seriously 00:22:48.76\00:22:51.63 because of the end result 00:22:51.67\00:22:53.27 of where it leads you down the road. 00:22:53.30\00:22:55.04 Yes. 00:22:55.07\00:22:56.40 And let's look a little bit about the affect 00:22:56.44\00:22:58.11 of these kinds of movies, 00:22:58.14\00:23:00.61 these heavy-action movies on the brain 00:23:00.68\00:23:03.98 'cause you had mentioned something off-camera 00:23:04.05\00:23:06.51 and I think we should share it with our audience too 00:23:06.55\00:23:08.45 about what happens to the brain. 00:23:08.48\00:23:10.89 Either one of you can talk about it. 00:23:10.92\00:23:12.25 Go ahead, Scotty. Sure. 00:23:12.29\00:23:13.62 You know, as you are really watching like fast-paced, 00:23:13.66\00:23:18.53 you have to consider the technology 00:23:18.56\00:23:20.30 that you're paying attention to. 00:23:20.33\00:23:21.73 It's 24 frames, 24 pictures per second, 00:23:21.76\00:23:27.14 and that's a lot of... 00:23:27.20\00:23:29.14 you know, things, information for your brain 00:23:29.17\00:23:31.11 to try to wrap itself around. 00:23:31.14\00:23:34.04 So, you know, a lot of this... 00:23:34.08\00:23:36.58 What happens in the brain 00:23:36.61\00:23:37.98 in order to compensate 00:23:38.01\00:23:39.35 for that much influx of information 00:23:39.38\00:23:42.28 is it opens up the mind. 00:23:42.32\00:23:43.89 And you make thoughts off your frontal lobe, 00:23:43.95\00:23:46.62 as we are discussing right here, you know, 00:23:46.65\00:23:48.02 your frontal lobe is engaged and interactive. 00:23:48.06\00:23:50.63 But when you start really 00:23:50.69\00:23:52.53 watching this fast-paced entertainment, 00:23:52.56\00:23:54.76 your brain then starts to shut off the frontal lobe 00:23:54.83\00:23:57.60 and it reacts off of the limbic system, 00:23:57.63\00:24:00.04 which is your emotional system, 00:24:00.07\00:24:01.80 and it opens your mind 00:24:01.84\00:24:03.17 so that you can just intake all of the information 00:24:03.20\00:24:06.44 but you don't make conscious decisions 00:24:06.47\00:24:08.68 as it's coming in. 00:24:08.71\00:24:10.45 So that's what's scary to me 00:24:10.48\00:24:11.81 is all of these little seeds can be planted 00:24:11.85\00:24:14.35 in someone's mind, 00:24:14.38\00:24:15.72 and they're not sitting there going... 00:24:15.75\00:24:17.09 How many people have honestly 00:24:17.12\00:24:18.45 had a Bible study after they watched the movie? 00:24:18.49\00:24:19.85 Right? 00:24:19.89\00:24:21.22 Come out of the movie theater, 00:24:21.26\00:24:22.59 it's not like you're sitting around going, 00:24:22.62\00:24:23.96 "Let's talk about the spiritual component 00:24:24.03\00:24:25.36 of this movie." 00:24:25.39\00:24:26.73 Right? Yeah. 00:24:26.76\00:24:28.06 You let that sit in your mind and that will take root 00:24:28.10\00:24:30.13 and get watered down the road. 00:24:30.17\00:24:31.50 And to add, that could be the reason 00:24:31.53\00:24:33.10 why part of backlash may be with some 00:24:33.13\00:24:35.94 is because their reasoning from an emotional 00:24:35.97\00:24:39.17 because they are receiving it from an emotional, 00:24:39.21\00:24:41.21 not from a Biblical logical system. 00:24:41.24\00:24:43.08 'Cause it's not principle-oriented. 00:24:43.11\00:24:44.78 It's got to be principle-oriented. 00:24:44.81\00:24:46.15 That's right. And that's what we always have to go back to. 00:24:46.18\00:24:49.35 You can't rely on your emotions. 00:24:49.38\00:24:52.19 You can't rely on how you feel about something 00:24:52.22\00:24:54.99 that makes you feel good, so it's okay. 00:24:55.02\00:24:57.19 No, what does the Bible say? 00:24:57.23\00:24:59.03 If we truly are Christians and we truly are determined 00:24:59.06\00:25:03.57 to live according to the Bible and have the Bible 00:25:03.60\00:25:05.67 as the final arbiter of what we do, 00:25:05.70\00:25:08.57 then it's got to be by that. 00:25:08.60\00:25:11.24 Galatians says, "We or an angel 00:25:11.27\00:25:13.51 come and preach any of the gospel or message 00:25:13.58\00:25:15.64 unto you contrary 00:25:15.68\00:25:17.25 to which you have received let him be accursed." 00:25:17.28\00:25:19.15 So therefore, even if it comes in a form 00:25:19.18\00:25:21.78 that's familiar to my culture, 00:25:21.82\00:25:23.79 even they may be a brother or a sister, 00:25:23.82\00:25:25.89 I got to reject it. 00:25:25.92\00:25:27.26 It's going against the word. 00:25:27.29\00:25:28.62 Right. Right. 00:25:28.66\00:25:30.03 The very basis of spiritualism has its root 00:25:30.06\00:25:31.89 in changing the Word of God. 00:25:31.93\00:25:33.70 That's what the snake was doing in the Garden of Eden. 00:25:33.73\00:25:35.90 God said, "Eat this fruit, you're gonna die." 00:25:35.93\00:25:37.37 Right? 00:25:37.43\00:25:38.77 And the devil said, "No, you won't die." 00:25:38.80\00:25:40.84 He's changing the Words of God. 00:25:40.90\00:25:43.00 All spiritualism is designed for the exact same thing. 00:25:43.04\00:25:45.31 All it's gonna do is change the word. 00:25:45.34\00:25:47.34 So when you watch something with spiritualism in it 00:25:47.38\00:25:50.25 that is contrary to your Bible, you know what I mean? 00:25:50.31\00:25:53.25 If it's teaching you something that's different, 00:25:53.28\00:25:55.22 it's changing what God has given to us. 00:25:55.25\00:25:58.52 Wow. The change is gradual. 00:25:58.55\00:26:00.69 That's right. The change is gradual. 00:26:00.72\00:26:02.66 So people will say it doesn't affect me 00:26:02.69\00:26:04.06 but what happens is that it may not affect you 00:26:04.09\00:26:07.03 to will you do it but will accept it. 00:26:07.03\00:26:09.66 Right. 00:26:09.70\00:26:11.03 And by your influence to others, it's okay. 00:26:11.07\00:26:12.40 Right. 00:26:12.43\00:26:14.40 Now we're gonna show the actual documentary here 00:26:14.44\00:26:18.11 on Dare to Dream. 00:26:18.14\00:26:19.47 But if people wanna purchase the DVD, 00:26:19.51\00:26:21.61 if they want to get the DVD, where can they go, Dr. O? 00:26:21.64\00:26:24.28 They can go to my website 00:26:24.31\00:26:26.01 at www.ProjectLatterain.org, 00:26:26.05\00:26:29.85 www.ProjectLatterain.org, 00:26:29.88\00:26:32.62 and go to the Products section, 00:26:32.65\00:26:34.26 and you can order your copy. 00:26:34.29\00:26:35.62 Okay. 00:26:35.66\00:26:37.03 And they can also get it from... 00:26:37.06\00:26:38.73 LittleLightStudios.tv Gotcha. 00:26:38.76\00:26:41.26 So you can find it on there. 00:26:41.30\00:26:42.63 There is a shop there 00:26:42.66\00:26:44.03 and you can look at the trailer. 00:26:44.07\00:26:45.40 I think, we also have it in digital download on Vimeo. 00:26:45.43\00:26:47.60 Okay. 00:26:47.64\00:26:48.97 If you would rather have a digital copy, 00:26:49.00\00:26:50.34 that's available as well. 00:26:50.37\00:26:51.71 Multiple options. That's great. 00:26:51.74\00:26:53.07 And you have other options too. 00:26:53.11\00:26:55.48 One of the wonderful things about your ministry 00:26:55.51\00:26:57.21 is that you do a lot of these kinds of documentaries 00:26:57.25\00:27:01.22 and things like that, and we really thank you 00:27:01.25\00:27:03.65 for what you've been doing 00:27:03.72\00:27:05.22 and we appreciate what you did as well, Dr. O, 00:27:05.25\00:27:08.32 with this particular one 00:27:08.36\00:27:09.72 because this Black Panther Deception 00:27:09.76\00:27:13.53 is a powerful thing. 00:27:13.56\00:27:15.33 It's a powerful thing. 00:27:15.36\00:27:16.70 It was a team effort, 00:27:16.77\00:27:18.10 the combination of divinity and humanity. 00:27:18.13\00:27:19.50 Amen. Amen. 00:27:19.53\00:27:20.87 Thank you so much for being with us. 00:27:20.94\00:27:22.47 We really appreciate it. You want to say something, Jay? 00:27:22.50\00:27:23.84 Absolutely. 00:27:23.91\00:27:25.24 You know, I mean, I was just impressed 00:27:25.27\00:27:26.81 when I watched the documentary, 00:27:26.88\00:27:29.21 and I'm looking forward to airing it on Dare to Dream. 00:27:29.24\00:27:31.11 I am looking forward to you checking it out, watching it, 00:27:31.15\00:27:34.55 writing us, and telling us what you think about it. 00:27:34.58\00:27:37.09 That's right. That's right. 00:27:37.12\00:27:38.45 Make sure that you check with our schedule 00:27:38.49\00:27:40.79 so that you'll know when it's gonna air 00:27:40.86\00:27:43.46 because you are not gonna want to miss it. 00:27:43.53\00:27:45.83 I can't believe, our time is up. 00:27:45.86\00:27:47.86 I know it went by way to fast. 00:27:47.93\00:27:49.23 I know it. I know it. 00:27:49.26\00:27:50.63 Well, we reached the end of another program. 00:27:50.67\00:27:52.17 Thank you so much for tuning in. 00:27:52.20\00:27:53.80 Make sure that everything you do 00:27:53.84\00:27:55.54 lines up with the Word. 00:27:55.57\00:27:58.84 Join us next time because it wouldn't be the same 00:27:58.87\00:28:00.81 without you. 00:28:00.84\00:28:02.54