Do you think that miracles
are a thing of the past?
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Well, stay tuned to
meet a man who will share
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the story of God's miraculous
interventions in his life.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis Shelton.
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And I'm Jason Bradley,
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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I'm your host
Yvonne Lewis Shelton.
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And I'm pleased to
have as my co-host, my son,
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the general manager
of Dare to Dream network,
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Jason Bradley.
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Yay!
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It's good to be here with you.
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Yes, it's so good
to be with you Jay
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and to have our
special guest here,
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Larren Cole, he is
an author, speaker,
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and director of Desire Media.
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Welcome to Urban Report, Larren.
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Thank you, Yvonne.
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Thank you very much, Jason.
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Good to be here.
Good to have you.
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Excited to be on Urban Report.
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Yeah.
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It's my first
time on Dare to Dream.
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We run into each
other at a lot of events.
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We do.
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ASI, GYC...
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Those are highlights
for me, Yvonne and Jason.
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Oh, no.
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Nice, nice.
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And we're
really glad to have you
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because we've talked to
you over the past few years
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and we haven't had a
chance to talk to you
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on Dare to Dream.
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And you have such
amazing testimonies.
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I mean you have
more than one miracle
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that's happened in your life.
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And so we want to
just kind of share
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with our viewers your journey.
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So let's talk
about your journey?
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Where were you born?
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I was born in
Riverside, California.
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Oh.
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I'm a Californian native.
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Okay.
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Yup.
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I went to Loma Linda University,
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graduated there with a
degree in physical therapy,
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where I met my wife,
Mickey, we have five children.
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And yeah, I am no
longer in ministry, I mean,
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in physical therapy
anymore which I graduated from.
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But now I'm full time ministry
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working with Desire
Media like you mentioned.
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That's wonderful.
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So were you raised
in a Christian home?
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What was your
home like as a child?
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Our home was a Christian
home and an Adventist home.
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My parents were
good Christian family.
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But there was a few things
missing in our home, like,
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things like family worship
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and things like guarding
our environment, you know.
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They were nominal.
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I wouldn't say
they were good people,
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but I would say
more nominal Christian.
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You know, we knew we
are Adventist actually.
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So the only thing I
really knew about our religion
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really was that we went
to church on a funny day.
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We didn't eat pork.
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So other than that,
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that was that sort of
defined my early childhood.
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I knew that was my religion.
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We have a
picture of your family.
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And I think they put it before,
but let's take a look at it
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and so you can
tell us who is who.
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Okay, there is a big tall guy,
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that's my good looking
dad who is now deceased.
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He had Parkinson's,
he died in 2012 or '11.
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And right on the
one side is my mother
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and the funny looking
person in front is myself
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with sunglasses.
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So I was really cool, wasn't I?
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And then in the
middle, that's my sister,
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my older sister.
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So that was our family
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and that's a picture
of us in Bakersfield,
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California.
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And mom is deceased also.
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She had cancer at age 56.
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And so we're kind of orphaned.
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Yeah, it's a strange
feeling not having...
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My parents predeceased
me when I'm just four years.
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It's just a weird
feeling with your parents gone.
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Yeah, when my mother died,
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it was the first
real close person
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I've ever had
that ever died on me.
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And it was just
devastating, I mean,
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it was really hard to cope with.
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How old were you when she died?
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I was probably 29,
30ish somewhere in there.
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Wow.
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How did that make you
feel at that particular time
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being so young, 29
or 30, I can't imagine.
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Yeah, she had cancer.
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So yeah, she
battled cancer for a while
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and for two years and so.
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Yeah, that just...
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I have never experienced
a close person dying.
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You know, a lot of people died.
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Even when I was
in seventh grade,
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one of my best friends died.
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But he wasn't
close like my mother.
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But, yeah, it was
just, that's hard, I mean,
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it's devastating
that she was so young,
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you know, she's beautiful.
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She was a beautiful woman
and just a wonderful person.
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What kind of impact
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did that have on
your faith at that time?
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Well, at that
time I had drifted away
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from my belief in God.
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I don't know if
you call me an atheist,
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you know, I meet,
I know atheists now.
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And atheists are
more people who are,
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I would say they're
generally angry at God,
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they believe in God, but
they say they're atheists.
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So I think they're most,
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for the most part
they're angry with God
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so that wasn't me really.
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But I had drifted away from God,
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spent no time with God, my,
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you know, I kind of drifted away
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from my early
childhood upbringing,
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and drifted into the world.
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And because of my
lifestyle and things like that,
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I had no time to spend
with God and so I drifted away
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from my belief in God.
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And I would call myself more
of an agnostic at that point.
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And so when she's...
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Her death and
we'll get into this,
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I guess a little bit later,
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but her death is a catalyst
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that sort of God
used in a powerful way
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to bring me back to God,
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my belief in God, so.
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Yeah, so, it was a blessing
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other than that was very tragic.
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Yes, oh, yes.
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So when you're growing
up you had your family.
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You had your dad, your mom,
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you had an intact
family growing up.
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And then, and you grew up
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in kind of a nominal
Christian environment.
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So what happened in your
life that began to pull you
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even further away from God?
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Well, see my dad,
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he became an
Adventist to marry with,
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before he married,
when he met my mother,
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she kind of helped convert him.
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And she was already
grown up in the church.
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She went to La
Sierra University.
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She knew Del Delker. Okay.
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She was a real
Adventist, you know.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
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But, La Sierra and...
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So I would say what happened,
so, you know, we grew up,
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my mom and dad
sent me to public school
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that nothing
against public school,
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I had a good education.
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But it's not the most conducive
for spiritual upbringing
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that keep you close to God,
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it's not the place to be really.
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I'm sorry, many of us
have to go to public school
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and we were very
poor growing up and so.
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My dad, he started
out extremely poor.
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He grew up in the humid Arizona
in that area in the deserts.
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And he was very, very poor.
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But when he met my
mom, he got into farming,
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and he just worked his way up
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from being poor to
being a millionaire.
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He became very wealthy.
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And we were used to
hard work, he was a farmer,
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you know, a ranch,
not a ranch but a farmer,
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a commercial farming
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in the southern
San Joaquin Valley
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near the Bakersfield area, so.
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Yeah, it's interesting.
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Excuse me one second
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but it's like when
you think of farmers,
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you don't think of
wealth, necessarily.
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And that's my ignorance.
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I mean, I just...
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You know, I
don't think of wealth.
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Out here, we're driving
around in the cornfields
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of southern Illinois here.
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It looks like the other
guy with the suspenders on
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and the overalls
with the cone hat
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or the straw hat,
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you think of that
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when you're kind of
roaming on these little farms,
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but this is commercial farming,
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high tech equipment,
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you know, airplanes spraying,
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these in the
southern California.
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This is the bread
basket of the world,
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is San Joaquin Valley.
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But so we had about a
1000 acres and my dad just,
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you know, he
built, he worked so hard.
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So he worked his way up
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basically from
poverty to wealth.
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And see that's, I
mean this is Dare to Dream.
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That is. That is
Dare to Dream story.
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So we want to know
more about what he did?
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He was so poor.
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I mean he told me of stories
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where he had to
go out in the desert
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and shoot a jack
rabbit just to find some food.
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So yeah, he was really driven
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and worked really hard.
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How did he get his first...?
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Where did the first
opportunity come from?
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Well, his opportunities
came with my mother's father,
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he was a farmer,
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and he sort of
pioneered this area
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in the southern
San Joaquin Valley,
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he partnered with
Southern Pacific Railroad
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which was leasing
out the sections of land.
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And so my dad since he
married into the family,
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he got the
opportunity to work for grandpa.
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And he tried to work
his way into a partnership.
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My grandpa was
really reluctant to that.
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So what happened,
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my dad sort of went
off on his own for a while.
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And then he was successful there
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and so my grandpa
instantly brought him back in...
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That's partnering,
now ready for partnering.
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Right, right, right.
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So, and he was a good partner.
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And if you
wanted a good partner,
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my dad was a good partner
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'cause he'll put
in long, long hours.
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And yeah, so he worked,
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you know, he
partnered with banks.
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The banks were always
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big financing
part of the farming,
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commercial farming, it's a bank.
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My dad, I
remember going with him
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to meetings in the bank
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where they meet and
talk about these big numbers
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where they're going to
borrow all the money, it was.
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So they borrowed money,
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and they farm,
and it's high risk,
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and high reward.
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But you can have some
pretty big losses too though.
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Yeah, yeah.
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So how did your dad's
work ethic impact you?
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Well, it was good
'cause we spent...
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I learned how to put
in long hours, you know.
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I don't know if that was good,
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I guess I was
good but he paid us.
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Yeah.
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It was very
minimum kind of wage.
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But it was actually
before they had a minimum wage
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as I remember the
minimum wage coming in
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and all these labor laws
coming in back in those days.
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And he didn't
like that very much.
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But yeah, so but the
only downside was it instilled
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a love of money I think for me.
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You know, I had this
desire to be wealthy.
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And the Bible says,
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the love of money is
the root of all evil.
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And I found out
that is kind of true
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because it's
not really the love,
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desire to be wealthy.
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I think that would
be a better translation
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the desire to be wealthy
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can lead you into
all kinds of evil.
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Absolutely.
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Yeah, so that was there.
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Where did it lead you?
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Well, my mother
on the other hand
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just as godly, was pure,
you know, saint of a lady.
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I'm surprised she got
hooked up with my father,
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but she did and
that was ordained.
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She got a tie on him, and
cleaned him up quite a bit.
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And she had good
intentions for us.
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But like I said we
were in public school
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and we learned all
kinds of things there,
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you know, out fighting and,
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like I mentioned
one of my best friends
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in the seventh grade,
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he was stabbed and
shot in a family feud.
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And I ended up being a
pallbearer in his funeral.
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But we learn things
like, you know, just stealing,
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just things that
Christian should not be doing.
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But one day my mother thinking
to do a good thing for us,
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she brought home
a Christian record,
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seems harmless enough.
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It was a well
known Christian group
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at the time like
around the 1970 era.
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And if I mention
the name which I won't,
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everybody would
recognize the group.
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But they didn't have
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contemporary
Christian music back then.
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But this might
have qualified for that.
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So she brought this album home
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and we were playing it.
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And nine out of the ten songs
were good Christian songs folk,
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you know, the
traditional, sacred music songs.
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But there was one song on there
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that had sort of a rock and roll
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kind of rhythm in the back
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which is kind of new
for that kind of time,
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Christian rock,
that was kind of,
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you know, that was
kind of almost unheard of.
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Yes.
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But, so when I
heard that one song,
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you know, I had not
been exposed to that.
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And it's sort of,
you know, rock music is,
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it's kind of
charming and it's kind of get,
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it got, it charmed me.
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And I thought, so
I listen to that song
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over and over again.
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You know, I
thought this is cool.
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You know, it
makes you feel kind of,
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makes me want to move a
little bit and I thought,
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so I played that
song over and over.
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My mom hadn't noticed that
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and so since
she sort of felt bad
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just to listen to that record.
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Back in those days parents
could tell their children
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that rock and roll is bad,
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but they couldn't tell us why.
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I remember that
and being confused
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by that a little bit.
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But so that seed was planted
in me and it kind of grew,
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you know.
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I got unwatered every
once in a while and so...
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Were you musician or singer?
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No, not at all at the time.
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But I took every opportunity
to hear that kind of music,
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you know, in public school.
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I remember one day
the public school bus,
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they installed a radio on it.
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I mean radio that probably
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wasn't a good idea for the kids.
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But we all want the bus driver
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to tune into the
rock and roll station.
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So here I'm listening
to this and I'm really,
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I can feel the
rhythms there how they kind of
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influence your
thinking, you know.
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And so I really got into this.
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And as the years went by,
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I developed a taste for
this and I started to take,
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I took drum lessons two years
on percussion drum lessons.
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And I decided one day
00:13:40.95\00:13:43.92
under the prompting
of a friend of mine up
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and when I had
moved out that I decided,
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I want to be in the
rock music business,
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you know, crazy, crazy
thing to think of but...
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But, so I found another
friend a friend of mine.
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His name was Greg
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and he had a similar aspiration,
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a goal in life.
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He wanted to be in
the rock music business.
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Here's a picture
of Greg on the right,
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I'm the guy with the hat,
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the funny looking guy
with the hat on there.
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Greg was a concert pianist.
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And he was the
most talented musician
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I think I've ever...
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I mean he could fight anything.
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So he was a really good asset.
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We got together.
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And for some reason I
don't know what was wrong
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with use brain,
00:14:24.23\00:14:25.56
we thought we
were the most talented
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with greatest passions.
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Now what you...
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Were you playing
drums at the time?
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I was playing.
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Yeah, I was a percussionist
and the lead singer
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if you can believe that.
00:14:35.70\00:14:37.97
So we got together, we
formed this two person,
00:14:38.01\00:14:40.88
what we would call a band,
00:14:40.91\00:14:42.64
new wave rock
music kind of thing.
00:14:42.68\00:14:44.61
And I was the singer,
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and there was a picture of us.
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Well, I'll get to
that in a second but...
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Well, we actually
managed to get a manager.
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A manager picked us up
00:14:55.69\00:14:57.49
and got us
introduced us to people
00:14:57.53\00:14:59.79
and our manager one day managed
00:14:59.83\00:15:01.36
to get us a recording contract
00:15:01.40\00:15:03.37
in North
Hollywood with a producer.
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It's actually a
production contract
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with a guy named Hank Dunning.
00:15:08.20\00:15:10.04
And I tried to find Hank,
00:15:10.07\00:15:11.54
I can't find this
guy for the life of me.
00:15:11.57\00:15:14.24
But he presented us a contract.
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We spent a lot
of time, Greg and I,
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we spend a lot of time
putting together a demo.
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And, you know, looking back,
you know, it's just ridiculous.
00:15:24.55\00:15:27.16
But it was actually
pretty decent, it was a decent,
00:15:27.19\00:15:30.59
what you would call a demo
for that back in those days.
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It was just two of you?
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Just a two of us, yeah.
00:15:33.83\00:15:35.16
So piano and drums.
00:15:35.20\00:15:36.53
Well, yeah, we had
multi tracker equipment
00:15:36.56\00:15:38.83
in there,
00:15:38.87\00:15:40.20
so this is recording.
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We had a recording studio.
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We lived on my father's ranch
00:15:43.84\00:15:46.21
on a pink mobile home
with a bit of expanding.
00:15:46.24\00:15:50.28
And we were just
sort of holed up in there,
00:15:50.31\00:15:51.71
you know, like some bandits
00:15:51.75\00:15:53.08
and then we got to go out
and then we'd only come out
00:15:53.11\00:15:54.72
just enough to work a little bit
00:15:54.75\00:15:56.18
as little as we had to
get some money for food
00:15:56.22\00:15:58.95
and music equipment.
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So we did, we spent all
we had on this ambition.
00:16:01.16\00:16:04.89
So were you immersing yourself
in the culture of rock and roll
00:16:04.93\00:16:09.36
as well?
00:16:09.40\00:16:11.03
A little bit.
00:16:11.07\00:16:12.40
But we were more
immersing ourselves in our demo.
00:16:12.43\00:16:14.37
Our whole goal was to
get a demo because we knew...
00:16:14.40\00:16:17.74
I knew he had talent
and he for some reason
00:16:17.77\00:16:19.64
he had faith in
my talent, you know.
00:16:19.67\00:16:21.88
And if you want
to call that singing,
00:16:21.91\00:16:23.35
you know, you could say
we had faith in each other.
00:16:23.38\00:16:27.02
And we just knew
00:16:27.05\00:16:29.05
we were going to go
somewhere, you know.
00:16:29.08\00:16:30.49
And were you
spiritually at this point?
00:16:30.52\00:16:33.59
Well, you know, I had
forgotten God basically,
00:16:33.62\00:16:36.93
you know, but I wasn't
thinking about my spirituality,
00:16:36.96\00:16:39.59
you know, no church,
you know, I'm on my own,
00:16:39.63\00:16:42.00
I don't have to go
to church, you know.
00:16:42.03\00:16:43.63
How old were you?
00:16:43.67\00:16:45.53
This would be early 20's.
00:16:45.57\00:16:46.90
Okay. Yeah, early 20's.
00:16:46.94\00:16:48.64
My parents did their job
and when I was out of the nest
00:16:48.67\00:16:51.01
and it was...
00:16:51.04\00:16:52.37
But here I am living on
my father's property and so,
00:16:52.41\00:16:54.98
and here we are
building our studio
00:16:55.01\00:16:57.11
and building our demo.
00:16:57.15\00:16:59.31
I remember, when I
bought my reel to reel,
00:16:59.35\00:17:02.48
back in those days
00:17:02.52\00:17:03.85
we didn't have
digital recording.
00:17:03.89\00:17:05.22
So we got a reel to
reel multitrack recorder.
00:17:05.25\00:17:06.59
I bought it from the guy
who produced the commercial,
00:17:06.62\00:17:10.69
Milk It Does a Body Good.
00:17:10.73\00:17:12.06
You remember that? Oh, yeah.
00:17:12.09\00:17:13.43
Milk It Does a Body Good
which is not true really,
00:17:13.46\00:17:15.83
however another story.
00:17:15.86\00:17:17.20
That's another, yeah,
it's another conversation.
00:17:17.23\00:17:19.17
But anyway, bought
that reel to reel from him.
00:17:19.20\00:17:20.64
We would go to,
00:17:20.67\00:17:22.00
there was a picture up
there of West L.A. music
00:17:22.04\00:17:23.37
which is this
music store of the stars
00:17:23.41\00:17:26.01
and we would meet people there.
00:17:26.04\00:17:27.38
I got drums there, I
got microphones, we would...
00:17:27.41\00:17:31.58
When we had a
little bit of money
00:17:31.61\00:17:32.95
that's where we're going.
00:17:32.98\00:17:34.32
We go there and
we build our studio.
00:17:34.35\00:17:35.85
Finally we had the demo done.
00:17:35.88\00:17:38.79
And then we've got a
manager, can you believe that.
00:17:38.82\00:17:41.49
You know, people believed in us.
00:17:41.52\00:17:43.49
Satan sends these people
along to help us out, you know.
00:17:43.53\00:17:46.39
If we're not on the right track,
00:17:46.43\00:17:47.76
the devil is
right there to lead us.
00:17:47.80\00:17:49.23
Yes, he is.
00:17:49.26\00:17:50.60
And so we got this
recording contract,
00:17:50.63\00:17:53.20
Hank Dunning
produced us, he liked it.
00:17:53.23\00:17:55.50
You know he
said, "I'll take it."
00:17:55.54\00:17:56.87
And he had the
recording contract...
00:17:56.91\00:17:58.74
My manager had
a meeting with us,
00:17:58.77\00:18:00.24
he had the
contract out there, "Boys,
00:18:00.28\00:18:01.81
all you got to
do is sign on the...
00:18:01.84\00:18:03.18
You know, this is like
this typical movie you see,
00:18:03.21\00:18:04.71
sign on the line
and you're in business."
00:18:04.75\00:18:06.11
Boy, we're going
to Capitol Records
00:18:06.15\00:18:07.48
right over the hill.
00:18:07.52\00:18:08.95
And we got a little skeptical,
00:18:08.98\00:18:11.35
you know, I
thought that was too easy.
00:18:11.39\00:18:13.42
I thought that Lord did that.
Before you signed, you mean...
00:18:13.46\00:18:15.72
We didn't sign it. Okay.
00:18:15.76\00:18:18.49
Let's think about it.
00:18:18.53\00:18:20.06
And you saw a
picture of Studio Boulevard,
00:18:20.10\00:18:22.53
and this is where lot of...
00:18:22.56\00:18:23.90
Yeah, see on the left
there, Studio Boulevard.
00:18:23.93\00:18:25.67
We went down from,
Hank Dunning was upstairs,
00:18:25.70\00:18:27.44
a little studio there and
we went across the street,
00:18:27.47\00:18:29.70
there were studios everywhere
out there on Studio Boulevard.
00:18:29.74\00:18:32.47
So we just went over there
00:18:32.51\00:18:33.84
and there we found the
studio right across the street,
00:18:33.88\00:18:35.28
we thought we're going to
check Hank out a little bit.
00:18:35.31\00:18:37.25
Maybe see, know little
bit more about this guy
00:18:37.28\00:18:40.75
as we were thinking about it.
00:18:40.78\00:18:42.12
So the studio right across
the street had some security,
00:18:42.15\00:18:44.65
we managed somehow
to get into the studio
00:18:44.69\00:18:46.72
and we met the producer there.
00:18:46.76\00:18:48.72
He was a producer for Kim Carnes
00:18:48.76\00:18:51.29
and I think Linda
Ronstadt, and Neil Young.
00:18:51.33\00:18:55.06
Jason, you know
who Neil Young is?
00:18:55.10\00:18:56.43
I don't.
00:18:56.46\00:18:57.80
Good for you.
00:18:57.83\00:18:59.17
But you do, right?
00:18:59.20\00:19:00.54
I know Linda
Ronstadt and Kim Carnes.
00:19:00.57\00:19:03.07
You probably know
them personally, right?
00:19:03.10\00:19:04.57
No, no, no, no.
00:19:04.61\00:19:06.27
I had never met them,
but I know who they are.
00:19:06.31\00:19:08.48
Yeah. Yeah.
00:19:08.51\00:19:09.84
Well, anyway, so we
go, hey, we're probably,
00:19:09.88\00:19:11.21
this is better than
Hank Dunning over there.
00:19:11.25\00:19:12.71
He had a few names,
00:19:12.75\00:19:14.08
but he didn't have
Linda Ronstadt, you know.
00:19:14.12\00:19:16.48
Right, right.
00:19:16.52\00:19:17.85
And so, we said,
00:19:17.89\00:19:19.35
"Wait, do you know
anything about the guy
00:19:19.39\00:19:20.72
across the street,
there is Hank Dunning."
00:19:20.76\00:19:22.32
And he goes,
"Yeah, I know Hank."
00:19:22.36\00:19:24.56
I said, "Well, we've
got a contract with him
00:19:24.59\00:19:26.59
and we were wondering if you...
00:19:26.63\00:19:28.03
We're looking for
a recommendation."
00:19:28.06\00:19:30.23
And he said, "Well, he said,
I know Hank, I don't think,
00:19:30.27\00:19:34.47
he said, I don't
think Hank is the right guy
00:19:34.50\00:19:36.44
for you really, I
mean, he's a nice man,"
00:19:36.47\00:19:38.74
but he said we might be
able to take a look at your demo
00:19:38.77\00:19:41.84
and take a look
at if you have one,
00:19:41.88\00:19:44.78
we'll take a look at it.
00:19:44.81\00:19:46.15
You know, 'cause
we kind of looked
00:19:46.18\00:19:47.52
the part at the time,
00:19:47.55\00:19:48.88
you know, we had the
look, you know, it might sell,
00:19:48.92\00:19:50.59
those guys could, you
know, goofy as they look,
00:19:50.62\00:19:52.52
they can probably sell,
00:19:52.55\00:19:53.89
so I'm supposed
you're my partner there.
00:19:53.92\00:19:55.39
I was a goof off.
00:19:55.42\00:19:59.23
So you guys were kind of
shopping around little bit?
00:19:59.26\00:20:01.63
But we weren't until then.
00:20:01.66\00:20:03.30
As soon as we have the...
00:20:03.33\00:20:04.67
It was too easy
to get that contract,
00:20:04.70\00:20:06.03
we thought, "Well,
maybe that was too easy."
00:20:06.07\00:20:07.40
So we came back and told
Hank, we'll think about it.
00:20:07.44\00:20:12.27
And so we left my manager there,
00:20:12.31\00:20:13.64
we left Hank
there, and we went home.
00:20:13.68\00:20:15.18
And for some reason,
00:20:15.21\00:20:16.54
we started to get into trouble,
mischief, and even crime.
00:20:16.58\00:20:20.42
I'm sorry to report.
00:20:20.45\00:20:21.82
But just for the thrill of it,
00:20:21.85\00:20:24.05
we would do
things that were wrong
00:20:24.09\00:20:26.19
just to impress each
other maybe, I'm not sure why.
00:20:26.22\00:20:28.09
But one thing led to another
00:20:28.12\00:20:31.53
and eventually
our group broke up,
00:20:31.56\00:20:35.26
and I was arrested one
day for a grand-theft-auto,
00:20:35.30\00:20:39.90
and I found myself in court,
00:20:39.93\00:20:42.37
in court facing some
very serious charges.
00:20:42.40\00:20:47.01
One of which was
grand-theft-auto,
00:20:47.04\00:20:49.04
the other three charges were.
00:20:49.08\00:20:51.95
Well, lying to a police officer,
00:20:51.98\00:20:53.72
receiving stolen
goods, selling stolen goods.
00:20:53.75\00:20:55.65
You know, we had been
doing things like that.
00:20:55.68\00:20:57.52
And so here I am,
I'm in court one day.
00:20:57.55\00:21:03.59
I had already
lied to my attorney
00:21:03.63\00:21:05.66
about what happened, you know.
00:21:05.69\00:21:07.36
And I'm at my arraignment.
00:21:07.40\00:21:08.73
You know what
arraignment is in court?
00:21:08.76\00:21:10.90
You stand before a judge,
you plead guilty or not guilty.
00:21:10.93\00:21:13.03
Well, that's the
first step of a trial.
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I pled not guilty, even
though I really was guilty.
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And I remember on court day,
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when it was time to go to court.
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Just before the
court session started,
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I showed up, you know,
00:21:26.65\00:21:27.98
I haven't slept the
night before at all.
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I'm stressed out
00:21:29.38\00:21:30.72
more than I've ever
been stressed out in my life.
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And this is stress
'cause I had a lie prepared.
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You know, the Bible
says I think in Isaiah 40,
00:21:34.69\00:21:36.96
"There is no
peace for the wicked,
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for the lawless person."
00:21:39.53\00:21:40.86
And that's me, and I didn't
know a person could experience
00:21:40.90\00:21:44.80
so much stress, you know.
00:21:44.83\00:21:46.17
And so here it is,
00:21:46.20\00:21:47.54
I didn't sleep at all
hardly the night before.
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I get to court
nervous as can be.
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They put me in a
little waiting room in...
00:21:51.44\00:21:55.28
waiting area before,
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where the defendants go
00:21:56.68\00:21:58.01
before they go
into the court scene.
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So I'm all by myself in
there and waiting, and waiting,
00:22:00.02\00:22:02.62
stressing, and sweating it
out and, you know, and thinking,
00:22:02.65\00:22:05.29
trying to
rehearse my lie, you know.
00:22:05.32\00:22:08.69
And that is not a
comfortable feeling.
00:22:08.72\00:22:10.93
Well, my attorney came in,
00:22:10.96\00:22:12.73
court appointed
attorney came into the room,
00:22:12.76\00:22:14.83
he says, he sat down
across the table from me
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with a real
serious look on his face
00:22:17.10\00:22:18.87
and he said, "Larren, the court
wants to make a deal with you."
00:22:18.90\00:22:24.64
He says, it's a plea bargain.
You heard of a plea bargain?
00:22:24.67\00:22:29.91
He says, "If you will
change your plea to guilty,
00:22:29.94\00:22:34.95
the court will significantly
reduce your sentence
00:22:34.98\00:22:37.62
and instead of
spending ten years in jail
00:22:37.65\00:22:39.85
if you're found guilty
00:22:39.89\00:22:41.22
you'll only spend
two years in jail.
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And that two years can be spent
00:22:43.46\00:22:46.46
on a work release
program in 45 days.
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So they really
twisted my arm here.
00:22:50.43\00:22:52.07
I mean, I was
ready to go in there
00:22:52.10\00:22:54.44
and, you know, do the thing
00:22:54.47\00:22:56.34
I had planned to do
which was not a good thing.
00:22:56.37\00:22:59.07
But he left me, he told
me about the plea bargain,
00:22:59.11\00:23:02.38
and then he left
me to think it over.
00:23:02.41\00:23:04.48
So I'm there thinking
it over, what do I do,
00:23:04.51\00:23:07.02
I'm thinking 10
years, are you serious."
00:23:07.05\00:23:09.65
They're going to put 10 years.
00:23:09.68\00:23:11.49
'Cause it was
grand-theft Grand-theft-auto.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah.
That's not a good thing.
00:23:14.39\00:23:16.22
It's not grand. Grand, yeah.
00:23:16.26\00:23:18.33
Then if you plead guilty
and you accept that charges
00:23:18.36\00:23:21.33
with the rest of
your life unless...
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I don't even know if you can get
00:23:23.26\00:23:24.60
that expunged to your record.
00:23:24.63\00:23:25.97
I don't know.
00:23:26.00\00:23:27.74
I hope it's
expunged by now because...
00:23:27.77\00:23:32.67
So I what I did,
I thought it over
00:23:32.71\00:23:35.28
and when he finally
came back and I said,
00:23:35.31\00:23:37.85
you know, I'm
broke, I said I'll take it,
00:23:37.88\00:23:39.21
I'll take the deal.
00:23:39.25\00:23:40.78
And when that happens, you know,
00:23:40.82\00:23:42.15
the court
doesn't actually have to,
00:23:42.18\00:23:43.52
I guess the
court recommends that
00:23:43.55\00:23:44.89
or the prosecution
recommends that to the judge.
00:23:44.92\00:23:48.19
And there's no
telling what the judge
00:23:48.22\00:23:49.56
is going to do with that.
00:23:49.59\00:23:52.63
I guess tradition says
00:23:52.66\00:23:54.06
that he follows the
prosecution's recommendations
00:23:54.10\00:23:58.13
and I'm going to
hope and I hope they do.
00:23:58.17\00:24:00.40
And so we change our plea.
00:24:00.44\00:24:02.30
I never got to go
into the court room.
00:24:02.34\00:24:03.94
I changed my plea to
guilty, and I took the deal,
00:24:03.97\00:24:09.24
the plea
bargain and sure enough,
00:24:09.28\00:24:11.85
oh, mercy, mercy,
00:24:11.88\00:24:13.21
the court held up
there into the bargain
00:24:13.25\00:24:14.95
and I was sentenced to 45
days on a work release program
00:24:14.98\00:24:19.65
which means I
didn't have to go to jail,
00:24:19.69\00:24:21.19
I had to report to jail at first
00:24:21.22\00:24:23.16
and sign up for the
work release program,
00:24:23.19\00:24:24.63
and then I was released.
00:24:24.66\00:24:26.59
I spent 45 days
working on a city parks program
00:24:26.63\00:24:32.27
where I work
with these people for,
00:24:32.30\00:24:33.77
I just check in the morning,
00:24:33.80\00:24:35.14
I'm their prisoner for
all day, I'm their slave,
00:24:35.17\00:24:38.11
I worked all day for
just 45 days and so...
00:24:38.14\00:24:43.68
You know I call my
story pleading guilty,
00:24:43.71\00:24:46.41
and the reason I
call it pleading guilty
00:24:46.45\00:24:47.92
is because this is a
marquee of my testimony.
00:24:47.95\00:24:50.79
But this whole
situation reminds me, it works,
00:24:50.82\00:24:56.79
it fits so
perfectly into the Bible,
00:24:56.83\00:24:58.56
the gospel message of
1 John 1:9 where it says,
00:24:58.59\00:25:01.73
"If we confess our sins,
00:25:01.76\00:25:04.30
God is faithful and
just to forgive us our sins
00:25:04.33\00:25:08.90
and to cleanse us
from unrighteousness."
00:25:08.94\00:25:12.44
That's a plea bargain, isn't it?
00:25:12.47\00:25:13.81
Yes.
00:25:13.84\00:25:15.18
And so I didn't
realize that at the time.
00:25:15.21\00:25:16.54
You know, I had
been converted yet.
00:25:16.58\00:25:18.18
But I was just so
happy to be off, sort of,
00:25:18.21\00:25:21.22
scot free if you will.
00:25:21.25\00:25:23.08
But later on that
when I found Jesus
00:25:23.12\00:25:25.95
and I'll tell you
about that a little bit.
00:25:25.99\00:25:27.32
But I found Jesus,
that hit me really hard.
00:25:27.36\00:25:29.66
1 John, when I read my Bible
for the first time and read,
00:25:29.69\00:25:32.29
I got to that point, I realized,
00:25:32.33\00:25:34.86
that's exactly what the Lord
00:25:34.90\00:25:36.23
was teaching me
in this plea bargain.
00:25:36.26\00:25:37.60
He says, you plead
guilty, confess your sins,
00:25:37.63\00:25:41.50
I got a plea bargain
for you, just plead guilty,
00:25:41.54\00:25:43.87
confess and I'll cleanse
you from unrighteousness.
00:25:43.91\00:25:47.58
I won't even
make you spend 45 days
00:25:47.61\00:25:48.94
on a work release program.
00:25:48.98\00:25:51.15
Yeah, it's...
00:25:51.18\00:25:54.25
I'm listening to you
and I'm thinking to myself,
00:25:54.28\00:25:57.52
well, your
situation is so different
00:25:57.55\00:26:00.36
from so many others
00:26:00.39\00:26:01.72
who get so much
longer convictions
00:26:01.76\00:26:06.06
and longer sentencing terms.
00:26:06.09\00:26:08.50
And, you know, all of
this mass incarceration
00:26:08.53\00:26:11.83
that's going on in the
black community and stuff.
00:26:11.87\00:26:14.20
It's appalling to me and
it's, you know, thank God,
00:26:14.24\00:26:19.87
we serve a God who is
fair because life here is not.
00:26:19.91\00:26:24.31
You know, it's a fair in a way,
00:26:24.35\00:26:26.05
but don't you think
it's a little unfair
00:26:26.08\00:26:27.65
the way we are actually forgiven
00:26:27.68\00:26:30.49
and cleansed,
that's not fair, isn't it?
00:26:30.52\00:26:32.35
Yeah, but you
know, well, that's true,
00:26:32.39\00:26:33.72
He doesn't treat
us as we deserve.
00:26:33.76\00:26:35.39
Yeah. Yeah.
00:26:35.42\00:26:36.76
When you think of fairness,
00:26:36.79\00:26:38.13
you think of being
treated as you deserve to be.
00:26:38.16\00:26:39.49
No, we are not treated as
we deserve to be, thank God.
00:26:39.53\00:26:43.47
Praise the Lord. That's right.
00:26:43.50\00:26:45.67
So that we could be
treated the way He deserve.
00:26:45.70\00:26:48.60
Absolutely.
00:26:48.64\00:26:49.97
Yes, so I remember sharing
the story one time in a church
00:26:50.01\00:26:51.54
and a lawyer
was in the audience,
00:26:51.57\00:26:53.84
and he came up to
me and he felt bad,
00:26:53.88\00:26:56.01
he says, "You know why
00:26:56.04\00:26:57.58
they offered you
that plea bargain."
00:26:57.61\00:26:59.08
You know, he was a
prosecuting attorney.
00:26:59.11\00:27:00.45
And he says, Probably
00:27:00.48\00:27:01.82
'cause they don't have
enough evidence on you."
00:27:01.85\00:27:03.62
I thought, "Oh, great."
00:27:03.65\00:27:05.42
Maybe you could have been free.
You could have beat the case.
00:27:05.45\00:27:07.26
Right. Oh, my.
00:27:07.29\00:27:08.76
Probably could have beat
the case and never probably,
00:27:08.79\00:27:10.13
because that sounds
pretty cutting from 10 years
00:27:10.16\00:27:12.79
down to 45 days over there
00:27:12.83\00:27:14.16
for two years, I
didn't like that.
00:27:14.20\00:27:15.70
I didn't like 10 years of course
00:27:15.73\00:27:17.07
but I didn't
like two years either.
00:27:17.10\00:27:18.43
But 45 days, I can do that.
00:27:18.47\00:27:19.80
And that's what
they tend to do to
00:27:19.83\00:27:22.47
is come in and offer
you these plea bargains,
00:27:22.50\00:27:25.07
and trump up all
these charges, and then say,
00:27:25.11\00:27:27.68
"Okay, well this sounds,
00:27:27.71\00:27:29.21
you'll be like well
this sounds really horrible.
00:27:29.24\00:27:31.71
I better just take this,"
00:27:31.75\00:27:33.31
you know because really if
they were to try every case
00:27:33.35\00:27:38.35
the judicial
system would shut down,
00:27:38.39\00:27:40.19
there's no way they can
try every single case in court.
00:27:40.22\00:27:43.46
So they offer
these plea bargains
00:27:43.49\00:27:45.53
and then people accept them
00:27:45.56\00:27:47.10
and then so that
gets them off the docket.
00:27:47.13\00:27:50.43
They would clutter up the court
00:27:50.47\00:27:51.80
and get us out of
there, move along.
00:27:51.83\00:27:53.94
So how did you find the Lord,
00:27:53.97\00:27:56.34
if but your life
had obviously spiraled.
00:27:56.37\00:27:58.47
Oh, yeah.
00:27:58.51\00:27:59.84
So at this point,
00:27:59.87\00:28:01.21
I have lost my
connection with God really,
00:28:01.24\00:28:03.14
you know, I'm like
atheist and agnostic.
00:28:03.18\00:28:05.58
I don't believe.
00:28:05.61\00:28:06.95
I doubt the
existence of God at this point.
00:28:06.98\00:28:08.95
So the turning point...
00:28:08.98\00:28:11.82
Well, my mom got sick.
00:28:11.85\00:28:13.36
My mom got sick with cancer.
00:28:13.39\00:28:15.59
And before that
happened I had just, I decided,
00:28:15.62\00:28:19.23
you know, I went out
and I forgot the music,
00:28:19.26\00:28:20.93
I'm not going to do
this music stuff anymore.
00:28:20.96\00:28:22.86
We just sort of
had bad experiences.
00:28:22.90\00:28:24.90
I said, "Well, I'm gonna do
00:28:24.93\00:28:26.27
is I'm gonna go out
and pursue a business."
00:28:26.30\00:28:28.80
And so I started
the car business,
00:28:28.84\00:28:30.61
and I got a dealership,
I got a dealer's license,
00:28:30.64\00:28:33.94
you know, and I had a partner,
and we started doing cars.
00:28:33.98\00:28:36.54
And a guy came into the office
00:28:36.58\00:28:38.41
and bought a
Volkswagen convertible from me.
00:28:38.45\00:28:40.12
And he happened to be an intern
from Loma Linda University.
00:28:40.15\00:28:43.52
And he invited me
to... We became friends,
00:28:43.55\00:28:45.59
he invited me to come
down and live with him,
00:28:45.62\00:28:47.72
he had a open
room in his apartment
00:28:47.76\00:28:49.09
down in Southern
California and near Loma Linda.
00:28:49.12\00:28:52.56
And so I did.
00:28:52.59\00:28:54.16
And one day he
invited me to a Bible study.
00:28:54.20\00:28:56.83
It was occurring
in the local area,
00:28:56.87\00:28:59.03
it was in Redlands,
California near Loma Linda.
00:28:59.07\00:29:01.94
And I thought, "Well, okay,
Bible study, well, let's go,
00:29:01.97\00:29:03.94
let's go, maybe there's
some people I could meet,
00:29:03.97\00:29:05.57
you know, some
girls or whatever."
00:29:05.61\00:29:07.18
And I thought,
"Well, I'll go down there
00:29:07.21\00:29:08.64
and do Bible study."
00:29:08.68\00:29:10.01
We got there.
00:29:10.05\00:29:11.38
The Bible study
was so full of people,
00:29:11.41\00:29:12.78
was is very popular,
00:29:12.81\00:29:14.15
there must have been 100
people in this guy's home.
00:29:14.18\00:29:16.15
And I never even saw the
man presenting the Bible study.
00:29:16.18\00:29:19.69
So we got in there,
00:29:19.72\00:29:21.06
there was people lined up
around the edge of the house,
00:29:21.09\00:29:22.62
all lined up to hear,
00:29:22.66\00:29:23.99
to participate
in the Bible study.
00:29:24.03\00:29:25.36
The only place I could
find is that was in the kitchen
00:29:25.39\00:29:28.33
up against the refrigerator.
00:29:28.36\00:29:29.73
And so I squeezed
in between two people
00:29:29.76\00:29:31.77
and I said hello
to one on the right
00:29:31.80\00:29:33.13
and I said hello to
the one on the left.
00:29:33.17\00:29:34.50
And I look back on my left
00:29:34.54\00:29:35.87
and it was my long lost cousin
Steve sitting right there,
00:29:35.90\00:29:39.21
a man who had,
00:29:39.24\00:29:40.58
he had married
my cousin years ago,
00:29:40.61\00:29:42.11
and they got divorced,
00:29:42.14\00:29:43.58
and then we lost track of him,
00:29:43.61\00:29:44.95
and I haven't seen him in years.
00:29:44.98\00:29:46.31
And I go, "Steve,
what are you doing here?"
00:29:46.35\00:29:48.22
And he said "Oh man,
00:29:48.25\00:29:49.95
I'm in school
Loma Linda University,"
00:29:49.98\00:29:51.99
he is a
physical therapy student.
00:29:52.02\00:29:53.96
I said "Well, I'm
in the car business,"
00:29:53.99\00:29:55.32
and I told him
that it's up and down,
00:29:55.36\00:29:57.33
it's like a roller coaster,
00:29:57.36\00:29:58.69
you know, you can make money
00:29:58.73\00:30:00.06
and then also
you're losing money.
00:30:00.10\00:30:01.43
And he said, "Oh, you
got to do what I'm doing."
00:30:01.46\00:30:03.77
He says, "I'm going to school,
I will be a physical therapist,
00:30:03.80\00:30:07.10
the pay is good, the
job market is wide open."
00:30:07.14\00:30:09.97
I thought,
"Well, if he can do it,"
00:30:10.01\00:30:11.87
you know, he actually talked me
00:30:11.91\00:30:13.81
into going to
physical therapy into school.
00:30:13.84\00:30:15.74
And so I went back,
00:30:15.78\00:30:17.35
I started
getting my prerequisite,
00:30:17.38\00:30:18.78
I met my wife, Mickey,
00:30:18.81\00:30:20.88
she wasn't my
wife when I met her,
00:30:20.92\00:30:22.92
but she was actually over it.
00:30:22.95\00:30:25.22
I went over to
Steve's house to visit him.
00:30:25.25\00:30:27.12
He had an apartment
and his roommate was there.
00:30:27.16\00:30:30.83
He had a roommate,
and she, my wife, Mickey,
00:30:30.86\00:30:32.96
to be was over there
visiting the roommate one day,
00:30:32.99\00:30:35.10
and so I came in there
00:30:35.13\00:30:36.80
and I was no longer
interested in Steve.
00:30:36.83\00:30:38.77
Visiting Steve always and
now I wanted to visit Mickey,
00:30:38.80\00:30:40.87
you know.
00:30:40.90\00:30:42.24
She was beautiful.
00:30:42.27\00:30:43.71
And I found out
she was two weeks away
00:30:43.74\00:30:45.21
from graduating from
Loma Linda University.
00:30:45.24\00:30:47.98
I thought, well,
that could come in handy
00:30:48.01\00:30:49.94
you know got a job coming up.
00:30:49.98\00:30:51.61
She was in dental hygiene
in the dental school there.
00:30:51.65\00:30:54.52
And so I found out and
I'm in the car business,
00:30:54.55\00:30:57.62
so I asked Mickey,
00:30:57.65\00:30:58.99
I try to think
of things to say to
00:30:59.02\00:31:00.36
or to start up a conversation.
00:31:00.39\00:31:02.66
I just wanted to say,
"Well, what you're going to do
00:31:02.69\00:31:04.43
when you graduate
you've got two weeks to go,
00:31:04.46\00:31:05.79
what you're going to do?"
00:31:05.83\00:31:07.16
She said, "Well,
I'm going to get a job,
00:31:07.20\00:31:08.53
and I'm going to
finally buy my first car."
00:31:08.56\00:31:10.57
And I told, "What
you're going to buy?"
00:31:10.60\00:31:11.93
She said, "Well, I'm
going to buy a white BMW,
00:31:11.97\00:31:14.30
a two door, 5 speed
with the sunroof, 325i."
00:31:14.34\00:31:19.71
And I thought she was joking
00:31:19.74\00:31:21.08
because right outside of
the house of the apartment
00:31:21.11\00:31:23.55
she didn't see me come up
00:31:23.58\00:31:24.91
was a white 325i
BMW convertible, 5speed.
00:31:24.95\00:31:28.32
It was like the
most uncanny thing.
00:31:28.35\00:31:31.45
It was exactly what
she described, the color,
00:31:31.49\00:31:33.46
the model,
almost to the mileage.
00:31:33.49\00:31:35.66
And this was your car?
00:31:35.69\00:31:37.03
It was in our dealer inventory.
00:31:37.06\00:31:38.46
Yeah, I was driving, I
just drove it to, you know...
00:31:38.49\00:31:42.06
So God used
that as the catalyst.
00:31:42.10\00:31:44.30
You know God just set this up.
00:31:44.33\00:31:45.67
He saw Steve here, my cousin,
physical therapy, visit him,
00:31:45.70\00:31:49.87
meet Mickey, and
Mickey ended, we ended,
00:31:49.90\00:31:51.87
I ended up giving her
the car, then we got married.
00:31:51.91\00:31:54.01
And she helped me
go through school,
00:31:54.04\00:31:56.98
she put me through
school and I got loan,
00:31:57.01\00:32:00.75
my dad wouldn't help me at all,
00:32:00.78\00:32:02.18
because I had
already let him down before.
00:32:02.22\00:32:04.59
He sent me to
school at an early age
00:32:04.62\00:32:05.95
and I just squandered his
hope to wish in and everything,
00:32:05.99\00:32:08.62
I was totally unfocused.
00:32:08.66\00:32:11.33
So I was on my own
00:32:11.36\00:32:12.69
and it was a real
hardship to get through school,
00:32:12.73\00:32:14.60
you know, the
finances and everything.
00:32:14.63\00:32:17.30
Credit cards, we
ended up selling that BMW
00:32:17.33\00:32:19.47
just before I graduated to
pay for part of my tuition.
00:32:19.50\00:32:21.90
We sold everything we
had and my wife scrimped
00:32:21.94\00:32:24.31
and put us through.
00:32:24.34\00:32:26.31
But about this
time my mother got sick,
00:32:26.34\00:32:28.14
you know, while I'm in school
00:32:28.18\00:32:30.11
and she would
ask me to come over
00:32:30.15\00:32:31.81
and read to her the
Bible of all things, you know.
00:32:31.85\00:32:35.28
I'm not even...
00:32:35.32\00:32:36.65
I mean, I love my mother.
00:32:36.69\00:32:38.65
So just out of love
00:32:38.69\00:32:40.02
she's laying in the
living room on her sick bed
00:32:40.06\00:32:42.09
which turned out to be
her deathbed eventually.
00:32:42.12\00:32:44.86
For two years she
sat in this condition.
00:32:44.89\00:32:47.00
And so she would ask
me to come over and sit
00:32:47.03\00:32:48.53
and just read
her spiritual books
00:32:48.56\00:32:50.27
and the Bible which I would do
00:32:50.30\00:32:52.43
and I would read the
Bible hour after hours,
00:32:52.47\00:32:55.10
just read to her what I could.
00:32:55.14\00:32:56.81
And eventually she passed away.
00:32:56.84\00:33:00.58
And so that devastated me.
00:33:00.61\00:33:03.45
I thought she was
going to get well.
00:33:03.48\00:33:04.81
You know, I don't do
good with death so well.
00:33:04.85\00:33:08.95
But I thought
she was getting well.
00:33:08.98\00:33:10.75
So it was just
really a hard thing for me.
00:33:10.79\00:33:13.76
But it was
exactly what I needed.
00:33:13.79\00:33:15.59
I needed to realize
my life is terminal,
00:33:15.62\00:33:18.56
you know, life is
actually temporary.
00:33:18.59\00:33:20.20
You know when you're young
00:33:20.23\00:33:21.56
and you're out there
trying to pursue your dreams,
00:33:21.60\00:33:23.20
me, me, me, you know, wealth,
and me, and all that stuff.
00:33:23.23\00:33:27.64
You don't really think
about your life has an ending.
00:33:27.67\00:33:30.94
You know, there's an ending.
00:33:30.97\00:33:32.31
If you don't have
God, that's a big ending.
00:33:32.34\00:33:34.58
Right. Right.
00:33:34.61\00:33:35.94
It's a permanent
ending. Permanent ending.
00:33:35.98\00:33:37.31
So the Holy
Spirit used all that.
00:33:37.35\00:33:39.98
So one day I'm in anatomy
00:33:40.02\00:33:42.48
and physiology
class at a public school,
00:33:42.52\00:33:44.75
I'm getting these prerequisites,
00:33:44.79\00:33:46.12
one of the prerequisites
00:33:46.15\00:33:47.49
for getting into
physical therapy school
00:33:47.52\00:33:48.86
was anatomy and physiology.
00:33:48.89\00:33:51.63
This is the turning point.
00:33:51.66\00:33:52.99
So here I am, I'm
in a huge lecture hall,
00:33:53.03\00:33:54.36
it's amphitheater,
Ron, ex drill sergeant,
00:33:54.40\00:33:58.30
marine drill
sergeant is the teacher,
00:33:58.33\00:33:59.87
and he's an ex
Seventh-day Adventist too.
00:33:59.90\00:34:01.50
Oh, wow.
00:34:01.54\00:34:02.87
Nothing against the
church, he just said,
00:34:02.90\00:34:04.24
he didn't have time
for religion, you know...
00:34:04.27\00:34:06.98
That's probably the right,
00:34:07.01\00:34:08.34
really that's the
true church he sought.
00:34:08.38\00:34:09.71
But I don't care,
00:34:09.74\00:34:11.08
you know, he didn't
really care about religion,
00:34:11.11\00:34:12.78
he was a teacher.
00:34:12.81\00:34:14.62
He was teaching
on cellular mitosis
00:34:14.65\00:34:16.92
or cell metabolism was our class
00:34:16.95\00:34:18.59
and how the cell divides.
00:34:18.62\00:34:20.02
And so pencil in
hand paper notes,
00:34:20.06\00:34:22.89
all the students
are taking notes,
00:34:22.92\00:34:24.99
and I'm listening to the lecture
00:34:25.03\00:34:26.36
on how the cell divides,
and how the cell functions.
00:34:26.39\00:34:29.86
And he started explaining
all the intricate details
00:34:29.90\00:34:32.50
of how a cell divides
00:34:32.53\00:34:34.60
and how the cell
functions, but it's so complex.
00:34:34.64\00:34:37.37
He says the body
you've got 10 trillion cells,
00:34:37.41\00:34:39.34
now I think they say
it's got 100 trillion cells
00:34:39.37\00:34:41.44
and each one of the cells
00:34:41.48\00:34:42.91
has all these
things, there's a membrane,
00:34:42.94\00:34:44.98
there's a cytoplasm
inside, there's the lysosomes
00:34:45.01\00:34:47.95
and all these different
things, a nucleus in the middle,
00:34:47.98\00:34:50.42
there's a DNA molecule.
00:34:50.45\00:34:53.32
And he was describing it,
00:34:53.36\00:34:54.69
we're studying how
the processes work,
00:34:54.72\00:34:56.52
how this stuff works.
00:34:56.56\00:34:57.89
And I'm
flabbergasted at this point,
00:34:57.93\00:35:00.76
for a person that
doesn't believe in God,
00:35:00.80\00:35:02.13
this is awfully hard to swallow,
00:35:02.16\00:35:03.50
you know,
'cause this is complex.
00:35:03.53\00:35:05.97
They've got more intense
when he started to describe
00:35:06.00\00:35:08.90
what happens
when they're dividing,
00:35:08.94\00:35:10.37
we started to describe the DNA,
00:35:10.41\00:35:11.94
we started
studying the DNA molecule,
00:35:11.97\00:35:13.71
the deoxyribonucleic acid.
00:35:13.74\00:35:15.64
This is what scientists consider
00:35:15.68\00:35:18.11
the most complex
structure in the universe,
00:35:18.15\00:35:20.75
the DNA, and you
can't even see it.
00:35:20.78\00:35:23.69
You can see on
electron microscope.
00:35:23.72\00:35:26.29
So he's describing the function,
00:35:26.32\00:35:27.72
what happens in
the DNA, he says,
00:35:27.76\00:35:29.89
"This DNA molecule
contains the genetic blueprint
00:35:29.92\00:35:32.63
of how your body is
designed, and formed,
00:35:32.66\00:35:34.90
and how it's going to build.
00:35:34.93\00:35:36.26
It's the blueprint like
a architect's blueprint.
00:35:36.30\00:35:39.17
And there's 10 trillion of them,
00:35:39.20\00:35:40.54
every cell has one.
00:35:40.57\00:35:41.94
He says when they go to divide
00:35:41.97\00:35:44.07
after all these
processes take place,
00:35:44.11\00:35:46.68
there's a nucleus and a blank,
00:35:46.71\00:35:48.68
sort of a blank DNA molecule
in the newly formed cell.
00:35:48.71\00:35:52.78
He says now to get
that genetic blueprint,
00:35:52.81\00:35:55.15
the code into the new one,
00:35:55.18\00:35:56.52
we have another molecule
called the RNA molecule.
00:35:56.55\00:35:59.92
He says, now what
that RNA molecule does
00:35:59.95\00:36:01.72
is it sort of
transcribe and dictate,
00:36:01.76\00:36:04.79
it takes all the information
from the original DNA molecule,
00:36:04.83\00:36:09.33
and then it goes on a journey.
00:36:09.36\00:36:10.70
He says, it transverses through
the membrane into the new cell
00:36:10.73\00:36:13.74
and it deposits
00:36:13.77\00:36:18.31
the code into
the new DNA molecule.
00:36:18.34\00:36:21.98
And that's about
all I could take.
00:36:22.01\00:36:23.41
I put my pen down and I'm like,
00:36:23.45\00:36:27.32
I'm no longer
listening to this class
00:36:27.35\00:36:29.35
on how cells divide and mitosis.
00:36:29.38\00:36:31.15
I'm listening to a
class on the existence of God.
00:36:31.19\00:36:34.79
There's no doubt in my mind
now this is not spontaneous...
00:36:34.82\00:36:40.73
Coincidence.
Coincidence. Nothing like that.
00:36:40.76\00:36:43.50
And the Holy Spirit
was just whispering,
00:36:43.53\00:36:45.47
He said the Holy
Spirit is interesting
00:36:45.50\00:36:47.34
because He knows
exactly when to approach you
00:36:47.37\00:36:51.04
with this kind of stuff,
00:36:51.07\00:36:52.41
and he approached me
strongly at this point.
00:36:52.44\00:36:54.14
He's saying in my
mind, my mind is telling me,
00:36:54.18\00:36:56.85
there's a God out there.
00:36:56.88\00:36:58.58
There's no way
what Ron is describing
00:36:58.61\00:37:00.98
is just
mechanical and happenstance.
00:37:01.02\00:37:04.05
This is a God with a complex guy
00:37:04.09\00:37:06.22
with a design in mind.
00:37:06.25\00:37:08.46
And so I put my pen down
00:37:08.49\00:37:09.82
and didn't take any
more notes the rest of day.
00:37:09.86\00:37:12.46
And I decided
right then and there,
00:37:12.49\00:37:15.46
I want to know this
God 'cause there's a God.
00:37:15.50\00:37:18.00
I'm absolutely sure of that.
00:37:18.03\00:37:20.04
And he also...
00:37:20.07\00:37:21.40
The Holy Spirit impressed
me where to find this God
00:37:21.44\00:37:23.07
because of reading my Bible,
00:37:23.10\00:37:24.44
the Bible to my
mother and watching her die.
00:37:24.47\00:37:26.64
She died with peace.
00:37:26.68\00:37:28.01
She was just at
peace, never complained.
00:37:28.04\00:37:30.85
I don't think I ever
heard my mother complain,
00:37:30.88\00:37:32.68
going to radiation, and
chemo, and pain for two years,
00:37:32.71\00:37:36.48
not a plea, not a complaint,
00:37:36.52\00:37:38.55
maybe I'm thirsty
or something like that.
00:37:38.59\00:37:39.99
But she died with peace.
00:37:40.02\00:37:42.92
And then I realized the
reason she had the peace
00:37:42.96\00:37:44.96
was because she knew her
maker, she knew this God.
00:37:44.99\00:37:48.06
And so I wanted
to know this God.
00:37:48.10\00:37:49.56
And so, oh,
00:37:49.60\00:37:51.53
you got to and I
knew where to find Him,
00:37:51.57\00:37:52.90
it's in the Bible.
00:37:52.93\00:37:54.27
And so I got a Bible, you
know, I'm gonna go find God.
00:37:54.30\00:37:56.67
You know, I was
thoroughly committed.
00:37:56.71\00:37:58.94
I knew I was probably
going to have to give up things.
00:37:58.97\00:38:02.64
I thought my life
00:38:02.68\00:38:04.01
was going to be kind
of tough from now on.
00:38:04.05\00:38:05.91
It's going to be kind of unfun.
00:38:05.95\00:38:07.35
I'm going to lose
all my privileges.
00:38:07.38\00:38:10.55
Whatever, I'm not
going to have fun anymore.
00:38:10.59\00:38:12.65
But I decided even though
00:38:12.69\00:38:14.69
I wasn't going to
have fun in life anymore,
00:38:14.72\00:38:16.66
I decided I'm
going to do it anyway
00:38:16.69\00:38:18.06
because I don't want to
go to that burning place
00:38:18.09\00:38:20.00
or whatever the consequences,
I want the eternal life.
00:38:20.03\00:38:22.60
I want to be with my mother.
00:38:22.63\00:38:24.27
And so I decided and I
think that every Christian
00:38:24.30\00:38:27.84
that's going to end up
in a saving relationship
00:38:27.87\00:38:29.80
with Jesus in heaven
00:38:29.84\00:38:31.17
has to make that
commitment, don't you think?
00:38:31.21\00:38:33.14
No matter what
make the commitment.
00:38:33.17\00:38:35.88
Yes.
00:38:35.91\00:38:37.25
To know God. To know God.
00:38:37.28\00:38:38.61
And to pursue knowing God.
00:38:38.65\00:38:40.45
Without wavering.
And you know what?
00:38:40.48\00:38:43.69
Even that
decision comes from God.
00:38:43.72\00:38:46.05
It must have.
00:38:46.09\00:38:47.42
Even that decision...
00:38:47.46\00:38:48.79
'Cause I put my foot down.
00:38:48.82\00:38:50.16
I finally said,
I'm going to do it.
00:38:50.19\00:38:51.53
Yeah, even that
determination comes from Him.
00:38:51.56\00:38:54.93
So for the viewer who says,
00:38:54.96\00:38:57.13
"Why I don't
really feel like that."
00:38:57.17\00:38:59.53
Ask God to help
you to feel like that.
00:38:59.57\00:39:01.50
Oh, absolutely.
00:39:01.54\00:39:02.87
And let me tell
you along this line.
00:39:02.90\00:39:04.24
Yeah. Okay, so I get the Bible.
00:39:04.27\00:39:07.18
You know, and by the way
00:39:07.21\00:39:08.54
when I did become a
Christian became committed,
00:39:08.58\00:39:09.94
I found out I
didn't give up anything,
00:39:09.98\00:39:11.61
I just gained
everything. That's right.
00:39:11.65\00:39:13.85
That was I was waiting for.
00:39:13.88\00:39:15.22
It's not that bad, it's great.
Whatever, it's so much fun.
00:39:15.25\00:39:17.52
Yes. Oh, yeah.
00:39:17.55\00:39:18.89
So here I get the
Bible and I try to read it.
00:39:18.92\00:39:21.22
Because of my lifestyle
and all things I've been,
00:39:21.26\00:39:23.73
I couldn't
understand what I was reading.
00:39:23.76\00:39:25.29
You know, the devil
had a little bit of control
00:39:25.33\00:39:27.50
over my thinking.
00:39:27.53\00:39:28.90
Wasn't a devil
possessed person or anything.
00:39:28.93\00:39:30.97
But the devil, like the parable
Jesus tells about the seeds
00:39:31.00\00:39:35.24
that were planted on the wayside
00:39:35.27\00:39:36.60
and the birds
came and snatched away,
00:39:36.64\00:39:38.31
the devil is that snatcher.
00:39:38.34\00:39:40.54
So I'm reading,
I'll read a text,
00:39:40.58\00:39:41.94
the devil will just go
and laugh and snatch it out,
00:39:41.98\00:39:43.78
so I could not
contemplate what I was reading.
00:39:43.81\00:39:46.05
Were you reading
King James Version?
00:39:46.08\00:39:48.05
I don't remember I would assume
so 'cause that was a prominent.
00:39:48.08\00:39:51.95
And I love the King
James. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:51.99\00:39:54.12
However, you're right,
00:39:54.16\00:39:55.49
the King James can be a
little hard to understand...
00:39:55.52\00:39:57.03
Yeah, for those
00:39:57.06\00:39:58.39
who aren't used to it, you know.
00:39:58.43\00:39:59.76
My kids actually,
all my kids learn to read
00:39:59.79\00:40:01.40
by reading the King James Bible.
00:40:01.43\00:40:03.47
That's got to be supernatural,
00:40:03.50\00:40:05.13
they know how to read, you know.
00:40:05.17\00:40:06.50
They learn reading itself.
00:40:06.53\00:40:07.87
I would read with
them and preach them
00:40:07.90\00:40:09.40
and it's like riding
a bicycle pretty soon,
00:40:09.44\00:40:10.91
the training wheels come
out and all soon they're going.
00:40:10.94\00:40:12.61
It's just like they
learned it from the Bible.
00:40:12.64\00:40:15.71
And so after my
second or third child,
00:40:15.74\00:40:17.65
I realize that this is
how you teach people to read,
00:40:17.68\00:40:19.75
you know, God is going to help.
00:40:19.78\00:40:21.45
But so here I am struggling
00:40:21.48\00:40:23.18
with my comprehension
of what I'm reading.
00:40:23.22\00:40:25.85
And I'm not
enjoying this at all.
00:40:25.89\00:40:28.66
And finally I get to a
text like in Philippians 2:5.
00:40:28.69\00:40:32.26
You know, I think we have
a graphic of Philippians 2:5.
00:40:32.29\00:40:35.03
The Bible says,
"Let this mind be in you
00:40:35.06\00:40:37.87
that is also in Christ Jesus."
00:40:37.90\00:40:39.60
So something
finally spoke to me.
00:40:39.63\00:40:42.70
I realize I'm
struggling with my mind now.
00:40:42.74\00:40:45.57
I can't
understand what I'm reading.
00:40:45.61\00:40:47.48
And so I said,
"Hey, wait a minute,
00:40:47.51\00:40:49.44
let me ask God, if
God really does exist
00:40:49.48\00:40:51.88
which I know He does.
00:40:51.91\00:40:53.42
And if salvation
is found in the Bible,
00:40:53.45\00:40:55.55
maybe He could
make me like the Bible."
00:40:55.58\00:40:58.09
This text here says,
00:40:58.12\00:40:59.45
we could have
the mind of Christ.
00:40:59.49\00:41:02.59
If God wants me
to like the Bible
00:41:02.62\00:41:04.16
and wants to be saved,
salvation is found there,
00:41:04.19\00:41:07.00
He might be able to
do something about this.
00:41:07.03\00:41:08.50
And so I got on my knees.
00:41:08.53\00:41:10.00
And I asked God, I said, "God,
00:41:10.03\00:41:11.97
please help me
understand what I'm reading.
00:41:12.00\00:41:13.80
Right now I'm not enjoying it.
00:41:13.84\00:41:15.17
I can't understand it.
00:41:15.20\00:41:16.54
You know I found
myself just tasting the Bible.
00:41:16.57\00:41:18.61
I didn't like it,
hated it, you know."
00:41:18.64\00:41:20.51
I hated my experience
'cause I need to find God,
00:41:20.54\00:41:23.11
you know, and
I'm not finding it.
00:41:23.14\00:41:24.48
And so, said, God if you want me
00:41:24.51\00:41:25.88
to like this
book, make me like it.
00:41:25.91\00:41:27.95
Amen.
00:41:27.98\00:41:29.38
And I didn't expect an
answer really, you know.
00:41:29.42\00:41:31.39
I never had big
answers to prayer.
00:41:31.42\00:41:34.09
But as soon as I got
open the book back up
00:41:34.12\00:41:35.96
and I started
reading and instantly
00:41:35.99\00:41:37.63
it was like a
light switch went on,
00:41:37.66\00:41:39.39
understood everything.
00:41:39.43\00:41:40.76
And I found myself, "Wow!
00:41:40.80\00:41:42.20
Liking when I was reading."
00:41:42.23\00:41:44.00
I read some more
and I read some more.
00:41:44.03\00:41:45.37
And I got, thank you God.
00:41:45.40\00:41:46.74
Yes.
00:41:46.77\00:41:48.10
It opened a whole
new world for you.
00:41:48.14\00:41:49.47
It sure did.
00:41:49.50\00:41:50.84
Romans 12:2,
00:41:50.87\00:41:52.21
"Be not conformed to this world,
00:41:52.24\00:41:53.58
but be transformed
by renewing the mind."
00:41:53.61\00:41:56.95
I read that and I go,
00:41:56.98\00:41:58.31
God is actually able to
00:41:58.35\00:41:59.85
make you like the
things you should like.
00:41:59.88\00:42:01.95
And so I'm praying God again.
00:42:01.98\00:42:03.59
Make me like what
You want me to like.
00:42:03.62\00:42:05.72
He started
changing my life, you know,
00:42:05.75\00:42:07.89
and instead of
finding the things
00:42:07.92\00:42:09.26
I thought would be distasteful,
00:42:09.29\00:42:10.99
actually I like
Christian music now.
00:42:11.03\00:42:13.86
I like listening to
Yvonne Lewis on 3ABN.
00:42:13.90\00:42:16.43
Praise the Lord.
00:42:16.46\00:42:17.80
And I love all this stuff.
00:42:17.83\00:42:19.17
And so I pray.
00:42:19.20\00:42:21.10
I recommend, I would say
that would be the highlight
00:42:21.14\00:42:23.67
of my testimony right
there, Philippians 2:5.
00:42:23.71\00:42:26.98
Ask God to make you like...
00:42:27.01\00:42:28.44
So if your
viewers are having trouble
00:42:28.48\00:42:31.18
with comprehending the
Bible or liking things,
00:42:31.21\00:42:33.55
you think, oh, what a
burden to like spiritual things.
00:42:33.58\00:42:37.55
Just open your Bibles
up to Philippians 2:5,
00:42:37.59\00:42:40.36
get on to your
knees, and ask God
00:42:40.39\00:42:42.72
to make you like the
things you should like.
00:42:42.76\00:42:44.83
And I guarantee you,
00:42:44.86\00:42:46.83
your money back
guarantee if it doesn't do it.
00:42:46.86\00:42:49.30
You can have your money back.
00:42:49.33\00:42:50.67
But God will do a miracle
for you and make you like.
00:42:50.70\00:42:53.50
And so now I'm
hungry and thirsty,
00:42:53.54\00:42:54.87
the Bible is just
everything to me now.
00:42:54.90\00:42:56.24
Oh, that's so great.
00:42:56.27\00:42:57.61
That's so great.
00:42:57.64\00:42:59.64
So you went from studying
to now teaching too, correct?
00:42:59.67\00:43:03.85
So you do
seminars and all of that?
00:43:03.88\00:43:06.41
Well, we travel around.
00:43:06.45\00:43:07.78
And I do Revelation seminars.
00:43:07.82\00:43:09.15
Our Revelation seminar
is called Revelation 101,
00:43:09.18\00:43:13.72
a survival training course.
00:43:13.76\00:43:15.79
And I think we
have a graphic of that.
00:43:15.82\00:43:17.16
We have a graphic of that, yeah.
00:43:17.19\00:43:19.66
I like to travel
around and there it is,
00:43:19.69\00:43:22.23
a survival training course.
00:43:22.26\00:43:23.60
On the top, it
says, life is temporary,
00:43:23.63\00:43:25.80
choose to make it permanent.
00:43:25.83\00:43:28.70
Besides this, these are
our one month long crusades.
00:43:28.74\00:43:32.71
I do a lot of, number
of weekend seminars now.
00:43:32.74\00:43:35.14
And we do one on a
modern day resurrection,
00:43:35.18\00:43:37.18
we do one on
surviving the mark of the beast
00:43:37.21\00:43:39.55
when you can't buy or sell.
00:43:39.58\00:43:41.28
And then we have on
what it's called animals
00:43:41.32\00:43:45.75
and people that
rest on Saturday.
00:43:45.79\00:43:48.56
We do film
production and we did a...
00:43:48.59\00:43:50.96
Go ahead, Jay.
00:43:50.99\00:43:52.73
You said a
modern day resurrection.
00:43:52.76\00:43:54.30
What is that about?
00:43:54.33\00:43:55.90
That's the story of myself.
00:43:55.93\00:43:57.90
We had, when my
family started growing,
00:43:57.93\00:44:00.30
our third child
drowned in a pond one day.
00:44:00.34\00:44:03.10
And I rescued him out of there.
00:44:03.14\00:44:05.54
but it was
probably about 30 minutes
00:44:05.57\00:44:06.91
after he'd already been dead.
00:44:06.94\00:44:08.28
Pulled him out of the pond.
00:44:08.31\00:44:09.64
And through the
series of miracles,
00:44:09.68\00:44:13.05
God brought him back to life.
00:44:13.08\00:44:15.42
Thirty minutes after...
00:44:15.45\00:44:16.79
Probably about 28 to 30 minutes.
00:44:16.82\00:44:18.15
And it could have been
longer, he had time to float out
00:44:18.19\00:44:21.26
into the middle of
this pond, face down.
00:44:21.29\00:44:23.32
And I had just been,
00:44:23.36\00:44:25.09
it was my day to watch the kids.
00:44:25.13\00:44:26.90
Mom went to work.
00:44:26.93\00:44:28.43
We're already
living in the country,
00:44:28.46\00:44:29.80
we moved out of the city.
00:44:29.83\00:44:31.23
But anyway, she was at work
and I wasn't watching the kids
00:44:31.27\00:44:34.40
as closely as I
should have been.
00:44:34.44\00:44:36.00
I mean, I had rather a
real big major fail that day.
00:44:36.04\00:44:38.81
How old was he?
00:44:38.84\00:44:40.18
He was about two and a half.
00:44:40.21\00:44:41.54
Okay. Yeah.
00:44:41.58\00:44:42.91
And my daughter came up to
me during the day, my afternoon,
00:44:42.94\00:44:46.48
I was working on my computer,
00:44:46.51\00:44:48.12
went outside just
to check on the kids,
00:44:48.15\00:44:49.48
my daughter came up to me
00:44:49.52\00:44:50.85
and very
patiently waited her turn
00:44:50.89\00:44:52.22
while I was dressing a
wound on the other kids.
00:44:52.25\00:44:54.62
And she told me that when
she got her turn she said,
00:44:54.66\00:44:57.36
"Jackson drowned."
00:44:57.39\00:44:59.66
And I said why
didn't you interrupt me
00:44:59.69\00:45:01.20
and tell me a little
about 10 minutes ago."
00:45:01.23\00:45:03.97
Anyway I went down and
looked everywhere from...
00:45:04.00\00:45:06.40
We had a pond on our 37 acres.
00:45:06.43\00:45:08.17
And I found,
finally went down there
00:45:08.20\00:45:09.90
and there he was
floating face down.
00:45:09.94\00:45:12.41
I drove in.
00:45:12.44\00:45:13.78
My little Kennedy
which was just an infant,
00:45:13.81\00:45:16.78
and I had just
dropped her, I went in there,
00:45:16.81\00:45:18.28
rescued him out,
00:45:18.31\00:45:19.85
took a long time to
get him out of there.
00:45:19.88\00:45:21.22
I rest him out.
00:45:21.25\00:45:22.58
He wasn't breathing.
00:45:22.62\00:45:23.95
No pulse, no breath, you know.
00:45:23.99\00:45:25.75
I had, I was in medical field
00:45:25.79\00:45:27.39
so I assessed his
vital signs and nothing.
00:45:27.42\00:45:30.46
And he was cold.
00:45:30.49\00:45:33.43
And so I just
screamed out to God,
00:45:33.46\00:45:36.87
you know after sitting there
for a longest time, you know.
00:45:36.90\00:45:39.43
Alex came and I'm
going, "He's dead.
00:45:39.47\00:45:40.84
What do we do?
00:45:40.87\00:45:42.20
What do we tell mom
when she comes home,
00:45:42.24\00:45:43.57
you know, she's at work."
00:45:43.61\00:45:45.01
But we had a
pretty bad day today, Mom.
00:45:45.04\00:45:48.61
So I was like,
God, do something.
00:45:48.64\00:45:50.95
I just said, do something,
not expecting to do anything.
00:45:50.98\00:45:53.85
And when I yelled
at God to do something
00:45:53.88\00:45:56.35
which is very
irreverent I guess.
00:45:56.38\00:45:57.72
But a little bubble came out
00:45:57.75\00:45:59.35
of his mouth and
nose, he bubbled.
00:45:59.39\00:46:01.66
And a little voice
spoke to me and said,
00:46:01.69\00:46:03.73
"Now would be a
good time to try CPR."
00:46:03.76\00:46:06.80
A voice actually told me just
00:46:06.83\00:46:08.96
now would be a
good time to try CPR.
00:46:09.00\00:46:11.30
And I go, well, I
wasn't thinking CPR is cold.
00:46:11.33\00:46:13.87
This is way past...
00:46:13.90\00:46:16.17
But I tried and I
did very clumsily,
00:46:16.20\00:46:20.24
I tilted his head back,
00:46:20.28\00:46:21.61
pinches nose off,
gave him a breath.
00:46:21.64\00:46:23.35
He, you know, chest went
up and exhaled, but no inhale.
00:46:23.38\00:46:26.88
Voice said, "Keep trying."
00:46:26.92\00:46:28.25
And I did it again nothing.
00:46:28.28\00:46:29.62
I did it third time.
00:46:29.65\00:46:30.99
And finally he inhaled.
00:46:31.02\00:46:33.79
Automatic, you know, reflex.
00:46:33.82\00:46:36.19
He inhaled and then
00:46:36.22\00:46:37.69
he started moaning and groaning.
00:46:37.73\00:46:39.23
He's moaning, he came
back to life, called 911.
00:46:39.26\00:46:42.83
We got him in the ambulance,
00:46:42.86\00:46:44.63
took him to the
nearest hospital,
00:46:44.67\00:46:46.40
and he was in way just dead.
00:46:46.43\00:46:48.60
I almost wish I
hadn't revived him
00:46:48.64\00:46:50.64
because he was now just
00:46:50.67\00:46:52.01
eyes rolled back in
the head, he's moaning,
00:46:52.04\00:46:53.64
every muscle in
his body is toned up,
00:46:53.68\00:46:55.21
he's in horrible condition.
00:46:55.24\00:46:56.75
Oh, man.
00:46:56.78\00:46:58.31
So here the miracle in
that story is basically that
00:46:58.35\00:47:01.52
he's in the ER room,
hospital full of nurses,
00:47:01.55\00:47:04.59
they're not getting anywhere.
00:47:04.62\00:47:06.76
But they do, they pumped
00:47:06.79\00:47:08.16
about two or three gallons
of water out of his lungs.
00:47:08.19\00:47:11.36
And they had him on a
heater, his core temperature
00:47:11.39\00:47:13.19
was way below at
resettable level,
00:47:13.23\00:47:16.46
that ENT had told me and he was,
00:47:16.50\00:47:19.10
looks like he's permanently
brain damaged forever,
00:47:19.13\00:47:22.64
badly brain damaged.
00:47:22.67\00:47:24.01
And I've worked in
physical therapy work
00:47:24.04\00:47:26.61
with drowning victims
00:47:26.64\00:47:27.98
and they don't for
the most part get well,
00:47:28.01\00:47:29.64
they just, we just
improve their function level,
00:47:29.68\00:47:31.65
but he was the
worst I've ever seen.
00:47:31.68\00:47:35.05
A voice told me again,
asked me for another miracle.
00:47:35.08\00:47:38.72
And so I went out,
and the nurse invited me
00:47:38.75\00:47:40.52
to go out and change, I
changed, I got on my knees,
00:47:40.56\00:47:42.69
and I ask God
for another miracle.
00:47:42.72\00:47:44.29
I said, what a
beautiful miracle,
00:47:44.33\00:47:45.66
You brought him back to life.
00:47:45.69\00:47:47.86
And here he prompted me
to ask for another miracle.
00:47:47.90\00:47:49.66
I said, I don't
know what you can do,
00:47:49.70\00:47:51.03
but I'm asking for the
miracle, You're asking me
00:47:51.07\00:47:54.10
to ask for a
miracle, I want that miracle.
00:47:54.14\00:47:55.70
So I went back in the ER room.
00:47:55.74\00:47:57.71
And here he is laying there.
00:47:57.74\00:47:59.17
He was just like curled
up, his eyes are rolled back,
00:47:59.21\00:48:01.24
and he's still
moaning, he's groaning.
00:48:01.28\00:48:02.91
Yeah.
00:48:02.94\00:48:04.28
I mean, he's so incoherent.
00:48:04.31\00:48:06.35
I walk back and I'm not
sure how God is going to answer
00:48:06.38\00:48:08.22
the prayer, so I
just looked at him
00:48:08.25\00:48:09.58
and I said,
"Jackson, are you cold?"
00:48:09.62\00:48:11.09
And I reached out,
he didn't answered.
00:48:11.12\00:48:12.49
I reached and touched
him to see if he was cold.
00:48:12.52\00:48:15.12
And as soon as my
hand touched his chest,
00:48:15.16\00:48:17.19
his whole body just relaxed.
00:48:17.23\00:48:18.76
His eyes rolled
back, he turned his head,
00:48:18.79\00:48:21.30
looked at me, and said, "Yes."
00:48:21.33\00:48:23.73
And he was just completely
restored by a touch...
00:48:23.77\00:48:28.80
I'm telling you that
just makes me want to cry.
00:48:28.84\00:48:30.61
I didn't expect that.
00:48:30.64\00:48:31.97
Everybody...
00:48:32.01\00:48:33.34
As soon as you touched him.
00:48:33.38\00:48:34.71
As soon as I touched him.
00:48:34.74\00:48:36.58
It almost scared me.
00:48:36.61\00:48:37.95
I mean, I touched his body,
00:48:37.98\00:48:39.31
you know, not
expecting a miracle.
00:48:39.35\00:48:40.68
I'm not sure what
God was going to do.
00:48:40.72\00:48:42.55
I thought he'd
slowly get well again,
00:48:42.58\00:48:44.29
you know, about a
little bit if anything.
00:48:44.32\00:48:47.16
But it was his
whole body relaxed.
00:48:47.19\00:48:50.73
His whole
consciousness came back to me.
00:48:50.76\00:48:52.26
He looked at me.
00:48:52.29\00:48:53.63
Looking right in my eye
and answered my question
00:48:53.66\00:48:55.36
as if he heard me and said yes.
00:48:55.40\00:48:57.70
And all the
nurses that were in the,
00:48:57.73\00:48:59.77
you know, every one
of the hospital nurses,
00:48:59.80\00:49:01.60
in the small town
hospital was there,
00:49:01.64\00:49:03.20
and the doctors were all
there, and they start cheering.
00:49:03.24\00:49:06.54
They all just started clapping
and saying, "Praise the Lord,"
00:49:06.57\00:49:09.88
you know these who I don't
know they're Christian or what.
00:49:09.91\00:49:12.75
But they were praising God.
00:49:12.78\00:49:15.15
And he was restored
from that moment on.
00:49:15.18\00:49:17.65
And you have a book
about that you've written.
00:49:17.69\00:49:19.32
We sure do.
00:49:19.35\00:49:20.69
We got a book called A
Modern Day Resurrection.
00:49:20.72\00:49:22.82
And that's been a really
big blessing in our lives.
00:49:22.86\00:49:25.29
Yes. Praise the lord.
00:49:25.33\00:49:26.66
It's up on the screen now.
00:49:26.70\00:49:28.03
Yes. Okay, yeah.
00:49:28.06\00:49:29.40
A Modern Day Resurrection.
00:49:29.43\00:49:30.77
A Modern Day Resurrection.
00:49:30.80\00:49:32.13
And now we have a
whole similar series
00:49:32.17\00:49:33.50
on just on the 12 resurrection
stories in the Bible.
00:49:33.54\00:49:36.54
You know because
they mean so much to me.
00:49:36.57\00:49:38.11
Yes.
00:49:38.14\00:49:39.61
We need your websites so
that people can contact you,
00:49:39.64\00:49:43.75
you know, to get these books,
and tapes, and all of that.
00:49:43.78\00:49:47.98
Oh, you want that now.
00:49:48.02\00:49:49.38
Yeah. Give it to us.
00:49:49.42\00:49:51.05
Oh, you can have it for free.
00:49:51.09\00:49:53.66
Our website is desiremedia.org.
00:49:53.69\00:49:56.83
www.desiremedia.org.
00:49:56.86\00:50:00.46
You can email me
Larren@desiremedia.org.
00:50:00.50\00:50:05.20
We have an 800
number, 800-780-9390.
00:50:05.23\00:50:09.30
And we're on the
road almost constantly
00:50:09.34\00:50:12.74
traveling around and doing
00:50:12.77\00:50:15.34
if not revelation seminars,
we're doing weekend seminars.
00:50:15.38\00:50:18.38
And on the way back
from here we're stopping
00:50:18.41\00:50:19.85
and doing
another one in Colorado.
00:50:19.88\00:50:21.82
And you've been having baptisms.
00:50:21.85\00:50:24.65
We've been having baptisms.
00:50:24.69\00:50:26.22
Yeah, that's comes
with our revelation.
00:50:26.25\00:50:27.72
And praise God for those.
00:50:27.76\00:50:29.36
Those are the highlights.
00:50:29.39\00:50:31.56
And you've also done
a documentary, right?
00:50:31.59\00:50:33.83
Okay, yeah.
00:50:33.86\00:50:35.20
That's what's
circulating currently.
00:50:35.23\00:50:36.87
That's what we'll be
doing in Colorado this week
00:50:36.90\00:50:38.27
and we'll be talking
about the seventh day beavers.
00:50:38.30\00:50:40.44
Tell us about that.
00:50:40.47\00:50:41.80
We have about...
00:50:41.84\00:50:43.17
Now this
happened when we moved out
00:50:43.20\00:50:44.71
of the country and
to out of the city,
00:50:44.74\00:50:46.54
I mean into the country.
00:50:46.57\00:50:48.74
God worked on our hearts
00:50:48.78\00:50:50.15
to just get out of the city,
and let's move to the country,
00:50:50.18\00:50:52.25
and we found
miracle after a miracle.
00:50:52.28\00:50:53.98
Someone offers a
free home and moved up
00:50:54.02\00:50:56.32
in the Modoc National Forest.
00:50:56.35\00:50:57.85
I mean we really
moved to the country.
00:50:57.89\00:50:59.39
I mean it was beaver country.
00:50:59.42\00:51:02.16
And so on a Sabbath
afternoon walk one day
00:51:02.19\00:51:04.49
and I come across this
big huge beaver dam, you know.
00:51:04.53\00:51:07.56
And that to me for a city guy,
it's just, wow, this is nature,
00:51:07.60\00:51:11.20
we have arrived, found nature.
00:51:11.23\00:51:14.64
I saw him come back Sabbath
after, Saturday after Saturday,
00:51:14.67\00:51:17.11
take these
little walks out there,
00:51:17.14\00:51:18.64
and I'd bring the
family, and we'd look at them,
00:51:18.67\00:51:20.81
no beavers, all we would see
is the results of their work,
00:51:20.84\00:51:23.98
the dam, the large, huge
I mean like a six foot tall,
00:51:24.01\00:51:28.62
giant, large dam there.
00:51:28.65\00:51:31.42
And I thought, "Well, beavers
are hard to find, right?"
00:51:31.45\00:51:34.46
But one day I went out there
on a non Saturday day and there
00:51:34.49\00:51:37.83
they were just
working, just doing things.
00:51:37.86\00:51:39.86
And I couldn't believe it.
00:51:39.89\00:51:41.43
I got my camera out
and I started filming,
00:51:41.46\00:51:44.20
and I went back
the next Saturday,
00:51:44.23\00:51:45.57
brought the family, you know.
00:51:45.60\00:51:46.94
And no beavers,
00:51:46.97\00:51:48.30
they didn't
come out on Saturday.
00:51:48.34\00:51:50.11
And so I remember back
before I moved out of the city,
00:51:50.14\00:51:54.64
we had a
apartment right next to us
00:51:54.68\00:51:56.14
where a guy named Bill lived.
00:51:56.18\00:51:57.65
Bill told me out
of the blue one day
00:51:57.68\00:51:59.71
that he noticed the bees
in this orange groves nearby
00:51:59.75\00:52:02.58
would fly in these patterns
00:52:02.62\00:52:04.22
every day of the
week except for Saturday.
00:52:04.25\00:52:05.95
On Saturdays they wouldn't fly.
00:52:05.99\00:52:07.79
And he just told me
that out of the blue.
00:52:07.82\00:52:09.89
Didn't mean
anything to me at the time.
00:52:09.92\00:52:11.69
But I did realize,
well, that's must be
00:52:11.73\00:52:13.06
because God's Sabbath
is on Saturday, and so,
00:52:13.09\00:52:16.83
but it stuck in my
mind and when I came back
00:52:16.87\00:52:18.93
and I would see
them on Wednesday,
00:52:18.97\00:52:20.30
I'd see them on Sunday,
00:52:20.34\00:52:21.67
but I wouldn't
see them on Saturday.
00:52:21.70\00:52:23.20
I said, I wonder if these bees
00:52:23.24\00:52:26.24
or beavers are doing
what Bill's bees are doing.
00:52:26.27\00:52:29.11
So I got the crazy idea
to take my camera out there
00:52:29.14\00:52:32.45
and do a observational study.
00:52:32.48\00:52:34.65
You know, I learned a little bit
00:52:34.68\00:52:36.02
about the
scientific method, you observe,
00:52:36.05\00:52:37.42
you collect data, and
I said I want to do that.
00:52:37.45\00:52:39.05
This is an awesome
project the kids going to help.
00:52:39.09\00:52:41.59
And so for like
the next three years,
00:52:41.62\00:52:43.76
I'm doing this is
before work, after work.
00:52:43.79\00:52:46.09
I'm studying on beavers.
00:52:46.13\00:52:48.16
And we have a trailer.
00:52:48.20\00:52:49.53
Don't we have a
little clip from that?
00:52:49.56\00:52:52.03
Let's show it. We do.
00:52:52.07\00:52:53.40
That would
explain the whole thing.
00:52:53.44\00:52:54.77
Yeah.
00:52:54.80\00:52:56.14
It all started when
we move out of the city.
00:53:09.72\00:53:14.16
We moved way up here.
00:53:14.19\00:53:16.39
Way up to this remote area
by the Modoc National Forest.
00:53:16.42\00:53:22.16
Here I discovered this
really neat beaver colony.
00:53:22.20\00:53:27.14
I was so excited by
this close encounter
00:53:27.17\00:53:30.01
with nature that
I started to film
00:53:30.04\00:53:32.71
with the video camera.
00:53:32.74\00:53:35.54
That's when I made a
remarkable observation.
00:53:35.58\00:53:40.22
These beavers were out and
about every day of the week
00:53:40.25\00:53:43.69
except Saturdays.
00:53:43.72\00:53:45.69
I was never able to get
any pictures on Saturdays.
00:53:45.72\00:53:51.53
So I decided to
do a little study,
00:53:51.56\00:53:54.63
the incredible results
I want to share with you
00:53:54.66\00:53:57.93
in this documentary I
call the 7th Day Beavers.
00:53:57.97\00:54:02.77
Isn't it amazing
how the Creator God
00:54:12.68\00:54:16.82
created the
animals and the insects
00:54:16.85\00:54:19.65
to even observe the Sabbath?
00:54:19.69\00:54:21.86
I mean, that's amazing.
00:54:21.89\00:54:23.22
He left His print, right?
00:54:23.26\00:54:24.79
That's right.
00:54:24.83\00:54:26.16
I mean, His imprint of creation.
00:54:26.19\00:54:27.90
You know, we've
lost that, haven't we?
00:54:27.93\00:54:29.86
Mankind generally has lost
00:54:29.90\00:54:31.80
the idea that God
created us in six days.
00:54:31.83\00:54:33.80
Oh, yeah.
00:54:33.84\00:54:35.17
So the Sabbath is a
memorial of that event.
00:54:35.20\00:54:38.07
That's right.
00:54:38.11\00:54:39.44
And I have only studied
this one family beavers.
00:54:39.47\00:54:41.84
So I don't know
what other beavers do.
00:54:41.88\00:54:43.21
But I've heard a
number of other stories.
00:54:43.24\00:54:45.15
In fact we're hoping to
do a follow up documentary
00:54:45.18\00:54:48.48
if we can get the funding
00:54:48.52\00:54:49.85
as called Animals
that rest on Saturday.
00:54:49.88\00:54:51.89
Because we've had a
numerous stories coming in,
00:54:51.92\00:54:54.89
doctors,
neuroscientist gave me a story.
00:54:54.92\00:54:57.56
Things we're studying,
Dr Greenway in South America
00:54:57.59\00:55:01.36
just been
studying circadian rhythms.
00:55:01.40\00:55:03.00
He wants to know about us.
00:55:03.03\00:55:04.37
We're flying to Australia
00:55:04.40\00:55:05.73
to do a program on
evolution and creation
00:55:05.77\00:55:07.64
in March, it's
about, it's called Origins.
00:55:07.67\00:55:09.97
Nice.
00:55:10.01\00:55:11.37
And this beaver
story has turned out
00:55:11.41\00:55:14.24
to be an
amazing witnessing tool.
00:55:14.28\00:55:15.98
It's bringing
people into the church.
00:55:16.01\00:55:19.61
I did a seminar in
Montana just recently.
00:55:19.65\00:55:21.98
And I met, a
little boy came out to me,
00:55:22.02\00:55:23.55
a six year old boy came out
to me, he started hugging me.
00:55:23.59\00:55:26.25
And I was like,
what's going on here.
00:55:26.29\00:55:28.16
His mom comes up, you
know, why he's doing that?
00:55:28.19\00:55:29.89
He says, Little Jonathan,
there he shared your beaver DVD
00:55:29.92\00:55:35.36
with this Baptist pastor
and now the Baptist pastor
00:55:35.40\00:55:37.97
is now an Adventist.
00:55:38.00\00:55:39.33
He just recently got
baptized in our church
00:55:39.37\00:55:40.94
because of that video.
00:55:40.97\00:55:42.30
Because of that video.
00:55:42.34\00:55:43.67
You know
speaking of a little boys,
00:55:43.71\00:55:45.04
whatever happened to Jackson?
00:55:45.07\00:55:46.41
Jackson, well he recovered.
00:55:46.44\00:55:48.08
He made a full, full recovery.
00:55:48.11\00:55:50.08
And now he ended
up being the producer
00:55:50.11\00:55:52.75
for the 7th Day Beavers.
00:55:52.78\00:55:54.12
Wow! Amen.
00:55:54.15\00:55:55.48
When he was
first born, you know,
00:55:55.52\00:55:58.05
actually this is
before he drowned.
00:55:58.09\00:56:01.46
I had him in the
backpack and I would spend hours
00:56:01.49\00:56:03.53
and hours just
observing beavers.
00:56:03.56\00:56:04.99
Now he's grown
up. He's 18 years old.
00:56:05.03\00:56:07.03
He is the main producer,
the technical producer for...
00:56:07.06\00:56:09.86
He has an amazing
talent in our ministry.
00:56:09.90\00:56:12.43
He's an app developer for Apple.
00:56:12.47\00:56:15.10
He's got what is that...
00:56:15.14\00:56:17.01
The techie. Techie.
00:56:17.04\00:56:18.61
He's a super techie.
00:56:18.64\00:56:19.97
Wow.
00:56:20.01\00:56:22.01
Look at God.
00:56:22.04\00:56:24.21
He had a plan for his life.
00:56:24.25\00:56:26.48
Spared his life.
00:56:26.51\00:56:27.85
He has an amazing testimony.
00:56:27.88\00:56:30.35
Praise the Lord.
Yes, praise the Lord.
00:56:30.39\00:56:31.89
God is good. Yes, indeed.
00:56:31.92\00:56:33.59
So one more thing
back to the beavers
00:56:33.62\00:56:36.86
like some of our
viewers might want to support,
00:56:36.89\00:56:39.83
you're doing this next video
00:56:39.86\00:56:42.30
and documentary on animals
that observe the Sabbath.
00:56:42.33\00:56:45.70
Animals at rest.
00:56:45.73\00:56:47.07
We call animals
that rest on Saturday.
00:56:47.10\00:56:48.44
I love it.
00:56:48.47\00:56:49.80
You know, the story was
called the 7th Day Beavers,
00:56:49.84\00:56:51.31
just about a colony of beavers.
00:56:51.34\00:56:52.67
But they told me,
00:56:52.71\00:56:54.04
let's get the
word Saturday in there,
00:56:54.08\00:56:56.04
let's get the word rest,
animals that rest on Saturday.
00:56:56.08\00:56:59.15
And so we've got stories.
00:56:59.18\00:57:00.65
We've got stories
about animals in the jungle.
00:57:00.68\00:57:03.59
Seventh-day Adventist
dogs, we've got donkeys,
00:57:03.62\00:57:06.65
we've an elephant
00:57:06.69\00:57:08.66
that was doing a
Pepsi commercial.
00:57:08.69\00:57:10.53
They said, "Well,
don't come on Saturday."
00:57:10.56\00:57:11.89
This elephant will
not work on Saturdays.
00:57:11.93\00:57:13.26
That's strange.
00:57:13.29\00:57:15.23
He's not a Christian.
00:57:15.26\00:57:16.60
He's just...
00:57:16.63\00:57:17.97
I don't know why
00:57:18.00\00:57:19.33
that he doesn't
do any Saturdays.
00:57:19.37\00:57:20.70
Well, when you
think about Noah's Ark,
00:57:20.74\00:57:22.07
they all need to get in ark.
00:57:22.10\00:57:23.44
That's right. That's right.
00:57:23.47\00:57:24.81
God must have let them in there.
00:57:24.84\00:57:26.17
But I can't tell you exactly
00:57:26.21\00:57:27.91
why the beavers
didn't come out of there.
00:57:27.94\00:57:30.48
They never came out
their lodge on Saturdays.
00:57:30.51\00:57:32.71
It was like they
hibernated for 24 hours.
00:57:32.75\00:57:35.18
I've seen them come
up right at sundown.
00:57:35.22\00:57:37.02
Right as soon as the sun
goes down, here are they.
00:57:37.05\00:57:39.22
I've seen him come
up on queue at sundown,
00:57:39.25\00:57:41.56
you know, just give
me a little message there
00:57:41.59\00:57:44.09
with the cameras
on and everything.
00:57:44.13\00:57:45.63
We thank you for your
work and for being with us.
00:57:45.66\00:57:49.03
Thank you so much.
00:57:49.06\00:57:50.40
Praise God. Well,
thank you for having me.
00:57:50.43\00:57:51.77
This was so enlightening.
00:57:51.80\00:57:53.27
What a blessing.
00:57:53.30\00:57:54.64
And you can see
that God's still moving.
00:57:54.67\00:57:58.77
God is incredible, incredible
creator of the universe.
00:57:58.81\00:58:02.41
Thank you for watching.
00:58:02.44\00:58:03.78
Tune in next time
'cause it wouldn't be
00:58:03.81\00:58:05.15
the same without you.
00:58:05.18\00:58:06.82