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My name is Yvonne
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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Today, our guest
is Lotolua Ilaoa.
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Did I say it
right? Yes, you have.
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Welcome to Urban
Report. Thank you.
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First of all, I need
to say, hi, to Jason.
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Oh! Thank you. Jason!
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Welcome, I'm so
glad you're co-hosting.
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All right, glad to be here.
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I just found out about you today
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and we always want to
share powerful testimonies
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with our
viewers and we know that
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you're on the today
program earlier for 3ABN.
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And well, Pastor
John Lomacang said,
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"You've got to
interview this brother."
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So we're gonna
call you brother Loto,
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so I don't butcher your name.
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Yes.
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Brother Loto and
we just want to hear
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where God has brought you.
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So let's start with
where you were brought up,
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where were you raised?
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I was born and was raised up
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in the first 11 years of
my life in American Samoa.
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That's in South
Pacific where all those islands
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closer to New
Zealand, closer to Australia.
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You say it, say it again, Samoa?
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American Samoa.
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See, we say Samoa, right? Yeah.
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But it's Samoa.
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Samoa, yes.
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It's just like, with Spanish.
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That's why it's kind of
easy to pronounce Spanish words
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because it's the
same pronunciation
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as where I'm from.
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So I was born
there and 11 years.
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And after when I was 11
then that's when my mother
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brought us to the
state to Hawaii first,
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and then to Hawaii to
here, to the United States.
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What led her to leave?
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Well, my older siblings,
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I'm the number
nine of eleven siblings.
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Wow! Wow!
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Five brothers and five sisters,
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and I have two younger sisters,
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younger than me
and but I'm the ninth.
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But most of them, the
older one siblings are here
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in the United States so
my mother wants to leave.
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We have our own
land, we have homes
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there in the Island,
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but she wants to
be closer to her kids.
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And I believe the main
thing was because my father
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was a visionary of education.
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She wants us to
have a good education
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because that's
power, he knew that.
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And so my mother kind
of followed along in that,
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you know, that
mindset and wants to bring
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his younger
kids to go to school.
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And that's why the
reason why she brought us here.
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So you moved to Hawaii...
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Moved to Hawaii,
that's where when my sister,
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my older sister was staying
as she's a Registered Nurse.
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And so she was kind of
grounded there and then
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so we came there just
to settle before we come in
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with the rest of the
families here in California.
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What was the
spiritual life in your home?
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Did you have a...
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Did you grow up in
a Christian home or...
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Yes, I grew up
in a Christian home
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with some of my siblings,
the older ones who're not.
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My father and my mother,
they were called Christians.
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The majority of
American Samoa people
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were Protestant Christians,
but in their own way.
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But my mother and my father,
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they were
suddenly keeping Christians
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and but my mother
was the one that found
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by the determination
of this Bible worker
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that came to our village.
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He was fearless.
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And so he came there
and witnessed to my mother
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and brought about this
message that we have today
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a Seventh Day Adventist.
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Ah! So... Oh, wow!
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Go ahead, Jason,
you had a question?
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So he came there, he
witnessed to your mom
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and then she became
Seventh Day Adventist.
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How did your dad take that?
Yeah, that's a wonderful story.
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My dad was very determined
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to discourage
the Bible worker guy,
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but my mother
was very determined.
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She was determined because
she not in a way defiance
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for my dad or
against my dad or his family,
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but she saw the truth.
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Today, I look back as, I'm
very proud to have a mother
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with no education whatsoever,
but she was determined to know
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because she saw this truth
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that she had never heard before.
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And I thank God
for that Bible worker.
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So to make a story, she
decided to give her life
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and to seal the
deal with the baptism
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so I do not, I don't
recall what date it was
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but it was on the Sabbath
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that she was going
to have this baptism.
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My dad was drunk and
see, my dad was been drinking
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and doing
everything, not in a drunk,
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he's not a drunk,
but he was under alcohol
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and he decided that, I
guess, he was trying to drown
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the pain of letting his wife.
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But he chose to
come on that Sabbath day
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and told the
pastor that was baptizing,
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and told him that,
"I want to be baptized
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with my wife."
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Yeah, because he
wants to join. I think...
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Had he been
sitting in on the studies?
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Had he been hearing them? No.
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He just did it all
because of his love for my wife,
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for my, I mean, for my mother.
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Yes.
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My mother was 12
years younger than my dad.
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My mother was very good looking.
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She was a very
good looking mother.
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And so my dad was like a person,
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that I think, her
looks broke him down.
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So, yeah.
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So he was so
enamored by her that...
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Yes.
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If she was gonna make this step,
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he was gonna make it too.
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Yes. And he came there drunk?
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He was under the influence
that was the story I heard.
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I might be wrong,
but this was a story
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that was passed down to me
from my mom and older siblings.
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So after the baptism,
did he remain an Adventist?
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Or what did he do?
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My father became more
zealous than my mother.
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Really?
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Because he was the oldest
of the children of my grandpa,
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and my
grandfather was a High Chief.
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He was a High
Chief of the village
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and that's not a small title.
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Ilaoa family is
very big in Loni village.
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It's called the Lion village.
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And so they're very, their
word is very, very powerful
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and influential
to all the villagers.
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So is the High
Chief like the king?
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The High Chief is
like the head of that...
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yes, on the village.
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Although, there
are other chiefs,
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but he was one of the main ones.
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And so, my father, my dad
was the oldest of the children
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and especially if
you are a man, a boy,
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so you are going to be
the next one to take over.
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But, my dad decided
he would not be part
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of the culture
and everything else.
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He wants to raise up
his children in this faith
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that he has learned.
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Oh!
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So it was something
that what causes a frown
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from my grandpa and grandmother
and as well as the family.
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Look how brave he had to be
to go up against his culture.
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Yes.
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And what he had
known all that time to say,
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"No, I don't want
to be a part of it."
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Was it because that
culture worshipped other gods?
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Or what was it that
made him feel uncomfortable
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with taking on
that High Chief title?
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I think he
looked at it in the way
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that because of the traditions.
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He looked at it
from that perspective
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and many of the
traditions will get his way
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which I see it today
with my Samoan people
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that our inner,
they're bringing that
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even inside the church.
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And often, it takes away
and so I saw that wisdom.
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I saw why he did what he did
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or by the leading
in the Holy Spirit.
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What he does, it
takes away the spiritual.
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Actually, the culture
dominates spiritual things
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and so I think I see his wisdom.
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But I can also
see that, you know,
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how like,
generations, like, I'm his son,
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but I can also see that
he could balanced it out
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in a way that
it'll win his family,
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if he will stand
firmly, but I guess at the time,
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you know, it was the
only light that he knew...
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Right.
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And so that's the
leading in the Holy Spirit
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that guided him to do
that to make that decision.
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So...
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So he decided that
he wasn't going to be
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the High Chief.
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Yes.
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And he was the
high priest... Yes.
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The priest of your home. Yes.
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And so your mom
and dad now, were they,
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did they force the
family to observe Sabbath
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and all that or how
did that, how did you guys
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fall in the line with all that?
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It was something like that.
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They were, you know, in a
way, it was something like that
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they were very strict.
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They were very strict.
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I remember when
I was growing up,
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we remember this,
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I didn't feel
that way towards my dad
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in a way that I felt
like I was being forced.
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My older siblings may, but
me, I get away with everything.
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My dad, there's no
wrong with my father.
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I don't do no wrong
before my father's eyes.
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Ah!
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You were one of
his favorites then, ah?
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You're the golden
child... Yeah, the golden child.
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The favorite. The favorite!
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The favorite and you
know, my dear brothers,
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they know that.
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I mean, don't get me wrong,
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my father loves
all his children.
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But, I was one
that never gets spanked.
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Yeah, so I can tell
you a very quick incidents
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and my brothers, one
time I get in trouble,
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get into trouble, and so
my mother can't catch me,
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I'll run, you know.
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And so she said, "Okay, you wait
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until your father gets home."
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So my father gets home,
to make a long story short,
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took us back in
the room and first,
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it was my older brother,
the one that's next to me.
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Both of us were the
one that get into trouble.
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And took him and
spanked him, you know,
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his hands and
he came out crying.
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Okay?
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And so, you know,
my mother looked at me
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and said, "Yeah, you're next.
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You're gonna get it."
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So I went in
there and, you know, me,
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I have no fear of my
dad, you know, because I know,
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me and him have that
connection with my dad.
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And so I went and I
just jump right on his lap,
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grab his hand and
play with his hands,
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and he was just looking
at me, and he went like this,
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"You know, I
have to do something
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or your mother
is going to get mad
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if I don't spank you."
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So he told me, he
said, "What I'm gonna do,
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I'm gonna hit my
hand with a belt.
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And when I hit my
hand you need to scream."
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So that's what
he did and I scream
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and I pretend to...
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Wow!
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To cry and I went
out and that was it.
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You know, that's how he treated,
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you know, yeah, anyway...
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So then growing up,
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your dad never disappointed you?
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Never, anything,
he was so proud of me
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when, you know, I will
always try to do things
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to make my father proud
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and to live up in a
way that pleases him.
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And I think that was the
reason why it makes it so easy
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when my heavenly Father
find His way into my heart,
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now I have that
same connection with Him.
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I want to do
things to please Him.
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Yes.
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I want to please
the one who loved me.
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Yes, yes, yes.
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Anyway so, right
now, I get almost like,
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you know, choked up
because I love Jesus so much
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because how can
you not love someone
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that gave his life for you?
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Yes.
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And so... Yes.
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So you, so you basically
got away with, you know,
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just everything with your dad.
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I'll get away with
murder with my dad.
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And your mom, she
didn't discipline you?
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She was the disciplinary. Okay.
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When my dad was not
there, when, he passed,
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when I was nine years old.
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I was nine years
old when my dad passed
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and so that's when
the effect of discipline
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I started knowing and learning.
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She didn't meant that
was the only way that,
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you know, she
can know back then,
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but I'm glad I
got spanked in a way
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to get my
senses right correctly.
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But, yes, yes, my dad passed
when I was nine years old.
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How did you react or
respond to your father passing?
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Very angry, I
lost, I rebel against,
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I hate the world.
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I hate the world because
my dad was not only my dad,
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he was like a God to me.
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I didn't know God,
but that was my God.
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And so when he
was taken from me,
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I thank God that I was not
old when that happened to my dad
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because the
individuals that was responsible
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for hitting a drunk driver,
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I will probably
take it out on them so,
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but I'm glad God, it's amazing.
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He knows, He
knows our weaknesses,
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He knows where we need to be.
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So your dad died suddenly?
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Yes.
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My dad was in the Marines.
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And then after he
got out of the Marines,
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he became a
police in the Island.
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And then after that
he became the director
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of the Motor Pool
for the government.
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So he was the director,
so the drivers has to come
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from the place to
pick him up from my home,
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from our home to
take them to work.
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But, this particular
driver came to pick him up
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instead of coming
directly to pick up my dad.
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He stopped by one
of my relatives bar
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and took a drink.
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And so to make a
long story short,
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after he got off, he
was under the influence,
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he's raced down
the streets with the...
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because in the
main road of the Island,
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there's only one, and
so there's only two lanes
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and so they raced down,
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my dad walked up to
the streets, you know,
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walk up to the main
road because he was waiting
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for the guy to pick him up.
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And so when he walked up there,
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he has kind of hearing
problem with one of his ears,
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I don't remember which one.
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And so when they
were racing down,
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I guess one of them
kind of swerved off,
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I guess it was time to turn
or whatever, however he did,
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and he took off
and come directly
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and hit my dad on
the side of the road,
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and dragged him
underneath the vehicle.
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He was alive.
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My dad was alive
only for a moment
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when we took him to the hospital
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and that's when he left
those words with my mother,
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he told...
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let me see if I can, in English.
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He says, "Be
courageous," he told my mother.
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He gave a charge.
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He says, "Be courageous,
remember our children."
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And so that's what I
think that was the burden
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that my mother always had.
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It was that to trying to
be courageous for all of us,
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and in the same time
to remember his children,
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his and her children, my father,
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to raise them or trying
to keep that charge upright.
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So all she had to do is prayer.
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She became the prayer
warrior for our family.
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She pray intensively
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and I'm the product
of those prayers today.
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Oh, yeah. In
spite of my rebellion.
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Oh, Yes.
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So when did you begin to rebel?
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You said that you
became very angry.
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Yes. Were you angry with God?
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Were you angry with your dad?
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Who were you
angry with when he died?
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I cannot say I
was angry with God
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'cause I didn't know God.
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But, I think I was
just angry at anybody.
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I was just angry in
anything because I felt that
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I had lost a great loss to me.
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He was someone that
was very special to me.
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So I can never say, you
know, I was angry to God.
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I never did because
the reason why I said that,
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one of the things
I've learned from my dad
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that that he loved this God.
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He loved this God. And
so I don't know this God.
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I didn't know God,
but I trust my dad.
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I trust him that if he loved Him
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then I can trust Him too.
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I can love Him.
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It's almost like
the story of Joseph.
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It reminds me a lot of...
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I mean, Joseph was 17 years old
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when he was sold by
his brothers to Egypt.
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And I was
wondering, I've been wondering
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about that story because
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how can the 17 year
old was sold by his own kin
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and yet he trusted God?
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When I turned back, when I start
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reading into the
stories, I saw that it says,
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he often spent time
with his father Jacob.
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And Jacob tell him all
the stories about his life.
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And you know the
story that, you know,
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Jacob ran for his
life because of what he did
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to his brother Esau.
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So 20 years he ran.
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So I believe
that Joseph on his way
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whether he was
walking, or dragging,
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or being in a cart whatever,
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however they
transport him to Egypt,
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that's what he
had it in his mind.
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He may not know God,
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but remember the
dreams that he had.
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He had an experience with God.
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And so he said to himself,
"I'm gonna trust this God.
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I'm gonna trust
the God of my dad."
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And so the same
with me, I trusted God.
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I didn't curse or
whatever it maybe, never.
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Right!
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I knew that I can't do
because I was very respectful.
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It was one of the
things I've learned from my dad
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was vary to be respectful.
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Loyal then be
respectful, so anyway.
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So your dad dies at nine
and then you go into puberty
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and the teen years, what
happened during that time?
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Well, you know, I came
here in the United States.
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I was about 11 years old
and I started going to school,
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and well,
actually, I got to go back.
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In those years, they
have this thing, you know,
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in the islands where there were,
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since I have all older brothers,
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they would take
their younger brother
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and match up with
other younger brothers
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of other families.
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And they'll often have fights.
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They will fight,
fist of fist, you know,
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you obviously don't
have nothing on us back then.
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Back then, it was
just knuckle to knuckle.
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Wow!
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And so you know,
that's what we were doing,
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that's what, you
know, they would put me to,
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you know, against other kids.
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And I never lost a fight,
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so yeah, that's where I started,
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I believe that's
how I now channel
00:19:01.47\00:19:05.64
this anger within me,
this pain of losing my dad.
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So I was taking out on fighting.
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What were you guys fighting for?
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Was it position, or what was it?
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It was more like bragging rights
00:19:20.16\00:19:22.42
for the older
brothers, for the families.
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It was always like for families,
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whose family,
who's a siblings, who's,
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and that's usually the case
because there's always someone
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that, "Okay,
we're better than you."
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The family names
like, the Ilaoa name,
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and whatever it is so.
00:19:36.37\00:19:37.97
But, I think most of
it is just bragging rights
00:19:38.01\00:19:40.51
on the older siblings.
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And so they like to put up
their little brothers to fight.
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And this particular one
brother of mine and so he,
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I've always, me and
him used to be very,
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we're very close
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because from that
since point when I was young.
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And that was one of
the incidents, you know,
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kind of back track.
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It was one morning
we were onto school,
00:20:05.13\00:20:08.04
going to school day with my
dad because he was so envision
00:20:08.07\00:20:10.51
in his children
to have education.
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And so there's
only one good school
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with good
education in the island
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and that was a Catholic school.
00:20:20.68\00:20:22.62
He already is a
Seventh-day Adventist.
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He's taking his
boys to a Catholic school
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because that was
one of the best schools
00:20:27.86\00:20:29.52
to educate them.
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So they had to get
up early in the morning
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and take the bus
early in the morning.
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And me and my other brother,
00:20:36.63\00:20:38.53
a little bit older than
me and my younger sister,
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the youngest one was too young
00:20:41.67\00:20:43.27
to go to school at this time.
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And so we had to go
to the public school.
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So they go this
way, we go this way.
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So when we're on
our way to go to school,
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they have the special place
where they wait for the bus
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to come and pick
them up to take them.
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And I saw, when I came
out we saw there was a fight.
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You know, my two brothers there,
00:21:02.16\00:21:03.69
one of them is fighting
this big guy, bully guy.
00:21:03.73\00:21:07.73
And so the first
instinct in my, that's how I'm
00:21:07.76\00:21:10.30
because, you know, ever
since I was little, I have this,
00:21:10.33\00:21:12.50
I've always been
protective of my family.
00:21:12.53\00:21:16.07
And you're not
gonna mess with my family.
00:21:16.10\00:21:18.14
You mess with my family,
I'm gonna bring it to you.
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And so I saw it and the
first, I didn't even ask,
00:21:21.64\00:21:24.65
I ran over there.
00:21:24.68\00:21:26.01
I didn't even think
twice or anything, I ran,
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I saw it was my brother.
00:21:27.95\00:21:29.55
But, my other older brother
is just standing with my sister.
00:21:29.58\00:21:32.55
So when I got there,
there was all these boys,
00:21:32.59\00:21:36.19
you know, at the time,
they were, I think they were,
00:21:36.22\00:21:39.09
I say they were
in their 13s, 14s.
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At that time they were big,
00:21:43.40\00:21:44.97
I'm only like
about eight years old.
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Wow! Were you a big kid?
00:21:48.37\00:21:50.84
No, I don't consider myself big,
00:21:50.87\00:21:53.58
but my brothers
were bigger, you know,
00:21:53.61\00:21:55.38
they were big
like, regular Samoan guy.
00:21:55.41\00:21:59.35
But, I was always a
person that likes to be fit,
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you know, I like to stay fit
00:22:01.92\00:22:03.62
and especially what I was doing.
00:22:03.65\00:22:06.02
And so I ran down there
and I saw that my brother was,
00:22:06.05\00:22:09.82
this guy got him
around on a chokehold
00:22:09.86\00:22:11.33
like this
underneath with his back on it.
00:22:11.36\00:22:14.06
And I look at my other brother,
he was just standing there.
00:22:14.10\00:22:16.90
I don't believe that
because when, you know,
00:22:16.93\00:22:18.60
when somebody is,
you know, your kin
00:22:18.63\00:22:20.80
or somebody is in
trouble, you help.
00:22:20.84\00:22:23.07
Now, remember I'm a little kid.
00:22:23.10\00:22:25.04
In the islands,
they have this thing
00:22:25.07\00:22:26.41
that where they
decorate their driveways
00:22:26.44\00:22:28.54
and their homes with rocks
and they paint these rocks,
00:22:28.58\00:22:33.01
you know, you can
find in many islands,
00:22:33.05\00:22:34.48
they paint rocks like
specially with the color,
00:22:34.52\00:22:36.69
bright colors.
00:22:36.72\00:22:38.05
The colors of our
village is gold and green.
00:22:38.09\00:22:40.92
So they painted
all these, you know,
00:22:40.96\00:22:43.19
make it beautiful
that colors with gold.
00:22:43.22\00:22:45.99
So the first thing caught
my eye was that gold big rock.
00:22:46.03\00:22:48.46
I can't take this
guy, he was too big.
00:22:48.50\00:22:50.57
I said, "Get off my
brother." And he's still...
00:22:50.60\00:22:53.97
So I grabbed this big rock
and when he turned his back...
00:22:54.00\00:22:58.61
You know, I'm not
glorifying in this
00:22:58.64\00:23:00.44
and that's kind of
thing when I was a little kid,
00:23:00.48\00:23:02.11
I was always protective.
00:23:02.14\00:23:03.88
I broke his back.
00:23:03.91\00:23:05.68
I got him off and then they came
00:23:05.71\00:23:07.15
and chased him off.
00:23:07.18\00:23:08.52
Well, anyway, to make a
story, this is one of the things
00:23:08.55\00:23:10.49
my dad was still
alive at this time.
00:23:10.52\00:23:13.19
Went to school, came back,
00:23:13.22\00:23:14.56
the whole family
of this injured boy
00:23:14.59\00:23:18.86
came to my father to
apologize or whatever
00:23:18.89\00:23:21.86
because remember,
my dad was up there
00:23:21.90\00:23:24.10
and trying to make things right
00:23:24.13\00:23:25.47
because they know who my dad is.
00:23:25.50\00:23:27.64
So when I was walking
by and my dad looked out
00:23:27.67\00:23:30.14
and he saw me walking
down, he just looked at me
00:23:30.17\00:23:31.97
like this one approval saying...
00:23:32.01\00:23:33.81
like that.
00:23:33.84\00:23:35.34
And that's how
it is with my dad.
00:23:35.38\00:23:36.91
You know, me and him,
I did not believe that
00:23:36.95\00:23:39.65
he was looking for that.
00:23:39.68\00:23:41.48
He was looking for
a son that is strong,
00:23:41.52\00:23:46.52
and I think
that was, in my heart
00:23:46.55\00:23:48.72
I wanted to please him.
00:23:48.76\00:23:51.39
But when he was
taken, that's when I got,
00:23:51.43\00:23:54.53
that's when all that
rebelism love to fight,
00:23:54.56\00:23:57.27
you know, all that
because it take you that long.
00:23:57.30\00:24:00.47
Anyway, that's the beginning.
00:24:00.50\00:24:01.84
I mean, this is the
kind of thing, I believe,
00:24:01.87\00:24:05.04
I understand what
they're talking about.
00:24:05.07\00:24:06.41
It starts when you're young.
00:24:06.44\00:24:08.28
Whatever that you
behold and whatever it is,
00:24:08.31\00:24:11.78
that's gonna
form your perspective
00:24:11.81\00:24:14.72
of what life is going to be.
00:24:14.75\00:24:16.38
And that was
something I was good at,
00:24:16.42\00:24:18.35
that was
something I was adapt to it
00:24:18.39\00:24:20.36
is violence at the time.
00:24:20.39\00:24:22.46
So it was easy for me.
00:24:22.49\00:24:23.96
It was easy for me
to get into violence.
00:24:23.99\00:24:25.83
Violence was second nature.
00:24:25.86\00:24:27.86
It was something
normal and natural so...
00:24:27.90\00:24:30.67
It's so interesting how
the devil just, you know,
00:24:30.70\00:24:34.74
he knows our propensities,
he knows our tendencies,
00:24:34.77\00:24:41.31
and he will take those and bring
00:24:41.34\00:24:44.08
the worst out of us with that.
00:24:44.11\00:24:46.68
Whereas, of course,
the Lord wants to take
00:24:46.72\00:24:48.72
our weaknesses and
strengthen us through Him.
00:24:48.75\00:24:53.89
Yes. Not strengthen.
00:24:53.92\00:24:55.26
In ourselves...
00:24:55.29\00:24:56.62
Right, right and not, you
know, nurture the sin, but...
00:24:56.66\00:25:00.10
Yeah. Deliver us from sin.
00:25:00.13\00:25:01.96
So that's where the
violence took route for you.
00:25:02.00\00:25:07.00
So then what happened?
00:25:07.04\00:25:08.94
When did you get
into the whole drug scene?
00:25:08.97\00:25:13.88
Okay, that was after
my high school years,
00:25:13.91\00:25:16.14
I joined, my high school
years, I was belong to a gang.
00:25:16.18\00:25:20.68
These are just
thug kids, you know,
00:25:20.72\00:25:22.62
like you're here
today, I don't know
00:25:22.65\00:25:23.99
if you heard about
the Crips, the Bloods.
00:25:24.02\00:25:25.69
Oh, yeah.
00:25:25.72\00:25:27.06
You heard about the
Nortenos, the Surenos,
00:25:27.09\00:25:29.26
and many other
main ones that you see
00:25:29.29\00:25:31.63
even now the Mexican case of,
00:25:31.66\00:25:34.06
that come from El
Salvador and all that.
00:25:34.10\00:25:36.26
Those are thugs, those are kids.
00:25:36.30\00:25:38.77
But I started that way.
00:25:38.80\00:25:40.30
And it's just like
you said, it's a sea
00:25:40.34\00:25:41.74
that you started out
that way and you work
00:25:41.77\00:25:44.07
and graduate
yourself up to the guys
00:25:44.11\00:25:48.04
that are actually
doing most of these crimes
00:25:48.08\00:25:49.84
that you see today.
00:25:49.88\00:25:51.61
They're the ones responsible,
but they don't get caught
00:25:51.65\00:25:53.78
because they are
legit people in a society.
00:25:53.82\00:25:58.39
But many of them
are, they're very dirty.
00:25:58.42\00:26:01.16
You know, we're talking
about not your regular police,
00:26:01.19\00:26:03.66
the police, the
majority of police
00:26:03.69\00:26:05.83
are good men, good women.
00:26:05.86\00:26:08.53
But, the ones that are over them
00:26:08.56\00:26:11.00
and those are the
ones that are very much
00:26:11.03\00:26:12.70
corrupt or intact, you
know, with crime and I believe,
00:26:12.73\00:26:16.71
today that this drug
war that we have today
00:26:16.74\00:26:20.14
or whatever it may
be, they will never win.
00:26:20.18\00:26:22.44
You can never win that thing
because there's money involved.
00:26:22.48\00:26:25.31
Right!
00:26:25.35\00:26:26.68
And when money is
involved, well, then corrupt,
00:26:26.72\00:26:29.88
people will become corrupted.
00:26:29.92\00:26:31.82
So, how did you get
lured into the gang?
00:26:31.85\00:26:34.92
Okay.
00:26:34.96\00:26:36.29
The gangs is, it was easy for me
00:26:36.32\00:26:37.66
'cause it was just
hanged out with groups,
00:26:37.69\00:26:39.59
you know, with my boys.
00:26:39.63\00:26:41.70
It was a Asian Pacific Islander,
00:26:41.73\00:26:45.17
Asian Pacific
Islander gang, you know,
00:26:45.20\00:26:47.94
it's constitute of
Vietnamese and Koreans,
00:26:47.97\00:26:52.17
Chinese, Samoans, Guamanians.
00:26:52.21\00:26:55.71
So it's not like
an Asian Pacific gang
00:26:55.74\00:26:58.78
and we call
ourselves, "the chap rocks"
00:26:58.81\00:27:01.35
and chap rocks is a
Filipino name for long tail.
00:27:01.38\00:27:05.35
So we wear red rag,
00:27:05.39\00:27:08.49
we tie our rags in our
neck and hang in the back.
00:27:08.52\00:27:11.93
And they have what
you call the blue rags
00:27:11.96\00:27:15.50
and those are the Northside boys
00:27:15.53\00:27:16.87
in San Jose, California.
00:27:16.90\00:27:18.70
And so we would
usually go up against them
00:27:18.73\00:27:21.67
because they were all
much, much older boys.
00:27:21.70\00:27:24.87
That's like the
Bloods and the Crips.
00:27:24.91\00:27:26.34
So the Red and
the Blue, right? Yes.
00:27:26.37\00:27:28.54
And usually, they
get along, you know,
00:27:28.58\00:27:30.41
whoever, if you're a red rag,
00:27:30.45\00:27:31.78
you get along with the Nortenos,
00:27:31.81\00:27:33.15
you'll get
along with the Bloods.
00:27:33.18\00:27:34.55
If you're a blue
rag, you'll get along
00:27:34.58\00:27:36.18
with the El Salvadorians,
the Surenos, and like that,
00:27:36.22\00:27:41.06
all simple is in California.
00:27:41.09\00:27:43.53
So I was involved in
that for a little bit,
00:27:43.56\00:27:45.39
but I wasn't into the drug yet.
00:27:45.43\00:27:48.13
The drug came later on
when I got out of the Navy,
00:27:48.16\00:27:51.23
although, I was in the
military after High school
00:27:51.27\00:27:56.40
and I just wanted to get away,
to get away from everything.
00:27:56.44\00:28:00.81
And so the founder of
the gang, the thug gang
00:28:00.84\00:28:04.41
went in the Navy with
me, you know, he went in,
00:28:04.45\00:28:07.28
I joined, and we took off.
00:28:07.32\00:28:10.55
And it was after that
when I got off, I was intended,
00:28:10.59\00:28:14.02
I wanted to be a police.
00:28:14.06\00:28:16.09
I actually wanted to
be a cop when I got out.
00:28:16.12\00:28:19.53
And so I went
about, I went to school
00:28:19.56\00:28:21.70
to do all the
schools for firearms
00:28:21.73\00:28:23.67
and everything like
that, I went to training
00:28:23.70\00:28:26.90
with my intention and work
as a job to supply my needs
00:28:26.94\00:28:31.47
whereas security.
00:28:31.51\00:28:33.34
So, but my focus
was to become a police.
00:28:33.38\00:28:36.91
I want to be
like my dad, you know,
00:28:36.95\00:28:39.05
in the military he was,
00:28:39.08\00:28:40.42
and I wanted to
follow that example.
00:28:40.45\00:28:43.28
But in that, through
that I meet some friends
00:28:43.32\00:28:46.89
and I saw the
ways of making money.
00:28:46.92\00:28:48.99
So I started out a
little bit in to do
00:28:49.02\00:28:51.03
to start out with
selling a little teen,
00:28:51.06\00:28:54.10
teener is a 100 bucks, you know,
00:28:54.13\00:28:56.23
and a c-note, you
know, like a c-note is a 100.
00:28:56.26\00:29:00.57
So and or selling 8 balls
00:29:00.60\00:29:03.00
and stuff like that with cocaine
00:29:03.04\00:29:05.44
and to make a long story
short, after I got myself into,
00:29:05.47\00:29:11.05
I got into a very bad
accident while I was a security,
00:29:11.08\00:29:15.12
not while I was
security, but in my mini truck,
00:29:15.15\00:29:19.62
I was having a party
with a friend all night
00:29:19.65\00:29:22.29
and I came back
from San Francisco
00:29:22.32\00:29:25.03
and my car, I fell asleep,
I flew off on the freeway
00:29:25.06\00:29:29.13
and hit the side of a building.
00:29:29.16\00:29:31.93
So I was fortunate
because I have a habit
00:29:31.97\00:29:34.10
of putting on a seatbelt,
00:29:34.14\00:29:36.97
but my friend that was on
the passenger seat did not
00:29:37.01\00:29:39.67
because, well, he didn't die,
00:29:39.71\00:29:42.11
but he flew
through and he was alive.
00:29:42.14\00:29:45.05
He's alive today.
00:29:45.08\00:29:47.45
But from then on,
I was injured myself
00:29:47.48\00:29:50.32
because I broke a
hip on the wall up,
00:29:50.35\00:29:53.05
it was chipped off
in the socket of my hip,
00:29:53.09\00:29:56.32
and I could see it in
the, there was a little piece.
00:29:56.36\00:29:58.43
I didn't know that
bones can grow back.
00:29:58.46\00:30:00.86
And so I found out later on
afterwards that it grew back
00:30:00.90\00:30:04.27
and it healed.
00:30:04.30\00:30:05.63
And so I was
thankful that I didn't choose
00:30:05.67\00:30:07.07
the advice of the
doctors who came to me and said,
00:30:07.10\00:30:09.90
there're six doctors, who said,
three doctors says to operate
00:30:09.94\00:30:12.94
and the other three says,
00:30:12.97\00:30:14.31
"Oh, if you leave
it and endure the pain,
00:30:14.34\00:30:16.14
it'll grow back
and you'll be fine."
00:30:16.18\00:30:18.11
I said, "Oh, no, I
would take the pain."
00:30:18.15\00:30:21.65
Because you
don't want hip surgery.
00:30:21.68\00:30:23.02
No, I didn't want
them to cut through me.
00:30:23.05\00:30:24.92
Yeah.
00:30:24.95\00:30:26.29
So while I was under that
healing process, you know,
00:30:26.32\00:30:29.76
for, I say about six
months, it was coming to an end.
00:30:29.79\00:30:33.53
One of my
colleagues, one of my friends
00:30:33.56\00:30:37.67
called me from
Washington and says,
00:30:37.70\00:30:39.13
"Why don't you come up here?
00:30:39.17\00:30:40.50
You know, and I got
some action over here."
00:30:40.54\00:30:44.07
So that's when I said,
"Well, you know what..."
00:30:44.11\00:30:45.61
He said, "I'll pay
you way to come up."
00:30:45.64\00:30:46.98
I said, "No."
00:30:47.01\00:30:48.34
I was just gonna
come up, I'll pay my way,
00:30:48.38\00:30:50.01
I'll pay my way because
my intention was not that,
00:30:50.05\00:30:51.91
I just want to get away.
00:30:51.95\00:30:54.08
And to get a new scenery
00:30:54.12\00:30:55.95
and then I'll come
back to California.
00:30:55.98\00:30:58.22
Well, when I went up there,
they were moving big weights,
00:30:58.25\00:31:03.53
and with my talent
and everything else
00:31:03.56\00:31:06.06
and I went in with them.
00:31:06.09\00:31:09.33
And so that's why I
started with the violence
00:31:09.36\00:31:11.80
and everything else
because you need to be that way
00:31:11.83\00:31:13.97
in order to control the people
and control the territory.
00:31:14.00\00:31:18.87
Yeah.
00:31:18.91\00:31:20.24
You know, that's one of
the things that I notice
00:31:20.28\00:31:23.24
about street culture is
that you can't, it's like,
00:31:23.28\00:31:29.98
you can't let people
take advantage of you
00:31:30.02\00:31:32.22
because if you do
then you look that as,
00:31:32.25\00:31:35.12
you know, we can...
00:31:35.16\00:31:36.49
Yeah.
00:31:36.52\00:31:37.86
And if you
respond, you have to respond
00:31:37.89\00:31:40.66
kind of over the top
00:31:40.70\00:31:42.40
which then gets
you in jail or killed.
00:31:42.43\00:31:44.70
It's like, it forces you
to have a whole different
00:31:44.73\00:31:49.44
way of dealing with things.
00:31:49.47\00:31:50.81
You can't just sit down
and talk about something.
00:31:50.84\00:31:53.38
Ah, you better go
harder than the next minute.
00:31:53.41\00:31:55.91
Yeah, and that
just, that takes you
00:31:55.94\00:31:57.98
into whole other realm
of either getting killed
00:31:58.01\00:32:01.25
or getting incarcerated.
00:32:01.28\00:32:02.78
Yes.
00:32:02.82\00:32:04.15
When your name is put
out there as you've been
00:32:04.19\00:32:06.19
letting something
slide of being passive,
00:32:06.22\00:32:08.72
well, then you'd be
surprised how the rest
00:32:08.76\00:32:12.29
will take advantage of that.
00:32:12.33\00:32:15.80
I think they can
get away with it.
00:32:15.83\00:32:17.17
Yes, they can get away with it.
00:32:17.20\00:32:18.53
And that's just what
Satan, that's his plan
00:32:18.57\00:32:20.70
because he wants to kill
you while you're out there...
00:32:20.74\00:32:22.60
Yes, correct.
00:32:22.64\00:32:23.97
He wants to destroy
you while you're out there.
00:32:24.01\00:32:26.11
And so if you go with
the way the street goes,
00:32:26.14\00:32:31.38
that's your destiny
because you don't see
00:32:31.41\00:32:33.18
a lot of "Oh,
geez," you don't...
00:32:33.21\00:32:34.78
No. You know...
00:32:34.82\00:32:36.15
There's no 401k.
00:32:36.18\00:32:37.72
Right, exactly.
00:32:37.75\00:32:39.59
Retiring in a box or a cell.
00:32:39.62\00:32:41.96
That's right. Yes.
00:32:41.99\00:32:43.32
That's right. So
you found yourself...
00:32:43.36\00:32:45.09
Yes.
00:32:45.13\00:32:46.70
You had been
doing the violent thing
00:32:46.73\00:32:51.10
from being a
kid that was kind of
00:32:51.13\00:32:53.90
nurtured in you over time.
00:32:53.94\00:32:56.60
And then now
you're finding yourself
00:32:56.64\00:32:59.87
in the street
with street culture...
00:32:59.91\00:33:02.24
Where you have to
defend what's yours...
00:33:02.28\00:33:06.11
And you can't let
anybody take advantage of you.
00:33:06.15\00:33:09.02
And you have to be serious.
00:33:09.05\00:33:10.42
Now you, now it's
getting serious now.
00:33:10.45\00:33:13.09
Right!
00:33:13.12\00:33:14.46
It's getting serious because
00:33:14.49\00:33:17.39
you're dealing with
some serious things.
00:33:17.43\00:33:21.73
And so you know, I was
introduced into that life
00:33:21.76\00:33:24.40
and you have to be tough
to control your territory.
00:33:24.43\00:33:27.87
And there were
Cubans from Florida,
00:33:27.90\00:33:30.34
there were Bloods and
Crips from Southern California.
00:33:30.37\00:33:34.74
And these are not wannabes,
00:33:34.78\00:33:36.54
these are the real
people, the real members.
00:33:36.58\00:33:38.85
And so they were
moving their territory
00:33:38.88\00:33:40.78
because they were chased
out because of the crackdown
00:33:40.82\00:33:42.92
of the authorities down
south in Southern California
00:33:42.95\00:33:46.29
and also in Florida.
00:33:46.32\00:33:47.66
So they're trying
to find new territory
00:33:47.69\00:33:49.02
where they can
move their products.
00:33:49.06\00:33:50.86
There's
different lines of families
00:33:50.89\00:33:53.70
that are controlling
cartel, different from Mexico
00:33:53.73\00:33:57.43
there's lines that
comes from the other side
00:33:57.47\00:34:00.50
of where Texas is at.
00:34:00.54\00:34:02.04
They will move that
line and all the families
00:34:02.07\00:34:04.07
that will run the drugs
that goes up from Texas,
00:34:04.11\00:34:06.51
Oklahoma,
Colorado, going that way.
00:34:06.54\00:34:08.74
So they're trying
to divide territories
00:34:08.78\00:34:10.61
and they want to
stay in territories,
00:34:10.65\00:34:12.55
whoever's controlling.
00:34:12.58\00:34:14.28
There's family in
this area where I met,
00:34:14.32\00:34:16.99
there's family that
control from the cartel
00:34:17.02\00:34:19.12
that's running the line
from Oregon, from California,
00:34:19.15\00:34:22.19
Oregon and
Washington, going up in Alaska.
00:34:22.22\00:34:26.49
So these are families,
00:34:26.53\00:34:28.16
these are not just
anybody that just wanted.
00:34:28.20\00:34:30.67
Many of the people that you
see that are selling cocaine,
00:34:30.70\00:34:34.17
They're are just
product, little guys
00:34:34.20\00:34:36.37
that are selling from,
00:34:36.40\00:34:37.81
they're getting
their stuff from families
00:34:37.84\00:34:39.37
that are controlling
the moving of things,
00:34:39.41\00:34:42.98
moving of the product.
00:34:43.01\00:34:44.85
So if you go to
South, if you go down south
00:34:44.88\00:34:47.22
or go into Mexico to
get then it's cheaper.
00:34:47.25\00:34:49.98
You know, they
would give it to the,
00:34:50.02\00:34:51.35
cartel would give
it to you cheaper.
00:34:51.39\00:34:52.85
But if they'll
bring the supply to you,
00:34:52.89\00:34:54.96
there's a lot of
risk then the product
00:34:54.99\00:34:56.73
will go up higher.
00:34:56.76\00:34:58.96
So the things in the,
in there, in these families
00:34:58.99\00:35:01.93
that are
controlling these things,
00:35:01.96\00:35:03.93
one of this particular
family that, they were decided
00:35:03.97\00:35:07.10
that they were trying
to save them some money
00:35:07.14\00:35:08.60
and send their
brothers, the two brothers,
00:35:08.64\00:35:11.14
one of their two
brothers that they send down
00:35:11.17\00:35:14.48
to Mexico to bring the product.
00:35:14.51\00:35:16.01
But when they sent
him down there, they play,
00:35:16.04\00:35:18.41
that's another part of
the game is, it gets dirty,
00:35:18.45\00:35:20.88
if you're weak
then they're gonna take
00:35:20.92\00:35:22.25
advantage of you.
00:35:22.28\00:35:23.92
So they put him to the test
00:35:23.95\00:35:25.29
and they kill
both of the brothers
00:35:25.32\00:35:27.22
and took the money
and everything else.
00:35:27.26\00:35:29.86
And that's part of the game,
00:35:29.89\00:35:31.33
it's part of
the life, that life.
00:35:31.36\00:35:33.23
The life is, if you're weak,
they're gonna take advantage.
00:35:33.26\00:35:35.96
But if you rise to
the occasion, you know,
00:35:36.00\00:35:38.20
to what somebody has
done to you, then yeah,
00:35:38.23\00:35:41.64
they'll be known that, "Okay,
that we can trust this guy,
00:35:41.67\00:35:44.54
they're not gonna
just fold up in a..."
00:35:44.57\00:35:47.38
So when they do that,
00:35:47.41\00:35:50.65
they do want to have a war
00:35:50.68\00:35:53.35
with the people of
the family up there.
00:35:53.38\00:35:54.72
So they gave them a
deal that if you provide
00:35:54.75\00:35:57.72
a safe house up
there in Washington,
00:35:57.75\00:35:59.42
we will bring the
product to you for free
00:35:59.45\00:36:02.39
and we'll settle or squash it.
00:36:02.42\00:36:04.76
We'll squash the thing.
00:36:04.79\00:36:06.90
Well, that's when they call
me because my name was known,
00:36:06.93\00:36:10.03
always known in the
streets and everything else
00:36:10.07\00:36:12.03
in up in Washington
and everything else.
00:36:12.07\00:36:14.70
And they would
call to whenever they,
00:36:14.74\00:36:17.01
these are the families
that controlled the stuff up,
00:36:17.04\00:36:19.71
then they would call me and say,
00:36:19.74\00:36:21.08
"Hey, yo, want to meet
up and we have the business
00:36:21.11\00:36:24.58
and things like that
you need to take care."
00:36:24.61\00:36:27.12
So whenever they need
something to be controlling,
00:36:27.15\00:36:29.45
they will call me.
00:36:29.48\00:36:31.45
And so they call me
in and we wanted to meet
00:36:31.49\00:36:35.79
and they asked me,
this is what happened
00:36:35.82\00:36:39.83
and what needs to be done.
00:36:39.86\00:36:41.36
This is where the house is at.
00:36:41.40\00:36:42.76
This is where the, it needs
to take care of the debts."
00:36:42.80\00:36:46.90
So knowing the fact that
there's a set up, you know,
00:36:46.94\00:36:51.77
in it and also I have
to ask them questions.
00:36:51.81\00:36:55.34
So I ask them and I
say, "What happened?"
00:36:55.38\00:36:56.71
And he ran it down to me
the secular story that happens,
00:36:56.75\00:36:58.98
and but you
don't trust, you don't,
00:36:59.01\00:37:00.65
there's no such thing.
00:37:00.68\00:37:02.02
The first lesson
that I've learned
00:37:02.05\00:37:04.49
in the street is that,
"You don't trust anyone."
00:37:04.52\00:37:07.66
When Jesus came into my life,
00:37:07.69\00:37:11.56
that's what it
makes sense to me, 'God'
00:37:11.59\00:37:14.26
and when I read
in the Scripture,
00:37:14.30\00:37:15.66
I believe it's in
Jeremiah 17:5 or 17:9.
00:37:15.70\00:37:22.00
Verse 5, it's in 17 I believe.
00:37:22.04\00:37:24.27
It says "Cursed is the
man that trusts in man.
00:37:24.31\00:37:27.48
Cursed is the men
that maketh man his trust
00:37:27.51\00:37:30.58
and whose heart departeth."
00:37:30.61\00:37:31.98
That makes a whole
lot of sense to me.
00:37:32.01\00:37:35.68
It makes sense to
me because I know that
00:37:35.72\00:37:37.92
I've been in the world.
00:37:37.95\00:37:39.85
And when the Scripture
is telling me that it says,
00:37:39.89\00:37:42.26
"I love this guy.
00:37:42.29\00:37:43.99
I trust this guy
because his word makes sense."
00:37:44.03\00:37:47.16
You know, a person
that doesn't, you know,
00:37:47.20\00:37:49.63
the Word of guy,
this all make sense to me.
00:37:49.66\00:37:51.43
So, I said,
"Okay, I can trust you."
00:37:51.47\00:37:55.34
So my first lesson was
in this where I survive is
00:37:55.37\00:37:58.54
don't trust anyone.
00:37:58.57\00:38:00.21
So ask them, I
say, "I tell you what?
00:38:00.24\00:38:01.94
Okay, you want
me to do this job.
00:38:01.98\00:38:03.51
Okay, that's
fine. That's no problem.
00:38:03.55\00:38:05.68
This is the amount.
00:38:05.71\00:38:07.05
This is what you're
gonna give me now..."
00:38:07.08\00:38:09.88
And I don't want to
glorify anything like that,
00:38:09.92\00:38:12.35
you know, those
thing that I've done.
00:38:12.39\00:38:13.99
I want to glorify
Jesus. Yes, of course.
00:38:14.02\00:38:16.26
You're just
laying the groundwork...
00:38:16.29\00:38:17.69
Correct. For
people to understand...
00:38:17.73\00:38:19.76
Yes. Where you were.
00:38:19.79\00:38:21.30
Oh, Yes, yes. Yeah, yeah.
00:38:21.33\00:38:23.67
And so I asked him a question,
I said, "I tell you what,
00:38:23.70\00:38:27.47
if that was my
family, if that was my family,
00:38:27.50\00:38:30.94
my blood, I would
want to do it myself,"
00:38:30.97\00:38:33.04
but in the same
time, I'm asking,
00:38:33.07\00:38:34.41
where are this
because it could be a set up.
00:38:34.44\00:38:38.15
And you know and...
00:38:38.18\00:38:39.95
Let me just make
sure I'm understanding.
00:38:39.98\00:38:41.78
They wanted you to
come and protect this family
00:38:41.82\00:38:46.45
because of the goods
that were coming there.
00:38:46.49\00:38:48.52
What were they asking you to do?
00:38:48.56\00:38:49.89
They were asking
me to pay back...
00:38:49.92\00:38:51.86
Retaliation. Retaliation.
00:38:51.89\00:38:53.23
Oh, okay.
00:38:53.26\00:38:54.60
Because the very family
that was the very family
00:38:54.63\00:38:57.10
and how do I know that.
00:38:57.13\00:38:58.47
Well, how do you
know those families?
00:38:58.50\00:38:59.83
You know, that's
question that your viewers
00:38:59.87\00:39:01.90
probably saying right now.
00:39:01.94\00:39:03.27
But what I'm saying,
whenever there's a, the cartel,
00:39:03.30\00:39:08.61
wherever there's a important,
00:39:08.64\00:39:10.61
they carry an
insignia with them.
00:39:10.65\00:39:14.28
This is very important.
00:39:14.32\00:39:15.65
A lot of people don't know this.
00:39:15.68\00:39:17.02
The insignia that
gives their authority
00:39:17.05\00:39:18.65
that this person
is the very higher.
00:39:18.69\00:39:21.42
They will usually carry a weapon
00:39:21.46\00:39:23.76
and that specific
weapon is a silver, pure silver
00:39:23.79\00:39:28.60
Pistol with marble handles.
00:39:28.63\00:39:32.13
Some of the crimes in
different other areas,
00:39:32.17\00:39:34.04
they usually use
it and marks that way,
00:39:34.07\00:39:35.94
that means that's the authority,
00:39:35.97\00:39:38.01
this person is special.
00:39:38.04\00:39:40.38
So when the job
was done, you know,
00:39:40.41\00:39:42.98
kind of fast forward
on, when job is done,
00:39:43.01\00:39:44.85
they have that pistol.
00:39:44.88\00:39:46.51
And that was the
pistol that I did take
00:39:46.55\00:39:49.62
and give it to
the people afterwards.
00:39:49.65\00:39:52.52
But anyway, let
me backtrack again.
00:39:52.55\00:39:54.72
So I asked him a question.
00:39:54.76\00:39:56.09
So I said, "What
if that was my family?
00:39:56.12\00:40:00.46
You know, won't you
want to do that yourself?
00:40:00.50\00:40:03.70
I mean if it was my family,
I would like to do that myself
00:40:03.73\00:40:06.53
because I don't
want nobody else,
00:40:06.57\00:40:07.90
I want to get even."
00:40:07.94\00:40:09.87
And he looked at me
and he said, "No, no.
00:40:09.90\00:40:14.41
I want you to do it
because you do it right."
00:40:14.44\00:40:17.15
You know, I didn't finish there.
00:40:17.18\00:40:19.08
I want to ask
him another question.
00:40:19.11\00:40:20.82
"Okay, that's fine, but
here, what if I go and get
00:40:20.85\00:40:25.92
the brothers, get
them and put it before you
00:40:25.95\00:40:29.96
so that way you can be satisfied
00:40:29.99\00:40:31.33
because that's what I will do.
00:40:31.36\00:40:32.69
And I just want to
know, where is that?"
00:40:32.73\00:40:35.16
And he also replied
once again is that, "No."
00:40:35.20\00:40:40.80
So right there in my head
00:40:40.84\00:40:42.44
because I did not
know the whole story.
00:40:42.47\00:40:44.67
This is a story that now I know
is that there's a setup here.
00:40:44.71\00:40:49.11
Right!
00:40:49.14\00:40:50.48
So I have to make provision.
00:40:50.51\00:40:52.21
I have to make
provision for an escape.
00:40:52.25\00:40:54.02
Whatever it maybe,
he needs to make sure
00:40:54.05\00:40:56.25
to cover my tracks
and everything else.
00:40:56.28\00:40:58.32
Every time I do a job,
there's always a cleaner,
00:40:58.35\00:41:02.86
there's a clean group.
00:41:02.89\00:41:04.96
They don't see
me, I don't see them.
00:41:04.99\00:41:06.93
They have a whole different crew
00:41:06.96\00:41:08.30
that goes and clean it up.
00:41:08.33\00:41:09.66
There's no evidence of foul.
00:41:09.70\00:41:11.87
This is occurred and I believe
is still happening today.
00:41:11.90\00:41:15.97
I'm out of it now.
00:41:16.00\00:41:18.27
But, I just go and
get rid of the mark
00:41:18.31\00:41:21.71
and the cleaners will go
and do the rest of the job.
00:41:21.74\00:41:24.95
So when I finish the job,
I don't want to, you know,
00:41:24.98\00:41:29.62
I don't want to
glorify the self,
00:41:29.65\00:41:30.99
but the thing is it was nothing.
00:41:31.02\00:41:34.72
It was, after we finish
the job and everything else,
00:41:34.76\00:41:38.06
I wanted to make sure, I
know because the questions
00:41:38.09\00:41:41.50
that I've been
asked before, and I know
00:41:41.53\00:41:43.43
the viewers that says, what,
how did you get out of this?
00:41:43.47\00:41:46.20
Yeah. That was
gonna be my next question.
00:41:46.23\00:41:48.10
How did you get out?
My reputation was very...
00:41:48.14\00:41:52.44
What I do was very,
very, very, very mean,
00:41:52.47\00:41:54.74
I don't think
you will ever like me
00:41:54.78\00:41:57.05
when if you meet
me about 25 years ago.
00:41:57.08\00:41:59.78
So how I went about in
order to get this job done,
00:41:59.81\00:42:03.08
it was not only
to get the job done,
00:42:03.12\00:42:05.72
but to make sure
this guy, first of all,
00:42:05.75\00:42:07.36
I already see that he's weak.
00:42:07.39\00:42:09.46
He's weak.
00:42:09.49\00:42:10.83
And I know that
he, if he sets me up,
00:42:10.86\00:42:14.23
I'm gonna have to
send a message to him.
00:42:14.26\00:42:16.93
And send a message in a way
that not only his whole family
00:42:16.97\00:42:19.73
would know, but the
organization would know.
00:42:19.77\00:42:24.11
And so it was a
very, very terrible thing.
00:42:24.14\00:42:26.68
Yeah.
00:42:26.71\00:42:28.04
Very terrible thing
that, how it happened?
00:42:28.08\00:42:29.81
How did Jesus change your life
00:42:29.84\00:42:32.81
because you were on this
trajectory of sin and death?
00:42:32.85\00:42:38.69
Yes. How did
Jesus, what did He do?
00:42:38.72\00:42:41.69
That was the most scariest
part and the most scariest part
00:42:41.72\00:42:44.69
because I was
coming to the point
00:42:44.73\00:42:47.20
where I look at
people that's just nothing.
00:42:47.23\00:42:52.57
You know, when you
don't have a conscience.
00:42:52.60\00:42:54.00
Right!
00:42:54.04\00:42:55.37
That's a very scary
thing even today with me.
00:42:55.40\00:42:57.57
When I look back to as, I thank,
00:42:57.61\00:42:59.34
I'm ever thankful to
God that He will come to me.
00:42:59.37\00:43:02.61
Remember, I said it before
that my Mother was praying.
00:43:02.64\00:43:05.91
And that was the charge
that my Dad gave it to her
00:43:05.95\00:43:08.58
and she stuck
by that faithfully.
00:43:08.62\00:43:11.49
And she was praying,
and praying, and praying.
00:43:11.52\00:43:14.02
How did I come about?
How did I snap out of that?
00:43:14.06\00:43:17.03
To make it, I know the time
is, it goes by so fast with us.
00:43:17.06\00:43:21.40
My Mother came up there to visit
00:43:21.43\00:43:23.23
some of my
relatives up in Washington.
00:43:23.26\00:43:25.00
And they were
holding prayer meeting.
00:43:25.03\00:43:27.20
They were praying
and she was fasting.
00:43:27.24\00:43:29.60
I remember one time when
we had a family gathering
00:43:29.64\00:43:33.51
in Northern California
and my mother told me,
00:43:33.54\00:43:36.75
she asked me and said, "Son,
00:43:36.78\00:43:38.65
why don't you
put away your sin?"
00:43:38.68\00:43:41.55
And I look at my dear Mother,
you know, and very seriously
00:43:41.58\00:43:45.45
I said, "Mom, I love my sin.
00:43:45.49\00:43:48.16
I love my sin. I
was good at my sin.
00:43:48.19\00:43:51.09
I was prospering in my sin."
00:43:51.13\00:43:53.40
And I said, "It seems like
you guys are not even happy
00:43:53.43\00:43:55.90
in your righteousness,
in what you guys are doing."
00:43:55.93\00:43:59.23
So I'm good in what
I do. And I'm happy.
00:43:59.27\00:44:02.24
I'm telling you today that
the devil can make you happy,
00:44:02.27\00:44:05.87
can make you happy in a sense.
00:44:05.91\00:44:07.24
Make you think you're happy.
00:44:07.28\00:44:08.61
Exactly, thank
you for correcting me.
00:44:08.64\00:44:10.18
It can actually make you,
00:44:10.21\00:44:11.55
you think like you're
enjoying, but you're not.
00:44:11.58\00:44:13.31
You're miserable inside. Right!
00:44:13.35\00:44:15.15
Because I can recall
that I was still looking,
00:44:15.18\00:44:17.22
there's that emptiness,
there's that hole inside.
00:44:17.25\00:44:20.19
When I'm alone,
only I can face that.
00:44:20.22\00:44:23.36
And I see that, it seems
like everything is right,
00:44:23.39\00:44:25.16
but it was not right.
00:44:25.19\00:44:26.53
Right!
00:44:26.56\00:44:27.90
But anyway, my
Mother was praying
00:44:27.93\00:44:29.26
and she prayed this prayer.
00:44:29.30\00:44:30.63
Finally, prayed
this prayer, she said,
00:44:30.67\00:44:32.60
"Father, do not
let him enjoy his sin,
00:44:32.63\00:44:37.21
make him to be
miserable in his sin."
00:44:37.24\00:44:41.71
I went on, went afterwards
when the Lord came to me
00:44:41.74\00:44:44.01
and I opened my heart to
Jesus, I know, I'm confessed,
00:44:44.05\00:44:46.41
but I want to retract it.
00:44:46.45\00:44:48.65
I asked my Mother after
I gave my heart to Jesus,
00:44:48.68\00:44:51.95
when I accepted
God's invitation,
00:44:51.99\00:44:53.96
I asked my Mother,
00:44:53.99\00:44:55.32
"When did you pray his prayer?"
00:44:55.36\00:44:57.83
And I retract the timeline.
00:44:57.86\00:45:00.06
It was exactly when
everything went wrong.
00:45:00.10\00:45:03.67
We usually take breaks
after we move all the weight.
00:45:03.70\00:45:07.00
You know, weight
means all the other drugs.
00:45:07.04\00:45:10.84
And this particular
time after we moved there,
00:45:10.87\00:45:13.11
we go on vacation.
00:45:13.14\00:45:15.11
But the rest of
the thug, you know,
00:45:15.14\00:45:16.61
the guys in the
corners on the streets,
00:45:16.64\00:45:18.61
they're still out
there, their faces is open
00:45:18.65\00:45:20.48
to the authority that's
why you see our jails filled.
00:45:20.52\00:45:23.28
But, the real bad guys
or shall I say bad girls,
00:45:23.32\00:45:26.59
there are also
women are enjoying life
00:45:26.62\00:45:30.89
just like normal,
like anybody else.
00:45:30.93\00:45:32.93
It was nothing.
00:45:32.96\00:45:34.30
They're enjoying much
more than your regular guy
00:45:34.33\00:45:36.56
that is maybe
making 10,000 a week,
00:45:36.60\00:45:39.27
whatever it maybe, and
that's what draws them in.
00:45:39.30\00:45:41.94
But, they are suffering.
00:45:41.97\00:45:44.47
But the regular, the
people that are bringing in
00:45:44.51\00:45:46.47
the weights and all the
drugs and everything else
00:45:46.51\00:45:48.68
and they are safe.
00:45:48.71\00:45:50.88
The other ones that
takes vacation and go,
00:45:50.91\00:45:53.25
enjoy like a normal
life with their families
00:45:53.28\00:45:54.92
and everything else.
00:45:54.95\00:45:56.45
And they're thinking that,
"Oh, this is the high life."
00:45:56.48\00:45:58.85
This is the highlife. Yeah.
00:45:58.89\00:46:00.22
But, it's not. But, it's not.
00:46:00.26\00:46:01.59
It's miserable inside.
00:46:01.62\00:46:02.96
You cannot, I
mean, you're sleeping
00:46:02.99\00:46:04.33
and you know that you
have, you're picking up enemies,
00:46:04.36\00:46:07.66
you don't know
when, so you're constantly
00:46:07.70\00:46:09.56
armed yourself.
00:46:09.60\00:46:10.93
Right! Constantly
look in the mirror.
00:46:10.97\00:46:13.47
You know, when
you get in the car,
00:46:13.50\00:46:14.84
you're always thinking
when you're in a place,
00:46:14.87\00:46:17.07
where is I'm gonna be?
00:46:17.11\00:46:18.44
What I'm gonna... Yes, yes.
00:46:18.47\00:46:20.01
And there's no peace.
00:46:20.04\00:46:21.38
Like enslaved
by your profession.
00:46:21.41\00:46:22.98
Yes, yes.
00:46:23.01\00:46:24.35
And who's after
me and all my family?
00:46:24.38\00:46:27.35
Yes. Yeah.
00:46:27.38\00:46:29.08
So... So how did Jesus find you?
00:46:29.12\00:46:31.05
So, what happened?
00:46:31.09\00:46:32.49
Well, you know, whenever we
finished moving the product,
00:46:32.52\00:46:37.39
we take breaks.
00:46:37.43\00:46:38.76
We take a vacation.
00:46:38.79\00:46:40.13
And so this particular
time, we finished everything.
00:46:40.16\00:46:45.83
And somehow I locked
the keys in the Corvette.
00:46:45.87\00:46:49.30
The Corvette, the keys
were locked in the Corvette.
00:46:49.34\00:46:51.91
And so they were out
there trying to please me,
00:46:51.94\00:46:55.94
trying to please, trying
to open the all out there,
00:46:55.98\00:46:58.75
trying to get in
there and I was left me
00:46:58.78\00:47:01.38
alone inside the house,
in my colleague's houses.
00:47:01.42\00:47:07.66
So I decided
because I carry a bio
00:47:07.69\00:47:10.39
about that have a pure
cocaine, I mean, not pure,
00:47:10.43\00:47:13.96
but it's the good one.
00:47:14.00\00:47:15.53
And I wanted to be safe
only for my own personal use.
00:47:15.56\00:47:18.33
I don't want just...
00:47:18.37\00:47:20.44
And whenever I'm on
relax and everything else,
00:47:20.47\00:47:23.51
I take a snort
aligned and keep me awake
00:47:23.54\00:47:26.68
and everything anyway.
00:47:26.71\00:47:28.08
I'm not saying this in edifying
to glorify cocaine by the way.
00:47:28.11\00:47:32.01
I'm saying
that's what I was doing
00:47:32.05\00:47:33.38
in this particular thing.
00:47:33.42\00:47:34.98
And anyway, all of a
sudden, when I did this in here,
00:47:35.02\00:47:41.39
I set that in a way to confirm
what I was going to say now.
00:47:41.42\00:47:46.13
All of a sudden, I hear
this voice inside this house,
00:47:46.16\00:47:50.43
this room, I was all by myself.
00:47:50.47\00:47:53.07
"Come home," two words,
very serious and very loud.
00:47:53.10\00:47:58.44
So I look around, I
didn't see anybody in there.
00:47:58.47\00:48:02.31
But, the first thing in my mind,
00:48:02.34\00:48:05.68
it says maybe
somebody mess with my supply.
00:48:05.71\00:48:11.39
You thought you were
hallucinating or something?
00:48:11.42\00:48:12.99
Yes.
00:48:13.02\00:48:14.36
Yes, I mean, all these
things or somebody's trying
00:48:14.39\00:48:15.86
to set me up, maybe
something is in the drug
00:48:15.89\00:48:17.63
that's messing
me up or whatever.
00:48:17.66\00:48:19.93
So, I was looking, I
wonder there was nothing.
00:48:19.96\00:48:23.06
All of a sudden,
my mind start change,
00:48:23.10\00:48:24.87
those going on in my head
00:48:24.90\00:48:26.84
that this is
something supernatural.
00:48:26.87\00:48:29.50
This is happening to me
because I was wide awake.
00:48:29.54\00:48:32.27
I knew I wasn't
drinking. I didn't drink.
00:48:32.31\00:48:34.48
I just took a line so I
was very much clear in my mind.
00:48:34.51\00:48:40.42
And after I was thinking about,
00:48:40.45\00:48:42.38
all my thoughts
started going back to my Dad.
00:48:42.42\00:48:45.62
This is what started
going back, you know,
00:48:45.65\00:48:47.92
the things the God that I
was, that my Dad was telling me
00:48:47.96\00:48:51.56
about this supernatural
stuff, going my mind,
00:48:51.59\00:48:53.29
started going back to
religion, and things like this.
00:48:53.33\00:48:57.67
All of a sudden, I
see for myself to you,
00:48:57.70\00:49:01.14
as I'm looking to you
right now, I'm not seeing you.
00:49:01.17\00:49:04.64
All I see was a black
shadow leaving my body.
00:49:04.67\00:49:09.21
And it's going away from me.
00:49:09.24\00:49:12.01
And I can't see,
00:49:12.05\00:49:13.48
but I'm just
seeing a dark shadow.
00:49:13.52\00:49:15.45
Well, that's all I see,
it's in like a tunnel vision.
00:49:15.48\00:49:18.39
And believe me, I
thought myself I was going nuts.
00:49:18.42\00:49:21.39
I'm in this thing, but it
seems like I'm just lost in it.
00:49:21.42\00:49:25.13
I just want a fast,
you know, fast forward.
00:49:25.16\00:49:28.73
This is the time I didn't
know that my Mother was praying,
00:49:28.76\00:49:32.60
was having
prayer, my mother's...
00:49:32.63\00:49:34.30
I went in and trace it back
00:49:34.34\00:49:37.14
that's when
everything started going wrong.
00:49:37.17\00:49:38.77
Things were locking,
the carstart choking,
00:49:38.81\00:49:42.08
you know, and yet mechanic,
when I call my mechanic,
00:49:42.11\00:49:44.31
he came and says,
"There's nothing wrong, guys.
00:49:44.35\00:49:45.91
Everything is fine."
00:49:45.95\00:49:47.42
So my mind was
already in the mode
00:49:47.45\00:49:49.52
that somebody's
trying to set me up.
00:49:49.55\00:49:51.09
That's my way of thinking
towards this whole experience
00:49:51.12\00:49:55.02
I'm going through
right now, but it was not.
00:49:55.06\00:49:56.83
It was God because
my Mom was praying.
00:49:56.86\00:49:59.16
It's time to follow you up
00:49:59.19\00:50:00.76
and trying to bring
you home, come home.
00:50:00.80\00:50:02.13
Yes.
00:50:02.16\00:50:03.87
That's what, now,
it make sense to me.
00:50:03.90\00:50:05.87
But back then my
mind was thinking,
00:50:05.90\00:50:07.77
"Okay, somebody's
trying to set me up.
00:50:07.80\00:50:09.87
I'm gonna have
to make provision."
00:50:09.90\00:50:11.44
That's what I was thinking.
00:50:11.47\00:50:13.11
But when I saw this
supernatural thing going out,
00:50:13.14\00:50:15.64
and I believe that dark shadow
was actually I was possessed
00:50:15.68\00:50:19.75
from all the
violence and everything else
00:50:19.78\00:50:21.48
and I thought it was me.
00:50:21.52\00:50:22.85
It was actually,
00:50:22.88\00:50:24.22
Satan can
actually give you skills.
00:50:24.25\00:50:26.65
Can give you some very, very,
00:50:26.69\00:50:29.69
and I thought I
was getting away,
00:50:29.72\00:50:31.29
but not only I believe
that the prayers of my Mother
00:50:31.33\00:50:33.40
was protecting me, you know,
from Satan trying to kill me.
00:50:33.43\00:50:37.10
Right.
00:50:37.13\00:50:38.47
But in the same time,
Satan was trying to impress me
00:50:38.50\00:50:40.34
with all these things
I can get away with it,
00:50:40.37\00:50:42.07
getting shot at,
or whatever it maybe
00:50:42.10\00:50:43.67
and yet you don't get killed
00:50:43.71\00:50:45.54
or whatever
incident trying to set me up,
00:50:45.57\00:50:47.54
and I get away.
00:50:47.58\00:50:48.91
Whenever the DEA or the police
will get into one of my places,
00:50:48.94\00:50:52.85
I'm not there, I'm gone.
00:50:52.88\00:50:54.45
I'm always like,
two step ahead of them.
00:50:54.48\00:50:56.38
So they never catch me.
00:50:56.42\00:50:58.12
So God has to catch me Himself.
00:50:58.15\00:51:01.22
I start boring... in
this incident, this night.
00:51:01.26\00:51:04.16
I start all of a sudden,
I kneel down on my knees.
00:51:04.19\00:51:07.50
Knelt down, I never do that.
00:51:07.53\00:51:09.96
But here am I, it's like
go through an experience.
00:51:10.00\00:51:13.27
And I'm not gonna say
an out-of-body experience.
00:51:13.30\00:51:15.34
I don't believe in all
that nonsense or whatever,
00:51:15.37\00:51:17.34
but excuse me, but I
know what I was going through,
00:51:17.37\00:51:21.14
but it seems like I'm not even
in control of what's going on.
00:51:21.18\00:51:24.01
Right.
00:51:24.05\00:51:25.38
But, all I know
that I'm agreeing
00:51:25.41\00:51:26.82
with this in my mind.
00:51:26.85\00:51:28.82
I'm agreeing with
this, this is real.
00:51:28.85\00:51:31.05
This is what my
Dad, it seems like
00:51:31.09\00:51:32.49
the Holy Spirit
was having this fight
00:51:32.52\00:51:34.12
against Satan was pulling,
which way I'm going to go.
00:51:34.16\00:51:38.29
So I knew that I
stop boring classes,
00:51:38.33\00:51:41.50
"You know what, I'm out of here.
00:51:41.53\00:51:43.06
I'm gone."
00:51:43.10\00:51:44.43
And they were thinking like
I was gonna go to a safe house.
00:51:44.47\00:51:47.37
I left everything.
00:51:47.40\00:51:49.10
I went back to my house
in Walla Walla, Washington.
00:51:49.14\00:51:54.38
And in there, when I got
there, I started still crying,
00:51:54.41\00:51:57.85
still my heart was crying,
and a flier came through.
00:51:57.88\00:52:03.49
It says that,
"Evangelistic meetings
00:52:03.52\00:52:05.59
that was held by an
evangelist from California."
00:52:05.62\00:52:09.02
His name was Dick Pollard.
00:52:09.06\00:52:10.83
And he was holding
evangelistic meetings
00:52:10.86\00:52:12.93
in Washington in the
Stateline Church there.
00:52:12.96\00:52:19.77
And so I went to
the, there I gave my life.
00:52:19.80\00:52:22.84
You know, gave my
life, my heart to Jesus.
00:52:22.87\00:52:26.51
And this is the part
where it doesn't make sense,
00:52:26.54\00:52:29.14
not even my Mother,
00:52:29.18\00:52:30.51
and not even my
brothers and sisters.
00:52:30.55\00:52:31.88
But, see God does not
want you to rely on your family
00:52:31.91\00:52:35.88
even if we're believers.
00:52:35.92\00:52:37.42
This is like,
whenever God calls you,
00:52:37.45\00:52:39.15
whatever the God touch
you, He wants you to have
00:52:39.19\00:52:41.69
just a personal experience
just between you and Him.
00:52:41.72\00:52:44.46
Right. He doesn't
want anyone to help.
00:52:44.49\00:52:47.90
That's my opinion.
00:52:47.93\00:52:50.70
You know, as far as,
because it might be different
00:52:50.73\00:52:52.70
the way God moves in everybody.
00:52:52.73\00:52:54.80
But, God wants me to
have a personal connection
00:52:54.84\00:52:57.11
with Him alone.
00:52:57.14\00:52:58.47
It has to be nobody else.
00:52:58.51\00:53:00.88
So after I got
baptized and everything else,
00:53:00.91\00:53:04.88
I was given my life, I
wanted to do right things.
00:53:04.91\00:53:06.92
I wanted to go to school.
00:53:06.95\00:53:08.28
I wanted, you know...
00:53:08.32\00:53:10.15
All of a sudden, the
Holy Spirit came to me
00:53:10.19\00:53:11.82
and says, "You need
to go, turn yourself in."
00:53:11.85\00:53:15.49
Wow! Wow!
00:53:15.52\00:53:17.26
Now I can look, I
can look back to it now.
00:53:17.29\00:53:21.30
It makes sense to me.
00:53:21.33\00:53:22.66
I mean, my heart was all in it.
00:53:22.70\00:53:25.20
But I believe that,
you know, I never forget
00:53:25.23\00:53:27.60
what Pastor
Lomacang just said to me.
00:53:27.64\00:53:30.54
There's something
that touches my heart
00:53:30.57\00:53:32.04
which I never thought about it.
00:53:32.07\00:53:34.21
In order for something
to have true repentance,
00:53:34.24\00:53:36.38
I forgot the way he said it.
00:53:36.41\00:53:38.05
The true repentance
is not only to confess,
00:53:38.08\00:53:41.98
to confess it.
00:53:42.02\00:53:43.35
But, I believe the
way I looked at it now
00:53:43.39\00:53:45.95
is that God test our hearts.
00:53:45.99\00:53:47.99
If it's really genuine,
00:53:48.02\00:53:49.36
can you imagine
if it was tested,
00:53:49.39\00:53:50.73
and I would say, a
voice say to me and says,
00:53:50.76\00:53:53.16
"Oh, go turn yourself."
00:53:53.19\00:53:54.93
As if, you know,
"No way, that's stupid."
00:53:54.96\00:53:58.27
But, I believe God trying
to test my heart at that time,
00:53:58.30\00:54:01.04
how real.
00:54:01.07\00:54:02.40
It's not so much
that He already knew
00:54:02.44\00:54:03.84
what I was going to
do, but He wants me to know
00:54:03.87\00:54:08.01
to see this
experience for myself.
00:54:08.04\00:54:09.71
Right.
00:54:09.74\00:54:11.08
To see my own heart,
the build my heart up
00:54:11.11\00:54:12.75
in such a way that it
would be real for Him later on
00:54:12.78\00:54:15.65
once I give my heart to God.
00:54:15.68\00:54:17.59
And I believe
that's an experience I got,
00:54:17.62\00:54:19.95
it puts every one
of us to the test.
00:54:19.99\00:54:22.32
So you turned yourself in. Yes.
00:54:22.36\00:54:24.59
I can't believe our
time was running out.
00:54:24.63\00:54:26.29
And there's so
much more. Okay, I know.
00:54:26.33\00:54:27.73
So much more, I know.
00:54:27.76\00:54:29.10
So you turned yourself in. Yes.
00:54:29.13\00:54:32.20
And what happened?
00:54:32.23\00:54:33.60
Is that the time? Yes.
00:54:33.64\00:54:35.20
I did 20 years.
00:54:35.24\00:54:36.60
They gave me a 20 year sentence.
00:54:36.64\00:54:38.01
The judge supposed
to be giving me 27 years
00:54:38.04\00:54:40.64
that was the...
00:54:40.68\00:54:42.01
that's the end of the crime
that was first-degree murder.
00:54:42.04\00:54:45.58
And it was two counts,
00:54:45.61\00:54:46.95
but they only
charged me one count.
00:54:46.98\00:54:48.35
The judge told me in
the sentencing day, he said,
00:54:48.38\00:54:51.05
"If I have had the
power to take up more time
00:54:51.09\00:54:54.79
and give you lesser time."
00:54:54.82\00:54:56.56
They were... because
they saw the remorse.
00:54:56.59\00:55:01.36
Only God can put that
00:55:01.40\00:55:02.73
in the heart of
an unbelieving judge.
00:55:02.76\00:55:04.27
I don't know if he
was believing or not.
00:55:04.30\00:55:05.80
But he said that,
they gave me 20 years,
00:55:05.83\00:55:09.07
only 20 years,
00:55:09.10\00:55:10.44
that's
impossible for two counts.
00:55:10.47\00:55:13.14
But, they charged
me only for one count.
00:55:13.17\00:55:15.34
I got off.
00:55:15.38\00:55:16.71
I went and served 17.5
years, and 2.5 years parole for,
00:55:16.75\00:55:22.32
I came off early
for good behavior.
00:55:22.35\00:55:24.19
You know, I
mean, "Good behavior".
00:55:24.22\00:55:25.55
That's amazing.
00:55:25.59\00:55:26.92
And while you were in
there, what happened with you?
00:55:26.96\00:55:30.13
While I was in there, I
came in connection with 3ABN.
00:55:30.16\00:55:33.83
Wow.
00:55:33.86\00:55:35.20
3ABN was probably
one of the main teachers
00:55:35.23\00:55:38.10
that God brought or resource
that God brought into my life
00:55:38.13\00:55:41.94
to teach me about the truth.
00:55:41.97\00:55:43.61
And I believe that
was one of the main reason
00:55:43.64\00:55:45.94
why God took, and say
for me to turn myself in
00:55:45.97\00:55:49.41
because I know
today, if I was free still
00:55:49.44\00:55:53.31
and be with my
family and friends,
00:55:53.35\00:55:55.98
I believe sooner or later,
00:55:56.02\00:55:57.35
I will be going
right back to the world.
00:55:57.39\00:55:58.79
Right.
00:55:58.82\00:56:00.16
But, God has to take me away
00:56:00.19\00:56:01.52
with just a time alone with Him.
00:56:01.56\00:56:03.43
And 3ABN was the one
that came into my life
00:56:03.46\00:56:06.43
such as teacher
such as Doug Batchelor
00:56:06.46\00:56:08.13
with his life story,
with a brother Kenneth Cox
00:56:08.16\00:56:11.20
was preaching, Albrecht.
00:56:11.23\00:56:12.80
Yes.
00:56:12.83\00:56:14.17
And many others would tie
00:56:14.20\00:56:16.64
and many other
people that taught,
00:56:16.67\00:56:18.07
but above all the
writings of Ellen G. White
00:56:18.11\00:56:20.94
that was shared with me
with the Saints that was there,
00:56:20.98\00:56:25.95
that came in volunteer.
00:56:25.98\00:56:27.55
Those are the ones that
gave me this kind of mind
00:56:27.58\00:56:29.88
that I have
today, a balanced mind.
00:56:29.92\00:56:32.19
Now, I can never say
I'm, but it was the writings
00:56:32.22\00:56:35.32
and the Word of
God of Ellen G. White.
00:56:35.36\00:56:37.76
And 3ABN through showing
me all the good programmers
00:56:37.79\00:56:40.76
and everything else
that I watch to learn
00:56:40.80\00:56:43.06
from Brother Dwight Nelson.
00:56:43.10\00:56:45.33
I've learned that in
order for love to be loved
00:56:45.37\00:56:47.87
for concerning my wife today,
you must give the right to say,
00:56:47.90\00:56:51.01
yes because I didn't
give nobody the right to say,
00:56:51.04\00:56:52.77
yes, or say, no.
00:56:52.81\00:56:54.14
It's either my way or no way.
00:56:54.18\00:56:56.38
So I've learned many of
these lessons through 3ABN.
00:56:56.41\00:56:59.45
Praise the Lord. And
what are you doing now?
00:56:59.48\00:57:03.45
I'm doing, now I'm not gonna say
00:57:03.49\00:57:04.82
the name of the job
'cause I don't want them to,
00:57:04.85\00:57:07.92
you know, the work for,
00:57:07.96\00:57:09.29
but I work for a
logistic company,
00:57:09.32\00:57:11.86
very powerful major
companies logistics that
00:57:11.89\00:57:17.00
and just you
know, I know, it's not,
00:57:17.03\00:57:19.53
it's peanuts but I
only make 1,100 a week.
00:57:19.57\00:57:21.80
You know, so that's
fine enough with me.
00:57:21.84\00:57:23.61
1,100 a week? Yes.
00:57:23.64\00:57:25.27
But that's not...
00:57:25.31\00:57:26.64
For being a felony.
00:57:26.68\00:57:28.01
So... Yeah.
00:57:28.04\00:57:29.38
Yeah. Yeah. An x felon.
00:57:29.41\00:57:30.75
An ex-felon. Yes, correct.
00:57:30.78\00:57:32.88
We praise the
Lord for you, brother.
00:57:32.91\00:57:34.92
Praise the Lord. Thank you.
00:57:34.95\00:57:36.28
Thank you for
sharing your story with us.
00:57:36.32\00:57:38.49
And I think so many
people are gonna be so blessed
00:57:38.52\00:57:42.99
by your testimony.
00:57:43.02\00:57:44.49
I mean, this is something
that is just, it's so powerful.
00:57:44.53\00:57:48.60
Thank you so much.
00:57:48.63\00:57:49.96
Thank you, Jason,
for being with us.
00:57:50.00\00:57:51.33
Thank you.
00:57:51.37\00:57:53.00
I can't believe
how amazing God is
00:57:53.03\00:57:55.94
and just how He
changes the life.
00:57:55.97\00:57:58.54
Thank you so
much for joining us.
00:57:58.57\00:58:00.38
Join us next time
'cause you know what?
00:58:00.41\00:58:02.61
It just wouldn't be
the same without you.
00:58:02.64\00:58:05.35