Did you know that there were
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ancient African secrets unlocked
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even as the slave
trade was expanding
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from Europe to the Americas?
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Do you wanna hear
some of those secrets?
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Well, stay tune to
hear about that and more.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today
is Dr. Joel Freeman,
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co-author along with Don Griffin
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of "Return to Glory,
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the Powerful
Stirring of the Black Man."
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Dr. Freeman is a historian
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and committed to
sharing the truth
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about the black man's role
and contributions to our world.
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Welcome to Urban
Report, Dr. Joel.
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Yay!
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It's good to be here with you.
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I can't believe,
I finally, have you.
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If the viewers knew how hard
I've been trying to get to you,
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you are such a busy man.
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But we appreciate you
being here. Thank you.
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Even if it's by
Skype, we've got you.
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So may I call you Joe?
I'm looking forward to it.
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Thank you. May I call you Joe?
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Absolutely. Can
I call you Yvonne?
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Absolutely, for
sure. My pleasure.
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So okay, Joel,
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let's just get rid of
the elephant in the room.
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What's a white guy doing,
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really digging
into black history?
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What led you into that?
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Well, it's...
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A number of years
ago I got involved in...
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I was from Canada,
left home when I was 17.
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Long haired hippie, hitchhiked
by five or six thousand miles
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around North America.
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When I came to United
States, it was kind of, like,
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what's going on down here?
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I couldn't quite grasp
how it all fit together.
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And so what happened
is I became a pastor,
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I became chaplain for
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the Washington
Bullets/Wizards in the NBA.
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And some of the
players, what they would do is,
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they would ask
me questions about,
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you know, 'cause
they're in a position
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where they're kind of in a spot
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where people are
looking at them funny
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and their position
attracts sincere people
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and insincere agendas.
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And so they were
kind of testing me out.
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And so one of the
things that they looked at is,
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"what did Jesus look like?"
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They want to know about that.
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They want to know
about some other things
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about ancient African history
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and how people
of African descent
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fit into Biblical history,
and also external history.
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What happened with
me is that I just became
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a very intervention
or I didn't have a clue,
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I didn't know
what to say to them.
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And so what happened
was, I began to research.
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I began to study very
hard about these things
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because they
would ask questions,
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I don't know what
response to that and...
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but, you know, maybe
next time we get together
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I might have
some type of response.
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Then that's
really what happened.
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And later, we fast forward
to, when I met Don Griffin,
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who was the co-author
as you mentioned of book,
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the film, "Return to Glory."
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And what happened is that
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Don began to share
some things with me,
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I was doing some
leadership training
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for his company
up in New York City.
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And so it was a program called
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"Dealing with People
Who Drive You Crazy."
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I like that.
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And between sessions,
I've found out very quickly
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that he was a
follower of Jesus as I was.
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And then he began
to communicate with me
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some things from
Isaiah Chapter 18.
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Now I had done a
series on the Book of Isaiah
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and I never saw
what he communicated.
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Isaiah 18 talks,
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this is in the
Freeman translation.
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It talks about people from
beyond the rivers of Ethiopia,
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tall, smoother
skin, awesome to be feared
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from the beginning onwards.
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Of course, Jimmy
says, they are terrible
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from the beginning on the word.
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So that particular phrase
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is what's really,
really grabbed me,
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terrible from the beginning on.
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So I began to look
in original Hebrew.
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And I know
enough original Hebrew
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and Greek to be dangerous.
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And so what happened
is I began to take a look
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at what that phrase meant
because I figured the Bible
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is not given to
hyperbole or exaggeration,
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and so there must be some
extra Biblical information
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that corroborates
that they're terrible,
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to be feared from
the beginning onward.
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So that's
really what hunched me.
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It wasn't the
social or the justice issue
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that pulled me in,
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that was the
caboose of the train.
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The engine was
Biblical dynamics.
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And that's where it all began.
All that stuff came later.
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I love it.
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You know, one of the things that
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I'm impressed with is the abs...
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I'm not impressed by
it in a positive way,
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I'm concerned.
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I think that's a better word.
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Concerned about
the seeming absence
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of black presence in the Bible.
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Now there, it's not absent,
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it's just that
it's never been taught.
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I think, I need to specify that
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because it makes
it seem as though,
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we're not
there, now we are there
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but been taught that way.
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And so, it's very
interesting to hear,
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and unless you
really do your own digging
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and study for yourself
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and then you
realize certain things
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about various groups
of people in the Bible.
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If you don't do that,
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you think black people
weren't even in the Bible,
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that everybody was white.
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That is the way it's presented
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in our schools and institutions.
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And so that's why I
find it very fascinating
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that you as a white man
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have really dug into
this and you found out
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more than just what, you know,
the surface information is.
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So what did you find
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when you did some more
digging on this Isaiah 18?
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What did you find?
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Well, in the beginning
it talks about a rise of
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and then a fall
of epic proportion.
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And of course,
it's talking about
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an ethnically
specific group of people,
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a geographically
specific group of people.
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And this rise and fall,
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and then it talks later
on about a return to glory.
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And I don't know
what that looks like,
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or what that means, but
all I know is that there,
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that coupled with a verse
in Zephaniah and Psalm 68,
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some other
passages of scripture.
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It seems to indicate that
the Lord has not forgotten
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the people from African descent
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with all the terrible
things that have happened.
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And it's, by the way
its impossible to exaggerate
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when trying to describe
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the horrific
nature of the slave trade,
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slavery, Jim Crow laws,
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The Black Code Laws lynching
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and these other
thing that have happened.
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But it is just God is
one that has not forgotten
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and is very much involved
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I believe in
bringing and return to glory.
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So that, I began to then
study about people of nations
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in Genesis Chapter 10.
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There are 70 nations in all.
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And actually, Ham,
and Shem, and Japheth,
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you have more nations with
Ham than the other two combined.
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And what's fascinating is that,
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you can see the
way gene flow loose.
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And then, of course, we
have the whole Lemba people.
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I don't know if you have done
any research about the Lemba,
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but there is this theory,
the Eve, the common Eve theory.
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Now we believe in
Eve as a theological,
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from the
theological perspective,
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but just from
biological perspective,
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mother of all living.
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How the gene flow has
moved through Eve, to Noah,
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to his wife,
Misses Noah, and the kids,
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and then you begin to move
throughout the entire earth.
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It's a whole another
fascinating discussion.
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Wow!
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So, okay, so what do you
say to people who say that,
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you know, Ham was cursed,
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and so then the whole black race
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was cursed?
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What do you say about that?
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Well, actually the
curse was not on Ham,
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it was on Canaan.
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And it's a, the situation where,
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you look now in the scriptures.
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Well, even you just
pick up the newspaper today
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and you have Ham,
Shem, and Japheth,
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and then you have the
sons, you know, of Ham,
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and you have the Phut, P-H-U-T,
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he ended up dwelling
in the area around Libya.
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And then you have Kanan
or Canaan, all the ites,
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the Amorites, the
Arvadites, and the Hittites,
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and all those ites,
sons of Kanan or Canaan.
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And you can see that
all, the Holy Land here,
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that whole region.
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And then have a Kush.
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And Kush was in the region
around Ethiopia and Somalia,
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that whole region there.
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And you pick the
paper and you can see
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that Libya is still around
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and you have also,
Ethiopia still around,
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and then Mizraim,
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which literally
means two Egypt's,
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Upper, and Lower Egypt.
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And Egypt is still existing,
but Canaan is not existing.
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And when one
looks at the scripture
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about sins of father going down
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to the third, fourth,
fifth generation, this curse,
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it seems to me, and
I don't know for sure
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but it seems to me
that somehow Canaan,
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somehow wiped out,
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that lineage was wiped out
because we don't see anymore.
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That's just my theory, my idea.
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I won't go to jail over it.
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But, yeah, that's,
that direction I leave.
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Yeah, you know, I
think it's important
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for people to understand that,
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that whole group of
people were not cursed.
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I mean, this is kind of an
idea that still exists today
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among certain
churches that, you know,
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that the whole
black race was cursed
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and, or that the mark of Cain,
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that Cain
received after killing Abel
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was that he was black.
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I mean, these are things
and it's so bizarre to me,
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but this is what
some people are taught.
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And I think it's so important
to dispel this, not just for,
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just for truth sake.
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I mean, just to really get to
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what the truth is about
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what has happened with the Bible
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and how people
have misused the Bible,
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because the Bible
itself is God's inerrant word.
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It's how it's been
used, that's been an issue.
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And I think even...
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Oh, go ahead. Oh, yeah.
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That's good, I'm sorry.
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I just want to say something
here that, that could be...
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I developed a
whole website about this
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which maybe I can
share with you later,
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but and you can
include in the program
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once you look at it.
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But it's a whole website
dealing with how this happened.
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And it all started
with Table of Nations
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in the 1500s.
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Because I've done
a whole study around
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how the King
James Version came about
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and the scholars
that were at Cambridge,
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Oxford, Westminster,
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and how they separated
different parts of scripture
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to translate it so
that we could have this
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particular King
James Version of the Bible.
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But around the same time,
there was a whole situation
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that they had
developed called the table of,
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called the, not
the Table of Nations,
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but it's the "Order of Being."
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I'm sorry.
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Where the king was at the top,
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and then you had these layers
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of individuals
animate, inanimate objects,
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they're all in this
great chain of being,
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then they added God and angels
about five layers of above.
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And then of course
when you get to white man,
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the black man from Africa
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is two layers
below the white man.
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And so what
happened is that the Linnaeus
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and others him
up with all of this.
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They said that the
place of the people
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and entities that
are in the chain beneath
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are there to serve
the ones that are above
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in order to keep calm and pious
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and in society
you could not break
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this great chain of being.
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Then you can take a look at
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when Charles Darwin came along
and the origin of the species.
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And you have this whole thing,
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this fall in the
middle of the culture,
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the whole idea of the black race
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being at least two points,
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two layers under the white male.
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And so what happened is that,
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of course, you have apes
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and animals trying to figure out
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how people came into existence.
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There is no creation, so
we got to figured this out
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from a natural perspective.
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And so, then the
whole idea of black people
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coming from apes,
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and then humans come from apes,
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you know, all
this, this little thing.
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It became a situation
that was very challenging
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for people who fight against.
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And so then you
have the economic engine
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of the slave trade developing.
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Because initially
people just came a naval,
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a navies came and
people, boats came
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the outer part of Africa.
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And then, of course,
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with folks like David
Livingston and others,
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they went into the
interior of Africa.
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And then the King of Belgium,
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terrible man,
Leopold took over the Congo
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and that whole region.
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And then that set it
up for Africa to be viewed
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as kind of a cake to
be cut up into the pies,
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where the French get this,
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German get this,
the English get this,
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Portuguese get that,
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and it becomes, then transcend
the geopolitical lines...
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I'm sorry, the
ancient African kingdom lines,
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the boundary lines, and you
put in these geopolitical lines.
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And you're putting these
artificial countries in place
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in Africa, all across
the continent of Africa.
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So all of this was set up.
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And then of course,
you have Sir Galton,
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who was a second
cousin to Charles Darwin.
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He came up with the
whole concept of "Eugenic,"
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some years later
and he wrote about it.
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And, of course, eugenics,
you have the word euphoria.
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It's good gene if you will.
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And so the whole idea of...
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There are bad genes,
there are good genes,
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and there are
certain facial features
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and certain things,
a certain structures
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that are deemed to be superior.
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And, of course, then
intellectual capacity
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is aligned with the place a
person is in the genetic code
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if you will.
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And then that set
up this whole thing
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for Hitler later,
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who was an avid
reader of Charles Darwin
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and Sir Francis Galton.
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And then eugenics,
the reality of eugenics
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came into being in Nazi Germany.
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It wasn't just a
theoretical idea anymore,
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now it was real, it was reality.
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And now the whole
concept of ethnic cleansing...
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Comes in to play. Yes, yeah.
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So racism really...
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People have tried to
say, the King James Version,
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you know, they
weren't black but comely.
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You know, you're
black but you're smart.
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You know that kind of thing.
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All the racist
ideas about the Bible,
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all were brought about saying
that the Bible was translated
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during this period of time
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when the Great Chain of
Being was bound to plates.
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And one of the
things in my dreams
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is to create a film about this
00:17:27.08\00:17:28.98
and to maybe
write a book about it.
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Because the Bible is,
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when you start looking
at the essence of the Bible,
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it is not racist, in
fact, it's egalitarian,
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it is opened up to
slaves and to women,
00:17:38.99\00:17:42.62
and all the different
morals and values and culture.
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We're definitely
dealt with Jesus Christ
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in a way that was unbelievable.
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Because you have
the ancients believe
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that you had the
air and the fire,
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you know, tending upwards,
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and the water and
Earth tending downwards,
00:18:01.68\00:18:06.41
and that's where Jesus came
at water level, at Earth level
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and he revealed
divinity to the Earth
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to show that there is a
different way to do things.
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There's a different way to be,
and there's a different destiny
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that is available.
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Wow! Wow!
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I want to come
back to the concept of
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what Jesus looked
like in just a second.
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But I think, again, you know,
you made a really good point
00:18:32.87\00:18:39.11
that the Bible
itself, it transcends race.
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I mean, the Bible says,
"There's no Jew, nor Greek,
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male, nor female."
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I mean, so it's,
00:18:46.72\00:18:49.16
the Bible teaches
an equality of men.
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But man has taken the
Bible and has taken...
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it's just like that,
that whole order of being
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and the whole
concept of eugenics.
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Man has taken all of that
and twisted it so much that,
00:19:01.64\00:19:06.54
you know, all groups of
people have felt oppressed
00:19:06.57\00:19:10.45
by those whole
concepts of superiority
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and all of that.
00:19:16.32\00:19:17.65
And it's ingrained in
the psyche of men and women.
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And it's to me right now
00:19:23.66\00:19:26.66
with all that's
going on in society,
00:19:26.70\00:19:28.80
we have these
culture wars happening.
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And at the root I think,
00:19:33.13\00:19:35.67
is a spiritual issue, of course,
00:19:35.70\00:19:39.67
but also this
whole concept of value.
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What is valued?
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Who is valued?
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And I think, we
really as Christians
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have to step back and
look at what's going on,
00:19:53.09\00:19:58.13
not let it dominate our psyche,
00:19:58.16\00:20:00.80
but certainly be
aware of what's going on.
00:20:00.83\00:20:04.33
That it is
another trap of the enemy
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to divide us, to keep us down.
00:20:07.64\00:20:10.27
It's all the trap.
00:20:10.31\00:20:12.14
And if we just
stay focused on Jesus
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and really do some digging,
00:20:16.95\00:20:18.81
like what you've done
and what you're sharing.
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I think it can clear up
a lot of misconceptions.
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Like for example,
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when you look at television now,
00:20:26.92\00:20:29.49
when you look at Africa.
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If anything's
on TV about Africa,
00:20:33.03\00:20:35.76
most of what you
say, it's the jungle.
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It's like there are
no cities over there.
00:20:37.83\00:20:39.83
There are no
wealthy people over there.
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There are no people who
are achieving over there.
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It's all the jungle.
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And it's like, it
just kind of blows me away
00:20:45.37\00:20:49.71
that we're still kind of
stuck in that place of looking.
00:20:49.74\00:20:55.68
And certainly there are areas
in Africa that are just jungle.
00:20:55.72\00:20:59.72
But I think, you
know, we have no idea
00:20:59.75\00:21:02.52
of what Africa has
contributed to society at large.
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Would you share a
little bit of that?
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What has Africa
given to society?
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Because according
to TV, it's nothing.
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It's basically nothing.
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It just blows me away
that people think that,
00:21:19.87\00:21:23.55
you know, King Tut for
example, he was African,
00:21:23.58\00:21:27.08
but nobody talks about that.
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You know, they just
think, "Oh, he was King Tut."
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What do you
think about that, Joe?
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Well, I want to go
back just for a moment
00:21:33.79\00:21:35.62
to what you said about
equality and everything.
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I see, I believe that in
the scripture it says that,
00:21:38.46\00:21:41.20
when we get to heaven,
every tongue, every kindred,
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every nation is
going to be there.
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So there is going to be
00:21:46.07\00:21:47.57
some type of distinctiveness
I think, even in heaven.
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Yes. Which I think is wonderful.
00:21:51.04\00:21:52.91
Yes.
00:21:52.94\00:21:54.28
And I think, also like
the writer of Acts, Luke said,
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talked about one blood.
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Then also we see great
pains throughout the scripture
00:22:02.18\00:22:05.52
to say that, it's a
Syrophoenician woman.
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You know, that
she's not just a woman,
00:22:08.59\00:22:10.33
she's a Syrophoenician.
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All right.
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A woman from Samaria.
00:22:13.33\00:22:14.73
It's a man from,
you know, wherever.
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It is the whole idea
00:22:18.07\00:22:19.63
I think of the scriptures
showing the difference
00:22:19.67\00:22:24.11
and how important it is for
us to have those distinctive.
00:22:24.14\00:22:27.68
You know, I think it
comes from a good place
00:22:27.71\00:22:29.98
in someone's heart when they say
00:22:30.01\00:22:31.35
they are colorblind,
but I'm not colorblind.
00:22:31.38\00:22:33.68
I really, I'm thank for
the variety that is there.
00:22:33.72\00:22:37.89
And I think that the Lord
works in and through that.
00:22:37.92\00:22:40.92
And I'm not even
concerned even with churches be,
00:22:40.96\00:22:44.16
you know, a black
church or white church.
00:22:44.19\00:22:46.36
And we say that
the greatest divide
00:22:46.39\00:22:47.73
is on Sunday, or
Saturday, or someone worships.
00:22:47.76\00:22:51.93
That's the greatest
divide on the planet.
00:22:51.97\00:22:54.50
But, you know, what?
00:22:54.54\00:22:55.87
I think that there's
different distinct of music,
00:22:55.90\00:22:58.47
of taste, of types of preaching,
00:22:58.51\00:23:01.51
and understanding.
00:23:01.54\00:23:03.51
And so I'm not even
against that merely.
00:23:03.55\00:23:06.58
I think it's
good we get together.
00:23:06.61\00:23:08.72
But I think it's also it's
good to understand this natives.
00:23:08.75\00:23:12.42
It's just my idea about it
00:23:12.45\00:23:14.02
and through great
respect to seek to understand
00:23:14.06\00:23:16.99
before seeking to be understood,
00:23:17.03\00:23:18.76
it doesn't preclude
that, need to be understood.
00:23:18.83\00:23:21.00
This means there's a
chronological sequence
00:23:21.03\00:23:23.10
involved.
00:23:23.13\00:23:24.47
Now to get to your
question about Africa
00:23:24.50\00:23:27.57
and what it's brought.
00:23:27.60\00:23:29.57
I just think, you know,
00:23:29.60\00:23:31.14
there are things that
I'm hoping to develop.
00:23:31.17\00:23:33.21
I have a pretty huge
black history collection,
00:23:33.24\00:23:35.71
over 3,000 pieces.
00:23:35.74\00:23:37.08
I missed that.
00:23:37.11\00:23:38.45
I'm sorry, with
the Skype, I missed.
00:23:38.51\00:23:39.85
You have a pretty big...?
00:23:39.88\00:23:41.72
Black history collection.
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It's over 3,000 pieces.
00:23:43.45\00:23:45.55
The oldest piece
staged about 1553.
00:23:45.59\00:23:48.62
And one of the
things that my goal is to do
00:23:48.66\00:23:52.29
is to help develop
galleries around the country
00:23:52.33\00:23:54.96
and even internationally.
00:23:55.03\00:23:56.46
Now one of the first things
00:23:56.50\00:23:57.83
I want to put
in these galleries,
00:23:57.87\00:23:59.20
is the Rosetta Stone.
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I'm only one in the
world that has developed
00:24:01.34\00:24:03.71
the full size,
00:24:03.74\00:24:05.07
three dimensional replica
of the famous Rosetta Stone
00:24:05.11\00:24:07.34
that was used to
crack code to hieroglyphics,
00:24:07.38\00:24:09.94
which then unlocked the
secrets of Ancient Egypt.
00:24:09.98\00:24:12.45
Without the Rosetta
Stone, you would not...
00:24:12.48\00:24:14.42
We'd see all the hieroglyphics
00:24:14.45\00:24:16.95
on obelisks and
temples and papyrus
00:24:16.99\00:24:20.69
and we would not understand
anything about the morals,
00:24:20.72\00:24:24.23
the values and, you know,
00:24:24.26\00:24:26.39
the different aspects of
culture of ancient Egypt.
00:24:26.43\00:24:29.56
But the thing about it is,
00:24:29.60\00:24:31.40
"why would I put
the Rosetta Stone
00:24:31.43\00:24:33.40
is the first
thing in a gallery."
00:24:33.44\00:24:35.37
The reason why is because
00:24:35.40\00:24:36.84
I don't want to
support the notion,
00:24:36.87\00:24:38.67
"black history
started with slavery
00:24:38.74\00:24:40.44
and the slave trade."
00:24:40.48\00:24:41.84
I want to have
something that isn't,
00:24:41.91\00:24:44.11
almost a literal
touched to ancient Egypt
00:24:44.15\00:24:48.35
which happens in Africa.
00:24:48.38\00:24:50.35
And then from
there we can then segue,
00:24:50.39\00:24:53.09
we can talk about all the
other ancient African Kingdoms,
00:24:53.12\00:24:56.56
Songhay Kingdom,
the Ghanian Kingdom,
00:24:56.59\00:24:59.83
the Malawian Kingdom,
00:24:59.86\00:25:02.00
and then the different
people groups at the house,
00:25:02.06\00:25:04.73
the Igbo, the Luo,
00:25:04.77\00:25:06.84
and different other people
00:25:06.87\00:25:09.17
throughout the
continent of Africa.
00:25:09.20\00:25:12.14
And all the
bonds were developed,
00:25:12.17\00:25:14.81
especially in West Africa.
00:25:14.84\00:25:18.08
The different
things that we have learned
00:25:18.11\00:25:20.52
about communication with drums,
00:25:20.55\00:25:23.39
and all these
different other aspects
00:25:23.42\00:25:26.22
of technology that have
been developed in ancient times.
00:25:26.25\00:25:31.76
And in fact there is a
place in Zimbabwe called,
00:25:31.79\00:25:34.63
a city called Great Zimbabwe.
00:25:34.66\00:25:36.93
That is made of
stone without mortar.
00:25:36.97\00:25:40.30
Now I will dare
anyone to go out,
00:25:40.34\00:25:43.57
just get a bunch of stones,
00:25:43.61\00:25:45.87
build a fence, and
then live for 40 years.
00:25:45.91\00:25:49.21
And you'll find that
the movement of the Earth
00:25:49.24\00:25:52.35
will cause that stone
fence to fall and crumble
00:25:52.38\00:25:55.25
over a period of time.
00:25:55.32\00:25:56.82
And yet somehow,
someway, the ancient Africans
00:25:56.85\00:25:59.85
had something in their
understanding a building,
00:25:59.89\00:26:03.93
to create this
city Great Zimbabwe
00:26:03.96\00:26:06.49
without mortar
that still stands today,
00:26:06.53\00:26:09.20
just made of a large stone.
00:26:09.23\00:26:12.20
Wow! That is amazing.
00:26:12.27\00:26:16.27
And there's something
else additional to that
00:26:16.30\00:26:19.91
is the pyramids were built
00:26:19.94\00:26:24.38
1.5 ton per block.
00:26:24.41\00:26:28.45
They were all
put together in a way
00:26:28.52\00:26:31.12
that you could not fit a
piece of paper through them.
00:26:31.15\00:26:35.06
Just the
mathematical tolerances,
00:26:35.09\00:26:37.59
it's like one, one millions
00:26:37.63\00:26:39.46
or one, one
thousandth of an inch.
00:26:39.49\00:26:41.66
And to think
that they put them...
00:26:41.70\00:26:43.90
How did they put them in place?
00:26:43.93\00:26:46.03
Once scholar sat
down with a mathematician
00:26:46.07\00:26:49.70
and figured out
the number of blocks.
00:26:49.74\00:26:51.17
If it was 20 years
with 100,000 workers
00:26:51.21\00:26:54.31
working X
number of hours a week,
00:26:54.34\00:26:56.95
they figured, it took one block
00:26:56.98\00:26:58.71
would have to be set
in place in 20 years.
00:26:58.75\00:27:01.95
Each block would be set
in place every 96.5 seconds.
00:27:01.98\00:27:08.06
And I don't know how
that would happen in 20 years
00:27:08.09\00:27:10.23
because the volume of blocks.
00:27:10.26\00:27:11.73
And the volume of a block
is enough to build a fence,
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10 feet tall
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around the entire
country of France.
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That gives an idea
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of what has come out of
the continent of Africa.
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Wow!
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Thank you so much
for sharing all this.
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This is some
powerful, powerful information
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that most people don't know.
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And I'm just so
happy and thankful
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that we had you on today.
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Do you have a five
second closing thought
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for our viewers?
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I just go back to the...
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St. Augustine said, he
said, "Seek to understand
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before seeking
to be understood."
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And I think if
every one of us tried that
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for 30 seconds, 30 days,
it would change the world.
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It is so much.
00:27:54.64\00:27:55.97
Now, Joe, I try to get you here.
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I got you here this time.
00:27:58.77\00:28:00.61
I've got to get you
next time too for an hour.
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Thank you for being
here. Let's work on that.
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We will. And thank you.
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Join us next time
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'cause it's just wouldn't
be the same without you.
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