Is there a hidden agenda
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when it comes to
sexuality in our society?
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Stay tuned to find out.
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My name is Jason Bradley.
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And you are
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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Today, my guest is Raymond King,
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CEO of Securing Hope Ministries,
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speaker and author.
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His latest book
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what every
Adventist should know about,
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GLBTQ, The Call
For Radical Ministry
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is the focus of today's program.
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Welcome to
Urban Report, Raymond.
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Thank you for
having me. Oh, man.
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We have a lot to cover
in a short amount of time.
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Yes, sir.
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Now tell us a
little bit about you.
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Were you always
Adventist growing up?
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No, I'm first
generation know Adventist,
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been Adventist
going on 39 plus years.
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And actually married my wife
who was born into the church.
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But I have been
involved in the church
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and have not looked back.
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Okay, okay.
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And how did you
come to the Lord?
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How did you become Adventist?
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Actually, my
parents made us go to church
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when we were
younger but as I grew older,
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I realized I wasn't
getting anything out of it.
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And so when the
directions of going to church
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was no longer
mandatory, I didn't go
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because the way I feel was,
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I wasn't getting
anything out of it.
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And the Lord knew, so
who was I going to impress.
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However, I was invited
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to my wife's
church in Greensboro.
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And what really
impressed me was the fact that
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I saw so many men involved.
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And for whatever reason
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and I can't even
to the date tell you
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why that is what got
me at least interested
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in the church per se.
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But really what
made the difference was
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me been introduced to
the Spirit of Prophecy.
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And when I
started to read, I guess,
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the scale fell from
my eyes and I saw things
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as they really are,
and it made a difference.
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And once the Lord convicted
me, I yielded to that conviction
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and the rest is history.
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Nice, nice.
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And so tell us a little
bit about your ministry?
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How did that come about?
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My wife and I had
the privilege of meeting
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with some young people
in our home every Friday
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for about two and half years.
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It was teenagers
and young adults.
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And we discussed
a lot of information
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and it really was the joy
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because we were
able to discuss things
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in a manner that
generated dialogue.
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Make a long story short,
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because our subject
matter was so varied,
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toward the end of that
the Holy Spirit impressed me
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to challenge them
of getting involved
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with a activity themselves.
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And so we suggested that
we do a abstinence program
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or abstinence workshop
for the youth underneath them.
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And they embraced it,
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and everybody had the
chance of selecting a subject.
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And because of my
medical background,
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I chose to do my
presentation on STDs.
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And so I did my
research and when I found out
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how big a issue that
was, it just changed my life.
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And that led me to
write in a book entitled
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"Sex, Satan, and the
Church: Exposing the Lie",
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and that book essentially
is what's my ministry now
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over 17 years ago.
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Wow, wow.
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And now, I mean, when
you turn on television,
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well, besides
Christian television,
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you see that
sex sells, you know,
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you see sex
advertised everywhere basically.
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No matter what product it is,
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there's usually
some gorgeous woman
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that's scantily clothed
or some super muscular guy
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or something like that,
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that would be
appealing to the ladies
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selling the products.
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I typically agree was
sex did not solely corrupt.
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Sex is a...
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It's feed it to the flesh.
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And if you look at our culture,
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whatever feeds the
flesh or please the flesh,
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that's where you
see the money, alcohol,
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drugs, all that kind of
things that feed the flesh.
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And so what we are
actually seeing is corruption
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or a culture that is
constantly feeding the flesh,
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and people who have
not overcome the flesh
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of course are now
being drawn into that.
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And we also see a culture
that has strayed so far away
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from biblical truth.
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More than you know.
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More than you
know. It's shocking.
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Now, you wrote this book
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and I'm going
to hold it up here,
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"What Every Adventist
Should Know About GLBTQ:
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The Call for Radical Ministry."
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Tell us about this book?
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It's a book that was
very difficult to write
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because it had me focus
on how far we have strayed.
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And the sad reality is,
the enemy has done a good job
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in introducing what I
call the counterfeit sexuality.
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GLBTQ, gay, lesbian,
transgender, bisexual, Q,
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questioning, and they're adding
to those letters all the time.
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Now why did you choose the GLBTQ
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as opposed to the LGBTQ?
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Because when
this movement started,
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G was always upfront.
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As a matter of fact,
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there's a
organization called GLSEN,
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Gay Lesbian Educational Network.
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They are a network
that's in most high school
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throughout America
and what they are doing,
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they're bringing together
what they call straight gay,
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gay now, not lesbian
but gay students to embrace
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and to celebrate diversity
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and acceptance of
this counterfeit sexuality.
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Another organization called GLAD
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and this
organization that is supportive
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of this counterfeit sexuality.
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It's really interesting,
those that are supportive
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of this counterfeit
are constantly changing.
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What people don't
realize, years and years ago
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when the so called HIV was
first recognized in America,
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it was called GRID,
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Gay-Related
Immunodeficiency Disease
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because it started in
the homosexual community.
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But again, to be deceptive
and keep the attention off
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of where it should have
been, they changed the name
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from GRID to HIV.
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So the reason I have
GLBTQ is because that's what
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is originally focused
or that was the letter
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that was first used to
identify this community.
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And instead of changing
like everybody else is changing,
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I want to remain true to
what the original acronym was.
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Okay.
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Now you talked
about the counterfeit,
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what's the genuine?
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The Bible says, Christ
says that in the beginning,
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God made man,
and male and female.
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Male and female, two
gender, binary gender structure.
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Throughout the Bible, you
see it over and over again.
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Man can leave his mother
and father, male and female,
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and cleave into his wife, female
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and they two
shall become one flesh.
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And then He said, "Be
fruitful and multiply,
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bring forth
offspring after your kind,
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male and female.
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The counterfeit is introducing
a whole different structure.
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As a matter of fact, our
students across the country
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in different
school systems are told,
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there is no such
thing as male and female.
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They are told that there are
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as many as 63 different genders.
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And when I say
that, people eyes pop out
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but it's so sad because
the enemy is trying to destroy
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the binary structure
that God had intended.
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And so I submit
that any structure,
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or any combination, any activity
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that is unlike what
God has already ordained
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is the counterfeit.
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And we know that Satan
is the great counterfeiter.
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Everything that God has created,
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he's created a counterfeit.
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And what's
happening in our culture
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is we're not only
embracing the counterfeit,
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we are forcing
it on our children.
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We are forcing it
on people to accept it.
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In some jurisdictions,
if you don't accept it,
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you actually
would be criminalized.
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And as we get
closer to Christ's return,
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I submit to you that it's
gonna become more and more
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a issue of
following the law of man
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or following
the dictates of God.
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As a matter of fact, in Canada,
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you can't preach
a sermon regarding,
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what I call biblical sexuality,
identifying the right,
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identifying the norm because
they call it hate speech.
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And you can actually be
convicted of being a criminal
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in Canada and other jurisdiction
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even in United
States because of again,
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us embracing what I
call the counterfeit.
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Which is a very scary thing.
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And, you know what,
I find it interesting
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that if we were to go somewhere
and we were called the N word,
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I don't think people
would get arrested for that.
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No, especially if...
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It's one of us.
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You know, in
the black community,
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they say it's a
term of endearment,
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no derogatory term
is a term of endearment.
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But in these last
days, the Bible says,
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"They will call good
evil, and evil good."
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And so the reason that
this thing is so serious
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is because as you
said, there's certain terms
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we can use that we
would not be considered
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to be criminals but...
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Just recently I read article
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where this young child
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identified or
addressed this other child
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based upon that
child's birth agenda.
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However, that
child is not identifying
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as his birth agenda
so instead of the child
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who's doing the right
thing calling that child a male,
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they wanted him to
call child a female.
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Because the child
called that child as he should,
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that child was sent to
the principal and chastised
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because of speaking the truth.
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And that's the
culture that our children
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are being brought up in.
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As a matter of fact,
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I'm from
Greensboro, North Carolina.
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And in Charlotte, that's
where this transgender situation
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really blew up.
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In the school
system, there, the teachers
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and the administrators are
told not to call the children
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male or female anymore,
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to call them
students or scholars.
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Because they say
that they do not want
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to arbitrarily
call a male or a female,
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a male or female but
call that male or female
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might identify as
being the opposite gender.
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And that's
becomes very confusing.
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And we know that in the Bible,
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it says that God is not
the author of confusion.
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And kids are already
confused enough as it is,
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trying to figure out,
you know, who they are,
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trying to figure
out their feelings,
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et cetera, et cetera.
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And I find it interesting
that these public schools
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can push this on our kids
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but they can't
teach about Christianity.
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Well, again, I tell
people that the Bible says,
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"We wrestle not
against flesh and blood,
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this is a demonic agenda
again to destroy the family,"
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going back to that agenda.
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The devil knows that if
he can create a generation
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that not only does not accept
the binary gender structure
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but rebelled against it,
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then he is
actually creating a society
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that it's not accepting him.
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It's really
interesting, I tell people
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that before sin
entered into the world,
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there were three institutions
that God really ordained,
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and I call His perfect will.
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It was the family,
it was the marriage,
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it was the Sabbath.
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Satan is actually
trying to attack all three.
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He knows
however in order for him
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to really affect
the Sabbath worship,
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he first must affect the family.
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And in order to
affect the family,
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he must change marriage.
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So he's already successful
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in the United States of America.
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The Supreme Court
actually putting into law,
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it's okay for two men or
two women to get married.
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So now marriage has
been attacked and conquered.
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Now he's slowly
moving into the family
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where you can have two
daddies or two mothers.
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And what is so scary is
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we're living in
the culture right now
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where they're
teaching our children,
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those who may come
from a traditional family
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that their family is
not the only kind of family.
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And they're doing it so artfully
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that our kids are
confused because again
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when you hear
something over and over again
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frequently
enough, you embrace it.
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And when it comes
to the church now,
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providing a counter
balance or the information
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that will help them
not to embrace this law,
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you hear a very little about it.
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And so Satan is
really successful in doing
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what he's trying to do
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and that's to
destroy the family.
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That whole thing in and
of itself is scary because,
00:14:46.72\00:14:50.35
you know, the Bible is
what we're supposed to go by,
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that's supposed to
be our moral compass,
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that's supposed to be our guide.
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The Lord gave us
those instructions
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and principles for our benefit.
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And, you know, if we just
go with what society does.
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Society's ideas
of right and wrong
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is constantly changing.
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You know, what's wrong
today might be right tomorrow,
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what's right today
might be wrong tomorrow.
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And so that's a
very slippery slope.
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It's interesting,
you expected in society
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but you don't
expect in the church.
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Yes.
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What's happening, the
church, there're churches,
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there're
denominations who are embracing,
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I'll give you example.
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Many people know that
President Barrack Obama
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was one that
championed the acceptance of era
00:15:38.87\00:15:43.81
when it comes to
the family in sexuality.
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And they made
the statement that,
00:15:46.57\00:15:47.98
"Well, he did it
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because he is the
president of everybody,
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he's supposed to
represent everybody."
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You know, I tell
people to dig a little deeper
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because the church
he came from is UCC,
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United Church of Christ.
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And if you do your research,
you will find out that,
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that entire
denomination, not just a church,
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not just his congregation
00:16:08.03\00:16:09.60
but entire
denomination embraces the law
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about God being the author
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and the creator
of homosexuality.
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And so the reason
President Obama did what he did
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for that agenda
and for that movement
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was because that's all
he's ever heard in 20 years.
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Twenty years, he
has been in the church,
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that's what he's been taught.
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And many people's
religious ideology
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is unfortunately
based upon what they hear
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the pastor preaching as
opposed to what they've read.
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And so my whole point is
we have a whole denomination
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and there are
other denominations
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that have embraced this lie.
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You now have people in darkness,
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they see where this
Christian says okay,
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and this
Christian says it's not,
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who are you going to believe?
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And so even the Bible
has lost its legitimacy,
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and lot of
people are in darkness
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because there are
people who profess Christianity
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that they've embraced
again this demonic agenda.
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Yeah, and you see
people taking bits and pieces
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and trying to use the
Bible to fit their lifestyle
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as opposed to patterning
or shaping their lifestyle
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after the Bible.
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Exactly, exactly.
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How can parents
and church leaders
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prevent the realization
of the goals of those
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behind this agenda
when it comes to their child
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and children in
any given congregation?
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Well, first of
all, we must understand
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that we're living in a day again
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where they're calling
good evil, and evil good,
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I tell people that
I believe sexuality
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is the most successful weapon
against the body of Christ
00:17:43.66\00:17:49.03
which means that we can
no longer remain ignorant
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about sexuality.
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I call it biblical sexuality.
God created sexuality.
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He said it's good,
it's a blessing for mankind
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but because we
don't talk about it,
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because we don't know about it,
00:18:06.58\00:18:08.25
and because we've
embraced the counterfeit,
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we are ashamed to talk about it.
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We put it in a closet.
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And therefore, our
children are being growing up,
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being educated by the world.
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I know when I came
up, my parents didn't say
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anything to me about sexuality.
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I learned it from
the boys in the hood.
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The Bible says that
blind were leading the blind.
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We all fell in the ditch.
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But what if the churches started
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to bring
sexuality to the forefront,
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I tell people, "Sexuality,
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it is much a spiritual awareness
00:18:38.55\00:18:42.65
as tithe and
offering, as the Sabbath itself
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because the first
commandment God gave to humanity
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was sexual, be
fruitful, and multiply."
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And so, it's tied
into a lot of knowing God,
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it's tied into a lot of what
God's intent for humanity is.
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And what we've done, the
biggest mistake we've done
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is we remain silent about
it, but yet we send our kids
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to the public school
to be educated about it.
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And I ask parents,
"Would you send your child
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to be educated about
baptism to the public school?
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Would you send your
child to the public school
00:19:16.62\00:19:18.42
to be educated about salvation?"
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They said, "No, I
wouldn't do that."
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I said, "Why are you
sending your child to the school
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to be educated about sexuality?"
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It's a spiritual education.
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And so we as Christian parents
and we as Christian leaders
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should not allow our
kids to be taught anything
00:19:32.70\00:19:36.57
about sexuality
in the public schools
00:19:36.60\00:19:39.31
because the public
schools have been hijacked
00:19:39.34\00:19:41.61
and it's a demonic agenda
00:19:41.64\00:19:44.48
to change the
morality in America
00:19:44.51\00:19:46.95
by changing the
moral compass on our kids
00:19:47.02\00:19:49.78
through the
sexual education process.
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There's a lot
that I don't have time
00:19:51.85\00:19:53.56
to talk about right
now but the bottom line is,
00:19:53.59\00:19:57.26
there are
organization who are funded
00:19:57.33\00:19:59.69
by United States'
government to introduce error
00:19:59.73\00:20:03.73
to the sexual
education curriculums
00:20:03.77\00:20:07.50
that will change their
attitude about virginity,
00:20:07.54\00:20:11.37
change their
attitude about gender,
00:20:11.41\00:20:13.48
change their attitude
about sexuality altogether.
00:20:13.54\00:20:16.71
And they know
that if they can get
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our younger
generation to embrace error,
00:20:19.25\00:20:22.75
that then when
they become parents,
00:20:22.78\00:20:24.29
they're now creating a
demonic generational curse
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of people that are
going to be in darkness.
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For example, most millennials
when asked the question
00:20:30.63\00:20:34.60
about homosexuality and
same gender relationship,
00:20:34.63\00:20:37.97
they said nothing wrong with it.
00:20:38.00\00:20:39.87
The reason being,
because the indoctrination
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that is in the public
school has been successful.
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People have no idea...
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I have one video
where it's shown,
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the school system invited
this organization to come in
00:20:52.18\00:20:55.62
and teach to their children,
these are elementary kids,
00:20:55.65\00:20:58.15
and a man tells them, you
know, a gender is not about
00:20:58.19\00:21:01.46
how you look, gender
is about what's up here.
00:21:01.49\00:21:04.13
He says, "Sometimes, you
may feel like being a boy,
00:21:04.16\00:21:08.10
sometimes you may
feel like being a girl,
00:21:08.13\00:21:10.07
sometimes you may
feel like being both,
00:21:10.13\00:21:11.83
or sometimes you may
feel like being neither.
00:21:11.87\00:21:13.54
He's teaching those kids there.
00:21:13.60\00:21:15.64
And so my point is,
you say, what can be done,
00:21:15.67\00:21:18.61
or what might be done?
00:21:18.64\00:21:19.97
We must bring the
sexuality back to the forefront.
00:21:20.04\00:21:22.68
We must preach and teach it
as if our life depended on it,
00:21:22.71\00:21:26.21
and we must
eliminate our kids being taught
00:21:26.25\00:21:29.15
by those that are in error
00:21:29.18\00:21:31.95
because if we don't
stop doing what we're doing,
00:21:31.99\00:21:34.79
our kids are going to be lost.
00:21:34.82\00:21:36.16
And some of them will
never turn their way back
00:21:36.19\00:21:37.53
to what it's all supposed to be.
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Man, man.
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And I think it's
important to point out too
00:21:40.80\00:21:43.63
that God loves us,
00:21:43.70\00:21:48.10
He loves the sinner
but He hates the sin.
00:21:48.14\00:21:51.37
So, you know, a lot
of times people think
00:21:51.41\00:21:53.74
that when the church
speaks out against homosexuality
00:21:53.81\00:21:57.08
or the practice
of homosexuality,
00:21:57.11\00:21:59.71
not the homosexual
00:21:59.75\00:22:01.18
but the practice
of homosexuality.
00:22:01.22\00:22:04.42
Same with heterosexuality,
you know, promiscuity,
00:22:04.45\00:22:07.79
we're not supposed to have
sex before marriage, you know.
00:22:07.82\00:22:10.43
Everything, it is supposed to be
00:22:10.46\00:22:11.93
within the confines of
what's outlined in the Bible.
00:22:11.96\00:22:16.06
So there's
heterosexual sin as well.
00:22:16.10\00:22:18.97
So you know, I just like
to put that out there like,
00:22:19.00\00:22:22.44
God loves each
and everyone of us
00:22:22.47\00:22:25.21
and that He doesn't like...
00:22:25.24\00:22:28.24
It's like if your
child was a thief,
00:22:28.28\00:22:31.45
you would still love your child
but you would hate the fact
00:22:31.48\00:22:34.88
that your child was a thief.
00:22:34.92\00:22:36.52
You'd hate the act of stealing.
00:22:36.55\00:22:39.25
You know, we love the
people, it's just the act,
00:22:39.29\00:22:43.93
we can't condone
sin. We don't embrace sin.
00:22:43.99\00:22:46.80
Let's go little further.
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I tell people of
the causing effect.
00:22:48.43\00:22:50.97
Most people with
same gender attraction,
00:22:51.00\00:22:53.57
that's not the problem.
00:22:53.60\00:22:55.30
It's a symptom of the problem.
00:22:55.34\00:22:57.47
According to the
statistics, most people
00:22:57.54\00:23:00.11
who have same gender attraction,
00:23:00.18\00:23:02.88
or individuals who are broken,
00:23:02.91\00:23:04.68
individual who
molested as a child,
00:23:04.71\00:23:07.05
and that molestation
had never been resolved.
00:23:07.12\00:23:09.22
I tell people, "When someone
had the same gender attraction,
00:23:09.25\00:23:12.72
don't even worry about that.
00:23:12.75\00:23:14.59
Try to figure
out what caused it,
00:23:14.62\00:23:16.56
because if you
deal with the cause,
00:23:16.59\00:23:18.59
you eliminate the symptom.
00:23:18.63\00:23:20.96
Yes, the activity...
00:23:21.00\00:23:23.03
That's like medicine too.
00:23:23.06\00:23:24.40
Exactly, the activity
or the activity of sodomy
00:23:24.43\00:23:28.94
or what have you,
yes, that is a sin
00:23:28.97\00:23:31.71
but what we
really need to focus on,
00:23:31.74\00:23:33.98
why did the
person think like that?
00:23:34.04\00:23:35.84
What caused
them to be like that?
00:23:35.88\00:23:37.91
You know, the tender lie
that people are born like that.
00:23:37.95\00:23:40.92
If people were born
like that, not one person
00:23:40.95\00:23:43.39
who ever profess to
have same gender attraction
00:23:43.45\00:23:47.32
could ever come out of that.
00:23:47.36\00:23:48.69
I've talked to too many people
00:23:48.72\00:23:50.33
who have said that,
00:23:50.39\00:23:51.73
"I once was blind but now I see.
00:23:51.76\00:23:54.03
I was once bound
but now I'm free."
00:23:54.10\00:23:56.33
I've talked to too many people
00:23:56.36\00:23:57.83
who spent years
in that lifestyle,
00:23:57.87\00:24:01.07
but they said, once I
realize what the cause was,
00:24:01.10\00:24:04.87
and God helped me
to eliminate that root,
00:24:04.91\00:24:07.84
the whole
activities and the whole desire
00:24:07.88\00:24:10.68
started to melt away.
00:24:10.75\00:24:12.15
And so I submit
that, one of the things
00:24:12.18\00:24:14.75
I'm putting the book is,
"A Call for Radical Ministry",
00:24:14.78\00:24:17.82
we must be the point of
reference for deliverance,
00:24:17.85\00:24:22.56
the point of reference
for freedom for people.
00:24:22.59\00:24:24.99
And the problem with the church
is because we are so deficit
00:24:25.03\00:24:29.43
in our understanding,
00:24:29.46\00:24:31.13
not only do we at
times enable that activity,
00:24:31.17\00:24:36.44
but in other areas
we actually drive people
00:24:36.47\00:24:39.37
away unnecessarily
because instead of being
00:24:39.41\00:24:42.08
in the healing balm
that God has made us to be,
00:24:42.11\00:24:44.61
we actually become a deterrent.
00:24:44.65\00:24:46.55
And that's all
because of ignorance.
00:24:46.58\00:24:47.95
So, yes, God does hate the sin,
but more importantly, God said,
00:24:47.98\00:24:53.52
"I not only forgive
your sin but more importantly
00:24:53.56\00:24:55.72
I'm going to cleanse you
from all unrighteousness."
00:24:55.76\00:24:58.56
And so God wants us
to dig deep to find out
00:24:58.59\00:25:01.13
what the cause is
00:25:01.16\00:25:02.76
and once we start
dealing with the cause,
00:25:02.80\00:25:04.73
we eliminate again the problem.
00:25:04.77\00:25:06.30
Amen.
00:25:06.33\00:25:07.67
So would you say
00:25:07.70\00:25:09.74
that this issue is
not being taken seriously?
00:25:09.77\00:25:13.98
It's not because
people don't understand
00:25:14.01\00:25:16.01
what the real agenda is.
00:25:16.04\00:25:18.25
The real agenda is not
really whether not someone
00:25:18.28\00:25:20.62
had the same gender attraction
or whether someone feel like
00:25:20.65\00:25:23.62
they are male and
they're really a female,
00:25:23.69\00:25:25.05
that's not the real agenda.
00:25:25.09\00:25:26.42
Real agenda is
the demonic movement
00:25:26.45\00:25:28.89
to destroy the family.
00:25:28.92\00:25:30.46
Satan again knows if he can
disrupt God's plan in anyway,
00:25:30.53\00:25:35.63
and see, people don't understand
00:25:35.66\00:25:37.03
God is so wise, He's so perfect
00:25:37.07\00:25:40.04
that there is no lean
to the left or to the right
00:25:40.10\00:25:43.37
if we want to
expect the optimum result.
00:25:43.41\00:25:45.41
God said, "My plan,
it cannot be improved on,
00:25:45.44\00:25:48.54
it don't need any
adjustment, any modification."
00:25:48.58\00:25:50.95
Satan knows if he
modify just a little bit,
00:25:50.98\00:25:53.52
the whole plan
starts to go around.
00:25:53.58\00:25:56.95
What's
interesting, the Bible said,
00:25:56.99\00:25:59.45
there's nothing
new under the sun.
00:25:59.49\00:26:01.12
And so we've not seen
anything that have not been
00:26:01.16\00:26:05.49
but we're now being privy to see
00:26:05.53\00:26:09.53
what generation upon
generation of iniquity
00:26:09.56\00:26:13.37
that's embraced will
start to wind up being.
00:26:13.44\00:26:16.44
And so my whole
point of reference is this.
00:26:16.47\00:26:19.61
The real agenda is how
can we as the body of Christ
00:26:19.64\00:26:25.71
profess the truth
enough that will keep families
00:26:25.75\00:26:29.72
from being
victim of this agenda.
00:26:29.75\00:26:32.19
I'm giving one of
really scary thing.
00:26:32.22\00:26:34.79
Every same gender relationship
00:26:34.82\00:26:39.49
will end that family tree.
00:26:39.53\00:26:42.10
When you look at
chronicle, you see God was
00:26:42.13\00:26:43.93
so specific about
he begot he, he begot.
00:26:43.97\00:26:46.47
God is a God that
values the family tree,
00:26:46.50\00:26:49.97
defend the family lineage.
00:26:50.01\00:26:52.34
Every same gender relationship
ends that family lineage.
00:26:52.37\00:26:58.65
And as he's
destroying generational,
00:26:58.68\00:27:02.32
he's destroying
that family lineage,
00:27:02.35\00:27:03.72
he's destroying
that family tree,
00:27:03.75\00:27:05.22
that's destruction.
00:27:05.25\00:27:06.59
And not only that,
when you start thinking
00:27:06.62\00:27:09.09
about the
actual non-fruitfulness
00:27:09.12\00:27:14.46
of same gender relationships.
00:27:14.46\00:27:16.77
In the book, I talk
about how the elite who believe
00:27:16.80\00:27:22.00
they are in
charge of making sure
00:27:22.04\00:27:25.04
the population of earth stays
within a reasonable number,
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there's point
of a homosexuality,
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they call and said,
homosexuality is actually
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a blessing to humanity.
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They said that
homosexuality is the lifestyle
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that actually keeps
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the human
population from increasing.
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Wow. So
population control. Yes, sir.
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I can't believe
we've run out of time.
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We're definitely going
to have to do a part two.
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Thank you so
much for joining us.
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Thanks for having me. All right.
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Well, we've reached
the end of another program.
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Join us next time.
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And remember, it
just wouldn't be the same
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without you.
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