Stay tuned to get a sneak peek
into what Dr. Kim's been up to.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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As you know, our
host from Making It Work,
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who are Dr. Kim Logan Nowlin
and her husband Arthur Nowlin.
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Arthur is now resting in Jesus,
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but Dr Kim is
still working hard.
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She's the host of Dare
to Dream's newest program,
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Live to be Well.
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I had a chance to
visit with her in Detroit,
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where the program is produced.
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Take a look.
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What a blessing it is
for me to be sitting here
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on the set of Live to be Well.
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It's kind of bittersweet,
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because the
last time I was here,
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Jason and I and our crew
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were taping Dr.
Kim and Arthur Nowlin,
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and since then our
dear Arthur has passed away.
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But Dr. Kim is
continuing and she is hosting
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a new program on the
Dare to Dream network
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called Live to be Well.
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And I'm super
excited and I'm super excited
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to have you
sitting in that chair.
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Yes. Yes, we are.
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Hi, Erin. Hello.
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Dr Kim. Yes.
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You and Erin have
been on quite a journey.
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Yes.
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And I want to
talk to both of you
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about how Arthur's
death has impacted you.
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I want to start with Erin.
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Erin, I haven't ever had a
conversation with you really.
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And I'm
interested in finding out
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how have you been doing
since your dad's passing.
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Well, I've been
coping in different ways.
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I have my friends,
really helps a lot, you know,
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just going out with them,
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and have them
support me in different ways
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like to take my mind
off of things but I've been,
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I've been good to
be honest with you.
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It's something like
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what I noticed the
fact when people say,
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"I think about
a person every day
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that is passed away,"
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that actually is very true like,
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you go in the room
and you don't see them
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or like you
want to do something,
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and they're not there,
they can't take you anywhere.
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You get the
feeling like, "oh, okay,
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I see what you mean by that."
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It's something that kind
of hits you in waves, right?
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So you might be
doing okay for a minute
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and then something will
remind you of that person
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or something happens
and then you're like,
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"Oh, wow, you
know, my dad's not here."
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But we just praise God
for the resurrection, right?
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Amen.
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Because we know this is
just a temporary situation.
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That's right. That's right.
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What grade are you in?
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I'm going to be a senior.
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Oh! Yes.
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In a while. Wow.
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And you have, you know,
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you are very much
like your mom and dad.
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Now your mom is like
Renaissance woman, I mean,
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she got so much going on
which makes your head spin.
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But you have another
kind of career on the side.
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Tell us about some of
the things that you do.
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I act and do modeling,
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some in film, some in theaters,
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so that's a lot of
things that I do in music.
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I want to Major in filming,
in theater, and minor in music,
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studio engineer producing
and different things like that.
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We'll see which college.
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So you love the
arts? Yes. Performing arts.
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And you've been
doing some acting and...
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Yes.
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Do you do Christian
plays and that kind of thing?
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I do it all.
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Christian plays,
Christian commercials,
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and when I was away
at school last semester,
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I did a lot of Christian plays
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because it was a
Seventh-day Adventist school.
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Good, good.
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One of the things that
you might want to keep in mind
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because I used to be in
the arts for many years,
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and one of the things
you want to keep in mind
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is it's very seductive, it
will tend to pull you away,
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if you don't hold on to Jesus.
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So it's very tempting
but you have to hold on
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because you can
just find yourself
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just doing little
compromises here and there,
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and before you know it,
you're all the way over here,
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when, you know,
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you should've stayed on
that straight end and now so.
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So just the word from
somebody who's been there,
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just be careful, be careful.
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Don't let the
enemy pull you out.
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Because I think you're
very gifted like your mom.
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Dr. Kim? Yes, ma'am
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What have you been doing?
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This and just trying to
find that balance and adjustment
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since I was last with you,
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we did the
memorial program for Arthur,
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making sure I take
good care of the girls
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and maintaining that
our older daughter Micah
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and who lives in
Huntsville, Alabama.
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Who is also in, you
know, television broadcast
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and radio.
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So it's like, they're all
following that first career
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that I've had and now
back to with Dare to Dream.
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I've done a lot
of fashion, you know,
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I've my own fashion line out.
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And yes, my own this
is one of my designs,
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so I have been doing a
lot of online businesses,
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the counseling
clinic we have maintained,
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the counseling clinics.
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That's very important.
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That you and your
husband, yeah, together...
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Yes, yes.
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You know, I started
it before I met Arthur.
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He joined me and
26 years together
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we were in practice right
here, you know, in this office.
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So when I come here every
day, I go right past his office.
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And if there, I've
not really changed,
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I've added I
put up more plaques,
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more things to remember,
when people come they know
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and I want people to
know and people miss him,
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his clients, people
who call, who didn't know,
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who want to meet with him again.
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So there's still
people who didn't know?
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Oh, they still don't know.
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And they call and
they want to meet with him.
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And Karen has
said, our administrator,
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"I'm so sorry to tell
you that he's passed away."
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So a lot of our couples,
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we haven't seen
in two or three years
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who want to come back
for a checkup therapy,
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I call it checkup therapy.
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Yes.
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They're like, "What?"
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They didn't know.
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So I'm still mailing
out programs and information
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and letting them know and...
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Because he touched so many lives
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and he's still
touching our lives.
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I love having Erin home
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because I'm not
in the home alone
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and but she's on our way out...
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Did you say something?
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No.
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I do.
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You know, she is getting
reacquainted with her chores
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and responsibility
because that's very important.
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You do chores. Yes.
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What are your chores, Erin?
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The whole upstairs
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whatever she finds
and searches for to clean.
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Who does that remind you of?
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Oh, my God, she
reminds of her daddy's so much.
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It's amazing. Yes.
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So you have all of upstairs?
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Basically, all of upstairs.
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Sometimes, the...
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Vacuuming the family room
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or most of time
vacuuming the family room,
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in the kitchen,
sweep the kitchen,
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and do the dishes.
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How many dishes? How many...
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Because we use paperware. Yeah.
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Okay, you know,
it's just that much.
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We just use paper plates,
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we still use
Tupperware and forks
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and messes over cups
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and just
different things like that.
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It's just whatever
she finds for me to clean.
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Why do you think
chores are important?
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I mean, it just
helps you organize
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but sometimes you have
to do chores every day.
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As a teenager, I'm
supposed to do the chores,
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I mean, you don't need
to do chores every day.
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Like if you make your bed,
okay, yes, you make your bed.
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Clean the bathroom,
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you don't need to
clean the bathroom every day.
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Like you don't have to do that
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or you don't have to
vacuum the hallway every day.
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It's just her thing... I
like to give everybody...
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What do you think Dr. Kim?
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I feel like this
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that if you use it,
you need to clean it.
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Every day.
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You know, the
bowls need to be clean.
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You need...
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Excuse me, you made me laugh.
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And we had an
incident last night
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and I said, "Did you vacuum?"
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But when I came
back, I saw certain things
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still where I'd left them.
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I've purposely.
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Who purposely leave
things on the floor?
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She's making sure
you do your chore.
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Right. Like
that's just extra work.
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I left little...
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I said, "I want to
see." Who wants to do that?
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So I said, "Did you
vacuum?" So I was furious.
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So she came
upstairs and I said, "Erin,
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did you move the rugs
out of the hall area?"
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And I moved the
rugs, and I said,
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"You didn't vacuum."
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"But Mom, I did move the rugs."
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And I said,
"Can we start again?"
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Because I want her to be
proficient, when she goes...
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She's been to boarding school
but she had a single room.
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She lived alone.
And I kept it clean.
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And she kept the
clean room, checks.
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But as she went from
home being in her own room,
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boarding school was
not going to be like that.
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Now she's going
to another school,
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Oakwood Academy,
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she'll be
living with her sister,
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she got the whole of upstairs.
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So she still,
like, living alone.
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Yes. And I keep it clean.
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And I kept it
clean at boarding school.
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I could perfect...
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But I never get
issue with your room check.
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Exactly.
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And she always said, when
I was telling she was like,
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"If you ever go
to boarding school,
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I don't know how you're
going to keep your room clean."
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I mean, the first week
when I got there and I got a...
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They would say typically
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if I keep my room clean, I said,
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"You always said I
wouldn't keep my room clean,
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this is what."
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And then like
this is what happened.
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And then like I
never got, you know,
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how they have a boarding,
I mean, a room check score.
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I never got below
eight like... Out of ten?
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Out of ten. Okay.
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And I probably
got it eight because
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I didn't take the
trash out that day.
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But, you know, like or
I probably got an eight
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because I didn't
put skip on the day
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I could skip room check.
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I mean, my room was
still clean but, you know,
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just little things.
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Well, now let me
just tell you just...
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Okay, please.
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Like in defense
of your mom. Yes.
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She's helping you. That's right.
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One of the things
that I've seen with adults
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who are at the
top of their field
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is that they had
parents that had them do chores.
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Their parents
that had them do things
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with the standard of excellence.
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So that they
didn't, now it's a pain,
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when you're a
teenager, it's a big pain.
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It is a pain. It is. It is.
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But you'll be so
happy when you grow up
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if the Lord
hasn't come back by then
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because you'll be
good at whatever you do.
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That's right.
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At whatever you
do, those same skills,
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that same skill set
generalizes to life.
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That's right.
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And you're going to
be good at what you do.
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My mother was hard on me.
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Dad was a little bit laid
back. She's like, oh whatever.
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I mean, my father
was really laid back.
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And I see what he
would do when he, like,
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whenever my mom was
like, she's like, "Arthur,
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you didn't clean
this or do this."
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You know, if you
just look at her sometimes
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and then I was like,
I would understand it.
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But now I really
see her like, "Wow."
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Like I see what my
dad, I think, I would,
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I can tell what
my dad was thinking
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when she would
say things like that.
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"Arthur, you didn't do this
or how come this is still here."
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And he will just
look at her, I was like,
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and I didn't
understand I'm like...
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I understand now. Okay.
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My opinion is
if you use a spoon,
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you're standing right there,
you're laying it in the sink,
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why not wash it?
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You used Tupperware yesterday,
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it's in the sink,
you didn't wash it.
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I did wash it.
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No, you didn't.
It was on the side.
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What this is,
this is so interesting
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because this is
Mother-Daughter teenage stuff.
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This is what most
mothers with teens go through.
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So this is nothing
unusual. I'll tell you right up.
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But look how her mouth is...
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But your mom is
really helping you
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to be a really
strong woman of God.
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Because you
don't see... Excellent.
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You don't see the
standards I run in my office.
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The standards of
how hands are praise,
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the standards of
being at office in a shirt,
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those are the same standards
my mother and father would use
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when I would clean,
organize, make obey it.
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Now I'm not gonna say something
about bad this morning,
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you know, because it
wasn't all the way down
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to the edge of where...
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Like those type of things.
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I like it to the
edge. It's not even.
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Okay. Even.
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You know...
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So are you a
little obsessive? Yes.
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Yes. I am a compulsive cleaner.
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A litte OCD?
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I am. A little.
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Oh, it's a lot. Okay.
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Yesterday, she
wanted the trash can
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like the trash can knot,
it was, it was on a side,
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she want it in the back.
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She had me go through every room
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to fix the trash can.
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Because, you know,
you don't want the trash
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can knot looking
forward when you tie the bag on,
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I have those clear bags.
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They just think it's trash
you have thrown in something...
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No, but I can see the bag knot,
I want it back to the wall.
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I don't want it...
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Because it just complicates
the decorum of my bathroom.
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When I look down and
see that trash bag...
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See those are type of
things my father will look at...
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You know, when it's
funny because when your dad
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and your mom work
co-hosting making it well,
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that was kind
of, making it worse,
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I'm combining these two.
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I'm combining the
new one and the old one,
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making it work.
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When they were
co-hosting that program,
00:14:02.50\00:14:05.07
they would have a little banter
00:14:05.11\00:14:06.98
kind of similar to
what's going on here.
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And it was, it was
just really, really fun.
00:14:09.38\00:14:12.61
But let's talk a bit, Dr.
Kim, about Live to be Well.
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And what is that
program going to do?
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How is it
different besides the obvious
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the absence of Arthur,
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but how is it
different from Making It Work?
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Well, Making It Work
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really focused on relationships,
00:14:28.20\00:14:30.73
the dynamics of family, engaging
00:14:30.77\00:14:34.34
and, how Arthur and
I would work together
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to make sure that the couples
looked at different tools
00:14:38.21\00:14:42.18
and how they were going
to be able to transition
00:14:42.21\00:14:45.15
and maintain their marriage
or those who are engaged
00:14:45.18\00:14:48.35
where we really
focused in on couples
00:14:48.38\00:14:50.85
and their relationship.
00:14:50.89\00:14:52.22
Live to be Well
will encompass everything
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from
relationships to professions,
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working with teens, purities,
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solvency, cooking, finances.
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We want people
to live to be well
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to overall look at
their lives and say,
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"How can I raise the standards?
00:15:10.34\00:15:12.31
How can I look
at my value system?
00:15:12.34\00:15:14.68
How can I look at
how I associate myself
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with the dynamics of my society?
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And then how and what
role do I play in that?"
00:15:21.15\00:15:24.09
So we want Live to
be Well to be real,
00:15:24.12\00:15:26.92
which everyone like,
"Wow, she has teenagers,
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she has her own daughter
on the program, she has..."
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We had a seven year
old that's something
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Making It Work did not feature.
00:15:36.73\00:15:38.67
So we want to
encompass everyone,
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so everyone can
identify with the program.
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So you're really
looking holistically at life.
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And saying these
are the areas of life
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that if we can really
work through these areas,
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we can be well.
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It's kind of a
holistic view. Oh, yes.
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So you talk about finance
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and what are some of the
topics that you talk about.
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We're talking about finances,
inner city finances, you know,
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how our
communities are being bombarded
00:16:06.26\00:16:09.13
with different
avenues of check cashing
00:16:09.16\00:16:12.77
on every street,
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they're from
Ryan Mack talked about
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living from paycheck to Tuesday.
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So pay check is on
Friday, you broke on Tuesday.
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I love that that just
really penetrated my soul.
00:16:23.21\00:16:27.12
And you had Ryan Mack
who is the host of Dollars
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and Sense on Dare to
Dream, you know, that's awesome.
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And he's a Detroiter. Yes.
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And you're a Detroiter. Yes.
00:16:35.39\00:16:36.73
So that would sound great.
So it's kind of a blessing.
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Looking at how we need
to look at pastoral care
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in our communities.
00:16:42.96\00:16:44.30
We're looking at
how God restored life,
00:16:44.33\00:16:49.24
we're looking at
relationships with in teenagers
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and young adults
being Seventh Day Adventist
00:16:53.64\00:16:56.78
and being
committed, not losing sight,
00:16:56.81\00:17:00.98
not going to the
left to the right,
00:17:01.02\00:17:02.58
but staying focused
and how to maintain.
00:17:02.62\00:17:05.35
We're looking at how we can help
00:17:05.39\00:17:07.22
our young people today
stay on track with God.
00:17:07.26\00:17:10.66
So we're looking at a
lot of different avenues,
00:17:10.69\00:17:12.56
we're looking at healthy eating
with Dr. Patricia Ferguson on
00:17:12.59\00:17:17.13
my former OB/GYN, talking
about different health issues
00:17:17.17\00:17:21.67
and it's all people
we need to be healthy
00:17:21.70\00:17:24.04
in what we need to do
00:17:24.07\00:17:25.41
and we tend to
wait till it's too late,
00:17:25.44\00:17:27.81
and we need to go now.
00:17:27.84\00:17:30.05
Not too long ago, I was ill
00:17:30.08\00:17:32.38
and I just kept
putting it off, putting it off
00:17:32.41\00:17:34.98
and that program
really hit home with me.
00:17:35.02\00:17:38.09
We must take care of our bodies.
00:17:38.12\00:17:40.06
So we're just talking
about some of everything.
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Oh, it's going to
be a wonderful program.
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It's exciting to see
00:17:46.53\00:17:48.43
how God is
continuing to use you.
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Yes.
00:17:50.77\00:17:52.10
What made you decide to go on
00:17:52.13\00:17:54.47
on your own
without Arthur co-hosting?
00:17:54.50\00:17:57.04
Well, at first I didn't want to.
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I really didn't.
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We've been by each other
side for so long with that,
00:18:02.38\00:18:05.05
you know, we were
glued to each other.
00:18:05.08\00:18:08.25
And to go on without
him just didn't feel right.
00:18:08.28\00:18:11.72
And then I prayed to the Lord
00:18:11.75\00:18:14.06
and my marketing
director of my company
00:18:14.09\00:18:17.99
said to me, "You know,
you need to be doing something
00:18:18.03\00:18:20.13
on social network."
00:18:20.16\00:18:22.10
And I was like, "No,
I'm done with all of that."
00:18:22.13\00:18:24.40
"No, we need to do something
to look at overall living."
00:18:24.43\00:18:29.87
And he and I were talking
and we came with the idea
00:18:29.90\00:18:32.21
of Live to be Well,
didn't want to do that either,
00:18:32.24\00:18:35.41
"Just leave me
alone, let me just..."
00:18:35.44\00:18:38.38
You know, I was
going to close the office.
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I really didn't want to do that.
00:18:40.82\00:18:42.15
I didn't want to do anything.
00:18:42.18\00:18:43.59
You know, that's
so much depression.
00:18:43.62\00:18:45.75
But I need to
find a new direction
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that everywhere I went,
you know, wasn't a memory,
00:18:47.99\00:18:51.86
not that I was
trying to forget him
00:18:51.89\00:18:53.70
but I needed some healing time.
00:18:53.73\00:18:55.63
Yes.
00:18:55.66\00:18:57.00
What I found out for me
getting right back on the boat
00:18:57.03\00:18:59.97
was healing me.
00:19:00.00\00:19:02.44
And so Live to
be Well was birth.
00:19:02.47\00:19:05.07
And then I
called you with an idea.
00:19:05.11\00:19:08.48
I want to continue the program.
00:19:08.51\00:19:10.51
And we talked about
having another co-host
00:19:10.55\00:19:13.72
and I said, "No, maybe
guest co-host in the future
00:19:13.75\00:19:17.39
but let's go forward
with Live to be Well."
00:19:17.42\00:19:20.62
And that's how it was birthed.
00:19:20.66\00:19:22.39
And I know Arthur,
excuse me, would, excuse me,
00:19:22.42\00:19:27.36
would want me...
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I'm getting a
little emotional. Yeah.
00:19:29.56\00:19:30.90
Would want me to go forth.
00:19:30.93\00:19:34.20
And then be an
example for my children
00:19:34.24\00:19:37.31
that difficulties will rise,
we're going to have tragedy,
00:19:37.34\00:19:42.34
but we're more than
overcomers and Christ Jesus,
00:19:42.38\00:19:45.05
we're more than conquerors.
00:19:45.08\00:19:46.75
And for them to see me
go forth maintaining myself,
00:19:46.78\00:19:51.25
not letting myself go two ways,
keeping the business going,
00:19:51.29\00:19:55.59
helping others, you know...
00:19:55.62\00:19:59.19
you know, who can God use?
00:19:59.23\00:20:01.33
Use me Lord, not
knowing it was going to just
00:20:01.36\00:20:04.17
keep going and keep
going and now I'm back to
00:20:04.20\00:20:07.24
just speaking engagements,
00:20:07.27\00:20:08.80
back to starting
my clothing line,
00:20:08.84\00:20:11.54
Live to be Well, the business,
the Ministry of the counseling,
00:20:11.57\00:20:15.74
clinic is more
vibrant than ever.
00:20:15.78\00:20:19.41
And so I'm going forth
because God is with me.
00:20:19.45\00:20:22.98
Praise the Lord for that.
We praise the Lord for that.
00:20:23.02\00:20:25.62
What would you say have been
the greatest challenges to you
00:20:25.65\00:20:31.59
since deciding
to go on, you know,
00:20:31.63\00:20:35.76
what would you say have
been the biggest obstacles?
00:20:35.80\00:20:41.20
Feeling my loyalty to God
00:20:43.30\00:20:47.01
being, not angry at
God for taking my husband
00:20:47.04\00:20:51.05
putting him to sleep,
00:20:51.08\00:20:52.81
but at the same
time, I got to honor you.
00:20:52.85\00:20:56.92
So it was a mixed emotion
00:20:56.95\00:21:01.42
to deal with my
feelings with God
00:21:01.46\00:21:05.43
and allow myself to trust him,
00:21:05.46\00:21:09.03
and then to
continue to serve him
00:21:09.06\00:21:11.13
because he gave me
these talents and gifts.
00:21:11.17\00:21:14.30
And as a little girl,
I had severe stuttering.
00:21:14.34\00:21:17.01
I was a severe stutterer.
00:21:17.04\00:21:18.71
And I am ADHD,
00:21:18.74\00:21:21.01
I went through
special needs classes
00:21:21.04\00:21:23.75
from the sixth
grade all the way through
00:21:23.78\00:21:25.31
graduate school having tutors.
00:21:25.35\00:21:28.12
But I said, "God, you
didn't bring me this far
00:21:28.15\00:21:31.02
to leave me."
00:21:31.05\00:21:32.39
And so therefore, I must get up.
00:21:32.42\00:21:34.26
And I know me.
00:21:34.29\00:21:35.86
If I am not busy,
00:21:35.89\00:21:39.16
I can't keep
still, I can't be still,
00:21:39.19\00:21:41.46
I got to be finding
things for people to do,
00:21:41.50\00:21:44.33
and, I saw that.
00:21:44.37\00:21:46.33
And trying to help
people find their niche,
00:21:46.37\00:21:50.41
helping people to understand.
00:21:50.44\00:21:51.77
And do you know
since Arthur's passing,
00:21:51.81\00:21:55.68
more people have been calling
for Christian counseling.
00:21:55.71\00:22:00.72
So I know and every time I
get ready to close my doors,
00:22:00.75\00:22:03.75
the phone would ring.
00:22:03.79\00:22:05.12
And I said, "It's not
my time. It's not my time."
00:22:05.15\00:22:07.96
And then when you said, "Yes."
00:22:07.99\00:22:10.63
Then I said, "It's
not my time to end this."
00:22:10.66\00:22:13.19
Absolutely.
00:22:13.23\00:22:14.56
So I will continue to go forth.
00:22:14.60\00:22:15.93
So that was one of
the largest challenges
00:22:15.96\00:22:20.47
allowing God to heal
me and I'm still healing
00:22:20.50\00:22:24.14
and you can't put
a time frame on this.
00:22:24.17\00:22:26.41
That's right.
00:22:26.44\00:22:27.78
Working with my
children, being mom,
00:22:27.81\00:22:30.25
and being a single
mom that is a challenge,
00:22:30.28\00:22:33.15
because Arthur was
laid back, it was quiet,
00:22:33.18\00:22:36.79
"Leave the baby alone.
00:22:36.82\00:22:39.12
Let the baby...
She can do it later.
00:22:39.15\00:22:42.19
Come on, Erin,
we're out of here."
00:22:42.22\00:22:43.99
Exactly. Exactly.
00:22:44.03\00:22:45.93
He would, "Why are you fussing?
00:22:45.96\00:22:48.33
Is it really that big a deal?"
00:22:48.36\00:22:49.70
He would be laying in bed,
00:22:49.73\00:22:51.43
he would get up
and go downstairs
00:22:51.47\00:22:52.97
and watch they want fork
because I couldn't sleep.
00:22:53.00\00:22:55.30
He said, "You have issues."
That's what he used to say.
00:22:55.34\00:22:57.47
"You got issues."
00:22:57.51\00:22:59.77
But we worked.
00:22:59.81\00:23:01.14
We made it work. You did.
00:23:01.18\00:23:02.74
Because we were our balance.
00:23:02.78\00:23:04.58
And I remember
explaining to Arthur
00:23:04.61\00:23:07.85
why I was so...
00:23:07.88\00:23:09.65
I was OCD.
00:23:09.68\00:23:11.35
My father was very
organized and clean, my mom too,
00:23:11.39\00:23:17.69
but when my
parents got divorced,
00:23:17.73\00:23:19.89
I would clean, clean,
clean, hoping that would be,
00:23:19.93\00:23:22.66
my dad would come home.
00:23:22.70\00:23:24.53
I said, "Daddy,
I've cleaned this daddy,
00:23:24.57\00:23:25.90
I did this the way you like it.
00:23:25.93\00:23:27.44
Will you come home?"
00:23:27.47\00:23:28.87
He said, "No baby,
I can't come home."
00:23:28.90\00:23:31.01
And so I became
that force in the house
00:23:31.04\00:23:34.18
always keeping
things clean and organized.
00:23:34.21\00:23:36.08
I had three siblings but
my mom always called on me
00:23:36.11\00:23:39.21
because my father
trained me to mow the lawn,
00:23:39.25\00:23:42.78
rake, organize, do everything.
00:23:42.82\00:23:45.39
He alphabetized all
things in the cabinet.
00:23:45.42\00:23:48.59
So he was OCD,
was your dad also OCD?
00:23:48.62\00:23:51.63
Yes, he was
OCD. He was very OCD.
00:23:51.66\00:23:54.40
But out of all the children,
I really pulled to him.
00:23:54.43\00:23:58.20
And then when my mom,
00:23:58.23\00:23:59.57
my mom got
depressed after divorce,
00:23:59.60\00:24:01.94
and I started doing
everything in the house.
00:24:01.97\00:24:04.44
I was the oldest daughter,
but not the oldest sibling,
00:24:04.47\00:24:08.18
but I did when I
told her brothers
00:24:08.21\00:24:10.05
but I did everything in and out.
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So that transition to my
life even in boarding school,
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I cleaned the rooms
in boarding school for,
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you know, they paid me.
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Because these girls
did not clean their rooms,
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out in the dorm at Oakwood.
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I was like, "Really? Really?
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This is how you
organize your closet."
00:24:26.23\00:24:28.06
So people would pay me
and I made lots of money.
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I made my tuition.
00:24:30.27\00:24:31.93
Wow! Yes.
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Organizing their
rooms for room check
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because they
would get fined $25.
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See that is...
00:24:37.01\00:24:40.01
That's making
lemonade out of lemons.
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That's right.
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Well, if you're OCD, you
put that really to good use
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and made your tuition.
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I made my tuition.
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Yes, I did, I made of whoever...
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I didn't make
working in the cafe,
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I was a hostess in the cafe,
you know, greeting everyone,
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I was the greeter.
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But I still needed extra money.
00:24:57.93\00:24:59.39
You know, what I see
with you, Dr. Kim, is that...
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You practice what you preach.
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In that, you're dealing
with life from a biblical place
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and you're taking bad situations
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and trying to make
something good come of it.
00:25:17.41\00:25:20.95
And it is a Biblical concept
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but a lot of
people don't do that.
00:25:25.32\00:25:27.22
Yes.
00:25:27.26\00:25:28.59
What about you,
Erin, in one minute,
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what would you tell young people
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who are dealing with grief?
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What would you tell them is
the best way to get through?
00:25:35.20\00:25:40.77
I would say, move to God
00:25:40.80\00:25:44.17
and your siblings
and whoever parent,
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whatever parent
you have with you,
00:25:48.31\00:25:50.65
and friends, bunch of friends,
00:25:50.68\00:25:53.25
not necessarily distractions
but supporters to help you
00:25:53.28\00:25:58.52
get through whatever
process you're in, basically.
00:25:58.55\00:26:03.09
So you get your
support system from God
00:26:03.12\00:26:06.09
and from your
friends and from your parent.
00:26:06.13\00:26:08.70
Yes. That's good.
00:26:08.73\00:26:10.50
And my siblings. Yeah.
00:26:10.53\00:26:12.20
Yes. Yeah.
00:26:12.23\00:26:13.57
Dr. Kim, do you have
a quick closing thought?
00:26:13.60\00:26:15.44
I just want to say to
everyone pace yourself
00:26:15.47\00:26:18.91
and pour into your
children, love them.
00:26:18.94\00:26:21.78
I'm going to try to find
a little bit more balance
00:26:21.81\00:26:24.08
in myself.
00:26:24.11\00:26:25.95
I'm in counseling and
will be going on counseling
00:26:25.98\00:26:29.55
because I want her to understand
00:26:29.58\00:26:31.59
the importance of her healing
and being able to talk freely.
00:26:31.62\00:26:36.32
So just pace
yourself, be open, listen,
00:26:36.36\00:26:39.93
and be able to move
forward in Jesus Christ.
00:26:39.96\00:26:44.20
Thank you.
00:26:44.23\00:26:45.57
Thank you so much
for being so transparent.
00:26:45.60\00:26:47.80
You know, you really,
kind of, gave us a little look
00:26:47.84\00:26:51.91
into the dynamic
between you, but it's real.
00:26:51.94\00:26:55.34
It's real.
00:26:55.38\00:26:56.71
And this program
Live to be Well is real.
00:26:56.75\00:26:59.78
So make sure you
tune in. God bless.
00:26:59.81\00:27:02.48
Dr. Kim and Erin,
we're so delightful.
00:27:05.85\00:27:08.66
It's so nice to see Dr.
Kim in her own environment
00:27:08.69\00:27:12.63
and we got to meet Erin today.
00:27:12.66\00:27:15.23
What a blessing. What a legacy.
00:27:15.26\00:27:18.07
Arthur Nowlin
left for his family
00:27:18.10\00:27:21.00
and for the viewers.
00:27:21.04\00:27:22.70
We're so
thankful that we had him
00:27:22.74\00:27:24.37
for the time that we did.
00:27:24.41\00:27:26.01
And we're so thankful that
Dr. Kim is pressing forward,
00:27:26.04\00:27:29.94
moving on continuing
to host and to do therapy
00:27:29.98\00:27:35.22
and to just be a blessing.
00:27:35.25\00:27:36.69
She's a speaker everywhere.
00:27:36.72\00:27:38.65
She's just a blessing.
So we're really thankful.
00:27:38.69\00:27:41.69
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00:27:58.77\00:28:01.38
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