What Adventist icon 00:00:01.33\00:00:02.70 went from the cotton fields to the mission fields? 00:00:02.73\00:00:05.57 Stay tuned to find out. 00:00:05.60\00:00:07.30 My name was Yvonne Lewis, 00:00:07.34\00:00:08.84 and you're watching Urban Report. 00:00:08.87\00:00:10.94 Hello and welcome to Urban Report. 00:00:34.56\00:00:37.03 My guest today is Dorothy Knight Marsh, 00:00:37.10\00:00:40.37 author of the Anna Knight biography, 00:00:40.40\00:00:42.84 "From the Cotton Fields to the Mission Fields". 00:00:42.87\00:00:45.67 Welcome to Urban Report, Dorothy. 00:00:45.71\00:00:47.54 Thank you for having me. Oh, it's so great to have you. 00:00:47.58\00:00:50.78 You know, you sent me this book, 00:00:50.81\00:00:52.68 and it's just so interesting. 00:00:52.71\00:00:56.62 First of all, 00:00:56.65\00:00:57.99 what is your relationship to Anna Knight? 00:00:58.02\00:01:01.12 Because the book is a biography, Anna Knight. 00:01:01.16\00:01:04.53 What was your relationship to her? 00:01:04.56\00:01:07.60 Anna Knight was my great aunt. 00:01:07.60\00:01:10.53 Ah! Yes. 00:01:10.57\00:01:12.77 I used to see her at Oakwood, I lived at Oakwood as a child, 00:01:12.80\00:01:17.37 and I would see her on the campus, 00:01:17.41\00:01:19.37 and I regret now 00:01:19.41\00:01:20.94 that I never had a conversation with her. 00:01:20.98\00:01:23.35 I didn't know her journey, 00:01:23.41\00:01:24.78 but your book so beautifully outlines her journey. 00:01:24.81\00:01:28.32 But before we talk about her journey, 00:01:28.35\00:01:30.89 let's talk a little bit about your journey, 00:01:30.95\00:01:32.55 what made you write this book? 00:01:32.59\00:01:34.72 Well, I found this information, all of her information, 00:01:34.76\00:01:41.20 but then I found 00:01:41.23\00:01:43.23 the handwritten copy of her biography, 00:01:43.30\00:01:46.30 and I thought that maybe I should just share this, 00:01:46.33\00:01:48.80 and so with the new information 00:01:48.84\00:01:50.27 that I've found and incorporate that into the biography 00:01:50.34\00:01:53.21 that she had already written, and to update it, 00:01:53.24\00:01:57.38 and I found a lot of information in interviews. 00:01:57.41\00:02:00.62 It was just so much information 00:02:00.65\00:02:02.38 I just wanted to share it with the rest of the world. 00:02:02.42\00:02:04.92 Yeah, because her life was so interesting. 00:02:04.95\00:02:08.96 Where were you born? 00:02:08.99\00:02:10.53 I was born in Soso, Mississippi, 00:02:10.56\00:02:13.13 but I left there as a young child 00:02:13.16\00:02:14.50 about five years ago, 00:02:14.56\00:02:16.46 and we moved around quite a bit 00:02:16.50\00:02:18.73 and I had lived in cities, 00:02:18.77\00:02:20.10 my father was a builder for the conference 00:02:20.14\00:02:22.40 and he built a lot of churches, so we moved around quite a bit. 00:02:22.44\00:02:25.74 So you grew up in a Christian home. 00:02:25.77\00:02:27.34 Yes. 00:02:27.38\00:02:28.71 And when your father was a builder 00:02:28.74\00:02:31.01 for the, which conference? 00:02:31.05\00:02:33.68 Well, he work for several conferences, 00:02:33.72\00:02:35.45 built several churches in different conferences. 00:02:35.48\00:02:39.19 But I spent a lot of time in Oakwood, 00:02:39.22\00:02:40.96 growing up mainly at Oakwood as a young child 00:02:40.99\00:02:43.49 and then entered an academy there. 00:02:43.53\00:02:46.46 Okay, and so your whole background 00:02:46.49\00:02:49.13 then was kind of church focused? 00:02:49.16\00:02:51.93 Yes. 00:02:51.97\00:02:53.30 Yeah, and so did you decide at an early age 00:02:53.37\00:02:57.87 that you wanted to be an author 00:02:57.91\00:02:59.37 or did you take a different career path? 00:02:59.41\00:03:01.88 What career path did you take? Well, I was a business woman. 00:03:01.91\00:03:04.71 My husband and I had our own business for years, 00:03:04.75\00:03:07.65 and I didn't start out to be an author, 00:03:07.68\00:03:11.82 you know, because that was not my journey at that time, 00:03:11.85\00:03:16.49 but then, when I found this information, 00:03:16.52\00:03:19.26 then I started writing the book 00:03:19.29\00:03:21.06 which took me about 15 years 00:03:21.10\00:03:23.73 because, as usual, life just gets into the way. 00:03:23.77\00:03:27.84 So once we retired and moved back 00:03:27.87\00:03:29.84 to my birthplace of Mississippi, 00:03:29.87\00:03:32.54 then I decided I would get really serious 00:03:32.57\00:03:34.74 and finish the book. 00:03:34.78\00:03:36.11 Ah, so this was not something 00:03:36.14\00:03:39.78 that you did in like a year or six months. 00:03:39.81\00:03:42.92 This was a 15-year project. 00:03:42.95\00:03:44.29 Fifteen-year journey. 00:03:44.32\00:03:46.22 Wow. How did you... 00:03:46.25\00:03:48.22 Was it like giving birth or did you feel, 00:03:48.26\00:03:50.59 when it was done? 00:03:50.63\00:03:51.96 How did you feel when it was done? 00:03:51.99\00:03:53.76 When it was done, it was like giving birth 00:03:53.80\00:03:57.63 because I wanted... 00:03:57.67\00:03:59.13 When it got near to the end, 00:03:59.17\00:04:00.74 I just wanted to hurry up and push this book out. 00:04:00.77\00:04:05.27 I wanted to get it done. Yeah. 00:04:05.31\00:04:07.08 So when it finally happened, I was just so happy. 00:04:07.11\00:04:09.78 Oh, I'm sure. 00:04:09.81\00:04:11.15 Let's talk about Anna Knight, 00:04:11.18\00:04:14.32 first of all, her parents, her family situation. 00:04:14.35\00:04:18.82 I found it to be very interesting, 00:04:18.85\00:04:20.99 explain that to our viewers. 00:04:21.02\00:04:23.29 She had a very interesting family. 00:04:23.32\00:04:25.49 Her father was a white farmer, her mother was a mulatto woman, 00:04:25.53\00:04:30.53 and she had two sisters and one brother. 00:04:30.57\00:04:36.81 Now they lived in an area called, 00:04:36.87\00:04:40.18 it was Jones Jasper County, 00:04:40.24\00:04:42.21 and it was just like a compound 00:04:42.24\00:04:45.88 where they were from a mixed racial community, 00:04:45.91\00:04:49.92 it was the first 00:04:49.95\00:04:51.29 mixed racial community in that area. 00:04:51.32\00:04:53.82 So therefore, she kind of stayed 00:04:53.86\00:04:56.59 in that community 00:04:56.62\00:04:58.93 with her mother, and with her brothers, 00:04:58.96\00:05:01.00 her aunts, and uncles all stayed in that community. 00:05:01.03\00:05:05.43 So her dad was Newt Knight? Was Newt Knight. 00:05:05.47\00:05:09.50 About whom they made the movie. Yes. 00:05:09.54\00:05:12.94 With... The Free State of Jones. 00:05:12.97\00:05:14.31 The Free State of Jones. 00:05:14.34\00:05:15.68 So her dad was Newt Knight, her mom was... 00:05:15.71\00:05:18.28 Georgeanne. Georgette? 00:05:19.55\00:05:21.12 Georgeanne, and they... 00:05:21.15\00:05:25.19 So when you say it was a mixed community, 00:05:25.22\00:05:28.09 do you mean it wasn't segregated? 00:05:28.12\00:05:30.93 When you say it was a mixed community, 00:05:30.96\00:05:32.39 was it a segregated community 00:05:32.43\00:05:34.20 or were blacks and whites living together? 00:05:34.30\00:05:36.53 How was that? 00:05:36.56\00:05:38.00 Well, there was... 00:05:38.03\00:05:39.57 Newt was a very busy man, he had an all-white family, 00:05:39.60\00:05:43.10 he had two mixed race family. 00:05:43.14\00:05:47.14 So head of family, my great grandmother Rachel 00:05:47.18\00:05:49.81 who died at early age, 00:05:49.84\00:05:51.58 and then they had a family by Georgeanne, 00:05:51.61\00:05:54.18 and they were all mixed, you know, the white and black. 00:05:54.22\00:05:57.65 Too black to be white and too white to be black. 00:05:57.69\00:06:00.79 Yeah. So they lived there. 00:06:00.82\00:06:02.16 You know, when I would see 00:06:02.19\00:06:05.93 Sister Anna Knight on Oakwood campus, 00:06:05.96\00:06:08.90 she looked white. 00:06:08.93\00:06:10.27 I mean, she absolutely 00:06:10.30\00:06:11.63 I guess passed for white in certain environments, 00:06:11.67\00:06:18.44 but they were called at that time 00:06:18.47\00:06:20.68 White Negros, correct? 00:06:20.71\00:06:22.24 Correct. The book you said... 00:06:22.28\00:06:23.65 Yes, they were called White Negros. 00:06:23.68\00:06:25.01 White Negros. 00:06:25.05\00:06:26.38 And so what kind of life... 00:06:26.41\00:06:29.22 Like, as a White Negro, 00:06:29.25\00:06:35.72 could you pass like in certain environments 00:06:35.76\00:06:38.69 or people knew that you were black, 00:06:38.73\00:06:41.43 so you couldn't, you didn't fit in anywhere, 00:06:41.46\00:06:43.37 how was life as a White Negro? 00:06:43.43\00:06:47.20 Well, some of them left the area 00:06:47.24\00:06:49.30 and did pass for white and lived as white 00:06:49.34\00:06:52.21 most of their lives, they still do. 00:06:52.24\00:06:54.51 And then the others, they stayed there, 00:06:54.54\00:06:56.54 everybody knew who they were, but they never bothered, 00:06:56.58\00:06:59.48 it was just something nobody never talked about 00:06:59.51\00:07:01.98 but they knew exactly 00:07:02.02\00:07:03.35 who they were and who we were living there, 00:07:03.42\00:07:06.99 but no-one just never talked about it. 00:07:07.02\00:07:08.79 They just said those are the Newt Knight's children 00:07:08.82\00:07:12.23 from Jasper County and that was it. 00:07:12.26\00:07:14.40 And did the black children associate with the white, 00:07:14.46\00:07:18.10 you know, the brothers and sisters from Newt Knight? 00:07:18.13\00:07:19.80 Yes. 00:07:19.83\00:07:21.17 So the family, the children played together 00:07:21.20\00:07:23.51 and knew each other as sisters and brothers? 00:07:23.54\00:07:26.24 That is correct. 00:07:26.27\00:07:28.41 And so how did the, I know I'm asking a lot, 00:07:28.44\00:07:31.08 but these are questions I'm pretty sure 00:07:31.11\00:07:33.45 viewers would want to know 00:07:33.52\00:07:34.85 because you kind of automatically assess like, 00:07:34.88\00:07:37.29 how did the white wife deal with the black wife. 00:07:37.32\00:07:41.32 I mean, how did they get along? 00:07:41.36\00:07:44.13 At first, they did not get along 00:07:44.16\00:07:46.49 and she had left at one point but she came back. 00:07:46.53\00:07:49.53 Who, the white wife? 00:07:49.56\00:07:50.93 The white wife Serena, 00:07:50.97\00:07:52.30 she left at one point but she came back, 00:07:52.33\00:07:54.57 and Rachel, like I said, died at an early age 00:07:54.60\00:07:58.44 and they didn't associate that much. 00:07:58.47\00:08:02.21 But Newt took care of all of them, 00:08:02.24\00:08:04.71 all the children, all of his wives, 00:08:04.75\00:08:06.61 he took care of them in his own little community 00:08:06.65\00:08:09.48 there that he had established. 00:08:09.52\00:08:11.02 It's an area called Six Town in Mississippi, 00:08:11.05\00:08:13.89 so he established that community 00:08:13.92\00:08:15.39 and he just took care of all of his families, 00:08:15.42\00:08:18.43 the white, half white, and another half white. 00:08:18.46\00:08:24.70 So he kind of, 00:08:24.73\00:08:26.37 he was a man that nobody questioned him 00:08:26.40\00:08:30.81 and he could do exactly what he wanted to do. 00:08:30.84\00:08:33.38 Was he a wealthy man? 00:08:33.41\00:08:35.81 Not a wealthy man, 00:08:35.84\00:08:37.18 but he was a hard worker and he owned a lot of land. 00:08:37.25\00:08:42.52 But he wasn't wealthy by any means, 00:08:42.55\00:08:44.52 but he was just a hard worker that took care of everyone, 00:08:44.55\00:08:47.36 not only his family, but during the war, 00:08:47.39\00:08:50.43 he took care of all the other families 00:08:50.46\00:08:52.73 and the widows that were left from the war. 00:08:52.76\00:08:55.13 He was the one that gave them the food and the shelter 00:08:55.16\00:08:59.40 that they needed during the Civil War. 00:08:59.43\00:09:02.17 So he was a man that you loved or you hated. 00:09:02.20\00:09:06.84 Interesting character. Yes. 00:09:06.91\00:09:10.28 Did he consider himself a Christian 00:09:10.31\00:09:13.65 because he was a polygamist, 00:09:13.68\00:09:15.62 I mean, he had these different wives, 00:09:15.65\00:09:18.15 but he wasn't, probably wasn't legally married 00:09:18.19\00:09:20.69 to the black ones 00:09:20.72\00:09:22.06 'cause you couldn't legally marry 00:09:22.09\00:09:23.43 black in those days, 00:09:23.46\00:09:24.79 you couldn't mix races at that time. 00:09:24.83\00:09:27.03 No, but it was thought sort of like a common love marriage 00:09:27.13\00:09:30.47 between the wives, 00:09:30.50\00:09:32.30 but, you know, like I said, he played by his own rules. 00:09:32.33\00:09:35.77 Yes, he called himself, he was a Baptist, I think, 00:09:35.80\00:09:40.51 but he called himself a Christian man 00:09:40.58\00:09:43.55 but I don't know how you could say that. 00:09:43.58\00:09:48.02 Yeah. 00:09:48.05\00:09:49.38 Yeah, it's a perspective. Yeah. 00:09:49.42\00:09:52.42 So it was out of that environment 00:09:52.45\00:09:56.66 that Anna Knight was born into a mixed household? 00:09:56.73\00:10:03.53 That's correct. 00:10:03.57\00:10:04.90 How often was her dad around? Was he or around regularly? 00:10:04.93\00:10:10.11 Was he there on a regular basis to parent her? 00:10:10.17\00:10:14.18 Or did her mom just kind of have to do it? 00:10:14.24\00:10:17.21 He was involved in all of his family's lives, 00:10:17.25\00:10:19.85 all of them. 00:10:19.88\00:10:21.22 He would come around to see to it that everything, 00:10:21.25\00:10:24.82 everybody was taken care of and they had their, 00:10:24.85\00:10:27.96 they were not slaves now, 00:10:27.99\00:10:29.49 all these women lived in his property 00:10:29.52\00:10:30.93 but they were free women 00:10:30.96\00:10:32.43 and they were sharecropped, 00:10:32.46\00:10:33.86 so they had their own land, 00:10:33.90\00:10:35.23 eventually Georgeanne and his mother 00:10:35.26\00:10:37.13 bought her own land, 00:10:37.20\00:10:38.53 she owned about 160 acres of land herself. 00:10:38.57\00:10:41.90 So she was hard working woman herself 00:10:41.94\00:10:45.04 and so she provided for her children 00:10:45.07\00:10:47.94 and he provided for them also. 00:10:47.98\00:10:50.88 So Newt was not Georgeanne's father. 00:10:55.15\00:10:57.82 No. 00:10:57.85\00:10:59.19 Okay, so Rachel was Georgeanne's mother. 00:10:59.22\00:11:03.29 Right. But Newt wasn't. 00:11:03.32\00:11:05.29 And so Georgeanne grew up and then Newt married her. 00:11:05.33\00:11:08.76 That's correct. Yeah. 00:11:08.80\00:11:10.67 When Rachel came to live with Newt, 00:11:10.73\00:11:13.50 she had Georgeanne 00:11:13.54\00:11:16.37 and another little girl named Rosette, 00:11:16.40\00:11:19.24 which we don't know too much about, 00:11:19.27\00:11:20.84 and she was pregnant with Jeffrey. 00:11:20.88\00:11:23.65 And then, so Georgeanne was not related to Newt at all. 00:11:23.71\00:11:29.52 So it was just Rachel's daughter. 00:11:29.55\00:11:32.39 Right, right. By another man. 00:11:32.42\00:11:34.22 So what kind of childhood did Anna Knight have? 00:11:34.26\00:11:37.89 It was kind of a rough childhood 00:11:37.93\00:11:39.63 because there was so many people living in this log cabin 00:11:39.66\00:11:43.30 besides her two sisters and brother, 00:11:43.33\00:11:46.47 there were uncles that lived there, 00:11:46.50\00:11:48.80 they were married, 00:11:48.84\00:11:50.24 and they were just hardworking people. 00:11:50.27\00:11:53.11 They had one big house where there was the bedrooms 00:11:53.14\00:11:57.08 and they had another house that was the kitchen 00:11:57.11\00:11:59.51 where everybody would eat, 00:11:59.55\00:12:01.08 and this is where they cooked their food. 00:12:01.12\00:12:02.95 But Georgeanne... 00:12:02.98\00:12:04.32 I mean Anna was always felt like 00:12:04.35\00:12:06.96 she was in the way and pushed around 00:12:06.99\00:12:08.86 'cause there was just so many people. 00:12:08.89\00:12:10.63 So she spent a lot of her time out in the woods, nature, 00:12:10.66\00:12:14.10 and that's why she loved to go and take her dog, 00:12:14.10\00:12:17.60 and go to the woods, and eat the wild berries 00:12:17.63\00:12:19.77 and the nutgrass and muscadines, 00:12:19.80\00:12:22.07 and that's what she preferred to do. 00:12:22.10\00:12:24.94 So she was kind of a loner, was she introverted? 00:12:24.97\00:12:29.44 No, not at all. 00:12:29.48\00:12:31.38 No, she always loved to be around people 00:12:31.41\00:12:34.68 and always was the teacher preacher, 00:12:34.72\00:12:37.62 just the kind of person she was. 00:12:37.65\00:12:40.82 So how did she... 00:12:40.86\00:12:43.73 Because she learned to read. Yes. 00:12:43.79\00:12:45.83 How did she learn to read? 00:12:45.86\00:12:47.83 Her mother did chores 00:12:47.86\00:12:50.50 for the other families in the area, 00:12:50.53\00:12:53.37 and for doing the laundry, 00:12:53.40\00:12:56.00 doing the chores for the families, 00:12:56.04\00:12:58.11 they said, "I would do this 00:12:58.14\00:12:59.77 if you would teach my daughter how to read." 00:12:59.81\00:13:02.38 And Anna decided 00:13:02.41\00:13:03.75 that she would do the children's chores 00:13:03.78\00:13:05.68 if they would teach her how to read too. 00:13:05.71\00:13:07.95 So when they were finished their books 00:13:07.98\00:13:09.95 the Blue Back Speller, 00:13:09.98\00:13:11.45 they would give them to Anna 00:13:11.49\00:13:13.39 and they would teach her 00:13:13.46\00:13:15.09 how to form the letters and the words, 00:13:15.12\00:13:17.79 and that's how she learned how to read. 00:13:17.83\00:13:21.33 And she was very motivated, wasn't she? 00:13:21.36\00:13:23.43 Yes, she was. 00:13:23.47\00:13:24.83 From the book, 00:13:24.87\00:13:26.20 it sounded as though she really wanted to learn, 00:13:26.23\00:13:30.17 she had a zest of thirst for knowledge. 00:13:30.21\00:13:33.64 Yes. 00:13:33.68\00:13:35.01 And she would go off and read 00:13:35.04\00:13:36.38 and just like enjoy 00:13:36.41\00:13:38.41 that time away and read and study. 00:13:38.45\00:13:42.22 Read and study. 00:13:42.25\00:13:43.59 She knew there was something better in life for her 00:13:43.65\00:13:46.62 than what she had. 00:13:46.65\00:13:48.06 So the only way for her to get out 00:13:48.09\00:13:50.89 was to get an education 00:13:50.93\00:13:52.59 and to read and learn how to write. 00:13:52.63\00:13:54.83 And how did she get that education? 00:13:54.86\00:13:59.63 Her mother, 00:13:59.67\00:14:01.07 when they went, glimpse back, she went to the Soso, 00:14:01.10\00:14:04.84 which is a town about six miles from where they lived, 00:14:04.87\00:14:08.01 and there a man came by was selling these magazines, 00:14:08.04\00:14:11.88 subscriptions to a little newspaper, 00:14:11.91\00:14:14.95 and Anna begged her mother to give her the money 00:14:14.98\00:14:18.32 so she could get that subscription 00:14:18.35\00:14:20.46 and her mother gave it to her 00:14:20.49\00:14:21.86 but she gave her a big tongue lashing, 00:14:21.89\00:14:24.13 "So you should never ask me 00:14:24.16\00:14:26.13 in front of people like that again." 00:14:26.16\00:14:27.96 So in the magazine, she found letters, 00:14:28.00\00:14:31.70 I mean place called Cousins' Exchange, 00:14:31.73\00:14:34.34 and there is where she learned how to write, 00:14:34.37\00:14:38.47 other people her age and said, 00:14:38.51\00:14:40.74 "Would you please send me some reading matter 00:14:40.78\00:14:43.71 and I want to read." 00:14:43.75\00:14:45.65 And so she received a lot of magazines 00:14:45.68\00:14:48.05 like Wild Bill magazines, novels and stuff like that, 00:14:48.08\00:14:53.02 but she finally ended up getting a magazine 00:14:53.05\00:14:56.32 from Miss Emery, which was Signs of the Times, 00:14:56.36\00:15:01.03 and when she found that magazine, 00:15:01.06\00:15:03.23 that was the one that she fell in love with. 00:15:03.26\00:15:07.04 So that was kind of an introduction 00:15:07.07\00:15:11.27 into spiritual information? 00:15:11.31\00:15:13.31 That is correct. 00:15:13.38\00:15:15.21 So expand on that, how did she, 00:15:15.24\00:15:17.15 how did her spiritual path develop? 00:15:17.18\00:15:19.78 Then after she started getting that information, 00:15:19.81\00:15:22.05 Miss Emery put her in touch with the Chambers, 00:15:22.08\00:15:25.12 Mr. and Mrs. Chambers out of Chattanooga, Tennessee, 00:15:25.15\00:15:28.56 and so he would continue to send her information, 00:15:28.59\00:15:30.93 a youth instructor, and a little friend 00:15:30.96\00:15:35.50 so that she could read the information 00:15:35.53\00:15:38.33 but she didn't know what she was reading, 00:15:38.37\00:15:40.14 she didn't know what religion this was, 00:15:40.20\00:15:41.77 all she knew that she loved it, 00:15:41.80\00:15:43.51 she had to find out more and more about it. 00:15:43.57\00:15:46.74 And so they kept sending her the information, 00:15:46.78\00:15:49.48 and finally, she told her mother, 00:15:49.51\00:15:52.65 "I want to go to Chattanooga, you know, to meet the Chambers. 00:15:52.68\00:15:57.15 And so I can get an education and find out 00:15:57.19\00:16:00.42 what is this newfound religion." 00:16:00.49\00:16:02.82 And then that's what she did. 00:16:02.86\00:16:04.49 She left home and... How old was she? 00:16:04.53\00:16:06.46 She was about 16 at that time and everybody said, 00:16:06.49\00:16:10.17 "You can't go out there, 00:16:10.20\00:16:11.53 you haven't caught a train by yourself, 00:16:11.57\00:16:12.90 somebody will kill you, get kidnapped or anything, 00:16:12.93\00:16:15.87 so you can't go." 00:16:15.90\00:16:17.31 But she went anyway, 00:16:17.34\00:16:18.67 she was a very, very determined lady, 00:16:18.71\00:16:21.64 but she went anyway. 00:16:21.68\00:16:24.25 So she went to Chattanooga from Mississippi? 00:16:24.28\00:16:26.82 Right. 00:16:26.85\00:16:28.18 On her own at 16. At 16. 00:16:28.22\00:16:30.69 How did her mom feel about her going? 00:16:30.72\00:16:33.36 Like what kind of reaction did she get from her mother? 00:16:33.39\00:16:36.59 She didn't like it at all. 00:16:36.62\00:16:38.33 She said, "But if your head did set on it, 00:16:38.36\00:16:40.43 you go ahead and go." 00:16:40.50\00:16:42.06 So her father came around and said, 00:16:42.10\00:16:43.77 "If you're gonna go, 00:16:43.83\00:16:45.40 and if people ask who you are, what you are, 00:16:45.43\00:16:48.10 just say nothing." 00:16:48.14\00:16:50.07 And so she kept those words, 00:16:50.11\00:16:51.54 she didn't say anything when they ask, "Who you are?" 00:16:51.57\00:16:55.14 And but she went ahead anyway but her mother and her family 00:16:55.18\00:16:58.41 did not like her leaving home at an early age. 00:16:58.45\00:17:02.78 So when she got to Chattanooga, how she received? 00:17:02.82\00:17:06.82 The Chambers received her with open arms. 00:17:06.89\00:17:09.79 It was a family, they kind of like 00:17:09.82\00:17:11.23 took in a lot of young girls to train them 00:17:11.26\00:17:14.63 and to help them to go to school. 00:17:14.66\00:17:16.77 So she was no different from any of the other girls. 00:17:16.80\00:17:19.40 They didn't ask who she was, 00:17:19.43\00:17:20.77 if she was white or black or what, 00:17:20.84\00:17:23.04 they just took her in just like one of their own 00:17:23.07\00:17:25.94 and they taught her about Seventh-day Adventism. 00:17:25.97\00:17:29.64 And so she decided she would join the church 00:17:29.68\00:17:32.85 and get baptized while she was there. 00:17:32.88\00:17:35.42 Wow. So look at God. 00:17:35.45\00:17:37.09 I mean look at how God orchestrated all of that, 00:17:37.12\00:17:41.29 you know, brought her to Him through literature, 00:17:41.32\00:17:46.43 and then she got an education. 00:17:46.46\00:17:49.96 I mean, God is just... He's so amazing. 00:17:50.03\00:17:52.57 He has a plan for everyone's life. 00:17:52.60\00:17:55.27 He does. 00:17:55.30\00:17:56.67 She had no idea were God was gonna take her. 00:17:56.71\00:17:59.44 No, she didn't. She had no idea. 00:17:59.47\00:18:01.61 So she got that education there, 00:18:01.64\00:18:04.71 and she had, I remember reading in the book, 00:18:04.75\00:18:07.35 she had a hard time at first at the school in Chattanooga, 00:18:07.38\00:18:11.59 tells us a little bit about that. 00:18:11.62\00:18:13.69 Well, they asked her, 00:18:13.72\00:18:15.32 "Since you're gonna be up here with us, 00:18:15.36\00:18:16.69 we're gonna send you to school." 00:18:16.76\00:18:18.69 So they sent her to Graysville Academy 00:18:18.73\00:18:22.13 to go to school. 00:18:22.16\00:18:23.77 And while there, the other students said, 00:18:23.80\00:18:27.04 you know, "We have somebody in our classroom, 00:18:27.07\00:18:30.71 a gringo they called her, 00:18:30.74\00:18:32.61 and we don't know who or what she is, 00:18:32.64\00:18:34.84 but if she's in our classroom, 00:18:34.88\00:18:36.98 we don't want to come back to school." 00:18:37.05\00:18:38.51 So the parents said, 00:18:38.55\00:18:39.88 "If you don't take this person out of this classroom, 00:18:39.91\00:18:42.25 we will not send our children back to school." 00:18:42.28\00:18:44.89 So she only had attended a real school for one day 00:18:44.92\00:18:49.69 and she had to leave the school. 00:18:49.72\00:18:52.16 And the Chambers taught her, home-schooled her. 00:18:52.19\00:18:56.50 So how beautiful of them, they didn't send her back. 00:18:56.53\00:18:59.03 They didn't send her back They home-schooled her. 00:18:59.07\00:19:01.94 And then she left there and went where? 00:19:01.97\00:19:04.14 To Mount Vernon Academy. 00:19:04.17\00:19:06.71 And they prepared her to go to Mount Vernon Academy 00:19:06.74\00:19:10.18 and that was further away from home. 00:19:10.21\00:19:12.61 She, you know, she didn't tell her mother, 00:19:12.65\00:19:15.15 mother didn't know where she was going 00:19:15.18\00:19:16.92 but she would write the letters back to her and tell 00:19:16.95\00:19:19.82 "I'm in Mount Vernon, Ohio now, going to Mount Vernon Academy." 00:19:19.85\00:19:24.26 She always made sure that mother knew where she was 00:19:24.29\00:19:27.23 even though her mother did not answer her letters. 00:19:27.23\00:19:30.97 Could her mother read? 00:19:31.00\00:19:32.33 Yes, she could read. Okay, okay. 00:19:32.37\00:19:34.50 If she couldn't, she had someone to read it for her, 00:19:34.54\00:19:36.81 but she understood. 00:19:36.84\00:19:38.17 Yeah, but she never answered her. 00:19:38.21\00:19:39.84 Never answered her. Wow. 00:19:39.87\00:19:42.18 So from the academy, where did she go? 00:19:42.21\00:19:45.98 She went to Battle Creek Industrial School. 00:19:46.01\00:19:50.29 They heard about that, 00:19:50.32\00:19:52.09 and it was two nurses that she had met 00:19:52.12\00:19:55.12 while she worked in Chattanooga, 00:19:55.16\00:19:57.33 they recommended her to go to 00:19:57.36\00:19:59.79 the Battle Creek Sanitarium Industrial School, 00:19:59.83\00:20:02.90 and she was accepted into that. 00:20:02.93\00:20:04.47 She went to Battle Creek, Michigan. 00:20:04.50\00:20:08.27 There again, further away from home 00:20:08.30\00:20:10.77 and started school and worked her way 00:20:10.81\00:20:13.38 through school there. 00:20:13.44\00:20:15.18 And one of the things that I noticed in the book is 00:20:15.21\00:20:18.01 how industrious she was, what strong work ethic she had. 00:20:18.05\00:20:22.65 She wasn't somebody who would just slouch 00:20:22.68\00:20:25.79 or half do anything. 00:20:25.82\00:20:27.89 She really focused on getting the job done and doing it well, 00:20:27.92\00:20:31.96 and she stood out among her peers 00:20:31.99\00:20:33.90 as a result of that. 00:20:33.96\00:20:35.26 She did. She did. 00:20:35.30\00:20:36.70 How did she get to India? 00:20:36.73\00:20:39.83 I think is 1901, when she left, 00:20:39.87\00:20:42.50 when she graduated from Battle Creek in 1898. 00:20:42.54\00:20:45.61 She came back to Mississippi 00:20:45.64\00:20:47.91 because she graduated as a missionary nurse, 00:20:47.94\00:20:51.35 so they ask her what does she want to do, 00:20:51.38\00:20:52.88 she said, "I want to go to 00:20:52.91\00:20:54.25 the mission field to Mississippi." 00:20:54.28\00:20:57.82 When she went back to Mississippi, 00:20:57.85\00:21:00.16 then she got a call 00:21:00.19\00:21:01.52 to attend general conference session 00:21:01.56\00:21:04.03 and Dr. Kellogg asked for people 00:21:04.06\00:21:06.46 to go to India as missionary nurses, 00:21:06.49\00:21:09.66 and she and another lady volunteered to go. 00:21:09.70\00:21:13.60 So there again, she never returned home, 00:21:13.64\00:21:16.91 she said, "But if you send someone to take over my school, 00:21:16.97\00:21:20.14 then I will go to India." 00:21:20.18\00:21:22.01 Because she had started a school 00:21:22.04\00:21:24.31 among the black people in Mississippi. 00:21:24.35\00:21:28.98 The mixed race community which no school 00:21:29.02\00:21:32.12 will accept the children from that community. 00:21:32.15\00:21:35.86 No school? 00:21:35.89\00:21:37.23 No school, they could not go to school 00:21:37.29\00:21:39.73 because they were too white or too black. 00:21:39.76\00:21:42.83 And so they couldn't go to school, 00:21:42.86\00:21:44.90 so she came back and started her own school 00:21:44.93\00:21:47.80 for the children. 00:21:47.84\00:21:49.17 That's beautiful. 00:21:49.20\00:21:50.54 So she started the school 00:21:50.57\00:21:52.67 and one of the things that she asked God 00:21:52.71\00:21:55.24 to let her know if she should go to India was... 00:21:55.28\00:21:58.51 Tell us. 00:21:58.55\00:21:59.95 If she'd go to India, 00:22:00.05\00:22:01.38 "If you helped meet since went to my school, 00:22:01.42\00:22:03.22 then I'm going to India." 00:22:03.25\00:22:05.02 She prayed all night and cried all night. 00:22:05.05\00:22:08.09 And she made up her mind 00:22:08.12\00:22:09.46 that she's going to go ahead to India, 00:22:09.49\00:22:11.03 they did find someone to go to her school in Mississippi, 00:22:11.06\00:22:14.73 and she went to India as a missionary nurse. 00:22:14.76\00:22:18.20 Wow. What happened to her while she was in India? 00:22:18.23\00:22:21.84 She did a lot of things, she worked, 00:22:21.87\00:22:25.24 first she started out in Calcutta, 00:22:25.27\00:22:27.14 but then she heard about the Karmatar mission 00:22:27.18\00:22:29.74 that needed people, needed some help there, 00:22:29.78\00:22:32.88 so she went to the Karmatar to work as a nurse, bookkeeper, 00:22:32.91\00:22:38.49 taught classes and did a lot of medical work 00:22:38.52\00:22:42.76 with the village people. 00:22:42.79\00:22:44.69 She loved working with the lower income people 00:22:44.73\00:22:48.80 and so she preferred working with the village people. 00:22:48.83\00:22:52.23 And so she did a lot of work 00:22:52.27\00:22:56.27 with the local people, traveling back and forth 00:22:56.30\00:23:00.58 from North and South India always on the train 00:23:00.61\00:23:04.25 and selling books, magazine, and just teaching the people. 00:23:04.28\00:23:09.85 In the book, you have some great pictures 00:23:09.88\00:23:12.05 of Anna and her family, 00:23:12.09\00:23:14.09 let's take a look at some of them. 00:23:14.16\00:23:15.79 I think the first one that we have is Newt, 00:23:15.82\00:23:19.13 tell us about that picture. 00:23:19.16\00:23:22.40 That's a picture of her father Newt Knight, 00:23:22.43\00:23:25.03 and he also was, they call him Captain Newt Knight 00:23:25.07\00:23:28.90 because he formed his own army during the Civil War, 00:23:28.94\00:23:31.51 but that was her father. 00:23:31.54\00:23:32.87 Wow. And now we have her mom. 00:23:32.91\00:23:35.34 Her mother is Georgeanne, 00:23:35.38\00:23:37.81 and she was Anna's mother 00:23:37.85\00:23:41.32 and they had four children together. 00:23:41.35\00:23:46.19 Four children. Together. Wow. 00:23:46.22\00:23:47.86 The next one we have is Anna as a young girl. 00:23:47.89\00:23:51.16 How old was she in this picture? 00:23:51.19\00:23:52.53 She was about 17 years old. 00:23:52.56\00:23:55.10 That was the first time she was leaving home 00:23:55.13\00:23:56.83 when she had their picture taken. 00:23:56.90\00:23:59.63 Oh, so she had it taken just before she left? 00:23:59.67\00:24:02.14 Yes. 00:24:02.17\00:24:03.51 And we have another picture of her. 00:24:03.54\00:24:06.14 And that's when she graduated 00:24:06.17\00:24:07.58 from Battle Creek Sanitarium in 1898 00:24:07.61\00:24:11.61 as a missionary nurse. 00:24:11.65\00:24:14.02 A missionary nurse. Yeah. 00:24:14.05\00:24:15.42 Look how lovely she looked. Yes. 00:24:15.45\00:24:18.62 And then I think we have one more, 00:24:18.65\00:24:20.19 the couple that was good her. 00:24:20.26\00:24:22.96 That was Elder and Mrs. Dyo Chambers, 00:24:22.99\00:24:25.83 and they were the ones 00:24:25.86\00:24:27.20 who helped her to get her education 00:24:27.23\00:24:29.56 and the ones that were sort of 00:24:29.60\00:24:30.93 like a surrogate parent for her. 00:24:30.97\00:24:32.97 Wow. 00:24:33.00\00:24:34.34 And then the last one is a more... 00:24:34.37\00:24:36.87 Well, it's not current, 00:24:36.91\00:24:38.24 but this was in her later years. 00:24:38.27\00:24:40.84 What was this, the center? 00:24:40.88\00:24:43.61 This is the Anna Knight Center for Women's Leadership 00:24:43.65\00:24:47.75 established at Oakwood University, 00:24:47.78\00:24:49.92 it was dedicated last March, very, very proud of that. 00:24:49.95\00:24:54.69 Our family gifted all of the information 00:24:54.72\00:24:57.49 regarding Anna Knight to the university. 00:24:57.53\00:25:00.96 And this is going to be a center 00:25:00.96\00:25:02.63 where young women could come and train to be leaders. 00:25:02.66\00:25:06.53 We want them to take a role as leaders in their communities 00:25:06.57\00:25:12.51 and in their church in order to be change agents. 00:25:12.54\00:25:16.21 So that's what the center is about. 00:25:16.24\00:25:18.85 They'll be able to come there and study her life what she led 00:25:18.88\00:25:22.48 and any other women that have done great things, 00:25:22.52\00:25:26.59 information is in that center. 00:25:26.62\00:25:29.16 So we're very, very proud of that, 00:25:29.19\00:25:31.16 we did a lot of hard work and got that through, 00:25:31.19\00:25:34.46 and it's a beautiful, beautiful center. 00:25:34.46\00:25:37.13 And when you see go there 00:25:37.17\00:25:38.50 and you see her coming out of the door, 00:25:38.53\00:25:40.14 you have to take a step back 00:25:40.20\00:25:41.54 because it looks like 00:25:41.57\00:25:42.90 she just walking straight toward you. 00:25:42.94\00:25:46.11 It is kind of 3D. 00:25:46.14\00:25:47.54 It's beautiful, yes, 00:25:47.58\00:25:48.91 it's located in the Dykes Library 00:25:48.94\00:25:52.78 in the bottom floor 00:25:52.81\00:25:54.18 across from Ellen G. White Estate, 00:25:54.22\00:25:57.55 so we are very, very proud of that. 00:25:57.59\00:25:59.72 Very nice, very nice. 00:25:59.75\00:26:02.56 What do you think 00:26:02.59\00:26:04.36 would be her burden for young women now? 00:26:04.39\00:26:09.06 I think her burden would be that women have to, 00:26:09.10\00:26:15.44 don't take no for an answer, you know, 00:26:15.47\00:26:18.34 even though a lot of obstacles could be put in your way, 00:26:18.37\00:26:21.58 you must learn how to get over them 00:26:21.61\00:26:24.15 and she started everything with nothing, 00:26:24.18\00:26:27.02 and they can do the same thing is to start with nothing 00:26:27.05\00:26:30.89 and make something really, really great 00:26:30.92\00:26:34.16 because she was a little green girl from Mississippi 00:26:34.19\00:26:36.49 who turned out to be 00:26:36.52\00:26:38.36 the marvelous woman that she was. 00:26:38.39\00:26:40.50 Yes. When does she live and die? 00:26:40.53\00:26:43.97 She lived, she retired at Oakwood College then, 00:26:44.03\00:26:48.14 and she died in 1972, at the age of 98. 00:26:48.17\00:26:53.98 Ninety-eight, when was she born, do you know? 00:26:54.04\00:26:56.31 She was born in March 4th, 1874. 00:26:56.34\00:27:00.05 1874. Yup. 00:27:00.08\00:27:02.98 She saw a lot. 00:27:03.02\00:27:04.35 She saw a lot 00:27:04.39\00:27:05.82 and she's buried in 00:27:05.85\00:27:07.19 Newt Knight Cemetery in Mississippi, 00:27:07.22\00:27:09.52 and she was the last person to be buried in that cemetery. 00:27:09.56\00:27:13.09 Did she ever marry or have children? 00:27:13.13\00:27:15.20 Never married, never had children. 00:27:15.23\00:27:17.63 Her thing was that all the children 00:27:17.67\00:27:20.44 that she taught or helped to educate, 00:27:20.47\00:27:24.11 those were her children, you know, that was her, 00:27:24.14\00:27:27.28 she just wanted to make sure that every child 00:27:27.31\00:27:29.41 that wanted education could get one, 00:27:29.44\00:27:32.25 and that's what she dedicated her life to, 00:27:32.28\00:27:34.32 training teachers to teach 00:27:34.35\00:27:36.92 and to making sure the children 00:27:36.99\00:27:38.79 had all their physical examinations, 00:27:38.82\00:27:40.86 and then she prepared the curriculum for the teachers 00:27:40.89\00:27:43.63 and made sure that everyone got an education. 00:27:43.66\00:27:45.73 Wow. 00:27:45.76\00:27:47.10 You know, when I went to Oakwood, 00:27:47.13\00:27:49.16 I went there in my childhood, 00:27:49.20\00:27:51.67 Anna went there partially for college, 00:27:51.70\00:27:54.30 and as a child, 00:27:54.34\00:27:55.67 I went to the Anna Knight Elementary School. 00:27:55.70\00:27:57.07 That's right. 00:27:57.11\00:27:58.44 So they even named the school after her? 00:27:58.47\00:28:00.61 That is correct. 00:28:00.64\00:28:01.98 And which is now Anna Knight Hall, 00:28:02.01\00:28:03.78 which is the education building on the campus. 00:28:03.81\00:28:06.65 Wow. 00:28:06.68\00:28:08.02 Well, thank you so much for being with us. 00:28:08.05\00:28:09.38 You're welcome. 00:28:09.42\00:28:10.75 This was such an interesting journey that she had 00:28:10.82\00:28:13.82 and interesting interview with you 00:28:13.89\00:28:15.69 as you share her life with us, thank you so much. 00:28:15.72\00:28:19.49 Thank you. 00:28:19.53\00:28:20.86 Ecclesiastes 9:10 00:28:20.93\00:28:22.53 in the New King James Version says, 00:28:22.56\00:28:24.60 "Whatever your hand finds to do, 00:28:24.63\00:28:27.14 do it with your might for there is no work 00:28:27.17\00:28:30.04 or device or knowledge or wisdom in the grave 00:28:30.11\00:28:32.71 where you are going." 00:28:32.74\00:28:34.31 Anna Knight did her very best 00:28:34.34\00:28:36.88 and therefore, she inspired us to do likewise. 00:28:36.95\00:28:41.15 You too can be a leader. 00:28:41.18\00:28:44.02 God's got a plan for you, 00:28:44.09\00:28:46.19 just ask Him what His plan is and go for it. 00:28:46.22\00:28:50.33 Well, I can't believe our time is up. 00:28:50.36\00:28:52.66 Thank you so much for joining us. 00:28:52.69\00:28:54.73 Join us next time 'cause you know what? 00:28:54.76\00:28:56.93 It just wouldn't be the same without you. 00:28:56.97\00:28:59.83