How does one take
Jesus into the workplace?
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Where can a
Christian find the tools
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to know how to win at work?
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Well, stay tuned to meet a man
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who can teach you
all this and more.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is Eric Kelly
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and I had the
privilege of sitting on the set
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with Eric on the
Working the Dream set,
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which is one of
the Dare to Dream's
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newest programs.
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You are gonna love it.
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Take a look at
this little interview.
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I am so excited
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because I'm sitting on
the set of Dare to Dream's
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new God in the
Workplace program,
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it's called "Working the Dream,"
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and the host of that
program is Eric Kelly
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and he is with me right now.
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Thank you, glad to be here.
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Eric, Working the Dream is...
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to me it is one
of the best programs
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that we have on Dare to Dream,
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I can't wait for
our viewers to see it.
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Awesome.
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Because it's got all of
these different elements in it
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and it's got comedy,
it's got reality, you know,
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we look at different
things and we'll talk about
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what we're
looking at on the program.
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But it's got all these
different elements in it.
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Letting our viewers know that
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we are not to
compartmentalize God.
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That God is to go
with us into the workplace.
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Absolutely.
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'Cause He is with us at
church, right? And school.
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But not in the work place.
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How did this program come to be?
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I know that I
brought you an idea about us
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doing a program,
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but how did this program
with the scripts and all that.
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How did it come to be?
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A couple of things happened.
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I have a personal passion
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and most of this
is out of my pain.
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I've a personal passion
for sharing with people,
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"How do you survive at work?"
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And having figured it
out, you can't do without God.
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True.
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Later on after you get beat up
you say, "Okay, and I'm ready."
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That's right.
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Started to kind of
put some ideas together.
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There's a young
gentleman in our church
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named Brian
Montgomery, he's a playwright.
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We bounce ideas
off of each other.
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In fact, I like hanging
with the younger people.
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Okay.
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No offence to those of us
that have been around since
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Eisenhower.
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Hey, watch it.
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But I love the
energy and creativity.
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In fact, if you ever
want to see a team work,
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get the experience of
the folks who had been here
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with some of the
creative know-how technology
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of the younger folks.
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Man, if we really
put that together,
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do you know what kind of
ministries that we can have,
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and the people that
we can actually touch.
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So we begin to
work on something's
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and most of the stories
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come out of a kind
of a personal pain.
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I'm the son of a pastor. I
was raised very, very well.
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Went to a good
Christian college,
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I was taught all
the right things.
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But I didn't have the
spiritual connection here,
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but I went to church.
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Hmm.
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I was a good kid
so I go to church.
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That's a good
contrast, you know...
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Yes.
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Because you can go to church
and you could just, you know,
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you go in devil and you
come out a devil, right?
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Absolutely.
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Oh, in fact, you know,
people give going to church
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a bit more credit than it should
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and as well kind
of a corny saying
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I used sometimes that,
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"Sitting in a
church doesn't make you
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any more of a Christian
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than sitting in the garage
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makes you a Lamborghini."
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Hmm.
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Because this is not the place,
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it's what you
doing in the place.
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Now I still go to the church.
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There's
nothing's wrong with that.
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Why? Nobody is
saying don't go to church.
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No, no, I still go to church,
but there's a realness there.
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Now when I go, I
hang out with other people
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who are kind of real
about the spirituality.
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We don't always
agree on everything.
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But we do
believe in Jesus Christ.
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Believe in God almighty.
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And that brings us together
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and from now on
we're brothers and sisters
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and it is great.
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But prior to that happening,
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I'm just kind of
out here on my own.
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How did you go from being a PK
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and PKs are in
church every Sabbath?
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You know, you
went from being a PK
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to going out to coming back
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and saying, you know,
now it's a different...
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Now it's God. Yeah.
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I think what happens often
when you're in church so much,
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you get desensitized to
what's really going on there.
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You learn some of
the organizational woes.
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And trust me, whether
you're at church or at business,
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any operation that
has more than two people
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is a hopeless bureaucracy,
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so if you hang out
wherever you gonna get,
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you know, some of the negatives.
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Actually, I went to work
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and I was blessed to
have educated parents
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and so I figured
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I could pretty much
figure out anything.
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And I went to work
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and all these people
were there and I said,
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"I'm smarter than
this one, that one.
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Oh, I'm gonna be the president
of this thing in a week.
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I don't know, they need
to get my office ready."
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I'm just hired in now.
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Right, right.
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Kid is 20, he's
trying to figure things out.
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And there's a set
of unwritten rules
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that they don't train you about.
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Nobody tells you about
these things in school.
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Such as?
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Don't drive the car
better than your bosses,
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if your boss has any ego issues.
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Now let me draw the scenario.
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You are young
kid, you're coming in,
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you got extra
cash, first of all,
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you don't have any
kids, you're not married,
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you just, it's just
you, your apartment,
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you have extra
spendable cash to blow.
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So you get this
sports car, boss comes in,
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he's wearing his
twisted serious looker suit.
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He's already got five kids,
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his check is
stretched to the max,
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he got his Station
Amager with rust rolling on it.
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And you pull up
in your sports car.
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Oh, that's not gonna work.
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That day I had a bad day.
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Now nobody
writes that down. Right.
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But there are smart
people watching this.
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They go, "Well,
we know that." Right.
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So there are subtle things there
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than I do executive
coaching now, I'm mentoring.
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There are subtle things there
that you don't know going in.
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And you think
because you're smart
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and you went to
school, that you have a...
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you have no clue
what's about to happen.
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So when you got
to your first job,
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what was your
spiritual condition then?
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Oh, I was so sad.
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I went and got a cute
little sports car, I'm single,
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they're
gorgeous women everywhere
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I said, "God has been good."
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I knew I was
blessed, I had a job, a car
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and oh, we're
about to have a good time
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and what happens
is my belief is that
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Satan lets you be
okay for a little bit,
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where you think this is
how life is going to be.
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This is great. Yeah.
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I had no spiritual connection.
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I did not wake up in the morning
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being connected,
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but I could still go to
church and play the part.
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Oh, so you were
still going to church?
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I was still going to church.
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But you kind of
lost your connection.
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Oh, absolutely.
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There's a couple of
pieces that I've seen
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people talk about
being lost in the church.
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Oh, yes.
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Going to church,
it's not the building,
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it's what's my condition
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when I'm coming
into the building,
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so I went to church and
I can do the church talk,
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how are you, my sister?
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Isn't God good?
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Happy Sabbath.
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I'm thinking about the
next party I'm going to go...
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In fact, as
soon as I leave here,
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I'm about to go get
in some foolishness,
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so I wasn't really...
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no, I wasn't convicted
at all to get closer to God,
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I just played the game.
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What happened?
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I went to work and
one of the first things
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that I ran into was a sense of
things aren't going to be fair.
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So I walked in now trust
me, I did some dumb things,
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believe it or
not, I had an afro,
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I had an afro the
size of this room.
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And I've never been
a tiny, tiny person,
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so the biggest afro,
big guy coming in football.
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I went into a
very conservative room,
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very conservative
company, had a jumpsuit
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and I had my little medallion
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with the little
black fist right there,
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and I'm pretty sure
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I scared the mess out
of everybody in that room.
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And if they had
known me they would say,
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oh, this guy is the cream puff.
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But I mean what they saw
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was a six foot plus
big guy with a giant afro.
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What do you do?
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And when people
respond out of fear,
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they do some
pretty, pretty wild things.
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I wasn't mean, I was always
looking for fun and the party,
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but I got lost and as I
decided I am going to move up,
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and I saw what
it took to move up,
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I started imitating
those people and I said,
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"I'm better than
this one, I'm smarter."
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And what I didn't
but I wasn't ready for
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is there is an
invisible pecking order
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in most organizations.
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Okay, unpack that
a little bit? Okay.
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There are seven people
in this room you walk in,
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if we're competing for something
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regardless as to
your skill and ability,
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these people have
time in line ahead of you.
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So you may look at them and say,
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"I'm better than them."
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And you may be,
but that's irrelevant
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because they're
going to be rewarded
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based on that pecking order,
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and that's not
just pure ability,
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it's also their
time in the relationship
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with the people that
are making the decisions.
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And none of that's in school,
nobody ever tells you that.
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You see this is another
one of those unwritten rules.
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Absolutely. Absolutely.
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And I was I was
pretty much done.
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Then I ran into some just
basic blatant unfair things
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that were said and done
to me based on how I looked.
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Well, I'm not going to be able
to change the color of my skin,
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I can cut my afro down
and scare you a little less,
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but I am who I am.
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And instead of responding
by going to the father,
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I went sideways, I said,
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"Man, I gotta find some
relief out of this thing."
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So I got into a
little substances
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that made you feel
better on your way home.
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Okay.
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And I said, "Oh,
heck with those people."
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And that's a slow gradual slide
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toward away from anything
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that is closely
resembling going to God.
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I went to my
stash to feel better
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rather than, "God, please
make my heart feel better.
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Please give me peace while
I'm being persecuted, please..."
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I didn't do any of
that, I went my own way.
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And that's why I
went down for a while.
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Satan doesn't
destroy you instantly.
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He takes his time.
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That's so true, he's
a torturer, you know,
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he wants to do it
overtime and it's kind of like
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the frog this in the
boiling water, right?
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That frog story, you know,
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he just turn this ire gradually,
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the fire up gradually,
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and the frog
don't even realize it
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before you know he's boiled
and that's what Satan does.
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Satan does.
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He takes his time and
destroys, that's his job,
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his job is to destroy.
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Absolutely, but
he can only get you
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if you've let go of God's hand.
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That's right. He
cannot take you out.
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That's right. So I
hit rock bottom and...
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Did the
substances take hold of you?
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Oh, I was
absolutely, absolutely,
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it's demonic and with
them there's you lose hope,
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you lose any belief
that it can get better
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and you also lose your belief
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in the fact that
God can help you.
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And that's all Satan
wants is your faith...
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That's right. That
God can actually help you.
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So a turning point was, I
remember I was in a situation
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where I was getting help
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and I was at the bottom of life.
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I have so destroyed my
life and I called my pop,
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who I loved dearly.
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I said, Dad, I told
him exactly where I was
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and it's
interesting, I didn't understand
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what condemnation meant
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and there is no
condemnation in those
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that are
trusting in God to save,
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and I didn't
know what that meant,
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then I was out there.
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So I called Pop, I said,
"Dad, here's where I'm at."
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I told him the absolute
everything that was going on.
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You know, the first
thing he said back to me
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blew me away he
said, "I love you."
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Here's the
pastor he could've said,
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"We trained you
better than that, young man."
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He said, "I love you,"
and he said, "God loves you."
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And the third thing I
didn't get two years later
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he said, "Oh, you're no
worse than anybody else."
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I said, "I'm striving out,
I'm no worse than anybody else
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based on what I'm looking at."
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But I didn't understand that
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everybody is faced
with the condition of sin.
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That's right.
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And some of our
addictions are out front.
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That's right.
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You know, lot of
my good holy people
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their addictions are...
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they've hidden it a little
bit better than my perhaps.
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Little covet.
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Absolutely.
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And it was after that I
wanted to come back, I said,
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"I don't know who
God is yet really,
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but I want to
know who his God is."
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And that was the
beginning of the comeback.
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Wow! So your dad just loved
you, he just loved you back.
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Through everything. Yes, yes.
00:13:07.08\00:13:09.52
No condemnation ever, in
fact, if you ever talked to him.
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I love your dad. No matter what.
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We need to let you
know who his dad is,
00:13:13.66\00:13:16.16
it's T. Marshall
Kelly, the amazing singer,
00:13:16.19\00:13:19.36
speaker and the
amazing man of God.
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I mean, you can just sense
00:13:22.16\00:13:24.43
that he has such a relationship.
00:13:24.47\00:13:27.07
Real, it's not fake, it's not...
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he just seems
so I love your dad.
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So authentic.
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I'm his kid, I've been
with him for all those years,
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never once yelled,
00:13:36.41\00:13:37.98
never once said a
bad word, never ever.
00:13:38.01\00:13:40.72
A couple times I was
glad he left the room
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where he didn't kill me,
00:13:42.75\00:13:44.52
but I'm still here,
thank you Jesus, thanks dad.
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Yes, yes, amen.
00:13:47.49\00:13:48.96
But it's so interesting that
you went from spiraling down
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to coming to your senses
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and then look where
God has brought you today.
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I will tell you.
00:14:00.47\00:14:01.80
My career came up, it came up
after that and it would plateau
00:14:01.84\00:14:05.74
and then jump up and
plateau and then jump up.
00:14:05.77\00:14:09.28
Eventually, I
became vice president
00:14:09.31\00:14:11.88
of a multimillion
dollar corporation.
00:14:11.91\00:14:15.22
Most of the time I'm director,
senior director, you know,
00:14:15.25\00:14:19.12
junior vice president
and God has just blessed.
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I mean there are times I would
sit in an office and wonder,
00:14:21.86\00:14:24.33
how did I get here?
00:14:24.36\00:14:27.06
But since I know how I
got there, it wasn't me.
00:14:27.10\00:14:31.07
So I can't use the word I,
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I would say He
put me in this room.
00:14:33.23\00:14:34.64
Yes.
00:14:34.67\00:14:36.00
So that I can
bless somebody else.
00:14:36.04\00:14:37.37
Yes.
00:14:37.41\00:14:38.74
And there had
been so many lessons
00:14:38.77\00:14:40.11
that have
happened even since then,
00:14:40.14\00:14:42.11
that I realize everyday
it's gonna be a new adventure,
00:14:42.14\00:14:44.98
I don't know
what's going to happen,
00:14:45.01\00:14:46.35
but at the end of
it I absolutely know
00:14:46.38\00:14:48.65
God is going to take care of me.
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That's
tremendous, that's tremendous.
00:14:50.49\00:14:52.62
Why do you think
we need a program
00:14:52.65\00:14:54.66
like Working the Dream?
00:14:54.69\00:14:56.76
People go to work and
if there's ever a time
00:14:56.79\00:15:00.26
or a point where sometimes
I think we're increasingly,
00:15:00.30\00:15:04.90
becoming increasingly
vulnerable, it's at work.
00:15:04.93\00:15:07.37
Right now in our
society, work is everything.
00:15:07.40\00:15:12.41
People give up family duties
to take care of their work.
00:15:12.44\00:15:16.38
They find a way to rationalize
not having relationships
00:15:16.41\00:15:20.42
with their loved ones
in their life due to work.
00:15:20.45\00:15:22.65
But I've got to go to
work, I've got to make money.
00:15:22.68\00:15:24.79
We're all out there
spending more, buying more,
00:15:24.82\00:15:28.29
we're so driven by
consumerism and materialism
00:15:28.32\00:15:31.43
that work seems
to be the only place
00:15:31.46\00:15:34.36
that we can
justify our existence,
00:15:34.40\00:15:37.50
why we do what we do,
00:15:37.53\00:15:38.97
and I think Satan
just capitalized on that.
00:15:39.00\00:15:41.94
So if you're coming to work,
00:15:41.97\00:15:43.30
he knows all the
problems you have,
00:15:43.34\00:15:44.67
he sends me who is full
of dark side to wait on you,
00:15:44.71\00:15:48.78
and you come in and
say, "Good morning."
00:15:48.81\00:15:50.35
And he goes, "Boy, I think
00:15:50.38\00:15:51.71
I can get here
through this guy today."
00:15:51.75\00:15:54.18
And I work your last
nerve and then you lose faith.
00:15:54.22\00:15:59.15
And that's all he
wanted in the first place
00:15:59.19\00:16:00.56
was your faith.
00:16:00.59\00:16:01.92
Mission
accomplished. Absolutely.
00:16:01.96\00:16:03.29
Wow. So
co-workers they design...
00:16:03.32\00:16:04.73
the ones that
are under his power,
00:16:04.76\00:16:06.33
they're designed
to take your faith.
00:16:06.36\00:16:09.66
That's really deep.
00:16:09.70\00:16:11.03
Now that is really deep,
00:16:11.07\00:16:12.60
just like there are
people in every congregation
00:16:12.63\00:16:15.10
that can work you nerves.
00:16:15.14\00:16:16.87
Yes.
00:16:16.91\00:16:18.24
There are
people at the workplace
00:16:18.27\00:16:20.38
that can work in us.
00:16:20.41\00:16:21.74
Satan's got his
people everywhere,
00:16:21.78\00:16:23.11
but God's got people too.
00:16:23.14\00:16:24.51
That's right.
00:16:24.55\00:16:25.88
I've been blessed to
work under some tremendous
00:16:25.91\00:16:27.25
Christian executives.
00:16:27.28\00:16:28.62
So somebody wants to paint
all the excerpts with a brush,
00:16:28.65\00:16:31.15
not even.
00:16:31.19\00:16:32.82
I worked for CEO's,
they were so Christian.
00:16:32.85\00:16:34.69
I'm not saying just, you know,
00:16:34.72\00:16:36.46
we go to church
the only thing wrong,
00:16:36.49\00:16:37.83
I mean Christian
men, men of compassion,
00:16:37.86\00:16:39.69
men that lead,
00:16:39.73\00:16:41.76
men that if there's a layoff
they feel it in their spirit,
00:16:41.80\00:16:44.63
in other words they don't...
00:16:44.67\00:16:46.30
they're not callous about it
00:16:46.33\00:16:47.67
and I've been very blessed
to work with some of those
00:16:47.70\00:16:49.27
and I've had a couple
of the other side too.
00:16:49.30\00:16:51.61
I know...
00:16:51.64\00:16:53.48
and you reflect that
in the program, you know,
00:16:53.51\00:16:56.98
we have a little
clip from the program
00:16:57.01\00:17:00.75
that we want to show.
00:17:00.78\00:17:04.12
On Working the Dream, it's...
00:17:04.15\00:17:05.79
we want to give you some
funny, some funny experiences
00:17:05.82\00:17:10.23
but yet we want to
give you information,
00:17:10.26\00:17:13.63
and that's what
you're gonna get,
00:17:13.66\00:17:15.70
take a look at this clip.
00:17:15.73\00:17:17.73
Has my 4 o'clock arrived yet?
00:17:20.77\00:17:25.04
All ready.
00:17:25.07\00:17:26.41
Oh, they told
me to come in here,
00:17:26.44\00:17:27.78
you must be the Mr. Martin,
they've been telling me about,
00:17:27.81\00:17:29.48
man, oh man, this
looks like a good day for me.
00:17:29.51\00:17:33.21
Jonas, Jonas
Martin and you are...?
00:17:33.25\00:17:35.98
Grant, but
everybody call me G stacks,
00:17:36.02\00:17:38.72
you can call me
whatever you want, man,
00:17:38.75\00:17:40.09
'cause you're
the man with the job
00:17:40.12\00:17:41.46
that's gonna make me
happy, I feel good today.
00:17:41.49\00:17:44.26
Yeah, my brother.
00:17:44.29\00:17:46.13
Tell me a little about yourself?
00:17:46.16\00:17:47.50
Man, okay, I tell you what,
I'm the slam dunk champion,
00:17:47.53\00:17:49.30
the chess champion,
the checker champion,
00:17:49.33\00:17:51.13
I moved to
protestant neighborhood,
00:17:51.17\00:17:52.50
I got the highest
score on Call of Duty,
00:17:52.53\00:17:54.07
what else you want
to know, my brother?
00:17:54.10\00:17:55.54
All right, let's get that.
00:17:55.57\00:17:58.04
Why did you
apply for the position
00:17:58.07\00:18:00.18
that we have here today?
00:18:00.21\00:18:01.54
Why? Why?
00:18:01.58\00:18:02.91
Look I need some money,
the G notes, the C notes,
00:18:02.94\00:18:05.98
I need the paycheck
that's why I'm here, brother.
00:18:06.01\00:18:08.22
I've got pockets
but ain't nothing in it.
00:18:08.25\00:18:11.55
Couple of things, I'm looking
at your resume and by the way,
00:18:11.59\00:18:16.76
could you remove
those sunglasses, please?
00:18:16.79\00:18:18.63
Oh, man my bad, my bad.
00:18:18.66\00:18:20.00
Man, it was sunny outside today.
00:18:20.03\00:18:22.33
Man, the doctor told me
I got to protect these eyes
00:18:22.36\00:18:25.63
is what I'm saying, so I
had to wear these things,
00:18:25.67\00:18:28.07
but I think they'll stay on
my head, don't worry about it,
00:18:28.10\00:18:29.84
I got it together.
00:18:29.87\00:18:31.21
By the way, on your
way over to the interview,
00:18:31.24\00:18:32.91
you didn't run into any traffic
jams or anything, did you?
00:18:32.94\00:18:35.04
I got to apologize, but you see,
00:18:35.08\00:18:36.64
I set my clock for 3.
00:18:36.68\00:18:38.65
Well, what
happened when I woke up,
00:18:38.68\00:18:40.48
I found out the battery,
00:18:40.52\00:18:42.08
the batteries are
dumped in and the dog,
00:18:42.12\00:18:44.25
where the cat chased
the dog, took down a long,
00:18:44.29\00:18:46.49
plug down the hall that
was tied to his collar, collar,
00:18:46.52\00:18:49.36
you know, and the neighbor was
supposed to be my backup alarm,
00:18:49.39\00:18:51.69
but they fell asleep too.
00:18:51.73\00:18:53.06
All right, all right.
00:18:53.09\00:18:54.43
We just had to get
through this interview.
00:18:54.46\00:18:57.77
Now the position
that we were talking about
00:18:57.80\00:19:01.60
is that of a junior analyst.
00:19:01.64\00:19:04.44
And actually your work
experience is not too bad,
00:19:04.47\00:19:09.91
it's pretty good.
00:19:09.94\00:19:11.28
You got four
colleges, six different majors.
00:19:11.31\00:19:15.92
Just a hint, Mr. Grant,
when you're applying for a job,
00:19:15.95\00:19:19.12
you don't need to list
every college you went to
00:19:19.15\00:19:21.56
and everything you studied,
00:19:21.59\00:19:22.92
just the last
college you attended
00:19:22.96\00:19:24.89
and the last course of
study that you graduated from.
00:19:24.93\00:19:28.73
See the bottom line was, see,
I didn't know which position
00:19:28.76\00:19:31.20
was gonna give me the
most money, no, you know,
00:19:31.23\00:19:32.97
bang for the buck,
00:19:33.00\00:19:34.34
so I just had
studied the whole thing,
00:19:34.37\00:19:35.97
be well rounded,
that's why I came,
00:19:36.00\00:19:37.71
I got it all the degrees.
00:19:37.74\00:19:40.11
Now I see also that
you, you studied theology.
00:19:40.14\00:19:45.91
Now pastors as a rule
don't make a lot of money
00:19:45.95\00:19:48.95
what was your,
what was your thinking?
00:19:48.98\00:19:50.39
First of all, I don't
live like a pastor do,
00:19:50.42\00:19:52.29
but man, you watch TV, man?
00:19:52.32\00:19:54.16
Them pastors be making
some big dollar bills, yo.
00:19:54.19\00:19:57.83
Selling snake
oil, prayer cloths,
00:19:57.86\00:20:01.13
splinters from the tree
of life and all that stuff.
00:20:01.16\00:20:03.63
So if I can't make
it in the real world,
00:20:03.67\00:20:05.17
I'm gonna make some
money as the pastor,
00:20:05.20\00:20:06.53
that's what I'm trying to say.
00:20:06.57\00:20:07.90
I understand, I understand.
Don't you worry about it.
00:20:07.94\00:20:10.54
What makes you
think you're a good fit
00:20:10.57\00:20:12.17
for this particular position?
00:20:12.21\00:20:13.61
Man, I got the experience,
I've got the education,
00:20:13.64\00:20:16.38
plus I bring some
swagger, you know,
00:20:16.41\00:20:18.81
nobody in this company so
far that I've seen got swagger
00:20:18.85\00:20:21.52
and this company
need some swagger,
00:20:21.55\00:20:23.55
that's what G
stack bring to the table.
00:20:23.59\00:20:26.52
Sadly, there's no
particular position
00:20:26.55\00:20:28.89
that requires swagger.
00:20:28.92\00:20:32.59
So it's going to be
a little tough for us
00:20:32.63\00:20:34.56
to kind of place you,
00:20:34.60\00:20:36.43
because your skill set is
a little, a little different.
00:20:36.46\00:20:39.63
Yo, man, how long
it's going take, man.
00:20:39.67\00:20:41.80
I got seven, eight and a half
minutes you've been talking,
00:20:41.84\00:20:45.51
trying to fit me in,
00:20:45.54\00:20:46.88
but I parked in a
ten-minute parking slot, man,
00:20:46.91\00:20:49.21
and in a minute and a
half, I'm gonna tell her.
00:20:49.24\00:20:50.75
How's it going to take, man?
00:20:50.78\00:20:52.11
Well, actually our interview
is really quite finished,
00:20:52.15\00:20:54.25
we're pretty much done here
00:20:54.28\00:20:56.25
and I want to
thank you for coming in.
00:20:56.28\00:20:58.65
Okay, now why don't we...
00:20:58.69\00:21:00.02
I got 30 seconds more,
while I'm leaving though
00:21:00.06\00:21:01.56
don't forget this man,
00:21:01.59\00:21:02.99
I got a G stack
got what you need,
00:21:03.02\00:21:05.63
what this company need
00:21:05.66\00:21:07.03
and the best
decision you can make,
00:21:07.06\00:21:08.60
sorry about the glasses,
is to fit me into this office,
00:21:08.63\00:21:11.33
you know what I'm saying,
you gonna need what I got
00:21:11.37\00:21:13.17
and you got what I need.
00:21:13.20\00:21:14.54
I'm out, my brother,
00:21:14.57\00:21:15.90
don't forget me,
don't forget me, call me.
00:21:15.94\00:21:17.84
You know, those
scenes are really,
00:21:22.48\00:21:25.58
I mean to me they are so
funny, Pastor John Lomacang,
00:21:25.61\00:21:29.98
Pastor CA Murray, they
opted to be in the program
00:21:30.02\00:21:33.76
and they were
just and John Ramirez,
00:21:33.79\00:21:36.19
they were just really good,
00:21:36.22\00:21:37.99
but what we show you is
how not to do certain things,
00:21:38.03\00:21:41.43
how not to interview
00:21:41.46\00:21:43.10
and also the
correct way to interview,
00:21:43.13\00:21:44.93
so while it's entertaining,
it's also informative.
00:21:44.97\00:21:48.37
Absolutely.
00:21:48.40\00:21:49.74
And that's what you
wanted to accomplish, is it not?
00:21:49.77\00:21:51.57
I wanted people to enjoy it,
00:21:51.61\00:21:53.07
but I wanted them
to have information
00:21:53.11\00:21:54.91
because of having
worked with HR departments
00:21:54.94\00:21:58.05
and people that are
making the decisions on jobs.
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I have seen so many things,
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I've seen why
resumes get rejected.
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I've seen why people
lose it in their interviews.
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For instance, people that send
a three or four page resume,
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you might as well
put it in the trash.
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Really?
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They're never gonna read it.
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It's just too much. Too long.
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How long should it be?
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A page.
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Page and a half
at best, so if...
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let's say you do walk on water
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and let's say you can
fly without your cape,
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just put down the
highlights and keep it short,
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because it's too
long and the people in HR
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that are going
through hundreds of resumes,
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a five pager is just,
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ah, it's too much,
they throw it in the trash.
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Right.
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It's overwhelming, if
you have a stack of papers
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the last thing you want to
do is just sit there and read.
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Absolutely.
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So you want to just
kind of go through it.
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That's exactly I
want to come through it.
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You had an interesting
experience in your life
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that really kind of brought you
to your senses, what happened?
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A couple of things happened
and I've shared with you that
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the career would go up and
then plateau, go up and plateau,
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so I am very comfortable
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that God is growing
me and developing me.
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And I don't know the
answer yet and I don't care.
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You know, one day I get
to heaven as tree of life,
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I'm good with that. Yes.
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I'm good, but a
couple of things happened
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and I think I shared with you.
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Our companies merged
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and when you're on
a merger situation,
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you only need
half the people there.
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So I was without, so
there I was without a job
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and I put some money
away, so I wasn't terribly upset
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and I said, "Okay, God
is always taking care of me,
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my entire life and I'm good."
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And a couple of months went by,
I said, "Okay, God, you know,
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we need some going."
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Couple of more months went by.
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So after about
six or eight months,
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God and I started have
some big conversations,
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I said, "God, I need
you to come through for me."
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Now let me give you my
personality a little bit.
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Where I grew up in the city,
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one of the
favorite phrases I had was,
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I don't care what you did to me,
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I ain't no punk,
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you can beat me
down, if you beat me up,
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I want to try to
get off the ground
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to find a brick or something,
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if you're bigger
than me, you're stronger.
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So I would always say,
you know, I ain't no punk,
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whenever I can take
it, I can do anything.
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So fear is not a
motivator for me,
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it doesn't really
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and I remember
kind of saying that
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over and over
again and then one day,
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I was totally broken down,
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it was about nine to
ten months without a job.
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And I don't care how
much of money you've saved up,
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it gets a little
scary right about then.
00:24:31.13\00:24:34.14
So I remember I curled
up on my family room rug.
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And somewhere this God
impressed told my spirit,
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I can almost hear God
say, "So are you a punk?"
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And I heard myself say, "Yes".
00:24:45.68\00:24:50.69
And I think what
he was doing was look,
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you've been running around
thinking that you're strong.
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There's nothing has
happened to you in your life
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because of your strength.
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Now here's the
kicker on that one.
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Within two weeks
of that happening
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I was
consulting on a big project
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in Stavanger, Norway.
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God went from here
to here in seconds.
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You just needed
to be broken first
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and to understand your source.
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People don't like this
00:25:25.15\00:25:26.52
and this might make this
segment a little bit unpopular.
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God can only help broken people.
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He said that, "Blessed are..."
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Because when you
have any sense of self,
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any sense of I,
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He can't, He
can't work through you.
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That's right.
00:25:46.24\00:25:47.58
And that's
dangerous for us at work.
00:25:47.61\00:25:49.71
Yes, it's dangerous everywhere.
00:25:49.74\00:25:52.91
I mean really, when
it becomes about us...
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Absolutely
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Then I think the Lord just
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kind of steps back
and says, "Okay..."
00:25:58.75\00:26:00.09
"Let me see what happened."
"Let me see what you got?"
00:26:00.12\00:26:04.56
And we always come back to...
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yeah, because Satan
is trying to destroy us
00:26:06.53\00:26:09.43
and without God
we're unprotected.
00:26:09.46\00:26:11.17
That's right.
00:26:11.20\00:26:12.53
So in one minute,
what do you expect
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to achieve with
Working the Dream?
00:26:16.14\00:26:18.17
I believe God's going to use
00:26:18.21\00:26:20.04
what we share in
many different ways,
00:26:20.08\00:26:22.28
I believe there
are people out there
00:26:22.31\00:26:23.81
that are looking for a job,
they're going to hear things,
00:26:23.85\00:26:26.38
they're going to
help them get that job.
00:26:26.41\00:26:28.32
I believe that
there are people out there
00:26:28.35\00:26:29.98
attempting to keep a job
00:26:30.02\00:26:31.69
that are going to
hear things that say,
00:26:31.72\00:26:33.22
"Ah, I need to
function this way."
00:26:33.25\00:26:35.29
And we're going to
tell it like it is,
00:26:35.32\00:26:36.66
we're kind of
straight with this thing,
00:26:36.69\00:26:38.09
and I believe
that people out there
00:26:38.13\00:26:39.73
that God wants to promote,
00:26:39.76\00:26:41.43
He wants to grow
them in their positions,
00:26:41.46\00:26:43.60
but they need to be His hands,
and His arms, and His eyes,
00:26:43.63\00:26:48.00
not just I need to achieve
00:26:48.04\00:26:49.87
so that I could
be better than you.
00:26:49.90\00:26:51.24
Right.
00:26:51.27\00:26:52.61
I believe they're
going to get all of that
00:26:52.64\00:26:53.98
and they're going to
be blessed and encouraged.
00:26:54.01\00:26:55.38
Well, you know what,
from watching that program,
00:26:55.41\00:26:57.85
I know they are.
00:26:57.88\00:26:59.81
This program is, it's rich
and I just thank you and Brian
00:26:59.85\00:27:04.05
for getting involved
in immersing yourselves
00:27:04.09\00:27:07.92
into this whole process,
00:27:07.96\00:27:09.52
we really
appreciate what you've done.
00:27:09.56\00:27:11.63
You have to make sure that
you watch Working the Dream.
00:27:11.66\00:27:15.63
I'm just, I'm
so excited about it
00:27:15.66\00:27:18.67
and just check
with the schedule,
00:27:18.70\00:27:20.37
you'll be able
to see when it's on.
00:27:20.40\00:27:21.74
Thank you so much,
brother. Thank you.
00:27:21.77\00:27:23.44
Thank you for
having us. You're a dear.
00:27:23.47\00:27:24.91
Thank you.
00:27:24.94\00:27:26.27
What a blessing Eric is.
00:27:29.54\00:27:32.05
Working the Dream is gonna
teach you the unwritten rules
00:27:32.08\00:27:35.12
that executive mentor share with
00:27:35.15\00:27:36.99
only a few of their favorites.
00:27:37.02\00:27:39.12
Make sure to
check the D2D schedule
00:27:39.15\00:27:41.52
to confirm
airing, dates and times.
00:27:41.56\00:27:44.49
Wow, I can't
believe that we've reached
00:27:44.53\00:27:46.73
the end of another program.
00:27:46.76\00:27:48.43
We are so
blessed by these programs
00:27:48.46\00:27:50.70
and we hope and
pray that you are too.
00:27:50.73\00:27:53.34
So make sure that
you join us next time
00:27:53.37\00:27:56.04
because you know what,
00:27:56.07\00:27:57.41
it's just wouldn't
be the same without you.
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