Wait till you see what
our guest has been up to,
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stay tuned... you
won't want to miss this.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is Chris
Lang, Founder, Producer,
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Director at Lifestreams
Media Film Production Company,
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welcome to Urban Report Chris.
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Thank you Yvonne, it's
great to be here today.
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Yeah, I'm so glad you're here,
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oh! you have
been in the trenches
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and I know you have, I
know you've been so busy,
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you were on... oh! it's
been a while since you were here
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and we've aired some of your
other films which we love...
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"Single Creek" I mean...
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we just love what
God has used you to do
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and now you have
some new projects coming
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and we just
need to explore those
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introduce those to our Viewers
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because they are
powerful... powerful,
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so tell us what you've been
doing since you were here last.
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Well, Yvonne, thank
you so much, first of all,
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for the opportunity to reconnect
with you on Urban Report.
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Last time we met, I
was just getting started
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on this journey with
the film project called
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"Charmed by Darkness"
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we had started working
with the Roger Morneau Estate,
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many of the Viewers
will remember this man of God
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who had been a demon
worshipper back in the 1940s
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and amazingly, miraculously
God used a precious couple
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Cyril and Cynthia Grossé
to study the Bible with Roger
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to deliver him from
demon worship in 1946.
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Wow! demon
worship... I mean, really...
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that is... it is
so incredible to me
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that God reaches
everywhere for us...
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there's nowhere that
God won't go to reach us
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tell us a little bit
about him, if you would,
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a bit more about Roger
Morneau and who he was.
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Yeah, so, Roger grew
up in a Catholic family
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in 1920s and
30s... and he... he...
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he basically couldn't reconcile
the teachings of the Bible
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with those
teachings of his church
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and at the ripe old age of 12,
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Roger decided
that God was a tyrant
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and sort of the straw that broke
the camel's back... as they say,
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was the teaching on
eternally burning hellfire
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and also
purgatory which Catholics...
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many Catholics still believe
in this sort of... holding area,
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between hell and heaven
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or between life
and death and heaven
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well, Roger's mother died
when he was at the age of 12
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and that just... that just
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completely
solidified his hatred of God,
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and he turned his
back on religion completely
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and so Roger... as
the World War 2 broke out,
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he was a late teenager,
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he was working on the Merchant
Navy Ships during the war
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and also, he was in
the Canadian Army as well,
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and he was French
Canadian and after the war,
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God saved... by-the-way...
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God saved his life
miraculously during the war,
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and afterwards, he was
invited into a Secret Society
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of demon
worshippers where he saw...
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what he thought was the
spirit of his dead mother
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and communicated
with her and before long
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he was being given
gifts where he could win
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at the horse track, he was...
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he was being shown
in his dreams at night
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the winning horses and he
started winning a lot of money
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in the 1940s... after the war...
I mean 400 dollars in one day
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was a lot of
money, Yvonne, back then.
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Yeah, yeah...
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So... but Roger wasn't happy,
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Roger didn't
have peace in his life
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and his parents had warned him
that if he ever played with evil
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someday he would
have to pay the price
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and one night he
was really frustrated,
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he couldn't sleep because the
Secret Society's High Priest,
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they called him a
Priest in this Satanic Society
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that he was a part
of... during this period,
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was pressuring him to become
initiated on Halloween weekend
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in 1946... and he...
he sensed this danger
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and so, one
night he couldn't sleep
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and he calls out on his back...
looking up at the ceiling
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he was not evening
praying, he was just desperate,
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"If there is a God in heaven
that cares for me help me... "
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within a couple of days he
met a man named Cyril Grossé
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at his embroidery
factory where he worked
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and he found out
that Cyril was a Christian
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that kept the Bible Sabbath
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and one day Roger had
this... this conviction
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that Cyril might
have some answers
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that he had been
seeking his whole life
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and what Cyril
didn't know was that
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Roger had been
worshipping demons
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and within three days
Roger was supposed to sign up
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and get
initiated on the other side
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but during those three days,
right before his initiation,
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God was saving Roger's
life through the ministry
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of Cyril and Cynthia
Grossé who were newlyweds
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and guess what, Yvonne?
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They were the ripe old age of 19
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and Roger was only 20
years old at this time...
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these are not old people,
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these are
coming-of-age young adults...
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Yvonne: Wow!
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Chris: And that's why
when I heard this story
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and I saw the original book,
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Roger wrote his
conversion story in 1982
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and it was originally
published by Review and Herald
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and the title was, "A
Trip into the Supernatural"
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what most people
don't know, Yvonne,
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is only half of that...
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only half of Roger's original
manuscript was published...
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this is the cover of that book,
"A Trip into the Supernatural"
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and only half of that manuscript
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that Roger had
written was published
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and so, when I saw
the total manuscript
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that Cyril mailed to
me a couple of years ago,
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when I started looking
at this with Roger's Estate,
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partnered with Lifestreams Media
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and we started working
together to do a feature film
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about this
amazing conversion story,
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but it was while I was reading
this... this manuscript...
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this original manuscript that
Roger wrote by hand, Yvonne,
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and Cyril and
Cynthia had it typed
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in the 1970s or early '80s...
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when I read this
manuscript, Yvonne,
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I felt this conviction that the
whole world needed to see this
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and by God's grace
I... I just prayed...
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I said, "Lord, this is
part of the journey... "
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and so I called our
friends at Pacific Press
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and when they heard it...
when they heard what happened,
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they agreed whole-heartedly
to publish the full manuscript
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and so, last year, the
Pacific Press put out this book
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which is the first
time the world has ever seen
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Roger's complete
conversion story,
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from demon worship
and we are so excited
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to be able to be
working now on the feature film,
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that... that is
based on this book
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and we actually...
since you and I met last year,
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we've actually been working
with scriptwriters in Hollywood,
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we didn't have a lot of money
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because we were poor and...
but we had a lot of big dreams
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because God put
this burden on my heart
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and so, we finally
hired a non-Union Scriptwriter
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who has a heart for the Lord,
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I felt a conviction that
he was a man of integrity,
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he and his wife
were God followers
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they happened to
be Sunday Protestants
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and after the first draft of
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the screenplay
was finished, Yvonne,
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do you know that
the Scriptwriter's wife
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was so convicted that
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she should start
keeping the Bible Sabbath
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after she read
just the first draft.
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Yvonne: Wow, praise
the Lord, praise the Lord,
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you know, you gave
me a lot of chew on
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just in... in
what you've just said,
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I want to go back a little
bit and talk a little bit about
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Roger's life and
then into the project...
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you know, one of the things that
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is so interesting to me
and I've told you this before
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I think, is that...
mysticism is one of the things,
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spiritism, spiritualism,
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these are things that
are creeping into the church,
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these are things that Christians
unawares... many times...
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are participating in...
not the overt Satan worship
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but just very subtle
things and what you're doing
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and I'm so thankful
that you're doing this...
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you're exposing a
lot of the dark...
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the elements of
darkness to people
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through Roger Morneau's
life and he was at the...
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he was at the end... that
other end of demon worship
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which is just...
that's the overt kind of
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end-of-the-line thing...
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and I'm so thankful
that you and your team
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are bringing this to
light because his whole life...
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after he gave
his life to the Lord,
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his whole life was one of
ministry, one of faith walk,
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I've read his books
and I'm... he's just...
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I'm so glad you did
this... this... these films
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on his life and
this tribute too...
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that we're going to
talk about in a bit,
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so he went
through this and then...
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you were introduced to
the book and to the whole...
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the whole
journey that he was on,
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and you felt convicted
that God would have you
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use your gifts to
do films about this.
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Yeah, actually, I tried to
reach out to Roger's family
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for several years, Yvonne,
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and I was in the middle
of producing about miracles
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several years ago
and I was so convicted
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that when I read
his books like you,
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that these were
stories... and I wondered...
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I just wondered if
anyone had asked permission
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from the family...
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if they could have
permission to do a feature film
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about his life story...
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his amazing conversion story...
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and it took me three
years to get a hold of them
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and finally God opened the
door and God's timing is...
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as you know... He's usually
not early but He's never late.
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That's right...
He's right on time...
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and He's right on time...
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what would you say was
the most poignant story
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in his journey
that really grabbed you,
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what really, really
grabbed you in his journey?
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Well, like you,
I think that the...
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I think that the
generation we're living in
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that is so... where the
occult is the new normal,
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where honestly, Yvonne, the
word "occult" is old-school.
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That's right.
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Just to say
somebody is in the occult...
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that is so old-school now.
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That's right.
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Mysticism... very
much so... as you said,
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meditation...
spiritual formation...
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contemplative prayer,
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"Christian Meditation"
as they're calling it now,
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these are Christianized
versions of Eastern Mysticism
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to contact what
someone might think is God
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when they're in an
altered state of consciousness,
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and so this has
been an amazing journey
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as I had this conviction that...
that Roger's story, as you said,
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he was on the far
other side of the spectrum...
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as it relates to spiritualism
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but I felt that because he
was interacting with spirits
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that he thought were his...
the spirit of his dead mother
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who had passed on, that
we could, by God's grace,
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in this generation
that is so saturated with,
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"Twilight" and "Harry Potter"
and the Fox TV Series, "Lucifer"
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and making
fun... making a mockery
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of the Biblical concept
of the great controversy
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and that through Roger's story
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and through the
witnesses that knew him,
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both before and
after his conversion,
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that the world
will be confronted
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with the Biblical
truth through a story
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so that... we Adventists...
we're so good at preaching,
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Yvonne, we have the
best preachers in the world.
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Hmmm...
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And... and...
and... and... and but...
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but we are
living in an ADD culture
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where people
might give you 5 seconds
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before they change the
channel. Yvonne: That's right...
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Chris: And storytelling is
what God has put on my heart,
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He has given me this
calling to tell stories
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that are not only inspiring
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but Biblically sound and
life-changing testimonies
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through re-enactments and now
this is our first feature film,
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"Charmed by
Darkness" based on the book
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that we hope,
with God's blessing,
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will actually challenge
the world to think very deeply
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about what these
spirits are saying, Yvonne,
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because the devil doesn't
care what your worldview is,
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he will come as an alien,
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he will come as a
spirit of your dead ancestors,
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called "Ascended Masters"
which the New-Age Movement
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and the Freemasons
all are taught to believe,
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the witches who
go into Summerland
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and some sort of
purgatory, neo-paganism, Yvonne,
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is the fastest-growing
world religion now.
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Is it really? Neo-paganism...
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It is the fastest
worldview in the world because
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people are tired of
the old-time religion,
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people are bored because there
are no magic tricks, Yvonne,
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and you know what?
00:14:03.81\00:14:05.57
The Bible tells us that we
shouldn't seek something new,
00:14:05.61\00:14:09.34
that we should
seek the old path...
00:14:09.38\00:14:11.38
that's what
Isaiah told us to do.
00:14:11.41\00:14:13.35
Yvonne: That's
right... that's right...
00:14:13.38\00:14:14.75
Chris: And there is
where we will find rest
00:14:14.78\00:14:16.12
for our restless hearts.
00:14:16.15\00:14:17.49
Yvonne: Yes, yes, see...
and the... and the thing is
00:14:17.52\00:14:20.02
these... these things
are really... they're not new
00:14:20.06\00:14:25.89
they're just a twist
on the old paganism...
00:14:25.93\00:14:30.43
I mean, this is paganism...
neo-paganism... new paganism...
00:14:30.47\00:14:33.97
that's really what it is,
it's like another form of it
00:14:34.00\00:14:37.91
but this is... Satan
is up to his old tricks,
00:14:37.97\00:14:42.14
he has just re-packaged
it, we have a clip of your...
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the video... the Trailer...
for "Charmed by Darkness"
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I want to take a look at it.
00:14:49.65\00:14:51.35
Yeah, could I set
it up for the audience?
00:14:51.39\00:14:55.82
Please...
00:14:55.86\00:14:57.19
This is actually exciting
00:14:57.23\00:14:58.56
to be able to share
with your audience, Yvonne,
00:14:58.59\00:15:00.46
and the reason
is because... God...
00:15:00.50\00:15:03.06
I am so thankful to God, Yvonne,
00:15:03.10\00:15:05.40
I can't tell you,
this is emotional for me,
00:15:05.43\00:15:07.67
because... because...
Cyril and Cynthia Grossé
00:15:07.70\00:15:12.47
became like my grandparents,
00:15:12.51\00:15:14.54
they... God kept
them alive long enough
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when I started working with
00:15:18.48\00:15:20.42
Linda Morneau
Hatley... Roger's daughter,
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she's the Executrix
of Roger's Estate...
00:15:23.39\00:15:25.92
it was... it was less than a
year till Cynthia passed away
00:15:25.95\00:15:30.13
from the time we
started working together
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and, do you know, God
was the only one who knew...
00:15:32.69\00:15:35.96
He foreknew that
she was about to die
00:15:36.00\00:15:39.53
and coordinated an
interview with Cynthia and Cyril
00:15:39.57\00:15:45.27
when they were still healthy
00:15:45.31\00:15:47.51
and they were able
to go out for a walk...
00:15:47.58\00:15:49.98
we were able to
shoot B-roll with them
00:15:50.01\00:15:52.11
and what an
inspiration they were
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but here's the amazing thing,
00:15:55.12\00:15:56.45
when our Viewers
watched this video,
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they should keep in mind
that Cynthia was the only one
00:15:58.19\00:16:01.96
who remembered where their
actual apartment address was
00:16:01.99\00:16:05.06
in Montreal where they
studied the Bible with Roger
00:16:05.09\00:16:09.33
and she died... three
months after I interviewed them,
00:16:09.36\00:16:13.34
Cyril was the
only one who had video
00:16:13.37\00:16:16.64
of him and Roger
sitting together as friends,
00:16:16.67\00:16:18.97
you're going to
see that in the video,
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he filmed that
with a consumer camera
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in his living room in 1984,
00:16:23.11\00:16:25.01
they were just
hanging out talking...
00:16:25.08\00:16:26.92
it's a casual video and
that's why it's precious...
00:16:26.98\00:16:29.45
absolutely precious
because it shows the proof
00:16:29.48\00:16:32.19
that these men
were life-long friends
00:16:32.22\00:16:34.42
and God was just
starting to write their story
00:16:34.46\00:16:37.43
when... when you hear the
conversion story from 1946...
00:16:37.46\00:16:41.50
that was just the beginning
for Cyril and Roger's friendship
00:16:41.53\00:16:44.10
so let's take a look.
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Great...
00:16:45.53\00:16:49.27
Music...
00:16:49.30\00:16:53.17
He was a man of a singular focus
00:16:59.05\00:17:02.48
always ready to tell the story
of his best friend Cynthia...
00:17:02.52\00:17:06.22
the unlikely
friendship with Roger Morneau
00:17:06.25\00:17:09.09
and of a God who saved them all.
00:17:09.12\00:17:12.09
The other boys and girls
were loud and... and, you know,
00:17:12.13\00:17:19.00
made mean remarks and so on,
00:17:19.03\00:17:20.67
but he would sit
down and he'd just watch
00:17:20.70\00:17:23.67
and sometimes he'd say something
00:17:23.71\00:17:25.91
and when he said
something, you thought about it
00:17:25.94\00:17:28.61
and that was interesting
00:17:28.64\00:17:30.75
and, of course, I
compared him with the others
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he was far better in every way.
00:17:33.35\00:17:37.99
I'm driving my
Raleigh across the tracks,
00:17:38.02\00:17:41.49
and, of course, not
being an expert on the bicycle,
00:17:41.52\00:17:45.43
a wheel got
caught in the track...
00:17:45.49\00:17:47.76
threw me over... I
fell flat on my stomach
00:17:47.80\00:17:51.33
and I was winded
and couldn't get up
00:17:51.37\00:17:53.87
and she ran over...
00:17:53.90\00:17:55.50
grabbed me by the hand
and pulled me out the track,
00:17:55.54\00:17:58.27
and then she went back and
pulled my bike off the track
00:17:58.31\00:18:00.98
before the train
got there and saved me.
00:18:01.01\00:18:04.51
Another time, I
almost drowned in a lake
00:18:04.55\00:18:08.02
and again... she saved me again.
00:18:08.05\00:18:10.45
Chris: What happened?
00:18:10.49\00:18:12.45
Cynthia: I married him...
00:18:12.49\00:18:14.36
yeah, the things that he
was doing were ridiculous...
00:18:14.39\00:18:19.49
really ridiculous... yeah...
00:18:19.53\00:18:22.00
Cyril: I was not an
Adventist but she was...
00:18:22.06\00:18:25.30
whenever I go to work...
without knowing what to eat,
00:18:25.33\00:18:28.47
what to drink... or
going to church on Sabbath,
00:18:28.50\00:18:31.21
I decided... I'm
going to church with her
00:18:31.24\00:18:33.81
because if I didn't
go to church with her,
00:18:33.84\00:18:36.38
somebody else would steal her.
00:18:36.41\00:18:37.75
Narrator: They married in
1944, both just 18 years old
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and began attending church
together in this building,
00:18:41.98\00:18:45.85
the previous home of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
00:18:45.92\00:18:49.79
in the Westmount
District of Montreal.
00:18:49.82\00:18:52.49
Cyril: When the Minister said,
00:18:52.53\00:18:54.56
"Anybody here like
to have Bible Studies?"
00:18:54.60\00:18:57.20
And before I
could say, "Not me... "
00:18:57.23\00:18:59.60
she said, "We would... "
00:18:59.63\00:19:00.97
After I had taken the
Bible Studies from Elder Taylor,
00:19:01.00\00:19:05.51
I was coming to an area of
not believing in the Sabbath,
00:19:05.54\00:19:10.28
and I said a silent prayer,
00:19:10.31\00:19:12.11
didn't tell my wife,
didn't tell Elder Taylor,
00:19:12.15\00:19:14.08
and I said, "Lord,
if you want me to keep
00:19:14.12\00:19:17.12
Saturday for my Sabbath,
let me convince one person
00:19:17.15\00:19:20.39
and I'll... I'll believe... "
00:19:20.42\00:19:21.92
Racetrack announcer:
The race is about to begin,
00:19:21.96\00:19:24.23
the horses are settling in now,
00:19:24.26\00:19:26.29
and they're off... it's
a quick release flight...
00:19:26.33\00:19:29.73
Narrator: Meanwhile, a French-
Canadian named Roger Morneau
00:19:29.76\00:19:33.07
was winning here...
00:19:33.10\00:19:34.54
at the Blue Bonnets
Race Track in Montreal
00:19:34.57\00:19:37.04
his time with the Secret
Society of demon worshippers
00:19:37.07\00:19:40.64
was paying off but
he had no peace or joy,
00:19:40.68\00:19:44.31
his parents had warned
him about playing with evil,
00:19:44.35\00:19:47.38
and he knew that no one had ever
00:19:47.42\00:19:49.95
gotten out of that
Secret Society alive.
00:19:49.98\00:19:52.19
Music...
00:20:24.22\00:20:26.89
I was working as a... working
in the Embroidery Factory
00:20:26.92\00:20:31.36
I was the Foreman...
anyway I went to this new place
00:20:31.39\00:20:35.80
and did an interview to see
if they would pay me more money
00:20:35.83\00:20:38.57
and give me less
work to do, and he said,
00:20:38.60\00:20:41.07
"And if you want to
make more money too,
00:20:41.10\00:20:43.00
you can work
Saturday and Sunday"
00:20:43.04\00:20:44.37
In the meantime he had
a fellow working for him
00:20:44.41\00:20:47.78
and I didn't know
who that fellow was
00:20:47.81\00:20:50.01
but it was Roger
Morneau and he told Roger,
00:20:50.05\00:20:52.95
"Monday, we have a
new worker coming in
00:20:52.98\00:20:55.85
and I want you
to sit next to him
00:20:55.88\00:20:58.65
and find out why
he is a Christian
00:20:58.72\00:21:01.32
and to keep my Jewish Sabbath. "
00:21:01.36\00:21:03.93
And later on he said to me,
"Cyril, I want you to invite me
00:21:03.96\00:21:09.26
to come to your house and
you can tell me what you know. "
00:21:09.30\00:21:14.44
So, I said,
"Okay, come this weekend"
00:21:14.47\00:21:17.87
he said, "No this week
I will be too late... "
00:21:17.91\00:21:21.21
I didn't know at that time
that he was a Devil Worshipper
00:21:21.24\00:21:25.11
and he had only three days left
before he would sell his soul...
00:21:25.18\00:21:29.18
I remembered that I had
just bought 28 Bible Studies
00:21:29.22\00:21:34.32
for busy people, I
hadn't opened it yet
00:21:34.36\00:21:36.89
and I got home as fast as I
could and told my wife, I said,
00:21:36.93\00:21:40.36
"Cynthia, we have a
fellow that wants Bible Studies
00:21:40.40\00:21:44.63
and you can turn
the pages of the Bible
00:21:44.67\00:21:47.54
while I read the notes,"
00:21:47.57\00:21:48.90
I said, "Now, this
fellow wants to come... "
00:21:48.94\00:21:50.71
I said, "He cusses like a sailor
and he smokes like a chimney"
00:21:50.74\00:21:54.64
I said, "What
do you want to do?"
00:21:54.68\00:21:57.31
She said, "Let him
cuss and let him smoke... "
00:21:57.35\00:22:00.42
Narrator: Cynthia and Cyril
lived here on Coursol Street
00:22:00.45\00:22:05.25
about a ten-minute
walk from the church
00:22:05.29\00:22:07.76
on the third
floor of this building
00:22:07.82\00:22:10.23
they studied the Bible with
Roger and later a fire broke out
00:22:10.29\00:22:14.63
that nearly killed Cynthia.
00:22:14.66\00:22:16.36
Cynthia: It was
fascinating that he was
00:22:34.72\00:22:36.89
actually sponging the
information that we were giving
00:22:36.92\00:22:41.92
and he would repeat the
paragraph or the sentence
00:22:41.96\00:22:46.93
or the Scripture...
00:22:46.96\00:22:49.06
and it's been long gone
out of my mind after I read it
00:22:49.13\00:22:52.20
and he could pick
up things like that
00:22:52.23\00:22:54.60
and I think
that's what he was...
00:22:54.64\00:22:56.97
he was searching and he
found what he was looking for.
00:22:57.01\00:23:02.64
Roger's Grandson:
Without Cynthia and Cyril...
00:23:02.68\00:23:04.28
and I love you
Cynthia and Cyril...
00:23:04.31\00:23:07.15
my grandparents
wouldn't be married...
00:23:07.18\00:23:09.98
my mom wouldn't
be... I wouldn't be...
00:23:10.02\00:23:14.12
and my daughter wouldn't
be... my precious daughter...
00:23:14.16\00:23:18.03
and who knows... it's...
all eternity would be changed...
00:23:18.06\00:23:21.90
who knows... they
could have said, "No...
00:23:21.93\00:23:23.60
I'm selling my jazz records"
00:23:23.63\00:23:25.60
if Cynthia said,
00:23:25.63\00:23:26.97
"No way, I wanted to
have a cigarette smoking...
00:23:27.00\00:23:30.11
cigar smoking,
cussing man in my house... "
00:23:30.17\00:23:32.67
it would have
been finale... you know
00:23:32.71\00:23:36.95
and then who knows
what lives my grandfather
00:23:36.98\00:23:40.45
would have destroyed...
00:23:40.48\00:23:41.82
the "Great Master" wasn't
going to initiate my grandfather
00:23:41.85\00:23:45.52
into that Society to be a
good man for this planet...
00:23:45.55\00:23:47.96
he wants to destroy people.
00:23:47.99\00:23:51.69
Cyril: We have a lot of
memories that's half of them...
00:24:13.48\00:24:20.46
Trailer ending...
00:24:20.49\00:24:39.41
Yvonne: Wow! you know what
impresses me about that, Chris,
00:24:39.47\00:24:44.45
is... there are several things
00:24:44.48\00:24:46.35
but one of them is... just
this sweetness in their faces,
00:24:46.38\00:24:49.62
their countenances...
00:24:49.65\00:24:51.35
the Grossés
looked so kind and loving
00:24:51.39\00:24:55.19
I can see why... I can see why
they became your grandparents.
00:24:55.22\00:24:58.96
Well, Cyril... Cyril looks like
the grandfather I never had,
00:24:58.99\00:25:02.60
my mother's father
died when she was a teenager
00:25:02.63\00:25:06.20
and my father's dad died
when I was three-years old
00:25:06.23\00:25:09.77
so, it's like God gave
me a grandfather figure
00:25:09.80\00:25:13.04
who was such a warrior for God
00:25:13.07\00:25:14.44
and this is
emotional for me, Yvonne,
00:25:14.48\00:25:16.44
because... some of this...
00:25:16.48\00:25:18.31
this footage that
the Viewers are seeing,
00:25:18.35\00:25:20.05
will be
included on a documentary
00:25:20.08\00:25:21.95
which will be a
companion program
00:25:21.98\00:25:23.79
to this feature
film we're talking about,
00:25:23.85\00:25:26.35
"Charmed by Darkness"
because, we're living in a
00:25:26.39\00:25:29.62
"prove-it-to-me-age"
right, Yvonne?
00:25:29.66\00:25:30.99
Yvonne: Yes.
00:25:31.03\00:25:32.36
Chris: People can Google stuff
and they can find their "proof"
00:25:32.39\00:25:34.83
and since we are in such a
cynical society these days,
00:25:34.86\00:25:39.23
I've been praying that God would
00:25:39.30\00:25:41.00
open the doors and
help us prove things
00:25:41.04\00:25:43.91
that would help to
provide credibility,
00:25:43.94\00:25:46.78
for the things we can't prove,
00:25:46.81\00:25:48.34
we can't prove that Roger was
in any particular Secret Society
00:25:48.38\00:25:52.65
but we interviewed people
that knew Roger intimately well
00:25:52.71\00:25:55.65
including his family members,
00:25:55.68\00:25:57.45
including people
like Doug Batchelor
00:25:57.49\00:25:59.19
who was close
friends with the family,
00:25:59.22\00:26:00.89
also, Cyril and Cynthia who
were the best witnesses of all
00:26:00.92\00:26:05.69
who were there in the 1940s
00:26:05.73\00:26:08.70
and they confronted
demonic spirits themselves
00:26:08.73\00:26:11.63
and the devil
tried to take them out,
00:26:11.67\00:26:14.67
in fact, Yvonne,
this story is so true,
00:26:14.70\00:26:17.87
God actually revealed
in an experience to me
00:26:17.91\00:26:21.04
that there are forces
00:26:21.08\00:26:23.35
that are very,
very nervous about this.
00:26:23.38\00:26:25.01
Yvonne: Tell us what happened.
00:26:25.05\00:26:26.38
Chris: You know, I asked
Cyril a couple of years ago
00:26:26.41\00:26:29.92
if he would be
willing to send me
00:26:29.95\00:26:32.85
the original Bible Study pages
that you saw in that video,
00:26:32.89\00:26:35.76
I was convicted, Yvonne,
00:26:35.79\00:26:37.99
that the world would be
convicted by the Holy Spirit,
00:26:38.03\00:26:41.30
to want to study the...
the actual study that Roger...
00:26:41.33\00:26:44.77
that saved Roger's life,
and so, I asked Cyril one day,
00:26:44.80\00:26:48.00
I said, "Cyril... "
00:26:48.04\00:26:49.37
I told him what I was
convicted about and I asked him,
00:26:49.40\00:26:51.77
"Would you trust me to mail me
these original Bible Study pages
00:26:51.81\00:26:56.58
that you've saved for
70 years, almost 70 years?"
00:26:56.61\00:26:59.91
And he said, "Yes... "
00:26:59.95\00:27:01.28
and so, sure
enough a few days later
00:27:01.32\00:27:03.45
I got these
precious pages in the mail
00:27:03.49\00:27:06.99
and yes, those are
the pages, I started...
00:27:07.02\00:27:10.46
the night I started
scanning those pages, Yvonne,
00:27:10.49\00:27:13.19
I've lived in
this house 20 years
00:27:13.23\00:27:15.56
and I've never seen this,
00:27:15.60\00:27:16.93
and none of my
neighbors ever have either,
00:27:16.97\00:27:18.67
and they were witnesses to this,
00:27:18.70\00:27:20.24
I'm in my house after dark
00:27:20.27\00:27:22.57
and I'm starting to
scan these original pages
00:27:22.60\00:27:26.01
and a huge black bear
walked into my neighborhood
00:27:26.04\00:27:28.98
down the street,
00:27:29.01\00:27:30.45
at least five of my
neighbors were outside talking
00:27:30.48\00:27:33.48
when this bear showed up,
sat down in the neighbor's yard
00:27:33.52\00:27:37.29
across the street from my
house, and then got spooked
00:27:37.32\00:27:41.36
and he ran full blast about
20 feet from my front door,
00:27:41.42\00:27:45.43
through my front yard
00:27:45.46\00:27:47.33
and crashed through my
double-sided privacy fence,
00:27:47.36\00:27:49.76
as if it was toothpicks...
00:27:49.80\00:27:51.50
Yvonne: Wow! Look at
that! And that's your door...
00:27:51.53\00:27:56.60
that's your fence right there?
00:27:56.64\00:27:58.17
Chris:
Double-sided privacy fence...
00:27:58.21\00:28:00.24
and that 400-pound black
bear leaned on that fence
00:28:00.28\00:28:05.05
and broke the four-by-four posts
00:28:05.08\00:28:06.82
and then he just going
through the holding gate so...
00:28:06.85\00:28:11.05
and kept on going and I was
so impressed that night, Yvonne,
00:28:11.09\00:28:14.89
my neighbors... five of
them had flashlights in hand
00:28:14.92\00:28:18.49
and they were
knocking on my door,
00:28:18.53\00:28:20.03
they didn't know if I was home,
00:28:20.10\00:28:21.83
they didn't know
what I was doing,
00:28:21.86\00:28:23.60
I was scanning
these Bible Study Pages
00:28:23.67\00:28:25.70
and they said, "You won't... "
00:28:25.73\00:28:27.97
they're eyes were
as big as saucers,
00:28:28.00\00:28:29.64
they said, "You won't
believe what just happened!"
00:28:29.67\00:28:32.14
and so they took me
outside with their flashlights
00:28:32.17\00:28:34.58
shining in the dark
and there was the hole
00:28:34.61\00:28:37.08
and that picture you just
saw... I took the next morning
00:28:37.11\00:28:40.28
but I shook my head, Yvonne,
00:28:40.32\00:28:42.32
because, I think the Lord wanted
to give me a personal experience
00:28:42.35\00:28:47.16
to let me know...
again... I've lived there...
00:28:47.19\00:28:49.82
I've lived in
this house 20 years
00:28:49.86\00:28:51.63
and we've never seen a
bear on this street before.
00:28:51.66\00:28:55.30
Right... I mean, imagine...
it's so ludicrous, you know,
00:28:55.33\00:28:58.90
you're just doing
something in the house
00:28:58.93\00:29:01.40
and there's a bear
in your front yard,
00:29:01.44\00:29:03.81
I mean, that's just
so... you just can't...
00:29:03.84\00:29:06.61
it's unfathomable...
you just can't imagine
00:29:06.64\00:29:09.34
a bear... where
did he come from?
00:29:09.41\00:29:10.85
Chris: Exactly...
00:29:10.88\00:29:12.41
Yvonne: Where did he come
from and it's so interesting
00:29:12.45\00:29:14.52
that he was... he got
00:29:14.55\00:29:16.18
angry or
whatever and came at you
00:29:16.22\00:29:19.29
while you were looking
at those Bible Studies.
00:29:19.35\00:29:22.32
Chris: I was scanning
them for the world, Yvonne,
00:29:22.36\00:29:25.16
and someone didn't want it...
00:29:25.19\00:29:27.03
someone was very
unhappy about that.
00:29:27.06\00:29:29.03
Yvonne: Yes... yes...
00:29:29.06\00:29:30.40
Chris: God
wanted the world to know
00:29:30.43\00:29:31.80
through my personal experience
00:29:31.83\00:29:33.97
that this story
is absolutely true,
00:29:34.04\00:29:36.57
I have no doubt in my
mind and, of course, we...
00:29:36.60\00:29:39.57
we have witnesses
like I mentioned just now
00:29:39.61\00:29:42.08
but that's not the
only thing that happened,
00:29:42.11\00:29:44.51
when this book was
being typed for Pacific Press,
00:29:44.55\00:29:47.48
the woman who...
00:29:47.52\00:29:48.85
the woman who typed
the pages of this book...
00:29:48.88\00:29:51.19
Yvonne: "Charmed by Darkness"
00:29:51.25\00:29:52.79
Chris: "Charmed by
Darkness" this book...
00:29:52.82\00:29:55.06
that the
screenplay is based on...
00:29:55.09\00:29:56.66
while she was typing it, Yvonne,
00:29:56.73\00:30:00.43
she was convicted to
start keeping the Sabbath,
00:30:00.46\00:30:02.66
she was not a
Seventh-day Adventist
00:30:02.70\00:30:05.40
and the first
Sabbath that she kept,
00:30:05.43\00:30:08.10
intentionally before the Lord,
00:30:08.14\00:30:10.01
she and her husband were driving
to see a friend in their van
00:30:10.04\00:30:13.44
and they saw a...
this is a new term...
00:30:13.48\00:30:17.55
you can Google it... I
didn't know it until I heard it,
00:30:17.58\00:30:20.12
"Shadow people" following them
00:30:20.15\00:30:22.22
while they were
driving to see their friends.
00:30:22.25\00:30:24.39
If you Google it, you'll
see that the definition is,
00:30:24.42\00:30:27.16
"Dark apparitions with red eyes"
00:30:27.19\00:30:29.56
ghosts were following
her and her husband that day
00:30:29.62\00:30:33.33
on Sabbath... while she
was going to see her friends.
00:30:33.36\00:30:37.03
Yvonne: And, of
course, we know with "ghosts"
00:30:37.07\00:30:39.90
are "demonic spirits... "
00:30:39.93\00:30:41.67
Chris: And she knew that too,
00:30:41.70\00:30:43.37
she knew that the
demons were trying to
00:30:43.41\00:30:45.87
distract and
discourage and intimidate
00:30:45.91\00:30:48.64
and she sent me an
e-mail the next day
00:30:48.71\00:30:51.21
and told me about
this and she said,
00:30:51.28\00:30:53.72
"You know what, Chris...
" she said, "I'm not afraid"
00:30:53.78\00:30:55.75
and the last
sentence, I'll never forget,
00:30:55.78\00:30:58.42
she said, "I'm... it's so
amazing how quickly God works
00:30:58.45\00:31:03.73
when the ignorance is lifted. "
00:31:03.76\00:31:06.96
Yvonne: Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
00:31:07.00\00:31:10.13
and that's what these
films... these projects of yours
00:31:10.17\00:31:14.37
are meant to do, to
educate... to inform
00:31:14.40\00:31:18.24
and to let people know
that these things are real
00:31:18.27\00:31:21.31
you know, a lot of
people, Chris... think
00:31:21.34\00:31:23.35
that... that evil
spirits aren't real
00:31:23.38\00:31:25.38
that there's no
such thing as Satan,
00:31:25.41\00:31:27.75
that there's... you know...
00:31:27.78\00:31:29.12
that there's just
ignorance but not...
00:31:29.15\00:31:32.99
not evil... and in fact
some of the Eastern religions...
00:31:33.02\00:31:37.99
one of their tenets is to
blend or balance good with evil
00:31:38.03\00:31:42.76
and so, you know, one of
the things that you're doing
00:31:42.80\00:31:47.47
with your film is...
you are unmasking evil
00:31:47.50\00:31:51.74
and you are also
unmasking the good...
00:31:51.77\00:31:55.18
you're showing the contrast
00:31:55.21\00:31:57.45
between God's
way and Satan's way
00:31:57.48\00:32:00.25
and of course, he
doesn't want people to know it
00:32:00.28\00:32:02.08
because one of
his tricks is denial,
00:32:02.12\00:32:04.29
you know, "He doesn't exist... "
00:32:04.32\00:32:06.02
so we're so happy
that you're doing that,
00:32:06.05\00:32:08.79
what are some of the
other things that have happened
00:32:08.82\00:32:11.36
since you
started making this film?
00:32:11.39\00:32:13.90
Well, you know, one of the
things that came out, Yvonne,
00:32:13.93\00:32:17.60
was that... a lot of people
were a little bit confused,
00:32:17.63\00:32:20.04
they were trying to figure out,
00:32:20.07\00:32:21.40
"Is 'Charmed by
Darkness' a feature film
00:32:21.44\00:32:23.64
or is it a documentary?"
00:32:23.67\00:32:25.01
Yvonne: Hmmm...
00:32:25.04\00:32:26.37
Chris: And I said,
"Yes... it's both. "
00:32:26.41\00:32:28.11
Yvonne: You said, "Yes... "
00:32:28.14\00:32:31.58
Chris: And it
was during that time,
00:32:31.61\00:32:34.02
right after I saw you last year
00:32:34.05\00:32:35.75
for our last Program together,
00:32:35.78\00:32:37.49
actually, a friend of
mine who has interviewed...
00:32:37.52\00:32:41.09
one of Roger's
very close friends,
00:32:41.12\00:32:42.96
she was diagnosed
with end-stage cancer
00:32:42.99\00:32:46.26
her name is Carol Squier
and she passed away this year
00:32:46.29\00:32:49.96
and she's resting in Jesus...
00:32:50.00\00:32:51.67
and Cyril, of
course, just died about...
00:32:51.70\00:32:53.67
a few weeks ago as well and
he's resting now from his battle
00:32:53.74\00:32:58.21
but he loved God a lot and
I can't wait to see him again,
00:32:58.24\00:33:01.64
Carol sent me all of
the personally signed
00:33:01.68\00:33:04.18
autographed books
that Roger gave her
00:33:04.25\00:33:06.68
twenty years ago, or so,
these are very well-known books
00:33:06.72\00:33:10.29
among Seventh-day Adventists,
00:33:10.35\00:33:11.95
Roger was well-known
with his Prayer Ministry,
00:33:11.99\00:33:15.12
he had thousands of people
00:33:15.16\00:33:17.86
who would call him and
ask for intercessory prayer
00:33:17.89\00:33:20.16
so many of these
books that he wrote
00:33:20.20\00:33:21.53
were about the miracles that God
worked when he prayed for people
00:33:21.56\00:33:26.30
well, well, one of the
books that she sent, Yvonne,
00:33:26.33\00:33:30.57
that I was aware of but I
had never read... was this book,
00:33:30.61\00:33:34.24
this book titled,
"Beware of Angels"
00:33:34.28\00:33:37.91
and I knew the
basic story about it
00:33:37.95\00:33:41.55
and quite frankly, Yvonne,
00:33:41.58\00:33:42.92
I wasn't going to touch
it with a ten-foot pole,
00:33:42.95\00:33:46.39
and because you know
the story, you know why...
00:33:46.42\00:33:49.86
Yes, share... share some of
the story with us if you would.
00:33:49.92\00:33:53.16
This... this was Roger's
last book that he wrote, Yvonne,
00:33:53.19\00:33:56.43
before he passed away
in 1998 and this book...
00:33:56.46\00:33:59.77
is a sobering account...
00:33:59.80\00:34:01.94
true story of a
Bible Study Group
00:34:01.97\00:34:04.84
in Grants Pass, Oregon,
00:34:04.87\00:34:06.81
that happened to be
Seventh-day Adventist Christians
00:34:06.84\00:34:09.11
that were seeking a
closer walk with the Lord
00:34:09.14\00:34:11.91
where they began to "fall
of the wagon," as it were,
00:34:11.95\00:34:16.28
is... they started asking God
00:34:16.32\00:34:18.65
to let them talk to
their Guardian Angels
00:34:18.69\00:34:20.56
and this story,
"Beware of Angels"
00:34:20.59\00:34:23.73
Roger actually
interviewed the people
00:34:23.76\00:34:26.76
who were involved
in this murder case...
00:34:26.80\00:34:29.70
what happened to
this group, Yvonne,
00:34:29.76\00:34:31.90
essentially is...
they fell into Spiritualism
00:34:31.93\00:34:33.97
and a couple of people in
their group ultimately murdered
00:34:34.00\00:34:37.61
somebody else who
was a member in the group
00:34:37.64\00:34:40.41
and it was all
because they heard voices
00:34:40.44\00:34:42.94
and these spirits were telling
them that they were from God...
00:34:42.98\00:34:46.25
and that certain people
needed to be destroyed...
00:34:46.28\00:34:49.28
it's a long
story, but by God's grace
00:34:49.32\00:34:52.29
we have decided
to do a documentary
00:34:52.32\00:34:55.22
to use it as a... as a...
00:34:55.26\00:34:57.19
as a core companion
program to "Charmed by Darkness"
00:34:57.23\00:35:00.30
for the very reasons
you were just talking about,
00:35:00.36\00:35:02.50
we're living in a
world that believes
00:35:02.53\00:35:04.50
that the
immortality of the soul...
00:35:04.53\00:35:06.43
is... is as normal as us
breathing and talking here
00:35:06.47\00:35:10.04
right now...
Yvonne: That's right...
00:35:10.07\00:35:11.87
Chris: There are
channelers and mediums
00:35:11.91\00:35:13.71
that have daily shows on YouTube
00:35:13.74\00:35:16.88
that are being
watched by curious people,
00:35:16.91\00:35:19.58
"Curiosity" as they
say, "kills the cat," right?
00:35:19.61\00:35:21.72
Yvonne: Hmmm...
hmmm... hmmm... hmmm.
00:35:21.75\00:35:23.35
Chris: And here's
the thing, Yvonne,
00:35:23.39\00:35:24.75
there's real power
there but it's not from God.
00:35:24.79\00:35:27.86
Yvonne: That's right...
and that's something, Chris,
00:35:27.89\00:35:30.93
that we really don't
need to underestimate
00:35:30.96\00:35:35.26
because there is power there,
00:35:35.30\00:35:37.43
there's no doubt
that there's power there
00:35:37.47\00:35:39.70
but what is the
source of that power?
00:35:39.73\00:35:42.07
And once you start
tangling with that,
00:35:42.10\00:35:44.97
it is a downward,
downward spiral...
00:35:45.01\00:35:47.84
you know, the Bible
forbids "familiar spirits... "
00:35:47.88\00:35:51.51
it forbids communication
with "familiar spirits"
00:35:51.55\00:35:55.18
so, many times, I think,
00:35:55.22\00:35:57.09
Christians want a
deeper spiritual experience
00:35:57.12\00:36:02.39
and they're seeking a
deeper spiritual experience
00:36:02.42\00:36:07.16
and so they will begin
to seek out these things
00:36:07.20\00:36:11.87
like, trying to talk to angels
00:36:11.90\00:36:13.74
and having your angel talk to
you and all that kind of thing
00:36:13.77\00:36:16.27
and before you know it...
00:36:16.30\00:36:17.84
Satan, who
masquerades as an angel of light
00:36:17.87\00:36:21.84
can deceive you,
that's why Jesus said,
00:36:21.88\00:36:25.85
"Be not deceived... "
00:36:25.88\00:36:27.22
because He knew
that at the end of time
00:36:27.25\00:36:29.82
Matthew 24... at the end of
time people would be deceived.
00:36:29.85\00:36:33.79
And the reason that they're
deceived at the end, Yvonne,
00:36:33.82\00:36:37.73
2nd Thessalonians
chapter 2 tells us
00:36:37.76\00:36:40.10
that the reason
people will be deceived
00:36:40.13\00:36:42.43
is because they
did not receive...
00:36:42.46\00:36:44.07
they did not have
a love of the truth.
00:36:44.10\00:36:45.43
Yvonne: Yes...
00:36:45.47\00:36:46.80
Chris: So that
they could be saved
00:36:46.84\00:36:48.17
and so, we want to
share the truth with love
00:36:48.20\00:36:50.41
but we want to be...
we want to be careful
00:36:50.47\00:36:53.48
to tell what God
tells us to tell...
00:36:53.51\00:36:55.74
I feel like John
the Baptist... because
00:36:55.78\00:36:58.01
I just had a call from a
scriptwriter from Hollywood,
00:36:58.05\00:37:02.08
two days ago...
and do you know what?
00:37:02.12\00:37:04.35
This movie is being made for her
00:37:04.39\00:37:07.49
and I realize...
God was affirming it,
00:37:07.56\00:37:09.86
while I was on the
phone with her, Yvonne,
00:37:09.89\00:37:11.49
and this is just one
of many people out there,
00:37:11.53\00:37:13.70
who believe they're
Christians essentially...
00:37:13.73\00:37:15.86
but they have a
New Age World View
00:37:15.90\00:37:17.97
about the Cosmos and about God
00:37:18.00\00:37:19.63
and about how
everything is interconnected
00:37:19.67\00:37:21.80
and how, we're
all immortal beings...
00:37:21.84\00:37:23.91
that we were... always
were... and always will be
00:37:23.97\00:37:26.78
and ultimately
what happened to her...
00:37:26.81\00:37:29.54
and this is how deceptive
the devil is these days
00:37:29.58\00:37:32.65
is even for Christians...
00:37:32.71\00:37:34.48
they're starting to
see these manifestations,
00:37:34.52\00:37:36.48
her son passed away years ago
00:37:36.52\00:37:38.45
and she actually started writing
books about the message...
00:37:38.49\00:37:41.49
messages she was
getting from her son
00:37:41.52\00:37:44.23
who started appearing to her,
00:37:44.26\00:37:45.59
but here is what's
interesting, she said,
00:37:45.63\00:37:48.10
"People ask me if I'm
a Medium... a Channeler"
00:37:48.13\00:37:50.30
she said, "No,
that would be evil
00:37:50.37\00:37:52.13
I didn't conjure this...
I didn't conjure my son...
00:37:52.17\00:37:55.60
he just appeared... "
and by-the-way Yvonne,
00:37:55.64\00:37:58.34
he appeared in a
materialized human form...
00:37:58.37\00:38:01.01
he wasn't just a spirit, he
was actually a physical being
00:38:01.04\00:38:05.48
that walked into her room.
00:38:05.51\00:38:07.22
I have a chill, right
now, she was in a room
00:38:07.25\00:38:11.12
and that demon actually
manifested in flesh as her son.
00:38:11.15\00:38:17.83
That's right.
00:38:17.89\00:38:19.23
And she was meeting with him.
00:38:19.26\00:38:20.96
That's right...
and he was thanking her
00:38:21.00\00:38:23.77
for sending out the message
00:38:23.80\00:38:25.70
that everything
is light and love
00:38:25.73\00:38:28.04
and it's eternal and it's
all of these ethereal messages,
00:38:28.10\00:38:31.17
that are supposedly
light and truth from heaven
00:38:31.21\00:38:33.81
but this is what
you just quoted...
00:38:33.84\00:38:36.54
the Scripture that
Satan transforms himself
00:38:36.58\00:38:38.85
into an angel of light
00:38:38.88\00:38:40.22
and it is so
deceptive now Yvonne, because...
00:38:40.25\00:38:42.55
that's what I feel God's put on
my heart for "Beware of Angels"
00:38:42.58\00:38:46.96
to use this Bible Study
Group of Bible believers
00:38:46.99\00:38:50.83
who thought they
couldn't be deceived
00:38:50.86\00:38:54.33
ultimately the
lie was so beautiful,
00:38:54.36\00:38:57.73
that they had to disengage
their intelligent faith...
00:38:57.77\00:39:00.70
the things that they
knew the Bible taught
00:39:00.74\00:39:03.10
to the point where they were
asking questions of these beings
00:39:03.14\00:39:06.14
who claimed to be from
heaven and literally...
00:39:06.17\00:39:08.91
they came to
this... they would come
00:39:08.94\00:39:10.85
and they would ask
these angels to come,
00:39:10.88\00:39:12.55
and the angels... sure enough...
eventually started showing up
00:39:12.58\00:39:15.08
and they would...
00:39:15.12\00:39:16.75
and I actually went
to the Police Department
00:39:16.79\00:39:18.85
in Grants Pass, Yvonne,
and they actually allowed me
00:39:18.89\00:39:22.52
to go through ten
boxes of Police evidence,
00:39:22.56\00:39:24.73
from... this murder happened,
by-the-way, in the late 1980s...
00:39:24.76\00:39:28.26
so they kept all the murder...
since it was a murder...
00:39:28.30\00:39:31.27
they kept all the evidence
00:39:31.30\00:39:32.63
and do you
know... I spent four hours
00:39:32.67\00:39:34.07
in the Police
Department, Yvonne,
00:39:34.10\00:39:36.87
and I saw page
after page after page
00:39:36.91\00:39:39.24
and I took more
than 500 pictures
00:39:39.27\00:39:41.61
in the Police Department
00:39:41.64\00:39:42.98
and one of those
pages includes a mini
00:39:43.01\00:39:45.21
"Questions and
Answers to these Angels"
00:39:45.25\00:39:47.65
and do you know these
Seventh-day Adventists
00:39:47.68\00:39:50.59
who know the truth about death
00:39:50.62\00:39:52.12
asked the angels,
"What happens when we die?"
00:39:52.15\00:39:55.32
And would you
be surprised at all
00:39:55.36\00:39:58.19
that these... these beings said,
00:39:58.23\00:40:00.96
"The spirit
returns to God who gave it"
00:40:01.00\00:40:02.80
pretending that
they're quoting Scripture
00:40:02.86\00:40:04.60
and, of course,
that is Scripture
00:40:04.63\00:40:06.97
but we understand
what the Hebrew word
00:40:07.00\00:40:09.60
about "spirit"
means in the Hebrew.
00:40:09.64\00:40:12.04
Yvonne: Right... right...
Chris: It means breath...
00:40:12.07\00:40:14.64
it doesn't mean an
intelligent, conscious entity
00:40:14.68\00:40:17.08
that somehow
separates from our body,
00:40:17.11\00:40:19.05
in fact, the
Viewers may not know this,
00:40:19.08\00:40:20.95
that the belief in the
immortality of the soul
00:40:20.98\00:40:23.72
actually entered...
infiltrated the Christian Church
00:40:23.75\00:40:26.82
around 200 A.D. with
this Gnosticism that came from
00:40:26.86\00:40:29.86
Greek Philosophy, from Plato...
00:40:29.92\00:40:31.89
it was a pagan belief
that began to be promoted
00:40:31.93\00:40:36.43
in the Christian churches,
it was not from Christians
00:40:36.46\00:40:39.23
that this came about
and it slowly made its way
00:40:39.27\00:40:42.77
until it became tradition
00:40:42.80\00:40:44.14
to where Marion apparitions
are all over the place
00:40:44.17\00:40:47.48
and Paganism is truly now...
00:40:47.51\00:40:50.11
and Protestants
don't even realize
00:40:50.15\00:40:53.08
that it's a form of idolatry
00:40:53.11\00:40:55.25
to actually believe that
their loved ones are alive.
00:40:55.28\00:40:58.92
Absolutely,
absolutely, you know...
00:40:58.95\00:41:00.86
you said something, Chris,
that really resonates with me
00:41:00.89\00:41:06.83
and that is that when you
disassociate what Scripture says
00:41:06.86\00:41:12.77
from your experience
you can have a problem
00:41:12.80\00:41:16.07
because the
experience can be deceptive.
00:41:16.10\00:41:20.08
That whole
experience with the angels
00:41:20.11\00:41:24.01
and them beginning to
trust more what they said
00:41:24.05\00:41:27.88
than what the Bible said,
00:41:27.92\00:41:29.32
that's where the
dissonance came in
00:41:29.35\00:41:32.42
and that's... that's something
00:41:32.45\00:41:34.52
that we have to truly guard
against in these last days...
00:41:34.56\00:41:38.49
we have to truly guard
against taking our experience...
00:41:38.53\00:41:42.43
putting our
experience above the Bible...
00:41:42.46\00:41:45.27
Chris: That's right...
00:41:45.30\00:41:46.63
Yvonne: Because the
experience can be a deception
00:41:46.67\00:41:49.47
and if you cannot... if you
don't know the Word well enough
00:41:49.50\00:41:52.64
to test your
experience against the Word...
00:41:52.67\00:41:55.38
you are in trouble,
that's why we're to study
00:41:55.41\00:41:58.05
because otherwise Satan
will... he will deceive us...
00:41:58.08\00:42:01.72
if we're not... if we're
not grounded in that Word
00:42:01.78\00:42:05.39
so what you're
doing is phenomenal.
00:42:05.42\00:42:08.49
Well, I praise God and we
have a movie trailer to show
00:42:08.52\00:42:12.36
for "Beware of
Angels... do you know,
00:42:12.39\00:42:14.56
Adventist Review
is teaming up with us
00:42:14.63\00:42:16.80
to do a
pre-release worldwide screening
00:42:16.83\00:42:18.97
on Halloween Weekend this year
00:42:19.03\00:42:21.74
and so, we're excited to
be able to share this film
00:42:21.77\00:42:24.54
with the world in
its pre-released form
00:42:24.57\00:42:27.84
and hopefully get
the final cut released
00:42:27.88\00:42:30.18
before Christmas
this year, God willing.
00:42:30.21\00:42:32.48
That's tremendous, so let's
take a look at that Trailer.
00:42:32.51\00:42:35.05
Trailer...
00:42:35.08\00:42:46.03
They had prayed to see angels...
00:42:46.06\00:42:47.60
background music...
00:42:47.63\00:42:50.23
more background music...
00:42:50.67\00:43:00.11
God has got a
special job for you...
00:43:00.14\00:43:01.68
beautiful glorious angels...
00:43:01.71\00:43:05.81
Roger Morneau's Grandson:
They will appear to people
00:43:05.85\00:43:09.88
to whatever people
want them to appear as...
00:43:09.95\00:43:12.42
Mr. Charles Disney: I saw this
large saucer-shaped object...
00:43:12.45\00:43:15.99
hovering... I looked again
and sure enough there it was...
00:43:16.02\00:43:19.09
Mr. Will Baron: Eventually,
I had a personal spirit guide
00:43:19.16\00:43:22.53
that appeared to me in an
incredible visionary experience.
00:43:22.56\00:43:25.90
Carol Squier: He now
is presenting himself
00:43:25.93\00:43:28.20
as an angel of light.
00:43:28.24\00:43:29.67
Roger's Grandson: For all
the people I want to talk to...
00:43:29.70\00:43:32.77
dead father or a dead
sister or a dead best friend...
00:43:32.81\00:43:35.71
Mark Cleminson: I
could pierce that veil
00:43:35.74\00:43:37.08
and see these spiritual beings
00:43:37.15\00:43:39.61
that I thought were dead
ancestors who've passed on
00:43:39.65\00:43:42.45
and now have
received these bodies...
00:43:42.48\00:43:45.32
Holly McCutcheon: You didn't
know that you had this power
00:43:45.35\00:43:46.89
to create things and
you didn't know that,
00:43:46.96\00:43:49.79
"Yeah, you're God too... "
00:43:49.82\00:43:51.29
Adam Hendron:
"Who do you serve?"
00:43:51.33\00:43:53.13
I said, "No one... "
00:43:53.16\00:43:54.56
he said, "No... no...
everybody serves somebody
00:43:54.60\00:43:56.87
and who is it going to be?"
00:43:56.90\00:43:58.57
I said, "Well,
myself, I guess... "
00:43:58.60\00:44:00.34
he said, "So be it... "
00:44:00.37\00:44:01.70
I reached out
to Roger Morneau...
00:44:01.74\00:44:09.28
End of Trailer...
00:44:09.31\00:44:19.29
Wow! Tell us about the
people that were on there...
00:44:19.32\00:44:23.83
some of their experiences.
00:44:23.86\00:44:25.39
Yeah... it's... it was
very exciting to finally see
00:44:25.43\00:44:30.10
God show me... how all of these
stories would fit together,
00:44:30.13\00:44:34.20
Yvonne, because you can
see how varied they are,
00:44:34.24\00:44:37.74
Yvonne: Yes.
00:44:37.77\00:44:39.11
Chris: One of them...
the first one that you saw...
00:44:39.14\00:44:40.74
of course, is
Roger's grandson, Michael,
00:44:40.78\00:44:43.68
who gives an
incredible... sort of back-story
00:44:43.75\00:44:46.68
for all the things he
learned from his grandfather
00:44:46.72\00:44:48.92
about last-day deceptions
and then you have these people
00:44:48.98\00:44:53.05
who were
delivered from the occult...
00:44:53.09\00:44:55.92
people like Mark
Cleminson who was a...
00:44:55.96\00:44:58.69
actually he's been
interviewed on 3abn in the past,
00:44:58.76\00:45:01.90
it's a very popular
interview on YouTube,
00:45:01.93\00:45:03.90
he has a dramatic story of
how he learned about the truth
00:45:03.93\00:45:08.14
as it is in
Jesus and about death
00:45:08.17\00:45:10.61
and he became a
Seventh-day Adventist Christian
00:45:10.64\00:45:13.44
and he left that
life and actually...
00:45:13.48\00:45:15.84
the devil tried to kill him,
00:45:15.91\00:45:17.41
he has a very
dramatic deliverance story
00:45:17.45\00:45:19.68
and we re-enacted
that in his backyard
00:45:19.71\00:45:21.88
up in Vermont recently
so that was a real blessing.
00:45:21.92\00:45:25.95
Will Baron is a... was
a former New Age Priest,
00:45:25.99\00:45:30.46
and God delivered him
from a very abusive situation
00:45:30.49\00:45:34.80
where a spirit
guide... and you know,
00:45:34.83\00:45:36.67
you were talking about mysticism
coming into Christian churches,
00:45:36.70\00:45:39.73
that was really coming
into full swing in the 19...
00:45:39.77\00:45:42.84
late '80s... early '90s...
and actually spirit guides were
00:45:42.87\00:45:48.84
actually... impressing Will
to infiltrate Christian churches
00:45:48.88\00:45:54.82
to start teaching
Christian Meditation
00:45:54.88\00:45:57.15
and so he was calling
himself a New Age Christian
00:45:57.19\00:46:00.49
before he even became a
Christian... a real Christian.
00:46:00.52\00:46:04.03
You know, Chris,
00:46:04.06\00:46:05.39
the whole idea of
"Christian Meditation"
00:46:05.43\00:46:09.53
the Bible teaches, of course,
that we are to meditate...
00:46:09.56\00:46:12.80
but it's to
meditate on the Word...
00:46:12.83\00:46:16.17
not empty your
mind and meditate,
00:46:16.20\00:46:19.37
that... you know... it's
so interesting to me that
00:46:19.41\00:46:21.98
there's the true
and the counterfeit.
00:46:22.01\00:46:24.35
God has the truth...
Satan has the counterfeit...
00:46:24.38\00:46:27.35
Satan wants you
to empty your mind
00:46:27.38\00:46:29.92
so that he can fill it...
00:46:29.95\00:46:31.92
the Word... the Bible says that
we are to meditate on the Law
00:46:31.95\00:46:36.89
day and night,
those kinds of things...
00:46:36.93\00:46:39.46
but Satan wants
us to empty the mind
00:46:39.49\00:46:41.96
so, that whole idea
of Christian Meditation,
00:46:42.00\00:46:45.67
it's... it's... it's... it's
an oxymoron because it's not...
00:46:45.73\00:46:50.74
it's like Christian
Transcendental Meditation.
00:46:50.77\00:46:54.74
Yeah, what people don't
realize, that's right, Yvonne,
00:46:54.78\00:46:57.35
what people don't realize
is that they're being sold...
00:46:57.38\00:46:59.88
they're being
sold a bunch of goods
00:46:59.91\00:47:02.78
that ultimately
compromises their... the will...
00:47:02.82\00:47:06.05
the will is what controls
all the decisions and choices
00:47:06.09\00:47:09.42
we make and when
you silence your mind
00:47:09.49\00:47:12.09
and "center down... "
as they like to call it...
00:47:12.16\00:47:15.20
you're actually
altering your conscious state
00:47:15.23\00:47:18.20
to a point where suggestive
thoughts can be inserted
00:47:18.23\00:47:20.97
against your will...
00:47:21.00\00:47:22.34
and you really are in a
vulnerable state mentally...
00:47:22.37\00:47:25.64
because your
subconscious now can be capped
00:47:25.67\00:47:28.91
by other spirits or other
voices and it's in that place
00:47:28.94\00:47:32.58
where they think they can
find and hear God speak to them,
00:47:32.61\00:47:36.25
but, you know,
ultimately, that's...
00:47:36.28\00:47:39.99
that's the truth that
we're trying to get out
00:47:40.02\00:47:41.66
and I'm not sure yet how much
of that we'll be able to cover
00:47:41.72\00:47:44.29
in "Beware of Angels"
but... but it's very exciting
00:47:44.33\00:47:47.16
because I didn't know a
lot about Christian Meditation
00:47:47.20\00:47:50.00
before I started on
this journey, Yvonne,
00:47:50.03\00:47:51.90
and it is... it is shocking
00:47:51.93\00:47:53.74
how "normalized" it's
become in Christianity.
00:47:53.77\00:47:56.71
Absolutely, absolutely,
I'm working on this booklet
00:47:56.74\00:48:01.28
on "What's wrong with
Yoga" I did one on Acupuncture
00:48:01.31\00:48:05.78
and now I'm doing one on Yoga
00:48:05.81\00:48:07.22
and one of the
things that many Christians
00:48:07.25\00:48:10.55
who are
practicing yoga don't know
00:48:10.59\00:48:12.99
are that the
stretches... the poses...
00:48:13.02\00:48:15.32
are actually worship
poses to Hindu gods...
00:48:15.36\00:48:18.56
Right...
00:48:18.59\00:48:20.03
And so, some people will say,
"Oh... it's just stretching...
00:48:20.06\00:48:23.10
but the sequence of those
stretches... the deep breathing,
00:48:23.13\00:48:26.77
they are preparing you
for a spiritual experience
00:48:26.80\00:48:30.77
and that's the release of the
"Kundalini" which is that energy
00:48:30.81\00:48:34.91
so... my...
00:48:34.94\00:48:36.44
Chris: Serpent power...
Yvonne: Serpent, serpent power!
00:48:36.48\00:48:39.95
Chris: That's
what Kundalini means.
00:48:39.98\00:48:41.32
Yvonne: That's
right... that's right...
00:48:41.35\00:48:42.68
and so, when you look at how
there's this... this meshing of
00:48:42.72\00:48:49.49
Eastern Mysticism
and Christianity...
00:48:49.52\00:48:52.06
you know... these are the frogs
00:48:52.09\00:48:54.56
that are talked
about in Revelation...
00:48:54.63\00:48:57.43
the frogs... the evil spirits...
and stuff like that...
00:48:57.47\00:49:00.20
it is to me... we are living
00:49:00.24\00:49:02.97
in such an amazing
time in earth's history
00:49:03.00\00:49:06.64
where Spiritism is at a
peak and Ellen White says...
00:49:06.68\00:49:11.31
it's going to be
in an all-time high...
00:49:11.35\00:49:13.88
and we are
experiencing that right now,
00:49:13.92\00:49:16.22
so this film that you're
doing, this documentary/film
00:49:16.25\00:49:20.79
is just... it's amazing...
00:49:20.82\00:49:23.46
how are people going
to be able to see it,
00:49:23.49\00:49:25.99
how can they access it?
00:49:26.03\00:49:27.36
Well, as I mentioned
a little bit earlier,
00:49:27.40\00:49:30.20
we're planning on doing a
pre-release screening worldwide
00:49:30.23\00:49:33.13
in partnership
with Adventist Review
00:49:33.17\00:49:35.34
on Halloween weekend
00:49:35.37\00:49:36.71
so, if people want to
sign up for our newsletter
00:49:36.74\00:49:39.47
at Lifestreams. org
00:49:39.54\00:49:40.88
they can find out
more about specifics
00:49:40.91\00:49:44.38
in terms of... of that
screening that's coming up
00:49:44.41\00:49:47.02
because it's being
formalized right now
00:49:47.08\00:49:48.68
but also the release dates...
00:49:48.72\00:49:51.09
we are still making plans on the
distribution for this, Yvonne,
00:49:51.12\00:49:54.42
in terms of
whether or not we'll wait
00:49:54.46\00:49:57.26
for a digital platform
release and DVD release
00:49:57.29\00:49:59.76
and first do a road show
where we actually go and meet
00:49:59.79\00:50:03.43
in some of
these cities and towns
00:50:03.47\00:50:05.47
and actually
bring this as a tool
00:50:05.50\00:50:07.30
to help to forge
conversation about Bible truth,
00:50:07.34\00:50:11.37
for these very reasons...
why you're talking about it,
00:50:11.41\00:50:14.98
we're living in the
last times of earth's history
00:50:15.01\00:50:17.81
and people are asleep...
Christians are sleeping
00:50:17.85\00:50:20.62
and Jesus gave us the
parable of the ten virgins
00:50:20.65\00:50:23.35
right after Matthew 24...
00:50:23.39\00:50:25.29
the very next portion of Jesus
speaking is the ten virgins...
00:50:25.32\00:50:30.33
after He gives us the signs
00:50:30.36\00:50:31.96
of the end of the
world, right, Yvonne?
00:50:31.99\00:50:33.33
Yvonne: Yes...
00:50:33.36\00:50:34.70
Chris: So it can't be a...
it can't be a coincidence that
00:50:34.73\00:50:36.73
that it's time for
God's people to wake up
00:50:36.77\00:50:38.33
and pursue a walk with Christ
that they never, ever hungered
00:50:38.37\00:50:44.51
as much as they need to
hunger today for it, Yvonne,
00:50:44.57\00:50:46.41
because you know what?
00:50:46.44\00:50:47.78
Jesus warned us,
"Don't be deceived...
00:50:47.81\00:50:49.91
don't be deceived,
don't be deceived... "
00:50:49.94\00:50:52.21
He kept saying it
over and over and over
00:50:52.25\00:50:54.48
and He said, "By the
way, if it were possible,
00:50:54.52\00:50:57.32
even the very elect
will be deceived... "
00:50:57.35\00:51:00.19
That's right, absolutely,
and that's the thing,
00:51:00.22\00:51:02.12
you know, we... we
just have to keep...
00:51:02.16\00:51:04.63
we have to be
sober and be vigilant,
00:51:04.66\00:51:07.06
as it says in Peter,
"Be sober, and be vigilant;
00:51:07.10\00:51:10.13
because our adversary the
devil, is like a roaring lion,
00:51:10.17\00:51:13.40
seeking who he may devour"
00:51:13.44\00:51:15.17
so... he... we cannot
just put our heads in the sand
00:51:15.20\00:51:19.51
and we also can't practice
syncretism... you know...
00:51:19.54\00:51:22.68
"I'll take a little bit of
this, a little bit of that...
00:51:22.71\00:51:25.81
a little bit of this...
and a little bit of that...
00:51:25.85\00:51:27.18
and make my own thing... "
00:51:27.22\00:51:28.55
no, that's what New Age does...
00:51:28.58\00:51:30.09
"I'll take a
little bit of Buddhism...
00:51:30.12\00:51:32.45
a little bit of Hinduism...
a little bit of Christianity...
00:51:32.49\00:51:34.96
and just kind of mix it all
together and it's my truth. "
00:51:35.02\00:51:37.46
Well, I'm glad that
you mentioned that, Yvonne,
00:51:37.49\00:51:39.69
how much time do
we have left, like...
00:51:39.73\00:51:41.36
Yvonne: We have six...
we have six minutes, yeah.
00:51:41.40\00:51:44.13
Chris: One of the interviews
00:51:44.17\00:51:45.63
is this girl, Holly that
you see in the Trailer...
00:51:45.67\00:51:48.10
she was very
much into the secret
00:51:48.14\00:51:50.27
and New Ageism in the '90s...
00:51:50.31\00:51:52.37
and she had grown
up in a Christian home,
00:51:52.41\00:51:54.64
but that's exactly what
happened to her, Yvonne,
00:51:54.68\00:51:57.01
she started
taking pieces and parts
00:51:57.05\00:51:59.25
of different world views
and putting them together...
00:51:59.28\00:52:01.32
the problem with
all of this is that
00:52:01.35\00:52:03.79
it marginalizes Jesus
00:52:03.82\00:52:05.15
and because the devil
can't get rid of Jesus,
00:52:05.19\00:52:07.86
he has to make Him
one of teachers... like...
00:52:07.89\00:52:11.66
like Buddha, like
Gandhi and Muhammad... right?
00:52:11.69\00:52:15.46
So, they try to make Him
one of the Ascended Masters,
00:52:15.50\00:52:19.30
in their worldview... but
the thing about Christianity
00:52:19.33\00:52:23.10
that's so exciting, Yvonne,
00:52:23.14\00:52:24.47
that they're starting to
call us "Fundamentalists"
00:52:24.51\00:52:27.64
is that... is that we actually
believe that the Bible is true
00:52:27.68\00:52:30.91
and that Jesus really is God
because that's what He claims...
00:52:30.95\00:52:34.78
and so... He can't be...
00:52:34.82\00:52:36.79
He either has to be
who He said He was...
00:52:36.82\00:52:39.35
or He was the greatest liar
00:52:39.39\00:52:41.19
that ever walked
the face of the earth
00:52:41.22\00:52:43.79
and so, the devil
can't have it both ways
00:52:43.83\00:52:46.09
and yet people have been
bamboozled by this "light"
00:52:46.13\00:52:48.93
by this beautiful
package and as I say,
00:52:48.96\00:52:51.23
sometimes the lies
are too "beautiful"
00:52:51.27\00:52:53.54
and as we saw in
"Beware of Angels"
00:52:53.57\00:52:55.84
which this movie
will show the truth,
00:52:55.87\00:52:58.11
behind this Bible Study Group
that fell into Spiritualism,
00:52:58.14\00:53:01.71
they knew the truth
00:53:01.74\00:53:03.08
and yet... the lie
was so beautiful, Yvonne,
00:53:03.11\00:53:05.41
so, we... we're living in an age
00:53:05.45\00:53:09.88
as you said of
syncretism where everything...
00:53:09.92\00:53:12.12
where your truth is your
truth, you choose your own path
00:53:12.15\00:53:14.72
and you create your path...
00:53:14.76\00:53:16.52
and this is the last thing I
would share with Viewers today,
00:53:16.56\00:53:22.16
that makes me so
excited about this...
00:53:22.20\00:53:24.33
this walk we had as Christians,
00:53:24.37\00:53:26.67
what makes
Christianity exclusive
00:53:26.70\00:53:28.97
and completely different,
00:53:29.00\00:53:30.97
it's the only worldview that
00:53:31.01\00:53:32.87
actually can bring
rest to a restless heart
00:53:32.94\00:53:35.11
because this is
the religion, Yvonne,
00:53:35.14\00:53:38.01
that teaches us
that we have a Creator
00:53:38.05\00:53:40.92
that actually planned your days,
00:53:40.95\00:53:42.85
Psalm 139... before
there was one of them,
00:53:42.88\00:53:45.79
He already planned
all the days of your life
00:53:45.85\00:53:48.56
and you're the only one like you
Yvonne, in the whole universe
00:53:48.62\00:53:52.23
is God... is a personal God...
00:53:52.26\00:53:55.03
and that's what
Christianity brings,
00:53:55.06\00:53:56.93
the rest of the syncretism
that we're seeing in the world
00:53:56.97\00:53:59.63
with New Ageism and
this relevant Christianity...
00:53:59.67\00:54:02.77
the Mysticism... it really does
away with the deity of Christ
00:54:02.80\00:54:07.44
and it takes the
personal relationship...
00:54:07.48\00:54:09.94
the intimacy that we
have with our Creator
00:54:10.01\00:54:12.85
completely out of the equation
because Jesus said in John 14,
00:54:12.88\00:54:16.65
"No one comes to the
Father, except through me"
00:54:16.69\00:54:19.09
and what happens
with Christian Meditation
00:54:19.12\00:54:21.49
and all this
Mysticism that's come in,
00:54:21.52\00:54:23.83
is... you don't need
Jesus to talk to God...
00:54:23.86\00:54:26.19
if you "center down" and
go into that altered state,
00:54:26.23\00:54:28.73
you can talk to someone
that you think is God...
00:54:28.76\00:54:31.23
but it's not the
Biblical God, Yvonne.
00:54:31.27\00:54:33.77
Hmmm... you know Chris...
00:54:33.80\00:54:35.80
wow! that is...
that is so deep...
00:54:35.84\00:54:37.87
because when you think about it,
00:54:37.91\00:54:39.87
the other religions
don't encourage that intimacy,
00:54:39.94\00:54:45.18
like you mentioned...
with God, the fact that
00:54:45.21\00:54:47.82
we can have intimacy with
God through Jesus Christ, is...
00:54:47.85\00:54:52.12
that is unique to Christianity.
00:54:52.15\00:54:55.19
What they have essentially
00:54:55.22\00:54:56.83
is a coldness that they
claim is warmth and peace
00:54:56.86\00:55:00.23
but it's a cold peace, Yvonne,
because for them, God is a force
00:55:00.26\00:55:05.17
that's what witches
actually say to each other,
00:55:05.20\00:55:08.17
"May the force be with you"
00:55:08.20\00:55:09.54
and God is an impersonal force
00:55:09.57\00:55:12.67
of which you and
I... and the whole...
00:55:12.71\00:55:14.28
every animal... it's
Pantheism. Yvonne: Right.
00:55:14.31\00:55:16.64
Chris: It's
Paganism... Pantheism...
00:55:16.68\00:55:18.01
Yvonne: Absolutely...
00:55:18.05\00:55:19.38
Chris: And so, for
them, God has no person...
00:55:19.41\00:55:21.65
He's not a
person... He's a "force. "
00:55:21.68\00:55:23.69
Yvonne: Right...
00:55:23.72\00:55:25.05
Chris: And that's a
cold way to live, Yvonne.
00:55:25.09\00:55:26.42
Yvonne: Yes,
well, you know, again...
00:55:26.45\00:55:28.26
if you're asked to search within
00:55:28.29\00:55:31.73
you know, "Go deep
inside yourself... "
00:55:31.76\00:55:34.33
well, I can't do
anything for myself,
00:55:34.36\00:55:36.87
you know what I'm saying, like,
00:55:36.90\00:55:38.83
if my God is me...
I'm in deep trouble
00:55:38.87\00:55:42.84
because what can I do,
you know what I'm saying?
00:55:42.87\00:55:47.71
Chris: Preach on
Sister, that's so true.
00:55:47.74\00:55:49.08
Yvonne: Our God is
great... He lives within us
00:55:49.11\00:55:51.48
but He is... He's
separate from us...
00:55:51.51\00:55:54.82
He is God... He is the
Creator, we're the creatures...
00:55:54.85\00:55:58.25
and the moment we get that
twisted... we are in trouble.
00:55:58.29\00:56:01.69
Tell us what you need,
00:56:01.72\00:56:03.22
what do you need to complete...
you have about a minute...
00:56:03.26\00:56:05.99
to complete this
project, what do you need?
00:56:06.03\00:56:09.16
Well, we're in the middle of
00:56:09.20\00:56:12.20
still paying off
our Scriptwriter...
00:56:12.23\00:56:14.60
our Hollywood Scriptwriter...
00:56:14.64\00:56:15.97
we need $10,000 right
now, Yvonne, to be honest,
00:56:16.00\00:56:19.24
and our script is completed
00:56:19.27\00:56:22.44
and we're in the
process of fundraising,
00:56:22.48\00:56:24.35
if people want
to give us a call,
00:56:24.38\00:56:26.25
can go to our
website... Lifestreams. org
00:56:26.28\00:56:28.65
if God puts it on your heart,
if you're watching, Viewer,
00:56:28.68\00:56:32.15
and you have resources and
you know Jesus is coming soon,
00:56:32.19\00:56:35.49
this is a journey of
films that rips the mask off
00:56:35.52\00:56:39.73
of the deceiver and so
thank you for your prayers,
00:56:39.79\00:56:43.87
thank you for your support,
00:56:43.90\00:56:45.23
it's going to be a
multi-million dollar project,
00:56:45.27\00:56:47.00
this "Charmed by
Darkness" feature film,
00:56:47.04\00:56:49.67
and, of course, we
also have the documentary
00:56:49.70\00:56:52.34
coming out later this
year, "Beware of Angels"
00:56:52.37\00:56:54.31
so, it's been a
long journey, Yvonne,
00:56:54.34\00:56:58.11
and I'm looking forward to the
next projects... God has for me,
00:56:58.15\00:57:01.02
this is very heavy material
but we serve a great God
00:57:01.05\00:57:04.02
and so, I'm very honored to
be able to share with you today.
00:57:04.05\00:57:07.52
Well, we so
appreciate all that you're doing
00:57:07.56\00:57:10.39
and we know that it is
a... it is not an easy journey
00:57:10.43\00:57:15.76
but we also know
that... as you said before,
00:57:15.80\00:57:18.93
we serve a great God who will
protect you during this time
00:57:18.97\00:57:21.97
because you are going...
00:57:22.00\00:57:23.47
you are on the
frontlines, Brother,
00:57:23.51\00:57:26.01
with this... you
know... it's a dark...
00:57:26.04\00:57:28.51
it's a dark place but because
of the light of Jesus Christ,
00:57:28.54\00:57:32.21
you are safe and protected
because the angels of the Lord
00:57:32.25\00:57:35.18
encamp round about them that
fear Him and delivereth them.
00:57:35.22\00:57:38.25
There are people of integrity
that Jesus wants to save
00:57:38.29\00:57:41.26
and they're deceived right now.
00:57:41.29\00:57:43.69
Yes, that's right... and so this
will help to bring them out,
00:57:43.73\00:57:47.40
thank you so much and
may God continue to bless you
00:57:47.43\00:57:49.83
in all that you do.
00:57:49.86\00:57:51.50
Chris: Thank you.
00:57:51.53\00:57:52.87
Yvonne: Pray for Chris...
pray for his projects...
00:57:52.90\00:57:55.30
pray for him please.
00:57:55.34\00:57:56.67
Thank you for
joining us, join us next time
00:57:56.71\00:57:59.47
you know why?
00:57:59.51\00:58:00.84
It wouldn't be
the same without you.
00:58:00.88\00:58:02.64