Stay tuned to meet
a modern day Lazarus
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and his praying wife.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis.
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And I'm Jason Bradley,
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
welcome to Urban Report.
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Our guests today are Doctors
Thomas, and Laverne Jackson,
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Director and
Associate Director respectively
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of M.E.E.T Ministry.
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Welcome to Urban
Report, Doctors Jackson.
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Thank you, Jason.
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Thank you dear. Good to be here.
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I got my co-host
Jason here, yeah.
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And I'm so glad he's
here, so glad you all are here.
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Because we had the
privilege of working together
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on from sickness to health,
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which is another program
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that's on the
Dare to Dream network.
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And during that time
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you were talking
about M.E.E.T Ministry
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and all the...
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your background and all that
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and all that God had
done with M.E.E.T ministry,
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but so much has
happened since then
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and I had to bring
you on to Urban Report
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to talk about what's
happened to you since then.
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So let's start there
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and then we'll work our
way back to your beginnings
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but what happened
when you were in London?
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Well, Yvonne, time has shrunk,
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it's been a year July 17, 2015
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we were
scheduled to be in Nigeria
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on a medical
mission training school.
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And God sees all
things so that was cancer,
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council excuse me
and we were invited to go
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to London for a
two week seminar.
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So went there we board
the plane that Friday morning,
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we landed in London,
England that Friday afternoon.
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And business as
usual we fly all the time.
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Dispatch, get settle in,
fellowship with the people
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that we're going to spend
the next two weeks with meals.
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My wife take a
little walk at the meal,
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come back, sun is
setting, prayer, take a shower
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and Friday evening I lied out.
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And my wife says,
she heard a grunt from me
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and she can push me a
little bit and wake me up,
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and I was there
lying there on my back
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with my eyes wide open
and no breath in my body.
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So she appeared
blank called downstairs,
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we're doing
medical missionary training
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in emergency
situation like that,
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soon a person might be
having a little cardio problem
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get a little cayenne and pepper,
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put on the
tongue, but no response.
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No response and she
can feel you in that part,
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I didn't wake up no
more till seven days later.
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So those seven days, the
story goes in my wife hand.
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Tell us what...
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tell us what happened?
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As he got right
in, got back into bed
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and I heard this noise
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and I asked the
individual to get to,
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get the cayenne and
then when they brought
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the cayenne to me and
I put it in his mouth.
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I noticed it wasn't going in,
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so I knew then
that we needed some
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conventional methods here
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because we couldn't
so she started to do CPR,
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but she was kind of a
little on the small size
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so she was not
actually working real good.
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So we called the paramedics
and there was one come.
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Then after that,
there was another,
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then there was
actually there wind up
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three or four cars there.
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How long did it
take for them to come?
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They came, well, you
know when you have in a crisis
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you don't time is insignificant.
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So my...
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My times in laps that I
was oxygen deprive for my brain
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for 30 minutes.
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But still not in that 30 minutes
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they had to get there,
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plus they had to perform a CPR
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in order to get his
brain back functioning
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and then get him
to the hospital and...
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He wasn't, you took his
pulse could you find the pulse?
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Couldn't find the
pulse, he wasn't breathing?
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He was not breathing at
all, totally no breath at all.
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And so of course,
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I started praying
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and the other
individuals started praying
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but when I got
there they of course
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put me out of the room
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and then we were in a small area
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so there was a upstairs,
we were really upstairs
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so they had to get someone
with a longer cart to be a...
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Of 6'6''.
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Right and they had
the several to lift him
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and to bring him down
the steps to the ambulance.
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And the hospital,
there were two hospitals,
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there was one actually
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within a few
blocks from where we were,
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but they made a decision
to take him to King's Hospital
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which was actually
about 45 minutes away,
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but they got him
there very quick, quickly.
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So there was no breathing.
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Did they say to
you, he was dead?
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No, they did not.
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They didn't want
me to know anything
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so they just told me that
I had to stay out of the room
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and they didn't want
to give me any information
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and then they told me
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they were going
to take him to the...
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they said nearest hospital,
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but by the time they
got him in that ambulance.
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They had breath
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because they had
put some oxygen on him.
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So they did have
some sort in that lapses,
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it was about 30 minutes
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before they could
get him to breathe in
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and then when once
they got him to the hospital
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they and I followed
them in another car,
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and they indicated that
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they didn't know
what was going on.
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They had a
cardiologist come to me
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and tell me that he
didn't have a heart attack
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and they said, he
didn't have a stroke.
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So they said, we're not sure
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but they wanted to do
some kind of special tests
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and the doctor said to
me, "We don't need to do that
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because he didn't
have a heart attack
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and he didn't have a stroke."
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We don't know what's happening
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but he said,
"He's a very sick man."
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My husband has never been sick,
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so here all of a
sudden in a matter of minutes
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he's going to be
totally dependent
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and that once
they got him into ICU,
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they had him hooked up
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to every type of
apparatus you get,
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tubes were everywhere
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and he laid there
like he was just sleeping.
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He didn't look sick or nothing
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but the doctors
say, "He's very sick"
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and so what they did
is they induced a coma
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because they were afraid that
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what would happen
is his brain may swell
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so they put him in a coma
and then they told me that
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we don't know
whether he would come out.
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We don't know
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if he would be a vegetable.
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So, but they had to
do what they had to do.
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How...
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You guys are in
natural medicine.
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So this whole
thing had to be so,
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just such a shift for you
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because he was not
sick prior to this,
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everything was going fine.
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And then all of a sudden
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he's caught up
into that whole system
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of all the meds and
all the interventions
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which we're not saying
that they're never useful
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but obviously they are,
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but it's just a shift
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from that total natural
into the total allopathic
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and it had to be just,
it's so traumatic for you.
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It was
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It was so sudden
and just so traumatic.
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And the doctor said that
you're going to be dependent.
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Well, as they share with my wife
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and she go through
this that they didn't see
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no way I was gonna live anyway
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and if I did live I
would be a vegetable,
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couldn't talk, couldn't walk.
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And so the time was up so
he was trying to convince,
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you know we go
into the pro help,
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and as Yvonne says that
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as things are beyond our control
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so far as the intervention.
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You know it was
seven days when I woke up,
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holding my wife hand.
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And I woke up
not looking around,
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not questioning
what happened to me.
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None, that was
not even on the mind.
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I woke up praying for
the people in that place.
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Now remember, I'm coming out of,
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out of nowhere of asleep.
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There were three people in that,
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in that city country London
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that died from this situation,
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a cricket
player, a soccer player
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and a gentleman died
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one day before his
wedding, Methodist.
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and so when I woke
up I woke up praying.
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I did not wake up
questioning what happened
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and then I wake
up and you know I'm,
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I'm into health and
I've been doing this
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for these many years.
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That never
crossed my mind and...
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But how were you aware
of anything around you.
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Yeah.
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And that's where the
journey really began.
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Like I said, when I woke up
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and you were over there.
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When I woke up, I woke up,
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Yvonne, in a praying mode.
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Now there's only one source
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that could come from God
had to download that into me,
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I didn't wake up in a panic,
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I didn't wake up with remorse.
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I didn't wake up questioning.
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I wake up, I woke up
praying not for myself,
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that's another not for myself
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and I could not
talk, I could not walk.
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As my wife, bless her heart,
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her seven days the
reports have kept coming
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because you know time
is running out for them.
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So it's nothing
else they can do,
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you know, they get their wiring,
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if I wasn't going to
wake up out of the induce
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but see 30 minutes of
oxygen deprivation to the brain.
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We know three to five minutes
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is irreparable brain damage.
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Brain damage. Brain damage.
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Irreparable. Yes, yes.
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So...
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But let me go
back for one second,
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because it dawned on me,
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what when Dr.
Laverne heard your grunt
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just before that
what happened to you?
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Just before that,
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well Yvonne, as usual,
that's what I asked my wife.
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He got up from the bed
and went to the bathroom
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came back from the bathroom,
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got into bed and
then there was this grunt.
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Now normally I'm told
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when he's there
I'm totally sleep.
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You know I'm, I'm not aware but,
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I believe and feel that
it was the Holy Spirit's
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unctioning to
hear him at that moment
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because as soon as I heard it,
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I said, that
doesn't sound right.
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And so I pushed
him and I called to him
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and then he wouldn't answer,
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it was total dark in the room
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because there was no light,
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so I got up to turn the light on
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and then that's when I
saw that his eyes was open
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and he wasn't breathing at all.
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And so that's when I started to,
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to I was praying all
along because I couldn't,
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to me it looked like
it was a heart attack.
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Right.
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You know that's
what it looked like.
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But I could not tell from there.
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That's why we thought well
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cayenne pepper would be the best
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because it would be
a, you know, helps to...
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Helps to dilute it.
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Yeah, and it would help there.
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I didn't
question, once I saw that
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what we were
doing was not effective.
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I didn't
question as to you know,
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oh, should we go to the doctor?
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Or what are
people going to think?
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I didn't question that.
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I knew that I
needed some intervention
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and I knew that I
would be able to have that...
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This way and so that's
what you know that's the way.
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And look at how good God is
because you walked in here fine
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and you got a firm hand
shake, you're walking fine,
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you have all your faculties...
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Oh, brother. I
mean, God is amazing.
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Yes.
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More than
amazing, Jason, more and...
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He is miraculous really.
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So you woke up
after those seven days...
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That's right on the Sabbath.
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Oh, come on now.
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Holding my wife... Yes.
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Come on now, oh...
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Blessed day, yes.
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I woke up and my mind,
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looked at her as I smiled
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and I just
thought I mean prayer,
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folks, mourning, groaning,
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and after that
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then God began to communicate.
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I say communicate.
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Satan communicates too
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but God
communicates through his word.
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Oh, yeah.
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And that's when God
began to give me some clarity.
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Even up until that point,
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I still did not
question what happened to me.
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What took place
and I like to say this,
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I know our time
will run out but I will,
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I'm humbled for the
fact you know people folks,
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people at 3ABN
but the prayers...
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That went up.
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That went around the world...
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That's right.
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You're not conscious of
that fact as you travel,
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I've been in
this work the day one,
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I was called into this
ministry as of 40 years.
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I've been into
this work 40 years,
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and God said,
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"You cast your bread upon
many waters is your return,"
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as my wife relayed a story
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here we are in
a foreign country.
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No money etcetera, etcetera,
you know, I never forget.
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And that's the other thing,
you're in a foreign country.
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Different currency. Yes, indeed.
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Not around your family.
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It bring a lot of
dynamics into place,
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a lot of dynamics
and for those seven days
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you know I'm resting.
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Jason, I'm resting, I
don't know what's going on.
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So the battle with
my wife and a Lord,
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I'm not even
conscious of what's going on
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but she can tell
you, the Lord provide,
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the conference presidents,
people came to my bedside.
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I've been to before.
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Prayers go on from people
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who don't know me
through other people family.
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Our daughter flew over there.
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Spiritual son,
pastor, he flew over there,
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so that was very humbling.
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People come up and
they were praying specific
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not just general, you know,
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they are
praying specific prayers
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and so when I did wake up
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when the Lord
touched me and woke me up.
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And he began to bring four...
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three precious texts
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that were all for me
were in a word of God
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three precious texts.
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Like I said,
I've been in this work
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for 40 years, in a prefaces,
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I've been in his
work for 40 years,
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Yvonne and Jason, my wife and I,
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we from Chicago to Alabama.
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I would say to a lot
of us as we into ministry
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there's a lot of
sacrifice one would say
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and time would not
permit all that would happen.
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But I would assume
that I had really given
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all to the Lord 180 percent,
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my wife knows and those with me.
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I've seen
people in the ministry.
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I've seen people with AIDS,
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I worked with full blown
AIDS with viral load below 25.
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I've seen God snatched him
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from the paws of
death, cancer reversed.
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I've had people die in my arms.
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I've been in the jungles
of Africa and Papa New Guinea.
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I've been on every continent
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except for South
Pole and North Pole,
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every state in United States,
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and I just assume
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I'm saying this for a reason
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and I pray that it resonate
with those who listen this.
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I assume that God had all of me.
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I never look back
even in troublous time,
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my wife can tell you.
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Troublous time, agonized time
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with associates
and churches, etcetera.
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And as I lay there
gave me Proverbs Chapter 4,
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very familiar
text verse 20 to 23
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and 23 says what,
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"Keep thy heart
with all diligence,
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For out of it comes
the issues of life."
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That was the first one.
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The second was Jeremiah 17:9,
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"The heart is
deceitful, desperately wicked,
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who can know it?"
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Then he turned
me over this is God,
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I'm lying there,
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as he woke me up,
then he download to me
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Ezekiel 36, he
started at verse 21.
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But you know verse 24, he said,
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"I'm gonna take that stony heart
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and give you a heart of flesh."
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Now these scriptures
all dealt with the heart,
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you know, and it's my heart.
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And he began to
speak, reach in and he said,
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"I'm not going
to fix your heart,
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I'm not going to
repair your heart."
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that's what he
said to me, he said,
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"I'm gonna give you a new heart.
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And these words, I'm
gonna give you a heart
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with the capacity
to hold my Spirit."
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I'm lying there, these words,
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the final words he said to me,
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"Tuesday resonated."
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He said, "Surrender."
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Did you hear
what I'm just saying?
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I've been in this work 40 years.
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Yes, yes.
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I have moved
forward in his work.
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My wife can tell you,
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we've been married for 44 years.
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Amen.
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I never deviated in
the areas of my health.
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Yes, there have been
troubles, my brothers etcetera.
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Never once give up,
never once even doubt it.
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Never thought that
you weren't surrendered?
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That is the key. Yes.
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That is very important
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and this, what I see throughout
God's church in ministries,
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those of us in
responsible position as leaders.
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We have seen the
tokens of God blessing
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and when that came to me
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and reflect on Jeremiah 17,
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"The heart is
deceitful, desperately wicked."
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Yvonne, Jason, we
were out doing good things.
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I mean good things
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not evil things.
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I was not conniving, slipshod,
00:20:01.80\00:20:07.54
straight up the
board, good things,
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and then he sprinkled
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something else on the plate.
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I told you I've
seen AIDS reverse,
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I've seen cancer my 40 years,
00:20:21.55\00:20:22.92
I've been in the
jungles of Africa etc, etc.
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He said, "Son,
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when are you
going to come to me."
00:20:26.72\00:20:28.52
I said, "Lord, have we not
cast out demons in your name."
00:20:28.56\00:20:33.66
then he would say,
00:20:33.70\00:20:35.00
"I knew not you,
workers of inequity."
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Now listen to me,
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I'm not our here chasing women,
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I'm not out here
drinking, I'm not out here
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and I just lie there,
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I couldn't move
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God had me in a
place where he wanted me.
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Did you hear me, Jason?
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Yeah, you're full of tension.
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Yes.
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I'm not a person lost for words.
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I grew up that way
leadership position.
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Two things God
revealed to me in there.
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Number one, I like
to fix people lives.
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I've been like that,
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we come out of the
ghettos of Chicago.
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I passion with
the inner city youth.
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I like to fix people lives.
00:21:19.27\00:21:22.11
I've always been in
a leadership position
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from elementary school through
junior high to high school,
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even to college.
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And God said,
just sprinkle he said,
00:21:33.25\00:21:36.26
"Even though you've
given me 99.99 percent
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that 1.1 percent
are you still too much."
00:21:42.66\00:21:47.90
He says, "Either all or not son"
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that's what he told me.
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And the rest of the story
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I will talk later how
I began to dawn those.
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And I discover, Yvonne,
00:22:01.18\00:22:04.59
that though,
00:22:04.62\00:22:07.49
I know going places,
00:22:07.56\00:22:10.06
I never sought to
exalt myself you know.
00:22:10.13\00:22:13.29
I never imposed
myself, when people say,
00:22:13.33\00:22:15.20
will you invite me?
00:22:15.23\00:22:16.73
40 years, I never
invited myself to go to places.
00:22:16.77\00:22:21.24
So I'm just, you
know, take an invitatory.
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God said,
"Surrender" and I realize.
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Yeah, I'd like to put
my hands on the wheel.
00:22:29.54\00:22:33.52
I like to direct,
00:22:33.58\00:22:36.65
but thinking it's a good thing
00:22:36.69\00:22:38.49
because it is for a cause
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and then he gave me a
simple formula three P's,
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three P's a simple
formula to make it plain to me.
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Many Christians
especially this movement
00:22:50.83\00:22:54.47
we confuse our
part in God's part,
00:22:54.50\00:22:59.44
we mix them up.
00:22:59.47\00:23:01.94
Would you listen to me, we do,
00:23:01.98\00:23:04.61
we still living in Bible days.
00:23:04.65\00:23:08.52
My situation, it
might not have been me
00:23:08.55\00:23:11.52
but we can expect God do this.
00:23:11.55\00:23:14.56
But he gave me a simple formula
00:23:14.59\00:23:16.76
I just did a four
part series last month,
00:23:16.83\00:23:19.63
a DVD on this,
00:23:19.66\00:23:21.50
because he took me to John 15.
00:23:21.53\00:23:23.93
They are my friend
once I get John 15,
00:23:23.97\00:23:25.87
then David, Pastor
Dave was on your show
00:23:25.90\00:23:29.70
where he have marriage--
he's one of our moderators,
00:23:29.74\00:23:33.07
then he would share
things they've been learning,
00:23:33.11\00:23:35.44
John 15, God was
download in John 15,
00:23:35.48\00:23:38.51
the vine and the branch.
00:23:38.55\00:23:40.12
But he gave me a simple formula
00:23:40.18\00:23:41.95
three P's three P's to help me
00:23:41.98\00:23:45.75
to gain clarity on my
part in this work of salvation.
00:23:45.79\00:23:52.03
The first P, the
plan, the plan, P-L-A-N.
00:23:52.06\00:23:55.86
The second P, the power.
00:23:55.90\00:23:58.30
The third P, the person.
00:23:58.33\00:24:00.44
The plan, the
power, and the person.
00:24:00.47\00:24:02.87
Okay now break each one down.
00:24:02.90\00:24:04.61
I will break it down.
00:24:04.64\00:24:05.97
Now add all those
three P's it would define
00:24:06.01\00:24:09.44
what is God exclusive
role in the plan of salvation
00:24:09.48\00:24:15.05
and what my role is,
so won't be no confusion.
00:24:15.08\00:24:18.72
You understand what I'm saying.
00:24:18.75\00:24:20.09
I want to be plain,
00:24:20.16\00:24:21.49
I want your audience to
understand what I'm saying.
00:24:21.52\00:24:22.96
Now God by right
he owns everything,
00:24:22.99\00:24:27.10
but in this
overall plan of salvation,
00:24:27.13\00:24:30.73
He give us a exclusive role
00:24:30.77\00:24:34.27
that He would
not impose Himself.
00:24:34.30\00:24:37.81
You're getting what I'm saying.
00:24:37.84\00:24:39.17
So out of those three P's,
00:24:39.21\00:24:40.98
let me just throw it at
you and Jason for a while.
00:24:41.01\00:24:44.31
Out of those three P's
which of those P's one or two,
00:24:44.35\00:24:49.08
all of them
belongs exclusive to God
00:24:49.12\00:24:54.02
in him working out
the salvation for us,
00:24:54.06\00:24:56.69
what do you think?
Definitely, the power.
00:24:56.73\00:24:58.13
All right.
00:24:58.16\00:24:59.49
We all agree with that.
00:24:59.53\00:25:00.93
Go ahead, any other one?
00:25:00.96\00:25:02.50
I'll say, all of them belong...
00:25:02.53\00:25:03.87
Yeah.
00:25:03.90\00:25:05.70
I phrase it, paraphrase,
00:25:05.73\00:25:08.30
I preface that exclusive.
00:25:08.34\00:25:10.74
Now remember I said
that, "All of belong to God."
00:25:10.81\00:25:13.31
He's sovereign.
00:25:13.38\00:25:14.78
But exclusive
that is just his part
00:25:14.81\00:25:19.01
and we have
nothing to do with it.
00:25:19.05\00:25:21.12
You getting what I'm saying.
00:25:21.15\00:25:22.48
We have nothing to
do with his part at all.
00:25:22.52\00:25:26.15
The power and the plan,
00:25:26.19\00:25:29.36
those two P's
belong exclusive to God
00:25:29.39\00:25:33.90
and that's where not just me,
00:25:33.93\00:25:36.97
but as I travel
and as I look back
00:25:37.03\00:25:38.77
on my 40 years of
working with folks
00:25:38.80\00:25:41.07
that is a key problem.
00:25:41.10\00:25:42.44
We've been in this world,
00:25:42.47\00:25:44.54
this movement longer than
00:25:44.57\00:25:46.88
God wants us to
be in this movement.
00:25:46.94\00:25:50.41
In this movement
if you understand
00:25:50.45\00:25:51.78
what I'm saying longer
00:25:51.81\00:25:53.42
in the fourth
generation since 1844.
00:25:53.48\00:25:56.35
And the fact is that
God look at the world today.
00:25:56.38\00:26:00.42
You know you're share,
00:26:00.49\00:26:02.76
the calamities,
the more decadence,
00:26:02.79\00:26:05.63
the crime,
climatic, we go on and on,
00:26:05.66\00:26:08.43
when I start out
00:26:08.46\00:26:09.80
I'm in a whole
new generation here.
00:26:09.83\00:26:11.67
So I learn so God has
an exclusive plan for us,
00:26:11.70\00:26:15.80
that plan incorporates
every aspect of our lives.
00:26:15.84\00:26:21.04
You know, okay as before
we came on the show here,
00:26:21.08\00:26:24.55
you know plan.
00:26:24.58\00:26:25.91
Plan for marriage,
plan for occupation,
00:26:25.95\00:26:28.75
plan for
education, finances, ministry,
00:26:28.78\00:26:32.32
that is exclusive God's plan.
00:26:32.35\00:26:35.12
He has it.
00:26:35.16\00:26:36.49
He describes it in
His Word and inspiration.
00:26:36.52\00:26:40.93
We don't have to go
to God with your plan.
00:26:40.96\00:26:45.30
Ask him to endorse your plan.
00:26:45.33\00:26:48.40
That's what I did for 40 years.
00:26:48.44\00:26:50.77
In allude to fact it was
to help further his work.
00:26:50.81\00:26:54.74
That's what so good about it,
00:26:54.78\00:26:56.11
"Hey this is God's work."
00:26:56.14\00:26:57.51
I'm asking God
to bless this plan
00:26:57.55\00:27:00.05
because it's going
to extend his work.
00:27:00.08\00:27:02.35
You get what I'm saying. I do.
00:27:02.38\00:27:03.72
That is the
deception on our part.
00:27:03.75\00:27:06.72
He has the power, the
power not only the power
00:27:06.79\00:27:11.03
for grace to me he executes plan
00:27:11.06\00:27:13.83
but that power
embrace the resources
00:27:13.86\00:27:16.50
to carry his plan.
00:27:16.53\00:27:17.87
I remember you know how does,
00:27:17.90\00:27:19.23
how does ministry of 3ABN start,
00:27:19.27\00:27:20.94
but the point is like ministry
00:27:20.97\00:27:22.57
the resources, plan,
power that's exclusive.
00:27:22.60\00:27:27.51
This what God is
downloading to me
00:27:27.58\00:27:30.15
to move me to another level,
00:27:30.18\00:27:32.05
the person is the third P.
00:27:32.08\00:27:34.38
Now what's the
role of that person.
00:27:34.42\00:27:36.45
The person willing, willing.
00:27:36.48\00:27:40.26
Now remember God
is not going to make
00:27:40.29\00:27:41.96
going to force his will,
00:27:41.99\00:27:43.46
willing to submit
and commit to his plan
00:27:43.53\00:27:48.90
and to be recipient of his power
00:27:48.93\00:27:51.60
to carry out His will.
00:27:51.63\00:27:55.14
So the person's job is,
00:27:55.17\00:27:58.64
is actually submission
00:27:58.67\00:28:01.68
and yielding the will to God,
00:28:01.71\00:28:05.18
is that what you're saying?
00:28:05.21\00:28:06.55
That's right,
John 15 bring this up
00:28:06.58\00:28:08.32
perfectly clear to me,
00:28:08.35\00:28:10.82
and we don't have time but
you read a book with clarity.
00:28:10.85\00:28:15.32
When I came back home
00:28:15.36\00:28:16.96
and I picked a
book Mount of Blessings.
00:28:16.99\00:28:20.36
It says, "For me
your truths will burst
00:28:20.43\00:28:24.07
on the scene like bright light."
00:28:24.10\00:28:25.57
For me your truth,
00:28:25.60\00:28:27.07
so what we're talking
about is nothing new light.
00:28:27.14\00:28:29.54
It's not, God is not
going to give us new,
00:28:29.57\00:28:31.47
it's there,
00:28:31.51\00:28:33.21
it says that it
burst forth on the scene
00:28:33.24\00:28:35.11
were like a burst of
light and with greater clarity.
00:28:35.14\00:28:40.52
So in this experience
greater clarity came to me.
00:28:40.55\00:28:46.76
Look at that and look at that
00:28:46.79\00:28:48.12
after 30 minutes
of oxygen deprivation,
00:28:48.16\00:28:52.86
God gave you greater clarity.
00:28:52.89\00:28:56.26
Greater clarity.
00:28:56.30\00:28:58.40
Of his truths and His Word.
00:28:58.43\00:29:00.20
That's right. And his plan.
00:29:00.27\00:29:01.60
That's right. Amen.
00:29:01.64\00:29:02.97
That's, that is key,
his plan, his power...
00:29:03.00\00:29:06.07
His power and all
he need is the person
00:29:06.11\00:29:09.34
and the fact that,
Yvonne, for 40 years
00:29:09.38\00:29:11.55
and God gave us a sprinkle.
00:29:11.58\00:29:12.91
You know M.E.E.T
ministry only when I started off
00:29:12.95\00:29:17.22
we started off,
with elementary school.
00:29:17.25\00:29:19.79
Tell us about M.E.E.T?
00:29:19.82\00:29:21.16
Well, M.E.E.T
Ministry is the acronym M.E.E.T
00:29:21.19\00:29:24.99
Amos 4:12,
"Prepare to meet your God."
00:29:25.03\00:29:29.80
In that acronym stands for
00:29:29.83\00:29:32.40
Missionary, Education
and Evangelistic Training
00:29:32.43\00:29:37.01
combining the
gospel with the help.
00:29:37.04\00:29:40.38
We found out that
Christ method alone
00:29:40.41\00:29:44.75
were true success to ministry.
00:29:44.78\00:29:46.92
You cannot separate the
physical, the spiritual,
00:29:46.95\00:29:50.72
nor the mental.
00:29:50.79\00:29:53.12
So M.E.E.T
Ministry is multifaceted,
00:29:53.15\00:29:55.19
we operate a Gospel
Medical Mission Training School
00:29:55.22\00:29:59.09
there on the campus.
00:29:59.13\00:30:00.50
It's out in western
Tennessee 30 acres land small.
00:30:00.53\00:30:03.53
We have a lifestyle
center, been going for 20 years,
00:30:03.57\00:30:06.70
where people come from all
00:30:06.74\00:30:08.30
with all kinds
of sickness and etc.
00:30:08.34\00:30:10.87
We have a smart
gardening program
00:30:10.91\00:30:13.98
which will become an industry
I call it smart gardening
00:30:14.04\00:30:16.21
because we free, we free
00:30:16.24\00:30:20.38
in a canvassing program.
00:30:20.42\00:30:24.79
We publish, we publish books,
00:30:24.82\00:30:28.06
have books and the fact is that
00:30:28.09\00:30:30.96
strong evangelistic
outreach that we do.
00:30:30.99\00:30:34.13
You have a
website and... Website.
00:30:34.20\00:30:36.23
And now folks to
your website. Right.
00:30:36.26\00:30:38.07
It's www...
00:30:38.10\00:30:40.30
MeetMinistry.org.
00:30:40.37\00:30:43.34
MeetMinistry.org
00:30:43.37\00:30:45.11
And it's up on the
screen. Yes, upon yes.
00:30:45.14\00:30:47.11
We'll be able to go there.
00:30:47.14\00:30:48.48
So we've been doing that,
00:30:48.51\00:30:49.84
the ministry been existing
for 28 years prior to that,
00:30:49.88\00:30:53.45
we were conducting, we
ran a health food store.
00:30:53.48\00:30:56.85
I've been probably
rephrase a self supporting work,
00:30:56.92\00:31:00.19
it's on television.
00:31:00.26\00:31:02.22
I just show up on the scene,
00:31:02.26\00:31:04.39
so the ministry had
been established for 20 years
00:31:04.43\00:31:07.10
and that's remarkable in itself,
00:31:07.13\00:31:10.93
God has kept it.
00:31:10.97\00:31:12.37
You know small ministry,
00:31:12.40\00:31:13.74
we got about 18
full time worker there.
00:31:13.80\00:31:17.07
God call my wife
and I into the ministry
00:31:17.11\00:31:19.87
and I've read inspired
writings on self supporting.
00:31:19.91\00:31:25.18
Wonderful information on,
00:31:25.21\00:31:27.72
what the education
work should look like,
00:31:27.75\00:31:30.35
and my professional
background is a teacher
00:31:30.39\00:31:34.39
and so God just took that
00:31:34.42\00:31:35.89
and put it in a
different framework.
00:31:35.92\00:31:38.73
So that's how we end up.
00:31:38.76\00:31:40.10
And that's what we're doing,
00:31:40.16\00:31:41.46
and it's been going on
00:31:41.50\00:31:43.80
and this
experience July 17, 2015,
00:31:43.83\00:31:49.00
has impacted our
lives more than the 40 years
00:31:49.04\00:31:53.74
that I've been in this work.
00:31:53.81\00:31:55.14
I believe it.
00:31:55.18\00:31:56.51
The reason that that.
00:31:56.54\00:31:57.88
Yes, I love to
see people get well.
00:31:57.91\00:32:00.52
But I found out a
ministry like our was
00:32:00.55\00:32:04.45
that we can become
dispensers of information
00:32:04.49\00:32:08.09
but not stainable.
00:32:08.12\00:32:10.66
Do you understand
what I'm saying, Jason?
00:32:10.73\00:32:12.06
People in ministry need
to be ministered to as well.
00:32:12.09\00:32:14.73
Amen, amen.
00:32:14.76\00:32:16.20
You're teaching and
preaching everybody else,
00:32:16.23\00:32:18.13
but you have to take time too.
00:32:18.17\00:32:20.80
And you're so clear
that and this is why I'm
00:32:20.84\00:32:23.17
and that's to me is
very, very key, Jason,
00:32:23.20\00:32:28.44
that we think we
are like islands,
00:32:28.48\00:32:31.78
every man to his own tent.
00:32:31.81\00:32:34.72
You see the human body
gives us a clear understanding
00:32:34.75\00:32:38.89
of how the body
works synergistically,
00:32:38.92\00:32:41.99
one sail but does not stand
independent of other sails.
00:32:42.02\00:32:48.20
You getting what I'm saying.
00:32:48.23\00:32:49.56
And they're very supportive.
00:32:49.60\00:32:51.67
And now, here I am, you know,
00:32:51.70\00:32:54.80
I'm at the what you call
00:32:54.84\00:32:56.74
the old age of the youth,
00:32:56.77\00:33:00.68
you know when you reach 40.
00:33:00.71\00:33:02.88
Now your age is
youth, when you reach my age,
00:33:02.91\00:33:04.58
you old age of
the youth, so anyway.
00:33:04.61\00:33:08.38
So I need to
encourage men working on a,
00:33:08.42\00:33:13.86
you know, a curriculum
called Biblical truth,
00:33:13.89\00:33:15.99
Biblical leadership in
my 40 years what it takes.
00:33:16.02\00:33:19.36
There's a difference between
leadership and management.
00:33:19.39\00:33:23.06
Leader need to
know what management
00:33:23.10\00:33:24.97
but leadership
goes beyond managing,
00:33:25.00\00:33:27.97
it's very important.
00:33:28.00\00:33:29.34
But when God woke me
up with that experience
00:33:29.37\00:33:31.41
and as I began to
delve into John 15,
00:33:31.44\00:33:36.28
I look back, I said,
I've read this 100 of times.
00:33:36.31\00:33:39.75
John is one of my favorite books
00:33:39.78\00:33:41.98
but when I begin to read
that verse, those verses.
00:33:42.02\00:33:45.49
Then I got down to
verse 5 Jesus said,
00:33:45.52\00:33:49.79
"I'm the vine and
you are the branch."
00:33:49.82\00:33:52.69
Then this what hit me,
00:33:52.73\00:33:54.30
without me you can do nothing.
00:33:54.36\00:33:59.80
Have you read that? Oh, yeah.
00:33:59.83\00:34:01.24
Have you read that? Yes.
00:34:01.27\00:34:02.60
Okay, but I don't know
what goes on your head,
00:34:02.64\00:34:04.57
but I know as I
travel and inner me go now.
00:34:04.61\00:34:07.31
I said, "What does
that nothing means?"
00:34:07.38\00:34:11.21
Nothing?
00:34:11.25\00:34:12.78
Nothing means nothing.
00:34:12.81\00:34:14.15
Nothing, you can't tie your shoe
00:34:14.22\00:34:16.72
if God didn't
give you the grace.
00:34:16.79\00:34:18.79
But it need to
resonate with, Yvonne,
00:34:18.82\00:34:20.79
because God is
ready to wind his work up.
00:34:20.86\00:34:23.63
He's looking for
people that he can trust
00:34:23.66\00:34:26.90
wholeheartedly with his spirit.
00:34:26.93\00:34:29.83
I'm serious I see that.
00:34:29.86\00:34:32.03
And so when I said nothing.
00:34:32.07\00:34:34.54
Then I'm
dissecting the Scripture
00:34:34.57\00:34:36.71
and when he says,
00:34:36.77\00:34:38.11
"I'm the the true vine."
00:34:38.14\00:34:40.04
That's what he said in John 51,
00:34:40.08\00:34:42.64
and I read that
before true vine.
00:34:42.68\00:34:44.31
I'm thinking, okay,
there's counterfeits out here
00:34:44.35\00:34:46.88
but I learned how to
study scripture contextually
00:34:46.92\00:34:50.09
Jesus just, just got
finished with the upper room.
00:34:50.15\00:34:54.36
John 14.
00:34:54.39\00:34:55.72
He was trying to prepare
his disciples for crisis.
00:34:55.76\00:34:59.96
You know in a crisis
00:35:00.06\00:35:01.36
he's getting
ready to go to death,
00:35:01.40\00:35:02.83
but they don't
think he is going to die.
00:35:02.86\00:35:05.33
We can really
prepare for a crisis
00:35:05.37\00:35:07.80
coming upon this earth
00:35:07.84\00:35:10.31
and we're not ready for it.
00:35:10.34\00:35:11.67
So Jesus was trying to get
them ready for this crisis.
00:35:11.71\00:35:15.21
So he said "I'm the true vine."
00:35:15.24\00:35:18.95
he didn't say, I'm the vine.
00:35:18.98\00:35:20.62
So when I read it before.
00:35:20.65\00:35:21.98
Maybe that's counterfeit.
00:35:22.02\00:35:23.35
No, he was talking to his church
00:35:23.39\00:35:26.45
because Israel knew
that God planted a vineyard
00:35:26.49\00:35:29.79
and they were the vineyard,
00:35:29.82\00:35:31.36
so the disciple
thought they were the vine.
00:35:31.39\00:35:35.50
I asked people and I'd say,
00:35:35.53\00:35:36.87
why did Jesus say
he is the true vine,
00:35:36.93\00:35:39.07
because there's counterfeit.
00:35:39.10\00:35:40.44
He was talking
directly to his church
00:35:40.50\00:35:42.64
because they thought
that they were the vine.
00:35:42.67\00:35:47.04
You get what I'm saying.
00:35:47.08\00:35:48.41
He was the vine.
00:35:48.44\00:35:49.88
I'm the true vine and
my father is the husband
00:35:49.91\00:35:52.88
bring out upon the husband
00:35:52.91\00:35:54.88
and he the one
that tents the vineyard.
00:35:54.92\00:35:58.12
He's the one to take care.
00:35:58.15\00:35:59.52
He's one that prune it.
00:35:59.55\00:36:01.22
Then he said in
verse 2, he says,
00:36:01.26\00:36:04.66
"Every branch in me
00:36:04.69\00:36:07.66
that does not bear
fruit I take it away."
00:36:07.73\00:36:10.87
Okay, I'm going get to
a question then he says,
00:36:10.90\00:36:13.87
in the same verse, he said,
00:36:13.94\00:36:15.27
"Every branch in me
that bear fruit I purge,"
00:36:15.30\00:36:21.11
I purge for what reason?
00:36:21.14\00:36:24.25
To bear more fruit.
00:36:24.28\00:36:27.62
You hear it. Now
here's my question.
00:36:27.65\00:36:31.12
What does God and you had
a wide listening audience,
00:36:31.15\00:36:34.69
of course you get
theologians listen to it,
00:36:34.72\00:36:37.63
doctors and florists.
00:36:37.66\00:36:41.13
What does God
choose to purge us Trials.
00:36:41.16\00:36:47.50
All right, that's right.
00:36:47.54\00:36:49.44
And that's what your
audience will say too.
00:36:49.47\00:36:52.41
Look at verse 3 John 15.
00:36:52.44\00:36:55.74
God says,
00:36:55.78\00:36:57.41
"You are clean through the word,
00:36:57.45\00:37:01.45
you are clean through the word,"
00:37:01.48\00:37:04.89
Hebrews 4:12 says,
00:37:04.92\00:37:06.89
"The word is like
a twoedged sword."
00:37:06.92\00:37:10.36
It cuts, it gets to
the what very bone marrow.
00:37:10.39\00:37:15.60
God said in Psalms 50:1
and this become more clarity,
00:37:15.63\00:37:19.60
"Purge me with his word."
00:37:19.63\00:37:22.57
John 17:17,
00:37:22.60\00:37:25.07
"Sanctify them by that
word, the word is true."
00:37:25.11\00:37:28.24
We are cleansed
through the word.
00:37:28.28\00:37:31.28
Now follow me.
00:37:31.31\00:37:32.65
So here we have
my wife go through,
00:37:32.68\00:37:36.12
while I'm seven day resting,
she's going through a trial.
00:37:36.15\00:37:40.76
Oh, yeah.
00:37:40.79\00:37:42.12
No money,
00:37:42.16\00:37:45.16
hospital, situation,
00:37:45.19\00:37:48.73
husband whether he gonna
00:37:48.76\00:37:52.17
wake or not, that's a trial.
00:37:52.20\00:37:56.81
But as, as we said,
00:37:56.87\00:37:59.57
those who were with my wife
00:37:59.61\00:38:02.08
that one moment she
held on to the word.
00:38:02.11\00:38:06.61
She cling to the word.
00:38:06.65\00:38:10.45
Trials, what I
understand trials are,
00:38:10.52\00:38:14.32
they reveal to us the
intents of our hearts,
00:38:14.36\00:38:19.96
trials revealed to
us our helplessness.
00:38:20.03\00:38:24.10
Exactly.
00:38:24.17\00:38:25.50
Our hopelessness. Yes.
00:38:25.53\00:38:26.94
That's what trials do.
00:38:26.97\00:38:28.30
That's right, our dependence.
00:38:28.34\00:38:30.11
Come on, the word
comes to offer the solution
00:38:30.14\00:38:35.08
for that trial case in point.
00:38:35.11\00:38:38.51
Say, say we're
very good friends,
00:38:38.55\00:38:40.22
now I just say my wife and
I been married for 44 years,
00:38:40.25\00:38:42.95
and we found ourselves allowing
00:38:42.98\00:38:47.66
our spirit to be
controlled by the devil
00:38:47.69\00:38:51.23
and he comes in and
develop a division among us.
00:38:51.26\00:38:55.53
You know we've
been married and say,
00:38:55.56\00:38:57.80
I did something that
was just unforgivable
00:38:57.83\00:39:02.70
and she began ruminating,
begin to build up a wall,
00:39:02.74\00:39:06.14
the resentment and
bitterness and that's happened.
00:39:06.17\00:39:08.64
Oh, yeah.
00:39:08.68\00:39:10.01
That's a trail, we
just say that's a trial.
00:39:10.08\00:39:12.15
So now, per se,
well, God, she said, well,
00:39:12.18\00:39:16.32
God just send that
trial to perfect my character
00:39:16.35\00:39:18.65
but you're still ruminating,
00:39:18.69\00:39:20.59
you still just rehearsing
that bitter experience.
00:39:20.62\00:39:24.66
And God's word comes to her,
00:39:24.69\00:39:28.86
forgive and love
00:39:28.90\00:39:33.74
God's word offer a
solution for this situation.
00:39:33.77\00:39:37.81
You get what I'm saying.
00:39:37.84\00:39:39.17
Trials reveal in my heart
00:39:39.21\00:39:40.68
'cause she's building a
wall a resentment and bitter
00:39:40.71\00:39:44.38
and God said forgive.
00:39:44.41\00:39:46.72
How can I forgive,
after all what he did to me?
00:39:46.75\00:39:49.45
I'll forgive that's about it.
00:39:49.48\00:39:52.05
You understand what I'm saying.
00:39:52.09\00:39:53.46
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:39:53.49\00:39:54.96
God sent the word
is what cleanse us,
00:39:54.99\00:40:00.10
it offers the solution
once I recognize my happiness.
00:40:00.13\00:40:04.67
John 15:4 says,
00:40:04.70\00:40:06.80
"Every branch in me
cannot bear fruit without me."
00:40:06.84\00:40:11.47
So then what's the
purpose of the branch?
00:40:11.51\00:40:15.38
Can the branch produce fruit?
00:40:15.41\00:40:17.45
No, it receives
sap from the vine.
00:40:17.51\00:40:22.32
So the branch
only become a channel,
00:40:22.35\00:40:24.69
a conduit through which the sap
00:40:24.72\00:40:27.12
flows through the
vine into the branch
00:40:27.16\00:40:30.96
and the fruit is produced.
00:40:30.99\00:40:32.33
So if this
bottle of water, my arm,
00:40:32.36\00:40:35.03
Jason, Yvonne, is the branch,
00:40:35.06\00:40:37.30
my body is the vine
and this is the fruit,
00:40:37.33\00:40:41.60
what's the fruit
for, for the branch?
00:40:41.64\00:40:45.77
Have you ever seen a
branch eat his own fruit?
00:40:45.81\00:40:48.01
No.
00:40:48.04\00:40:49.98
And this is some
apples and peaches and grape,
00:40:50.01\00:40:52.05
what's it for,
you go and pluck it.
00:40:52.08\00:40:54.15
So therefore,
00:40:54.18\00:40:55.52
what God will produce
through me through you
00:40:55.55\00:40:57.62
by abide in him our fruit
00:40:57.65\00:41:00.49
which is the reproduction
of the character of God
00:41:00.56\00:41:04.13
in me that others
partake of these fruit
00:41:04.16\00:41:07.30
and be nourished that that
same character is reproduced
00:41:07.30\00:41:10.93
in the partakers of that
00:41:10.97\00:41:12.90
'cause John 15:7 says,
00:41:12.93\00:41:15.14
"If you abide in
me and my word in you,
00:41:15.17\00:41:17.61
you ask what you
will it should be done."
00:41:17.64\00:41:20.04
Now in that context
as the average Christian,
00:41:20.08\00:41:24.21
Adventist Christian
what does that mean.
00:41:24.25\00:41:26.05
Well, a wife, a car, a job,
00:41:26.08\00:41:29.35
that's not what
that text is saying.
00:41:29.38\00:41:30.75
Contextual saying,
if you'll abide in me,
00:41:30.79\00:41:33.19
my word in you,
you ask what you will.
00:41:33.22\00:41:35.19
So that means
you're not asking your will
00:41:35.22\00:41:36.83
because if you're in
Christ and His word is in you,
00:41:36.89\00:41:39.56
you gonna ask the will of God,
00:41:39.59\00:41:41.50
of course the will of
God that you be fruitful.
00:41:41.53\00:41:44.97
And it says by this
shall you be my disciple.
00:41:45.00\00:41:49.84
So that can clear it...
00:41:49.87\00:41:52.31
So go ahead.
00:41:52.34\00:41:53.71
So I was gonna
ask Dr. Laverne here
00:41:53.74\00:41:56.01
during that time
00:41:56.04\00:41:57.78
when your
husband was lying there
00:41:57.81\00:42:01.42
for those seven days
00:42:01.45\00:42:02.95
and you were into that
word and doing as Doc is saying,
00:42:02.98\00:42:07.46
you were abiding in Christ.
00:42:07.49\00:42:09.39
Tell us about your
journey during that time?
00:42:09.42\00:42:11.86
What were you
doing during that time?
00:42:11.89\00:42:15.76
What I was doing
was of course, praying.
00:42:15.80\00:42:19.53
But I was praying
00:42:19.57\00:42:20.90
and I had to
grab hold to promises
00:42:20.94\00:42:25.61
because there was
a lot of negativity.
00:42:25.64\00:42:28.54
Constantly.
00:42:28.58\00:42:29.91
Constantly coming to
me, he was not going to live
00:42:29.94\00:42:32.75
and so I knew in my
mind and I spoke to God
00:42:32.78\00:42:36.52
and I voiced I said,
00:42:36.55\00:42:38.52
"Lord, I know you
didn't bring us over here.
00:42:38.55\00:42:42.66
For me to bring
him home in a box."
00:42:42.69\00:42:45.86
That's not an option. Yes.
00:42:45.89\00:42:47.66
That is not an option.
00:42:47.66\00:42:49.00
So I need to know
00:42:49.03\00:42:51.20
what it is that you
would have for me to do
00:42:51.23\00:42:54.07
because I know it's something.
00:42:54.10\00:42:56.64
You know I'm not
asking why this happened.
00:42:56.67\00:42:59.37
What is it that you
would have us to do?
00:42:59.41\00:43:01.41
Give me what that
is, and of course,
00:43:01.44\00:43:04.08
he flooded me with his word
00:43:04.15\00:43:06.05
and the most
precious one is in Isaiah 43,
00:43:06.08\00:43:10.39
you know when you go to
the flood and all you know,
00:43:10.42\00:43:13.69
yes, I will be with you.
00:43:13.76\00:43:15.62
And so he let me know
that he was going to be with me
00:43:15.66\00:43:18.86
and whatever my needs were,
00:43:18.89\00:43:20.40
and I am the
type of the individual
00:43:20.43\00:43:22.20
because I kept
thinking okay, Lord,
00:43:22.23\00:43:24.63
here we are, we got here.
00:43:24.67\00:43:28.17
I didn't have time
to change the phone,
00:43:28.20\00:43:30.47
so I don't have a phone.
00:43:30.51\00:43:32.61
I don't have the
money that I need
00:43:32.64\00:43:34.41
because I figured two weeks
we didn't need what we need
00:43:34.44\00:43:36.85
and you know I
would have what I needed.
00:43:36.91\00:43:38.25
Two week trips
00:43:38.28\00:43:39.61
because we were
back in two weeks.
00:43:39.65\00:43:40.98
Two weeks...
00:43:41.02\00:43:42.35
Two months.
00:43:42.38\00:43:43.72
And so I said, okay Lord,
00:43:43.75\00:43:45.29
now I don't have a
means of transportation.
00:43:45.32\00:43:48.42
I'm living with an individual,
they don't have a car,
00:43:48.46\00:43:51.09
the individual
that's supposed to drive us
00:43:51.13\00:43:53.76
don't have a license
right now for some reason.
00:43:53.80\00:43:56.00
So here I am no money, no phone,
00:43:56.03\00:43:58.80
no means of getting
around and then here
00:43:58.83\00:44:02.30
I know my family's
getting ready wanting to come
00:44:02.34\00:44:05.57
because I had to let them know,
00:44:05.61\00:44:07.84
I couldn't just keep it silent.
00:44:07.88\00:44:09.94
Right, because
you needed prayers...
00:44:09.98\00:44:12.28
I needed prayers,
I needed resources
00:44:12.31\00:44:14.68
and I needed
strength from the brethren.
00:44:14.72\00:44:18.72
Yes.
00:44:18.75\00:44:20.09
And from my family and so the,
00:44:20.16\00:44:23.22
and I said, Lord, you know
00:44:23.26\00:44:24.59
I am a person that
lights I have A in place
00:44:24.63\00:44:28.96
and then I got B in place
00:44:29.00\00:44:30.57
and I got C if B doesn't work.
00:44:30.63\00:44:33.64
So you had to
be able to tolerate
00:44:33.70\00:44:35.64
a little bit of uncertainty.
00:44:35.67\00:44:37.01
Yeah.
00:44:37.07\00:44:38.41
So the Lord said to me right now
00:44:38.44\00:44:40.24
you can have A B or C.
00:44:40.28\00:44:42.78
I'm your A B and C.
00:44:42.81\00:44:44.15
I am A, he said,
00:44:44.21\00:44:45.55
"You got to trust in me
and leave it in my hand."
00:44:45.58\00:44:48.52
and then he took me to
00:44:48.55\00:44:50.25
when Abraham
went up and took Isaac
00:44:50.29\00:44:53.09
and he was all the
struggle in his mind
00:44:53.12\00:44:56.59
but God said,
00:44:56.62\00:44:57.96
"I am Jehovah Jireh, I provide."
00:44:57.99\00:45:01.36
And so I saw it
every need he provided it
00:45:01.40\00:45:05.70
when I needed it,
00:45:05.73\00:45:07.07
so I had bills
over here where I am,
00:45:07.14\00:45:10.44
I got bills over in
America that's got to be done.
00:45:10.51\00:45:13.41
And the Lord took care
every last one of them.
00:45:13.48\00:45:16.98
But the most thing that
was so special is the day,
00:45:17.05\00:45:21.15
the night that he
got in the hospital
00:45:21.18\00:45:23.72
and I was needing a phone
00:45:23.79\00:45:25.12
because so I
could make phone calls.
00:45:25.15\00:45:28.59
There was a guy who come,
00:45:28.62\00:45:30.83
the people were getting ready
00:45:30.86\00:45:33.03
to come to church that
next day to see us at church.
00:45:33.06\00:45:37.83
And here
they're getting messages
00:45:37.87\00:45:39.37
as they're on
their way to church
00:45:39.40\00:45:41.30
that he's in
ICU in the hospital,
00:45:41.34\00:45:43.97
and of course
what the saying was,
00:45:44.01\00:45:46.04
"That can't be
Thomas Jackson, no,
00:45:46.07\00:45:49.38
the health men in the hospital."
00:45:49.41\00:45:52.01
So anyway they came,
00:45:52.05\00:45:54.08
and one of the guys that came,
00:45:54.12\00:45:55.65
he says Sister Jackson, he said,
00:45:55.68\00:45:57.25
"What is it that
you need, he said,
00:45:57.29\00:45:59.39
because I have a
friend here who has AIDS
00:45:59.42\00:46:03.09
and I was going to
bring him to the church.
00:46:03.12\00:46:07.86
So he could talk
to Brother Jackson.
00:46:07.86\00:46:10.40
He said, now my
friend has two phones.
00:46:10.47\00:46:13.34
I said I needed a phone.
00:46:13.37\00:46:14.70
He says, well, okay
I'm gonna ask my friend.
00:46:14.74\00:46:17.14
His friend gave that phone.
00:46:17.21\00:46:19.61
And I kept that
phone for two months.
00:46:19.64\00:46:22.18
And he said,
well, what do you need?
00:46:22.21\00:46:23.85
I said I need
international minutes.
00:46:23.88\00:46:25.78
So he took that phone
right away and came back
00:46:25.81\00:46:28.78
and brought me a phone
for international minutes
00:46:28.82\00:46:31.22
so that I could make contact.
00:46:31.25\00:46:33.46
I needed a vehicle.
00:46:33.49\00:46:34.92
I couldn't drive over there,
00:46:34.96\00:46:36.49
somebody had a
church in Manchester
00:46:36.52\00:46:40.70
called the girl's father
00:46:40.73\00:46:43.06
who was come to see him as well,
00:46:43.10\00:46:45.63
and says, they
got to need a vehicle.
00:46:45.67\00:46:47.90
He said, I am going to
let them use my vehicle
00:46:47.94\00:46:50.47
so to gas or
will I tell you what
00:46:50.51\00:46:51.97
I give them my vehicle
00:46:52.01\00:46:53.84
and then out when I get back.
00:46:53.88\00:46:55.44
I can drive your vehicle
00:46:55.48\00:46:57.01
because the guy who was
there that gave his vehicle,
00:46:57.05\00:46:59.81
he was a
instructor, driving instructor.
00:46:59.85\00:47:04.55
So he had insurance on
his where anybody could drive.
00:47:04.59\00:47:08.36
Wow! God provided that.
00:47:08.39\00:47:10.36
Now listen, not only that,
00:47:10.39\00:47:12.49
the guy was going to turn
in and turn his insurance in
00:47:12.53\00:47:17.07
because he wasn't
doing this service anymore.
00:47:17.10\00:47:20.27
And the company told,
00:47:20.34\00:47:21.70
no, you got to keep it
for another two months,
00:47:21.74\00:47:23.81
so the Lord set that up
00:47:23.84\00:47:25.84
and then the guy who had the car
00:47:25.87\00:47:27.41
couldn't sell the car
and so he had us sit there
00:47:27.48\00:47:30.45
waiting for us and use
it, isn't that awesome.
00:47:30.48\00:47:32.38
Oh.
00:47:32.41\00:47:33.75
So every step God
provided the means
00:47:33.82\00:47:36.62
and whatever's
needed before hand
00:47:36.69\00:47:39.05
we just had to trust that
he was going to be able to,
00:47:39.09\00:47:42.72
to do what needs to be.
00:47:42.76\00:47:44.23
And then I didn't know,
00:47:44.26\00:47:45.76
that once he was in
the hospital 32 days.
00:47:45.79\00:47:49.93
And in 32 days, he had
to have rehabilitation,
00:47:49.96\00:47:53.70
speech therapy,
physical therapy,
00:47:53.74\00:47:56.87
writing, all of
these in just 32 days.
00:47:56.91\00:48:00.14
It's amazing and
I praise the Lord
00:48:00.21\00:48:03.48
that with his brain
not having the oxygen,
00:48:03.51\00:48:07.88
he could have lost short term,
00:48:07.92\00:48:10.22
long term memory
when he waken up.
00:48:10.25\00:48:12.82
He couldn't, not even known us.
00:48:12.85\00:48:15.16
That would have
been devastating.
00:48:15.19\00:48:17.56
But the Lord worked there
where he remembered everything
00:48:17.59\00:48:22.06
but just that the
just had happened.
00:48:22.10\00:48:25.73
And so when we were able
to get him out of the hospital
00:48:25.77\00:48:29.80
and then take him to a place
00:48:29.84\00:48:31.37
where we can
rehabilitate him outside...
00:48:31.41\00:48:34.38
Country place
was provided for us.
00:48:34.41\00:48:36.85
And in that way we
were able to bring him home
00:48:36.88\00:48:40.22
after we got everything you know
00:48:40.25\00:48:42.58
back in order
what it needed to be.
00:48:42.62\00:48:44.82
So I just thank
God for how he works
00:48:44.85\00:48:47.66
and still and all you
know they still don't know
00:48:47.69\00:48:50.76
we've been to
specialists and all.
00:48:50.83\00:48:53.26
But we know that you know
what came to my mind again,
00:48:53.29\00:48:56.53
as he was in the hospital.
00:48:56.56\00:48:58.80
There I think
00:48:58.83\00:49:01.97
his in the gospel where it says,
00:49:02.00\00:49:04.84
you know when the man
came and they brought him down
00:49:04.87\00:49:08.38
through the
roof and put him down
00:49:08.41\00:49:10.58
and they said, that
that was a strange act.
00:49:10.61\00:49:13.25
I believe that
this was a strange act.
00:49:13.28\00:49:17.22
And our adapted father says
00:49:17.25\00:49:20.09
that this was a
present day Lazarus.
00:49:20.12\00:49:24.16
Oh, really? Really.
00:49:24.19\00:49:25.79
And that's how we introduce him.
00:49:25.83\00:49:27.40
Yes, we had to have
a present day Lazarus
00:49:27.46\00:49:30.90
for people to
realize that God plan works
00:49:30.97\00:49:34.44
and that God is
still in a business...
00:49:34.47\00:49:36.34
Being faithful, God is faithful.
00:49:36.37\00:49:37.87
Of answering prayer.
00:49:37.91\00:49:39.24
That's right.
00:49:39.27\00:49:40.61
You know, 'cause some prayers
00:49:40.68\00:49:42.01
it takes him a
little longer to do
00:49:42.04\00:49:43.38
but this when we saw
that he raised him up
00:49:43.41\00:49:46.08
and it was a strange
act that our God performed.
00:49:46.11\00:49:49.85
Mercy, mercy, mercy.
Yeah, thank you Lord.
00:49:49.88\00:49:53.15
That's the kind of God we serve.
00:49:53.19\00:49:54.56
Yes.
00:49:54.59\00:49:55.92
It makes you want to shout.
00:49:55.96\00:49:57.33
Okay, listen I've been shouting.
00:49:57.36\00:49:58.99
I know you have.
Have been shouting.
00:49:59.03\00:50:01.96
He is literally
raised from the death.
00:50:02.00\00:50:04.13
He is raised, that
is true, he really is,
00:50:04.17\00:50:07.50
strange, people
wouldn't believe it.
00:50:07.54\00:50:08.87
Yeah.
00:50:08.90\00:50:10.24
So he could come forward
00:50:10.27\00:50:11.61
and even with his mind
being intact to the point that
00:50:11.64\00:50:15.01
you know when, when he got into,
00:50:15.04\00:50:17.85
when we got in two part outside
00:50:17.88\00:50:20.08
of two hours outside of London.
00:50:20.12\00:50:21.95
We started making
him do presentations
00:50:21.98\00:50:25.85
to see to make that
brain fire, you know.
00:50:25.89\00:50:29.82
And I tell you
he would get there,
00:50:29.86\00:50:31.59
and at first he
was a little hesitate
00:50:31.63\00:50:34.36
but that brain kicked in
and a Holy Spirit kicked in
00:50:34.40\00:50:38.03
and it renewed
every one of those
00:50:38.07\00:50:40.57
nerves neuron you know.
00:50:40.60\00:50:42.07
Yes, every synapse...
00:50:42.10\00:50:43.44
Every synapse. Is firing.
00:50:43.47\00:50:45.21
One thing that I'd
like to bring attention to,
00:50:45.24\00:50:48.44
to is the...
00:50:48.48\00:50:51.95
basically you know
how you go through a trial
00:50:51.98\00:50:53.98
you can react.
00:50:54.05\00:50:55.42
There's different
ways that you can react.
00:50:55.45\00:50:57.25
You can either rely on
God or you can blame God.
00:50:57.32\00:50:59.65
Oh, yes.
00:50:59.69\00:51:01.09
And a lot of
people tend to blame God,
00:51:01.12\00:51:02.56
but you had faith
00:51:02.59\00:51:04.46
and you held on
to the Word of God,
00:51:04.49\00:51:06.80
people were praying.
00:51:06.83\00:51:08.13
Yeah, I mean
that's, that's huge.
00:51:08.16\00:51:09.80
And God honor that.
00:51:09.83\00:51:11.33
He did, he did.
00:51:11.37\00:51:12.97
We had a system
00:51:13.00\00:51:15.50
because when I
talked to the office
00:51:15.54\00:51:17.57
I mentioned to
them, I said, you know,
00:51:17.61\00:51:19.07
I want to
synchronize the prayers.
00:51:19.11\00:51:21.41
So it when one prayer is
going to we're all praying
00:51:21.44\00:51:24.75
at the same time
even though I'm here
00:51:24.78\00:51:28.05
and six hours later, I'm
praying at the same time.
00:51:28.08\00:51:30.95
So I believe that as a
result of those prayers going up
00:51:30.99\00:51:34.42
around the world same time,
00:51:34.46\00:51:37.09
God was hearing and
answering those prayers.
00:51:37.13\00:51:40.50
Mightily for what he...
00:51:40.56\00:51:41.86
I know that time is running
00:51:41.90\00:51:43.23
but something
else very affirming.
00:51:43.26\00:51:46.53
We have a cardiologist
that goes to our church,
00:51:46.57\00:51:49.84
wonderful man.
00:51:49.87\00:51:51.84
He stayed with
my wife on a phone,
00:51:51.87\00:51:54.21
but he does not specialize,
00:51:54.24\00:51:55.58
what happened to me
00:51:55.61\00:51:56.98
it was the electrical
current in my heart went
00:51:57.01\00:52:00.98
and I want to...
00:52:01.02\00:52:02.35
Shut down.
00:52:02.38\00:52:03.72
Shut down, though when I woke up
00:52:03.79\00:52:06.76
and after God
continued to download his plan
00:52:06.79\00:52:10.33
and continue unveil that.
00:52:10.36\00:52:12.19
And there's the
doctors and surgeons around
00:52:12.23\00:52:17.83
and I wake up and a
verse just flow from my mouth
00:52:17.87\00:52:22.64
as though I'm speaking to people
00:52:22.67\00:52:24.87
who understand the language.
00:52:24.91\00:52:26.64
Proverbs 26:2,
00:52:26.68\00:52:29.14
I said, Doc, the curse
causeless shall not come
00:52:29.18\00:52:34.08
and I quote myself,
00:52:34.12\00:52:35.52
but these folks all
know what I mean by that.
00:52:35.55\00:52:39.49
And I quote myself and said,
00:52:39.52\00:52:41.89
I said doc there's a
cause for everything,
00:52:41.92\00:52:44.43
you agree with that.
00:52:44.46\00:52:45.79
So I said, what
is your diagnosis?
00:52:45.83\00:52:49.46
And he said you
heart tip top shape.
00:52:49.50\00:52:55.80
Your arteries
are clean as a baby.
00:52:55.84\00:53:00.61
You see you don't
smoke, you don't drink.
00:53:00.68\00:53:03.35
So it's a rarity.
00:53:03.38\00:53:05.28
I said, doc, have
you all checked it up.
00:53:05.31\00:53:07.72
Now if ever the
content my father but I know,
00:53:07.75\00:53:10.29
when my mother died from,
00:53:10.32\00:53:12.32
so you know so
they have nothing.
00:53:12.35\00:53:17.53
So doc, what's the prognosis?
00:53:17.56\00:53:20.43
Now I'm asking these questions
00:53:20.50\00:53:22.60
and he was
getting little bit of...
00:53:22.63\00:53:24.27
I'm a very observant person
00:53:24.30\00:53:26.43
and so I'm
getting little agitated,
00:53:26.47\00:53:27.80
I said Doc, I'm not
asking these questions
00:53:27.84\00:53:31.31
to question
your professionality,
00:53:31.34\00:53:34.54
I'll plow the
intervention and emergency,
00:53:34.58\00:53:39.85
but by the way
does not the patient
00:53:39.88\00:53:42.75
have the right to
know that's all I'm asking.
00:53:42.78\00:53:46.52
Okay, but anyway
00:53:46.55\00:53:48.26
I think so as it will
with a situation like this
00:53:48.29\00:53:51.43
there's
electrical current my heart.
00:53:51.46\00:53:53.76
Then who says it's
not going to happen again.
00:53:53.80\00:53:55.43
Say, well, this
what we have do to him,
00:53:55.46\00:53:58.00
all right talk to me, Doc.
00:53:58.03\00:53:59.40
Well, we're seeing a little
electric bolt to your brain.
00:53:59.43\00:54:04.14
You got to hit the right spot,
00:54:04.21\00:54:05.57
the right node in
your right chamber of heart
00:54:05.61\00:54:07.58
and we're just going
to destroy to wipe it out.
00:54:07.61\00:54:11.01
I just said...
00:54:11.05\00:54:12.38
They call it burning it.
00:54:12.41\00:54:13.75
Burning what?
00:54:13.82\00:54:15.15
Burning the cell...
00:54:15.18\00:54:16.52
There's a node that
control electrical current,
00:54:16.55\00:54:18.72
they just wiped it out,
00:54:18.75\00:54:20.26
so what it meant
to my man then what,
00:54:20.29\00:54:23.06
you know when and what.
00:54:23.09\00:54:24.43
And so,
00:54:24.46\00:54:26.56
God is just
downloading thoughts,
00:54:26.59\00:54:28.00
I said, Doc, I said, I
really appreciate your help.
00:54:28.03\00:54:31.40
But I was saying I cannot agree
00:54:31.43\00:54:34.94
with that procedure
because you don't know
00:54:34.97\00:54:37.47
because you see that
there's something wrong
00:54:37.51\00:54:39.71
with electrical
current in my body
00:54:39.74\00:54:41.48
cause to see electrical current.
00:54:41.51\00:54:43.81
I have read and teach out,
00:54:43.85\00:54:46.78
God is in doubt his people
00:54:46.82\00:54:49.72
with a certain
amount of vital force,
00:54:49.75\00:54:52.05
a vital force is
electrical energy
00:54:52.09\00:54:54.49
that's life
00:54:54.52\00:54:56.99
and electrical current is gone.
00:54:57.03\00:54:59.09
So I got turned my fold here,
00:54:59.13\00:55:01.23
I did not have a heart attack,
00:55:01.26\00:55:02.60
I don't have cancer,
00:55:02.63\00:55:04.53
vital force was
capped out of me,
00:55:04.57\00:55:08.17
you know what I'm saying,
00:55:08.20\00:55:09.54
vital force.
00:55:09.57\00:55:11.27
So I said no Doc, I
want to get to States.
00:55:11.31\00:55:14.11
He said, okay, because patients
00:55:14.18\00:55:15.88
and he said well
there's only two places
00:55:15.91\00:55:17.95
in close
proximity that they do this
00:55:17.98\00:55:21.82
that's
Vanderbilt, that's Nashville,
00:55:21.85\00:55:24.29
the universal of Alabama,
00:55:24.32\00:55:25.82
so our
cardiologist goes, you know,
00:55:25.85\00:55:29.39
very wonderful guy,
00:55:29.42\00:55:30.76
I had fast
forward get back home,
00:55:30.83\00:55:32.99
he has all the paperwork
he stayed on the phone.
00:55:33.03\00:55:35.40
My wife got all the documents.
00:55:35.43\00:55:37.97
And I went into his
office and when he saw me,
00:55:38.00\00:55:40.40
tears is rolled down his eyes,
00:55:40.44\00:55:42.90
he just cried and
we prayed together.
00:55:42.94\00:55:46.68
But this is my last
point and I thought he had,
00:55:46.74\00:55:50.05
he already had my
paperwork everything about
00:55:50.11\00:55:51.91
this operation said,
Doc, what about his operation,
00:55:51.95\00:55:55.38
he said, I'll
tell you what well,
00:55:55.42\00:55:57.05
that's only one person
I know that specialize is
00:55:57.09\00:55:59.79
he's two hours away from us,
00:55:59.82\00:56:01.32
Memphis, he is Asian doctor.
00:56:01.36\00:56:04.69
He said, I set you a
appointment you go there.
00:56:04.73\00:56:08.23
Now it's so stereotyped
mind because Asian doctor,
00:56:08.26\00:56:12.40
he don't
believe in Christianity,
00:56:12.43\00:56:14.67
he's not gonna
pray with me so I...
00:56:14.70\00:56:17.14
He believes in Buddha.
00:56:17.21\00:56:18.54
Yeah.
00:56:18.57\00:56:22.11
God said, you
abide in me, I got to go.
00:56:22.14\00:56:24.75
So I'm sitting there my
wife in an examination room.
00:56:24.78\00:56:28.15
I'm on the table.
00:56:28.18\00:56:29.52
Dr Lon open a door,
he comes in, he has,
00:56:29.55\00:56:34.19
so he looks at
my wife greets her,
00:56:34.26\00:56:36.12
then he looks like
I'm looking at Jason.
00:56:36.16\00:56:38.36
He has a look I
never seen a doctor face.
00:56:38.39\00:56:41.96
Can I get up for a moment. Yes.
00:56:42.00\00:56:43.73
Then he walked
over to me like this
00:56:43.77\00:56:46.63
he said, "God is good to you."
00:56:46.70\00:56:50.57
Wow.
00:56:50.61\00:56:53.54
I looked at him that resonate
00:56:53.58\00:56:56.81
as this man he said,
15 percent of the people
00:56:56.85\00:56:59.65
that he that does survive this
00:56:59.68\00:57:03.52
that he's
operated on don't survive,
00:57:03.55\00:57:06.89
you know far as.
00:57:06.92\00:57:08.26
So 85 percent of people
00:57:08.29\00:57:10.16
who have what you
had don't survive.
00:57:10.19\00:57:13.29
If they are
vegetables were not here.
00:57:13.33\00:57:16.67
And I said doc, I
know time is running out,
00:57:16.70\00:57:18.33
I said, Doc, what
about the surgery,
00:57:18.37\00:57:20.97
he said, okay, let
me keep you on a check.
00:57:21.00\00:57:23.71
Let me keep you on the check.
00:57:23.74\00:57:25.07
You know check
me for weeks check,
00:57:25.11\00:57:27.08
went back about
a month or two ago,
00:57:27.11\00:57:29.74
he said, and he
just saw me my parents
00:57:29.78\00:57:33.95
but I'm still going to a guy,
00:57:34.02\00:57:35.75
I said, Doc, what
about this operation.
00:57:35.78\00:57:37.42
He said, there's no
markers, what can they fire.
00:57:37.49\00:57:40.99
I see you next year.
00:57:41.02\00:57:43.29
Wow!
00:57:43.32\00:57:44.69
I can't thank you
enough for being with us.
00:57:44.73\00:57:47.10
Thank you, may God bless you.
00:57:47.13\00:57:49.00
Our time is up, I
can't believe our time is up.
00:57:49.03\00:57:52.47
Thank you, thank you.
00:57:52.50\00:57:54.47
And make sure you
tune in next time,
00:57:54.50\00:57:56.04
'cause it just wouldn't
be the same without you.
00:57:56.07\00:57:58.57