So you think that martial arts
are just about self defense?
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Well, stay tuned to find out
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what's really
behind Martial arts
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and eastern mysticism.
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My name is Yvonne
Lewis. And I am Jason Bradley.
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And you are
watching Urban Report.
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Hello, and
Welcome to Urban Report.
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Our guest today is Eric Wilson,
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former instructor in
the martial arts of Qigong,
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Bagua, and Tai-chi chuan.
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Jason is with me. Yeah.
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And we are going to
explore the martial arts
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and the force behind it.
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Welcome to Urban Report, Eric.
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It's a pleasure to meet you.
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Before we start,
we have a little clip
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that just kind of
sets this whole thing up,
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and I want to air that clip.
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Just take a look.
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Wow. That was powerful. Yeah.
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What got you
involved in the martial arts?
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Before we even go there,
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lets talk about
where you were born,
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how you were raised,
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all that and find
out about your journey.
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So where were you born
and where did you grow up?
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I was born in Orlando, Florida.
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My parents were Seventh-day
Adventist Christians,
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so I was raised
in a Christian home.
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When I was
probably five years old,
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we moved up north to Virginia,
Tennessee, North Carolina,
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spent most of my life in
that area on the east coast.
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And were you an only
child or did you have siblings?
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No, I have a brother,
seven years younger to me,
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and we are very
close, so, yes, madam.
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Yeah, and so you were raised
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by Seventh-day
Adventist parents,
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and so you grew up in
a two parent household.
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Yes, madam.
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And then did it
remained that way
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or was there has been change,
what happened in your life?
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When I was 12-years-old
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my parents went through
separation and a divorce
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and the enemy
came into our home,
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like it does in so many
homes, and causes conflict.
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And we don't even realize often
that the conflict is with him,
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not with one another.
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So my parents were divorced,
you know, when I was 12.
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How did that make you
feel when they got divorced?
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It created doubt,
it created insecurity,
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it created a
feeling of rejection,
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as a young man, especially.
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And I know its same
for young women as well
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but for young man especially,
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a father
figure, having a father,
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a dad in a home
is what gives you
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and assures you of
your purpose in life.
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God has called all of us
as sons and daughters of God,
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and its true, a
father and a mother,
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that we are assured of
that, that we're given a role.
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And, so when my mom
and dad were divorced
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and my dad had to move
away, I lost that, you know,
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I was searching desperately
for what is my purpose in life,
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you know, what is my
reason for being here.
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And lot of times, young people,
when they're searching that,
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they look for role model.
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It may be in
Hollywood or it may be in sports
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or it may be in
the fashion industry,
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but they are looking for someone
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who look up to
assure them of who they are
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and their identity.
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So for me, when I saw the man
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that practicing
the martial arts,
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I saw what I was missing,
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I saw the man that
appear to be fearless,
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they appear to be in control
of every facet of their lives.
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Nothing took them by
surprise or caught them of God.
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And I thought you
know, that's what I want,
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I want that kind of confidence,
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I want that
assurance in my life.
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And I didn't realize
that that assurance comes
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from knowing who
we are in Christ.
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So, you, by the age of 14,
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you were kind of
searching for that mentor,
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that role model, that hoping.
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And in school, I
guess at that time too,
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you know, you go
through like could bullied
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or there can be...
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Was that your situation as well?
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Yes.
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Men are trying
to prove themselves,
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especially young men.
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So I had a number of men,
young men that were you know,
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trying to prove themselves
and use me as their guinea pig.
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So I told my mom, I said,
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I really want to get
started in martial arts.
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And at first, my
mom was very against it.
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She couldn't explain why
but she just felt in her heart
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that something just
was not right about it.
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And anyway, I
found out about a school
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that was a
"Christian martial arts school."
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A Christian martial arts school,
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I've never heard of such.
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Well, yeah.
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And like, back when I
started, in 1983, 1984,
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it was unheard off almost.
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Now they're everywhere
Christian martial art schools.
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Yes, Christian
yoga, Christian tai-chi.
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I mean, it's everywhere.
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What differentiates them
from mainstream martial arts?
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What do they do that differs?
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They say the word
"Jesus." That's about it?
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I don't mean that derogatory,
but often times you know,
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it sort of like music.
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What's Christian rock?
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Or what's the difference
between Christian rock
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and regular rock?
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Well, the words.
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I'm going to do a yoga
pose, or I'm going to meditate
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but I'm going to meditate,
I'm going to use Jesus' name.
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So the school, I know
that the intent was good,
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they read Bible
verses, you know,
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they were some
changes made in people's life.
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But what was hard
was is that, Jesus says,
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if someone strikes you
on one side of your face,
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turn the cheek.
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The martial art says,
if someone swings at you,
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block in counter.
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So there's an
opposition in the teaching.
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One is completely
against with the other,
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the spirit is
completely different.
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One is a spirit of pride
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and the other is
the spirit of humility.
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Well, and I'm going to
explore that a little bit more
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but let's go back for a second.
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When you walked into
that dojo for the first time,
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what did you think?
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Well, explain what
a dojo is first of all
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because some
viewers might not know that.
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And then explain how you felt
when you walked into the dojo.
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The first place
my mother took me,
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it was a Japanese
school, which is a dojo.
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It's a Japanese word and
it means to us in American,
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in English language,
it means a training hall.
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But if you look the
word up in the Japanese
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it actually has a
much deeper meaning.
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It means, up the
place of enlightenment.
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The Chinese word
for that is Daochang.
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It has the same meaning,
a place of enlightenment.
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In Hindu religion, it
would be a place of Nirvana.
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Interesting.
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Isn't it interesting,
how here in this country,
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we have taken in
certain practices
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thinking that they are harmless,
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thinking that
they are just you know,
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self-defense or whatever,
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but it's more than what we know,
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more than what we know.
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Well, you know,
it's like those things
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where they look
great on their surface,
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but as you dig deeper, you
unveil or uncover the truth
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and the meaning behind it.
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I mean, it's even
if you look at today
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with all this togetherness
and stuff like that,
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how people want to all come
together in terms of religion
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and things of that nature.
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What happens is
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people are gonna end
up compromising morals
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and beliefs,
and coming together,
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which sounds
great on the surface
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but what are you giving up?
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Are you giving up
God's law to follow man's law
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and man's idea or you
know, just a come together?
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Right, right, right.
I remember with you, J.
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I put you into karate,
and without knowing, you know,
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I was thinking, Eric,
as you're talking about,
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your mother was a bit
reticent about taking you
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to learn about
self-defense and stuff.
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Well, with J, I
wanted to put him in there
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because I want to make sure
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that if anybody was trying
to fight with him or something,
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he would know how
to defend himself.
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And, well, J, you
tell what happened with you
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when I put you and took you out.
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Well, okay.
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So she put me into karate
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and I went and
was excited about it.
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But then I noticed they
had the statue in the front
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and they want you
to bow to a Buddha,
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and then you know, you
are bowing to each other,
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it's a lot of bowing going on.
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And my mom, when she
saw that, she was like, no,
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you are not bowing
to anything, you know.
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And she ended up pull me
out not too long after that.
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Oh, yeah, he never
went back. Praise the Lord.
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Because, I didn't...
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when I walked in, I
hadn't walked in before.
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I would just drop
him off and pick him up.
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But I walked in
this time with him,
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and I saw everybody
was bowing to a statue.
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And I thought,
oh, no, oh, no, no,
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my son is not going to do that.
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Was that your experience,
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when you walked into
that first training center,
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dojo for the first
time, did they have you bow,
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bow to each
other, bow to the statue?
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What did you do
when you walked in?
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The first time that I went,
we were just there visiting,
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so we didn't have
to go through you know,
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that part of the ritual.
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But if someone signs up,
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it's very common
even here in the states.
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If it's a traditional
school, you remove your shoes
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when you step into the
school or onto the mat,
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you bow to the instructor,
you bow towards the showmen
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or the front of
the dojo, the studio.
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And that was one of
the things that really,
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I found after years of
being in the martial arts was,
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it made me
compromise what God's word say.
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God's word says, you
know, "I am the Lord your God,
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thy shall not bow down
or serve anyone above me."
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That's right.
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Being at that martial arts,
it doesn't really mean that.
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I know that's what it says,
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but that's not
what it really means.
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The martial art says
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when you reach at
certain level of achievement
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that you are called
the Sifu or a Sensei,
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which means a master.
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Jesus said, don't
call any man master,
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you have one master, even me.
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Again, there's a compromise.
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And then you know, I
learned later on, you know,
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when I stepped on
to the training floor,
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almost every martial arts studio
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that's a traditional studio,
you have to remove your shoes.
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And I remember you know,
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when I was at
church reading about Moses,
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when he appeared before
the Lord at the burning bush,
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and God told him,
take off your shoes,
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you're standing on holy ground.
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And you know, but I
did all these things
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and it was like small steps.
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Either you take one
step and compromise,
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and it's easier
to take the next one.
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And then you take another,
and then you take another.
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And pretty soon
you're so far down the path
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you can't find your way back out
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nor do you even realize
that you're in the wrong.
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That's right.
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So it was that way,
it was very gradual.
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And I didn't realize
where it was leading me.
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How long did you study? I
was in it right at 25 years.
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And far did you go?
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The highest rank
that I was awarded
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was a 5th Dan
in Chinese kung fu.
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And then I had seven black belts
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in combative styles
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and then I also have
instructor certification
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in internal arts
in Chinese medicines.
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Explain that system to
us. So you said a 5th Dan.
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What is a 5th Dan
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and what are the
different levels?
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Okay, and these vary dependant
on whether it's Japanese style
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or whether it's a Chinese style.
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But as a general rule,
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a 1st Dan is a
first level black belt.
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That means you just
got your black belt.
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And the masters will tell you,
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that means you've
mastered the basics.
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It means you just got out
of you know, the beginning,
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you know the basics.
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And for people that
want to go past that,
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they'll normally strive
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to become what's
known as a Sifu in Chinese
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or a Sensei,
which is an instructor.
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Some schools, I mean,
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you have to be a
2nd Dan or 3rd Dan.
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Other schools, I
mean, you can be promoted
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to that right off the bat
if the other instructor knows
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that you're ready.
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But the Dan or Dan
ranks, they normally have,
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most schools will have
first through 10th Dan.
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So you make black belt
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and that's concerned first Dan,
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and then there's a second
Dan, a third Dan, a forth Dan.
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And to reach the
level of a master,
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typically is a sixth Dan.
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Normally, it's the number six
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that they
consider to be a master,
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which I find interesting.
00:15:31.96\00:15:33.29
That is interesting.
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Because six is
the number of man.
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Right.
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And I know the last grandmaster
that I trained under,
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you know, he
explained to me one time.
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He said, "Eric," he said,
00:15:43.27\00:15:44.91
"For someone to
achieve that rank,
00:15:44.94\00:15:47.38
to be recognized in
traditional kung fu,"
00:15:47.41\00:15:49.68
which was my
primary style back then,
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"For someone to
achieve a sixth Dan
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there has to be a
surrender to those powers,
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there has to be a surrender."
00:15:59.72\00:16:01.29
He said, "You can
have technique," he said,
00:16:01.32\00:16:03.93
"But it's not
technique that makes a master,
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there's something spiritual
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that has to be imparted to you."
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Isn't that fascinating?
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You see if you're at this level.
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You don't know about
this spiritual dimension.
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You don't know
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that that there's
something else going on
00:16:19.27\00:16:22.34
underneath it.
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It's as you continue
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actually to get
deeper and deeper into it
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that you learned that there's
something else going on here.
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It's not just self-defense,
it's a spiritual level too.
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Let's unpack that a
little bit more, Eric,
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because you
bring out some things
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in your documentary
that we are going to air,
00:16:42.13\00:16:44.60
by the grace of
God on Dare to Dream.
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We're going to show
that clip a bit later.
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You bring out some
things in there about Dao
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and about the circle.
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I found that to be fascinating.
00:16:55.48\00:16:57.11
Let's talk a little bit more
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about this spiritualistic
aspect of the martial arts.
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One of the, one
of the first things
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that I remember
when I was training,
00:17:07.76\00:17:10.93
like, as a white belt,
00:17:10.96\00:17:12.29
as a beginner in the
studio that I started in,
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I would watch some of
the men that had you know,
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green belts or brown
belts that had been there for,
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you know, three years, or
five years, or eight years,
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or ten years.
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And I would watch
them when they would fight
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or when they would kick the bag
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or when they would
do certain you know,
00:17:27.51\00:17:29.21
drills, and you could
see the power that was there.
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And then I would
watch the grandmaster,
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and I'll never forget something.
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I remember one time
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when he was talking to a group
of the higher level students,
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and he was talking to
them about this energy
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that is known as Chi,
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or in the
Japanese, they call it Ki,
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like an aikido.
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He was talking about this energy
00:17:50.43\00:17:52.80
that martial artists
strove to access, to tap into.
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And he said, "When you
grab a hold of your opponent,"
00:17:58.04\00:18:01.34
he said, "It's not
just physical muscle."
00:18:01.38\00:18:04.78
You can't just
physically do things
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because that
will only go so far.
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I mean, I can run my whole life
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and I'm never going to
be overrun 70 miles an hour,
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right?
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You know, because
I'm not built to do that.
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With a human being,
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the human fist is not
physically built to do things
00:18:20.96\00:18:25.97
that you see a lot of martial
artists capable of doing.
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And when he was
demonstrating this to them,
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I remember we had
a training bagged.
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It was like 150
pound training bag.
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And it's hanging you
know, and he reached over
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and he grabbed
that with one hand
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and he picked it up and
he shook it with one hand.
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And it was like, all of us
were just dumbstruck, you know.
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How did he picked
that up with one hand
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like it was featherweight?
00:18:52.49\00:18:55.56
And then he said,
"That's what you got to know
00:18:55.60\00:18:57.27
how to tap into, that's what..."
00:18:57.30\00:18:59.23
So this carrot was constantly
dangled in front of the,
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the students that
have been initiated,
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the ones that have
been there for a few years.
00:19:06.57\00:19:09.28
There's always that carrot.
00:19:09.31\00:19:10.68
They say, if you want more
00:19:10.71\00:19:12.41
you just got to
take another step,
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another compromise.
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And that's the thing,
you don't have a sense...
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when you first get
into it you have no idea
00:19:21.06\00:19:23.73
how far you're going to drift.
00:19:23.76\00:19:26.80
Because Satan is very crafty,
00:19:26.83\00:19:29.86
he just takes you just
a little step at a time,
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a little step at a time.
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Were you going
to say something, J?
00:19:34.44\00:19:35.77
Yeah.
00:19:35.80\00:19:37.14
We talked prior to this program
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and you were you
were talking about Chi,
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and when you get
to a certain level
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how you're
teaching different levels,
00:19:43.68\00:19:46.18
different things about Chi.
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Will you touch on that?
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What is your, definition of Chi?
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Let me give you the
definition that I was given
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by one of the
grandmasters I'd trained under.
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I went to see
him to learn from him
00:20:01.60\00:20:04.27
that weekend and he
only taught black belts.
00:20:04.30\00:20:07.47
You could come to him
from any style, any style,
00:20:07.50\00:20:11.17
it didn't matter,
and so I went to learn,
00:20:11.21\00:20:13.17
and he would take you
and begin training you.
00:20:13.21\00:20:15.71
Even if he had
never been in that style
00:20:15.74\00:20:17.51
he could teach you how
to make your style better,
00:20:17.55\00:20:20.28
how to make your
abilities better.
00:20:20.32\00:20:22.55
And I asked him one
time, I said, you know,
00:20:22.58\00:20:26.55
"How do you know
what this person knows,
00:20:26.59\00:20:29.99
how do you help them?"
00:20:30.03\00:20:31.83
And he said, "Eric,"
he said, "all martial arts
00:20:31.86\00:20:34.63
find the roots at
the Shaolin Temple."
00:20:34.66\00:20:37.50
And he said, "What was it
that Shaolin Temple taught?"
00:20:37.53\00:20:41.90
He said, "If you see
Taekwondo and you Tai-Chi,
00:20:41.94\00:20:45.07
and you see you know, yoga,
00:20:45.11\00:20:47.04
and you see Taoist exercises,
00:20:47.08\00:20:49.58
and you see you know,
Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu or aikido,
00:20:49.61\00:20:53.31
if all of them find the
roots at the Shaolin temple."
00:20:53.35\00:20:57.05
He said, "What
was that they taught?"
00:20:57.09\00:20:59.55
Because all of these look
00:20:59.59\00:21:00.92
like they're so
different from one another."
00:21:00.96\00:21:03.89
And I didn't know the answer,
but I was very intrigued,
00:21:03.93\00:21:06.26
I wanted to know.
00:21:06.29\00:21:07.80
What is the common thread
00:21:07.83\00:21:09.40
that's woven throughout
all of these different arts?
00:21:09.43\00:21:13.40
And I'll never
forget, he drew a diagram
00:21:13.44\00:21:16.94
and he showed all these
arts, almost like a family tree.
00:21:16.97\00:21:19.87
He showed all of these paths,
00:21:19.91\00:21:21.78
how they all
went back to Shaolin,
00:21:21.81\00:21:24.15
and then at
Shaolin, he took the marker
00:21:24.18\00:21:26.95
and he put a big
E, and he circled it.
00:21:26.98\00:21:29.68
He said, "That's
what they taught.
00:21:29.72\00:21:31.42
Energy, Chi."
00:21:31.45\00:21:34.22
And he said, "That's
what they want to share
00:21:34.26\00:21:37.23
with the world."
00:21:37.26\00:21:38.59
He said, "Now when a
beginner comes to me," he said,
00:21:38.63\00:21:42.03
"you teach a beginner that
Chi is this internal strength
00:21:42.06\00:21:44.87
that's already inside you,
00:21:44.90\00:21:46.23
you just have to learn how
to tap into it and use it."
00:21:46.27\00:21:49.40
And they do that with
yoga, they do it with Tai-Chi,
00:21:49.44\00:21:51.67
they do it with
aikido, meditation, whatever,
00:21:51.71\00:21:55.54
didn't matter what you call it.
00:21:55.58\00:21:57.41
He says, "Now for an
intermediate student,
00:21:57.45\00:22:00.05
we tell them
that Chi is a breath."
00:22:00.08\00:22:03.42
That's why you do the
deep breathing exercises
00:22:03.45\00:22:05.85
that's why the meditation
and, the chanting, the mantras.
00:22:05.89\00:22:11.99
He said, "Now for
the advanced student,"
00:22:12.03\00:22:14.76
he said, "for someone
that's past black belt,"
00:22:14.80\00:22:17.93
he said, "you reveal to
them what Chi really is.
00:22:17.97\00:22:21.67
Chi is spirit."
00:22:21.70\00:22:24.31
And when he said
that to me, you know,
00:22:24.34\00:22:27.04
alarm bells were going off.
00:22:27.08\00:22:29.24
But unfortunately, I
mean, I turned my ear,
00:22:29.28\00:22:31.38
I didn't want to hear
what God was trying to tell me.
00:22:31.41\00:22:34.65
And it was, it
wasn't long after that
00:22:34.68\00:22:38.45
that I went to visit him
for some one-on-one training.
00:22:38.49\00:22:42.42
And I'll never forget
this, when this happened,
00:22:42.46\00:22:45.56
I was there in the
studio, in a martial art studio
00:22:45.59\00:22:48.56
and he and I were talking,
00:22:48.60\00:22:50.17
and one of the
young black belts,
00:22:50.20\00:22:52.10
younger man came in.
00:22:52.13\00:22:53.70
And he was carrying
this big piece of artwork
00:22:53.74\00:22:56.00
that was covered in brown paper,
00:22:56.04\00:22:57.87
you know, wrapped
you know, with string.
00:22:57.91\00:23:00.24
And the
grandmaster was really excited.
00:23:00.28\00:23:03.11
And I don't call him
that, I got to be careful,
00:23:03.14\00:23:05.98
I don't call him that because
that's what I think of him.
00:23:06.01\00:23:08.85
He's just a man but
I'm giving a reference.
00:23:08.88\00:23:10.92
Right, right.
00:23:10.95\00:23:12.29
But this grandmaster,
00:23:12.32\00:23:13.66
he was so excited
about receiving this artwork.
00:23:13.69\00:23:16.59
And so he took
the paper off of it
00:23:16.62\00:23:18.49
and he put this
out there and says,
00:23:18.53\00:23:19.86
"This really beautiful
piece of Chinese calligraphy.
00:23:19.89\00:23:23.43
And you know, you look at it,
00:23:23.47\00:23:25.07
and I knew what some of
the Chinese symbols were
00:23:25.10\00:23:27.60
in calligraphy, but not
all, I couldn't read Chinese.
00:23:27.64\00:23:31.07
And so the young black belt left
00:23:31.11\00:23:33.07
and we were there
alone in the studio,
00:23:33.11\00:23:36.14
and I asked the
grandmaster, I said,
00:23:36.18\00:23:39.51
"What does it mean?"
00:23:39.55\00:23:41.88
And he got this
look on his face,
00:23:41.92\00:23:43.65
and I could tell that the enemy,
00:23:43.69\00:23:46.76
the dragon was influencing
him, how to avoid it.
00:23:46.79\00:23:52.23
And he said, "What
it means in English is,
00:23:52.26\00:23:57.97
it's the devil
that's in the details."
00:23:58.00\00:24:01.14
Wow.
00:24:01.17\00:24:02.50
And when he said that,
00:24:02.54\00:24:07.44
I mean, didn't know what to say,
00:24:07.48\00:24:08.81
because there was
no getting around that.
00:24:08.84\00:24:10.45
And it was like the
Lord was in his mercy,
00:24:10.48\00:24:12.75
he was trying
desperately to set me free.
00:24:12.78\00:24:16.28
And in my mind, what I said was,
00:24:16.32\00:24:19.95
okay, he may believe that
00:24:19.99\00:24:21.32
but I don't have to go that far.
00:24:21.36\00:24:23.26
You know, I'm not going
to, it doesn't mean that to me,
00:24:23.29\00:24:26.29
you know, when we meditate,
I know what she's meditate to
00:24:26.33\00:24:29.86
but I'm meditating to Jesus.
00:24:29.90\00:24:32.23
That's what I did.
00:24:32.27\00:24:33.60
Eric, I did
almost the same thing,
00:24:33.64\00:24:35.40
because a lot of
you know my journey
00:24:35.44\00:24:38.47
with eastern medicine,
traditional Chinese medicine.
00:24:38.51\00:24:41.34
And I did a lot
of the same thing.
00:24:41.38\00:24:43.65
Once you've
gotten to a certain place
00:24:43.68\00:24:47.25
and you start finding
out a little bit more,
00:24:47.28\00:24:49.78
and a little bit more,
00:24:49.82\00:24:51.15
you have one or
two choices to make.
00:24:51.19\00:24:53.19
You either say, "Oh, I'm way
I'm out too far," or you say,
00:24:53.22\00:24:58.59
"I don't embrace
that, this is where I am,
00:24:58.63\00:25:02.20
I am a Christian, I'm
not into that eastern thing,
00:25:02.23\00:25:05.93
so I'm going to
just put that aside."
00:25:05.97\00:25:08.84
So I know exactly
what you're saying
00:25:08.87\00:25:11.01
that you reached that
point and really the Lord was,
00:25:11.04\00:25:15.08
he was reaching out to
me almost tears in my eyes
00:25:15.11\00:25:18.05
as you were
talking, because I know
00:25:18.08\00:25:19.91
he was trying to
get your attention
00:25:19.95\00:25:22.08
and show you where you were.
00:25:22.12\00:25:24.29
But by this point
you were so immersed it
00:25:24.32\00:25:28.46
that you made
rationalizations for it.
00:25:28.49\00:25:31.33
Yes.
00:25:31.36\00:25:32.69
So how did these
little compromises
00:25:32.73\00:25:37.10
and rationalizations,
00:25:37.13\00:25:38.90
how did that affect your family?
00:25:38.93\00:25:41.04
By this time I would imagine
00:25:41.07\00:25:42.77
that you have a
family, you're married.
00:25:42.80\00:25:45.21
How did your
studying the martial arts
00:25:45.24\00:25:47.18
affect your family?
00:25:47.21\00:25:50.15
Probably the greatest way
that I noticed from myself
00:25:50.18\00:25:53.38
that the training
in the martial arts,
00:25:53.42\00:25:57.82
and it wasn't just martial arts,
00:25:57.85\00:25:59.42
but it was also
some of the other arts
00:25:59.45\00:26:01.22
that I had begun learning.
00:26:01.26\00:26:02.89
You know, the internal
arts like Tai-chi, or Bagua,
00:26:02.92\00:26:05.86
or Qigong.
00:26:05.89\00:26:07.46
The focus was inward.
00:26:07.50\00:26:09.83
So you know, someone
that practices Tie-Chi,
00:26:09.86\00:26:12.43
you're always taught in
that class how do you feel.
00:26:12.47\00:26:16.24
You know, so instead of
being faith in God's word,
00:26:16.27\00:26:18.27
it's feeling.
00:26:18.31\00:26:19.64
In yoga, your focus is inward.
How does this make you feel?
00:26:19.67\00:26:23.21
Are you breathing right
00:26:23.24\00:26:24.58
or are you feeling
that in the right place?
00:26:24.61\00:26:26.92
Well, looking
inward, the focus is on self,
00:26:26.95\00:26:30.79
in the martial arts
the focus is on self.
00:26:30.82\00:26:33.72
If you open the yellow page
ad, anywhere in the country,
00:26:33.76\00:26:37.39
you'll see one
main description, self,
00:26:37.43\00:26:41.16
self-esteem, self-discipline,
self-control, self-defense.
00:26:41.20\00:26:46.23
Everything's focuses on
self rather than on others.
00:26:46.27\00:26:51.37
So what happened was
00:26:51.41\00:26:52.74
I started noticing in my family,
00:26:52.77\00:26:54.34
in my marriage that
my focus was on self,
00:26:54.38\00:26:58.65
it was on me rather than
on how can I please my wife,
00:26:58.68\00:27:01.95
how can I sacrifice myself
00:27:01.98\00:27:04.22
on behalf of my family, my wife,
00:27:04.25\00:27:06.02
my children, and others.
00:27:06.05\00:27:08.09
My focus was on me, I
want to take care of me.
00:27:08.12\00:27:12.49
And that developed kind
of correlated with your,
00:27:12.53\00:27:18.43
the deeper you got
into the martial arts,
00:27:18.47\00:27:20.70
the more into self you became?
00:27:20.74\00:27:23.00
Yes, Yes.
00:27:23.04\00:27:24.64
And, and that's amazing too
00:27:24.67\00:27:26.24
because like there's a
lot of the yoga websites now,
00:27:26.27\00:27:30.41
when you look,
00:27:30.45\00:27:31.78
they'll have a
picture of the Buddha.
00:27:31.81\00:27:34.95
And they'll have a picture,
you know, and they'll say,
00:27:34.98\00:27:37.69
"Yoga is the study of self,
00:27:37.72\00:27:39.49
it's the realization of
the greater self within."
00:27:39.52\00:27:43.09
And you think, wow,
00:27:43.12\00:27:44.46
I mean, has the Lord
not warned us of this?
00:27:44.49\00:27:46.90
And you know, yoga is
creeping into churches,
00:27:46.93\00:27:51.13
and schools, and
there's just this big push.
00:27:51.17\00:27:55.74
I'm working now on my
second little booklet,
00:27:55.77\00:27:58.37
my first one was,
What's Wrong with Acupuncture?
00:27:58.41\00:28:01.28
Because I was
involved in that for years.
00:28:01.31\00:28:04.71
And now I'm working on
one, What's Wrong with Yoga?"
00:28:04.75\00:28:07.42
Praise the Lord.
00:28:07.45\00:28:08.78
Praise the Lord, because
people think that it's harmless,
00:28:08.82\00:28:12.42
it's just them stretching
and breathing, and it's not.
00:28:12.45\00:28:15.82
What do you say
is wrong with yoga?
00:28:15.86\00:28:18.79
The part that is the most,
00:28:18.83\00:28:23.53
the thing that should
give us the most clear warning
00:28:23.57\00:28:26.53
is what the word
yoga literally means.
00:28:26.57\00:28:29.37
When you look at the word
yoga up, in Hindu, Sanskrit,
00:28:29.40\00:28:33.27
if you go to
any Hindu dictionary
00:28:33.31\00:28:35.34
or any yoga website,
00:28:35.38\00:28:36.78
they are open
about what yoga is.
00:28:36.81\00:28:39.48
The word yoga
literally means to yoke to
00:28:39.51\00:28:42.85
or be joined to Brahma,
00:28:42.88\00:28:45.29
which is another name for
the Hindu Gods collectively.
00:28:45.32\00:28:48.92
And it's a counterfeit.
00:28:48.96\00:28:51.36
Jesus said, "Come
unto me all you that labor
00:28:51.39\00:28:53.60
and are heavy laden,
00:28:53.63\00:28:54.96
take my yoke upon
you and learn of me."
00:28:55.00\00:28:58.20
But these pagan
disciplines are saying,
00:28:58.23\00:29:01.57
"Become yoked to Brahma,
00:29:01.60\00:29:03.44
become yoked or join
to these Hindu Gods."
00:29:03.47\00:29:07.48
So that that's the first
clue that it's not a good thing.
00:29:07.51\00:29:10.78
Absolutely.
00:29:10.81\00:29:12.15
It's interesting
because all of these things
00:29:12.18\00:29:13.55
are the
opposite of Christianity,
00:29:13.58\00:29:15.95
like you were saying a
lot of self, self, self, self
00:29:15.98\00:29:19.52
and then feelings.
00:29:19.55\00:29:20.89
We're taught to operate
off principles not feelings.
00:29:20.92\00:29:23.39
Amen. So that's
very interesting.
00:29:23.43\00:29:26.29
And then it's interesting
that it's, the whole thing
00:29:26.33\00:29:28.83
is seems like in
terms of martial arts
00:29:28.86\00:29:31.63
that it's based
off deception, right?
00:29:31.67\00:29:34.50
So you are supposed
to teach a certain thing
00:29:34.54\00:29:36.57
to different levels.
00:29:36.60\00:29:38.11
So you tell them that
okay, this Chi is just energy,
00:29:38.14\00:29:41.64
it's just the life force.
00:29:41.68\00:29:43.14
Then it becomes breathing.
00:29:43.18\00:29:44.95
Then you know, later
what was the third thing?
00:29:44.98\00:29:47.78
Then it becomes a spirit.
00:29:47.82\00:29:49.15
Then it becomes spirit,
so then you really find out
00:29:49.18\00:29:52.09
once you've
already got deep enough.
00:29:52.12\00:29:55.99
So I find that to
be very interesting,
00:29:56.02\00:30:00.13
almost like gone
back to the garden.
00:30:00.16\00:30:02.70
It is, and it's funny
that you use that analogy
00:30:02.73\00:30:05.37
because when you
look at what they teach
00:30:05.40\00:30:09.87
in any of these
eastern mystical arts,
00:30:09.90\00:30:13.64
I was asked one time, you know,
00:30:13.68\00:30:16.71
what is it, if you
could sum up in one sentence,
00:30:16.75\00:30:19.58
what's the danger of any
of these eastern practices?
00:30:19.61\00:30:23.89
It's one thing.
00:30:23.92\00:30:25.85
It undermines
faith in God's word.
00:30:25.89\00:30:29.86
And let me
share, you just said it.
00:30:29.89\00:30:32.56
They put feeling
instead of faith in God's word,
00:30:32.59\00:30:35.90
instead of principle.
00:30:35.93\00:30:37.27
This is what God says,
I'm going to walk forward
00:30:37.30\00:30:39.37
because he said
this, he's promised this.
00:30:39.40\00:30:42.30
But do I feel that way?
00:30:42.34\00:30:43.81
So you're taught to
rely on how you feel
00:30:43.84\00:30:46.24
rather than what
you know to be right
00:30:46.27\00:30:48.28
from the word of God.
00:30:48.31\00:30:49.88
And in my life,
in the martial arts
00:30:49.91\00:30:52.38
as well as the other arts,
traditional Chinese medicine
00:30:52.41\00:30:55.38
or the qigong or whatever,
00:30:55.42\00:30:57.29
that principle was the same
that was what was compromised.
00:30:57.32\00:31:02.16
So as I began to yield
to what these eastern arts
00:31:02.19\00:31:08.76
were telling me to do,
taking my shoes off, bowing,
00:31:08.80\00:31:11.90
calling the man Sifu
or master or grandmaster,
00:31:11.93\00:31:14.87
when God's word
says don't do that.
00:31:14.90\00:31:17.41
They got easier to compromise.
00:31:17.44\00:31:19.91
And when the enemy came
into my wife and I's life,
00:31:19.94\00:31:22.98
as he attacks so many marriages,
00:31:23.01\00:31:26.08
God's word says,
this is how you do it.
00:31:26.11\00:31:29.58
I hate divorce.
00:31:29.62\00:31:31.39
I have no will that
anyone ever goes through that
00:31:31.42\00:31:34.42
because I know
the damage it does.
00:31:34.46\00:31:37.16
And then I'm used
to looking inwardly,
00:31:37.19\00:31:42.60
how does this make me feel?
00:31:42.63\00:31:44.37
You know, well, I don't care
if that's what God's word says.
00:31:44.40\00:31:47.97
May be he didn't
even really mean that.
00:31:48.00\00:31:49.74
I can remember
00:31:49.77\00:31:51.14
when the devil
first brought the thought
00:31:51.17\00:31:53.54
to my mind about,
00:31:53.58\00:31:54.91
this is not going
to work, you know,
00:31:54.94\00:31:56.28
I'll just need to split up.
00:31:56.31\00:31:57.65
You were made for one another.
00:31:57.68\00:31:59.01
It's like, I went through
this scriptures for months
00:31:59.05\00:32:02.02
looking up every
single word that I can find,
00:32:02.05\00:32:04.95
every promise,
every commanded by God
00:32:04.99\00:32:07.82
that had to do with marriage.
00:32:07.86\00:32:09.62
And it's like I couldn't
find anything to give me an out.
00:32:09.66\00:32:13.73
And it's not that I
wanted to get divorced
00:32:13.76\00:32:15.80
but it was like I had
been taught for all those years
00:32:15.83\00:32:19.40
to top to fight physically,
00:32:19.43\00:32:23.71
even though the
Word of God says,
00:32:23.74\00:32:25.24
"That the weapons of
our warfare are not carnal,
00:32:25.27\00:32:27.48
they're not fleshly."
00:32:27.51\00:32:29.01
So when my
marriage came under attack
00:32:29.04\00:32:31.51
instead of getting on my knees
00:32:31.55\00:32:33.35
and using the
sword of the Spirit,
00:32:33.38\00:32:36.55
I was trying to do
it in my own strength.
00:32:36.58\00:32:38.79
And I failed miserably,
00:32:38.82\00:32:40.66
and I felt like
I couldn't achieve,
00:32:40.69\00:32:42.92
I couldn't do the right thing.
00:32:42.96\00:32:45.16
You know, I would say,
I'm going to bite my tongue,
00:32:45.19\00:32:46.59
I'm not going to say that.
00:32:46.63\00:32:47.96
The next thing I
knew I'm opening my mouth
00:32:48.00\00:32:49.43
and I'm saying something that,
00:32:49.46\00:32:51.00
you know, I shouldn't
say that hurt my wife.
00:32:51.03\00:32:53.84
So it got to a
point where I just said,
00:32:53.87\00:32:55.20
you know I
can't do this anymore,
00:32:55.24\00:32:57.31
I can't live this way anymore.
00:32:57.34\00:32:59.47
And I walked away
from my wife and my family.
00:32:59.51\00:33:02.94
And you know, I was hurting,
00:33:02.98\00:33:05.38
but I hurt them so much greater.
00:33:05.41\00:33:08.38
But all of that came about
because of one simple thing,
00:33:08.42\00:33:12.72
not having faith
00:33:12.75\00:33:14.16
that God will do
exactly what he's promised.
00:33:14.19\00:33:18.19
So was your wife,
00:33:18.23\00:33:20.23
when you were studying
the martial arts and all that,
00:33:20.26\00:33:23.33
was she noticing the
changes in you over the years
00:33:23.37\00:33:27.54
as a result of that or did she,
00:33:27.57\00:33:29.64
does she have a
connect the two things?
00:33:29.67\00:33:33.71
She didn't, when we were,
when we were still together
00:33:33.74\00:33:38.45
because we wound up
going through a separation
00:33:38.48\00:33:40.55
and divorce.
00:33:40.58\00:33:42.95
She saw the changes
but she didn't realize
00:33:42.98\00:33:46.49
that there were spiritual forces
00:33:46.52\00:33:48.39
that were working to
bring those changes about,
00:33:48.42\00:33:51.33
fallen angels.
00:33:51.36\00:33:52.69
I mean, demons or devils,
whatever you want to call them.
00:33:52.73\00:33:56.53
They have an active role
in so many people's lives
00:33:56.56\00:34:00.84
and she didn't realize
00:34:00.87\00:34:02.20
that that's what was
causing the conflict.
00:34:02.24\00:34:05.07
You know, Ephesians 6 tells us
00:34:05.11\00:34:06.98
that we wrestle not
against flesh and blood
00:34:07.01\00:34:09.01
but against
principalities and powers.
00:34:09.04\00:34:11.55
That's not just the people
that are rule in the world,
00:34:11.58\00:34:14.28
it's the people
that are in our homes.
00:34:14.32\00:34:16.89
Like demons. Yeah.
00:34:16.92\00:34:18.92
And we open the door for them
00:34:18.95\00:34:21.66
to the certain
things within our lives
00:34:21.69\00:34:23.56
that open the door
for them to come in.
00:34:23.59\00:34:25.79
That's right,
that's right. Absolutely.
00:34:25.83\00:34:27.16
So by my permission they
were entering into our lives.
00:34:27.20\00:34:31.60
And I'll give an example
00:34:31.63\00:34:33.77
the word martial
art is the art of war.
00:34:33.80\00:34:36.64
It literally means martial,
war, art, the art of war.
00:34:36.67\00:34:41.81
And you think,
00:34:41.84\00:34:43.38
is that what I
wanted to teach my children?
00:34:43.41\00:34:45.61
That's the fruit of
what that training will do.
00:34:45.65\00:34:48.52
They say it's
self-discipline and self-control
00:34:48.55\00:34:51.42
but what you're
actually gonna have
00:34:51.45\00:34:53.19
is you're gonna have
someone who's very proud,
00:34:53.22\00:34:55.59
independent,
un-submissive, selfish,
00:34:55.62\00:35:00.30
self-centered, controlling.
00:35:00.33\00:35:03.26
All of those fruits of warfare,
in my wife and I's life,
00:35:03.30\00:35:09.14
one of the things
that first struck her,
00:35:09.17\00:35:13.51
it was right
after we had separated,
00:35:13.54\00:35:15.64
I don't know if we
were divorced yet or not.
00:35:15.68\00:35:17.41
But the Lord showed her
something, she had a dream.
00:35:17.45\00:35:21.45
And she said, in
this dream she saw,
00:35:21.48\00:35:25.22
the higher level people
that were there at the school,
00:35:25.25\00:35:27.62
that I was training
with, you know the green belts,
00:35:27.66\00:35:29.99
brown belts, black belts.
00:35:30.03\00:35:31.79
And she said, "We were
linked arm and arm together,"
00:35:31.83\00:35:37.07
and she said, "she
looked and she could see us,"
00:35:37.10\00:35:40.34
and then she said, "she
saw on the outside, the wives,
00:35:40.37\00:35:44.97
and the mothers,
and the children.
00:35:45.01\00:35:46.81
And she said, "We were
getting closer in this circle,
00:35:46.84\00:35:51.15
was being pulled tighter,
00:35:51.18\00:35:52.55
and the families were
being pushed to the outside."
00:35:52.58\00:35:57.42
And I remember her
telling me that dream
00:35:57.45\00:35:59.82
and I sort of just dismissed it,
00:35:59.85\00:36:02.06
I didn't want to
hear it when she told me,
00:36:02.09\00:36:03.69
I wasn't, my eyes weren't
opened to hear or to see.
00:36:03.73\00:36:08.36
And but the Lord
is very merciful.
00:36:08.40\00:36:11.80
How did he get your attention?
00:36:11.83\00:36:15.70
One night I was
teaching a class,
00:36:15.74\00:36:18.47
this was after my wife and I
had been divorced for sometime.
00:36:18.51\00:36:25.11
I was teaching a class,
and it was a Bagua class,
00:36:25.15\00:36:28.92
and I was teaching a
beginning level group,
00:36:28.95\00:36:31.39
so we were going
through the motions very slowly,
00:36:31.42\00:36:33.56
it's similar to Tai-Chi.
00:36:33.59\00:36:35.72
And I was leading them
00:36:35.76\00:36:37.66
in what's called
a form or a Kata.
00:36:37.69\00:36:40.90
And I was leading
this group of men and women
00:36:40.93\00:36:44.77
and we were walking
slowly in this circle,
00:36:44.80\00:36:47.14
and we were doing
these certain mudras,
00:36:47.17\00:36:49.17
these hand movements,
00:36:49.20\00:36:50.87
and we were focusing
internally on our breathing
00:36:50.91\00:36:54.31
and focusing on moving
this "energy" through our body.
00:36:54.34\00:37:00.38
And while we were
doing this I looked
00:37:00.42\00:37:02.72
and were moving
no faster than this,
00:37:02.75\00:37:04.92
everything that we
were doing was slow motion.
00:37:04.95\00:37:07.69
And as I was doing
it a looked in the eyes
00:37:07.72\00:37:11.19
of you know, those 12,
13, 14 people that were there,
00:37:11.23\00:37:14.56
however many.
00:37:14.60\00:37:16.43
And it's like they were
in a trance, they were gone,
00:37:16.46\00:37:19.40
and they were drenched in sweat.
00:37:19.43\00:37:22.77
And a thought
popped into my head,
00:37:22.80\00:37:25.67
we have not done
anything that is Callisthenic.
00:37:25.71\00:37:29.14
Why are they sweating?
00:37:29.18\00:37:31.01
I mean,
physically, physiologically,
00:37:31.05\00:37:33.95
that doesn't make sense.
00:37:33.98\00:37:35.48
Why are they drenched in sweat,
and we're moving this slow?
00:37:35.52\00:37:40.72
And at that moment
I remember, it was,
00:37:40.76\00:37:44.23
I felt like I was taken above.
00:37:44.26\00:37:47.86
It's like I was
looking down from 20 feet above
00:37:47.90\00:37:50.87
where we were,
00:37:50.90\00:37:52.23
and I could see
what I was doing,
00:37:52.27\00:37:53.60
I could see our
students and I saw a pattern.
00:37:53.64\00:37:59.97
You know it's like somebody,
00:38:00.01\00:38:01.34
when a farmer
goes out in this field
00:38:01.38\00:38:02.84
and there's a crop
circle, what does he see?
00:38:02.88\00:38:05.48
It's a mess, who
did this to my corn?
00:38:05.51\00:38:08.08
When the guy flies over
that morning in the airplane,
00:38:08.12\00:38:10.59
he's like who did
that design on the ground?
00:38:10.62\00:38:14.02
He doesn't see a mess, he
can see what it really is.
00:38:14.06\00:38:17.56
And the Lord was allowing
me to see from his perspective.
00:38:17.59\00:38:22.16
And when the class was
over, I went to a piece of paper
00:38:22.20\00:38:25.67
and I drew what
that looked like,
00:38:25.70\00:38:27.27
and it was a circle
with a dot in the center,
00:38:27.30\00:38:30.01
a focal point or a bull's eye.
00:38:30.04\00:38:33.38
And all the sudden, it was like
there was a flash in my mind
00:38:33.41\00:38:36.34
of that picture
that, it's called enso,
00:38:36.38\00:38:40.62
that picture of that circle
with that dot in the middle.
00:38:40.65\00:38:43.72
Through all the literature,
all the books that I had,
00:38:43.75\00:38:46.69
didn't matter if they were
Chinese or Japanese or Hindu,
00:38:46.72\00:38:50.26
Aikido, Kung-Fu,
Shaolin, even Filipino.
00:38:50.29\00:38:55.16
I remembered seeing that
in the books in my library.
00:38:55.20\00:38:59.80
And that night I
went home, to my apartment
00:38:59.83\00:39:02.50
and I started
pulling those books out,
00:39:02.54\00:39:05.14
looking for that symbol.
00:39:05.17\00:39:06.57
And after I found it in
so many different places,
00:39:06.61\00:39:09.54
I went online and looked,
00:39:09.58\00:39:11.61
and I saw what that
symbol really meant.
00:39:11.65\00:39:14.12
And I began, the
Lord began to cause me
00:39:14.15\00:39:17.82
to understand the
powers that were behind
00:39:17.85\00:39:20.82
when I was practicing.
00:39:20.86\00:39:23.02
And I thought, you know,
how do I tell my students this?
00:39:23.06\00:39:25.59
I mean, they're going to resist.
00:39:25.63\00:39:26.96
You tell somebody a new
truth and the wall goes up.
00:39:27.00\00:39:29.16
What does the symbol
mean? I'll tell you in a second.
00:39:29.20\00:39:31.87
Okay, okay go ahead, go ahead.
00:39:31.90\00:39:33.34
I got to tell you how...
00:39:33.37\00:39:34.70
Okay, okay go ahead.
00:39:34.74\00:39:37.47
So I went to my
advanced class the next week,
00:39:37.51\00:39:40.08
we had a special group of people
00:39:40.11\00:39:41.64
that met on a certain
night, 10 o'clock at night
00:39:41.68\00:39:44.61
after all the
other classes were done,
00:39:44.65\00:39:46.72
and we had a closed door class,
00:39:46.75\00:39:48.48
where I taught them
about the secret stuff
00:39:48.52\00:39:50.29
in martial arts, you
know, Chi and Energy.
00:39:50.32\00:39:53.02
And I told my son, I
have homework for you.
00:39:53.05\00:39:56.46
I said, "I want you to,"
00:39:56.49\00:39:57.83
I drew that symbol
on the board, I said,
00:39:57.86\00:40:00.73
"I want you to find out
what this symbol means."
00:40:00.76\00:40:02.43
I said, "I don't
care where you look,
00:40:02.46\00:40:04.17
you can look in Babylonian,
Egyptian Hieroglyphs,
00:40:04.20\00:40:08.00
you can look in witchcraft,
you can look in Tattoo books,
00:40:08.04\00:40:11.14
you can look in martial arts."
00:40:11.17\00:40:12.67
I said, "I don't care
where you find that symbol,
00:40:12.71\00:40:14.74
find that symbol and
find the meaning for me."
00:40:14.78\00:40:16.88
And the symbol is a
circle, within a circle.
00:40:16.91\00:40:20.32
It's a circle with
a dot in the center.
00:40:20.35\00:40:22.65
A circle with a dot.
00:40:22.68\00:40:24.02
It can be, doesn't
matter the size of the dot,
00:40:24.05\00:40:25.62
it's just a
circle within a circle.
00:40:25.65\00:40:28.82
And, anyway, so
left on with that,
00:40:28.86\00:40:31.96
didn't make a
big issue out of it.
00:40:31.99\00:40:33.73
They all came back the
next week for that class
00:40:33.76\00:40:36.53
and you could
have heard a pin drop
00:40:36.56\00:40:38.93
when I walked in.
00:40:38.97\00:40:40.30
Nobody was talking.
Everybody was just silent.
00:40:40.34\00:40:43.94
And I asked them I said,
00:40:43.97\00:40:45.31
"Okay," I said,
"Who wants to go first?"
00:40:45.34\00:40:47.88
And one by one
they began to get up
00:40:47.91\00:40:50.15
and share what they found
and what their sources were.
00:40:50.18\00:40:53.52
And they were from
all kinds of sources.
00:40:53.55\00:40:56.69
But all of them
had the same answer.
00:40:56.72\00:40:58.85
All of these high level students
00:40:58.89\00:41:00.89
had the same answer.
00:41:00.92\00:41:02.52
The symbol is the
symbol for the Sun God.
00:41:02.56\00:41:06.39
It was the original
symbol of the Yin and Yang.
00:41:06.43\00:41:09.06
You know we see a Yin and
Yang, which is part white,
00:41:09.10\00:41:11.73
part black, a little
bit a wide in the dark place
00:41:11.77\00:41:14.97
and a little bit of
black in the light place.
00:41:15.00\00:41:17.21
That symbol
originally was just a circle.
00:41:17.24\00:41:20.24
And then the Dao said,
00:41:20.28\00:41:21.64
"It's really a circle
with a dot in the center."
00:41:21.68\00:41:23.95
And then they said,
00:41:23.98\00:41:25.31
"No, it's really a
symbol with a Yin and Yang.
00:41:25.35\00:41:29.48
And now we're seeing
that change one more time
00:41:29.52\00:41:31.79
to where it's actually three,
00:41:31.82\00:41:35.09
there's a division
into three spheres.
00:41:35.12\00:41:39.46
But they all found it.
00:41:39.49\00:41:40.90
So I didn't have to
tell them what I had found,
00:41:40.93\00:41:44.13
they found it.
00:41:44.17\00:41:45.87
The Sun God.
00:41:45.90\00:41:48.04
I hope that our
viewers are picking up
00:41:48.07\00:41:52.24
on what this
really is, this is not...
00:41:52.27\00:41:55.74
Again, there are surface things
00:41:55.78\00:41:58.41
and then there are
latent, a cult, hidden things.
00:41:58.45\00:42:03.79
And the Lord
would have us to know
00:42:03.82\00:42:06.89
what is really behind
this eastern mysticism.
00:42:06.92\00:42:10.99
Remember, in the Bible
00:42:11.03\00:42:12.36
how people will
worship famous Sun,
00:42:12.39\00:42:15.43
God hated that.
00:42:15.46\00:42:17.20
And now it's all
through the martial arts,
00:42:17.23\00:42:20.87
the Yin and the Yang, you know,
00:42:20.90\00:42:22.34
the whole concept of blending...
00:42:22.37\00:42:25.77
The light with dark.
00:42:25.81\00:42:27.14
Light with
darkness, good and evil.
00:42:27.18\00:42:29.18
It's like God
never called this to--
00:42:29.21\00:42:31.01
we are to eschew evil.
00:42:31.05\00:42:32.58
Amen.
00:42:32.61\00:42:33.95
But God, but,
00:42:33.98\00:42:36.12
God, would have us to know
that this is what's going on
00:42:36.15\00:42:42.09
out there so that
we can be equipped,
00:42:42.12\00:42:44.09
we can be equipped
and well furnished.
00:42:44.13\00:42:46.70
Now, what about if you,
is there any way to separate,
00:42:46.73\00:42:50.93
let's say you want to
learn self-defense techniques.
00:42:50.97\00:42:53.64
Like how can you separate,
00:42:53.67\00:42:55.74
or can you even
separate the spiritual component
00:42:55.77\00:42:59.37
from the actual physical part?
00:42:59.41\00:43:02.74
That's a good question,
00:43:02.78\00:43:04.11
and we have a lot of Christians,
00:43:04.15\00:43:05.48
especially men that ask that.
00:43:05.51\00:43:07.12
Because you know, as a man,
00:43:07.15\00:43:09.32
we ought to
protect our families,
00:43:09.35\00:43:10.85
we are to protect the helpless.
00:43:10.89\00:43:15.06
What I have found
00:43:15.09\00:43:17.03
and I encourage
every man and woman
00:43:17.06\00:43:19.23
that's listening, you
know, seek the Lord personally
00:43:19.26\00:43:22.93
for they answer
of this question.
00:43:22.96\00:43:24.30
I'm going to share with
you what the Lord has shown me.
00:43:24.33\00:43:28.90
The idea, let's take
for example of our military.
00:43:28.94\00:43:32.34
Right now our
military is being trained
00:43:32.37\00:43:34.01
in a lot of the
different eastern arts.
00:43:34.04\00:43:37.18
Our police officers are being
trained heavily in the Chinese,
00:43:37.21\00:43:42.58
and the Japanese, and
the Filipino martial arts.
00:43:42.62\00:43:47.92
We did not see
military or law enforcement
00:43:47.96\00:43:52.09
using these arts
until after World War II,
00:43:52.13\00:43:55.73
when our troops
came home from Asia,
00:43:55.76\00:43:59.27
from Okinawa.
00:43:59.30\00:44:00.84
When, when our
troops went to Okinawa,
00:44:00.87\00:44:02.80
they saw all these
little masters, you know,
00:44:02.84\00:44:04.94
some of them only
4.8 foot, 5 foot tall,
00:44:04.97\00:44:07.98
they could do the
seemly miraculous things,
00:44:08.01\00:44:11.88
and they were enthralled.
00:44:11.91\00:44:13.82
And they came back
00:44:13.85\00:44:15.18
and they brought that with them.
00:44:15.22\00:44:16.55
And then the Orient
00:44:16.58\00:44:17.92
begin to send
more masters over here
00:44:17.95\00:44:20.06
to introduce you know,
these eastern techniques.
00:44:20.09\00:44:24.39
Because with the
eastern techniques
00:44:24.43\00:44:26.16
comes the eastern philosophy.
00:44:26.19\00:44:28.43
Yin and Yang, every art,
00:44:28.46\00:44:30.97
no matter whether
it's Chinese medicine
00:44:31.00\00:44:32.80
or yoga or Tai-Chi
or Reiki or kung-fu,
00:44:32.83\00:44:38.37
it doesn't matter.
00:44:38.41\00:44:39.77
Every one of those arts,
00:44:39.81\00:44:41.54
their philosophy is
based on Yin and Yang,
00:44:41.58\00:44:44.25
the blending of
light and darkness.
00:44:44.28\00:44:46.65
Now with self-defense,
and I'll give you an example.
00:44:46.68\00:44:50.79
I cannot find the
phrase self-defense
00:44:50.82\00:44:53.66
anywhere in Scripture.
00:44:53.69\00:44:55.39
I can find, I can
find hundreds of places
00:44:55.42\00:44:59.29
where it says, "The
Lord is my defense."
00:44:59.33\00:45:01.83
And I'll share with you
why I respond with that.
00:45:01.86\00:45:05.57
I remember one day
when my stepfather,
00:45:05.60\00:45:07.70
and he is a God-fearing man.
00:45:07.74\00:45:09.57
He came to visit with my
mom and my family had left
00:45:09.60\00:45:15.08
and he and I were there alone.
00:45:15.11\00:45:16.44
And he came into the office
and he said, he said, "Eric,
00:45:16.48\00:45:19.75
let me ask you a question
now that your wife's not here."
00:45:19.78\00:45:22.88
He said, "Now I know you
got out of the martial arts,"
00:45:22.92\00:45:25.39
he said, "I know God you
know, called you out of that."
00:45:25.42\00:45:27.42
And he said, "But if someone
broke into your house tonight
00:45:27.46\00:45:32.73
and they were going to
hurt your wife and children,"
00:45:32.76\00:45:35.56
he said, "You'd use
those martial arts techniques
00:45:35.60\00:45:39.17
to defend your
family, wouldn't you?"
00:45:39.20\00:45:41.37
And the moment he
started the question
00:45:41.40\00:45:42.80
I knew where it was
going, and I was praying,
00:45:42.84\00:45:45.77
I was like,
Lord, I need an answer,
00:45:45.81\00:45:47.58
not my answer, I
need your answer.
00:45:47.61\00:45:49.31
What is your answer?
00:45:49.34\00:45:51.21
And the Lord
gave me that answer.
00:45:51.25\00:45:53.62
And I told him, I
said, "Wayne," I said,
00:45:53.65\00:45:56.55
"I know you're a man of God,
00:45:56.58\00:45:57.92
I know you believe
the Bible, don't you?"
00:45:57.95\00:45:59.72
And he said, "Yes."
00:45:59.75\00:46:01.09
And I said, "Right
here, in Psalm 34:7-8,
00:46:01.12\00:46:06.53
there's a
promise that's given us."
00:46:06.56\00:46:08.90
The Lord says,
"The angel of the Lord
00:46:08.93\00:46:12.93
encamps round about them
00:46:12.97\00:46:15.10
that fear Him and delivers them.
00:46:15.14\00:46:19.14
Blessed is the man
that trust within him.
00:46:19.17\00:46:22.68
Oh, taste and see
that the Lord is good."
00:46:22.71\00:46:25.98
And I said, "You know what,"
00:46:26.01\00:46:27.35
I said, "I'm not saying that
God is going to condemn someone
00:46:27.38\00:46:31.65
who uses a gun or
that uses a baseball bat
00:46:31.69\00:46:34.89
or uses pepper spray.
00:46:34.92\00:46:37.03
That's not what I'm saying."
00:46:37.06\00:46:38.59
I said, "But what I
have decided in my life
00:46:38.63\00:46:40.76
is I want to walk
on a path of faith.
00:46:40.80\00:46:44.33
I want to walk as I
see Peter, and James,
00:46:44.37\00:46:46.70
and John, and Paul.
00:46:46.74\00:46:48.50
And I can't find
one account of them
00:46:48.54\00:46:50.44
ever having to defend themselves
00:46:50.47\00:46:52.87
in the New Testament."
00:46:52.91\00:46:55.04
Now I did have someone
bring it to me one time
00:46:55.08\00:46:57.71
to question, the Old Testament.
00:46:57.75\00:46:59.35
Well, God sent
the children of Israel
00:46:59.38\00:47:01.15
into the land of
Canaan, and he said,
00:47:01.18\00:47:02.52
wipe out man, woman, and
child, and what about that?
00:47:02.55\00:47:06.39
And I was like,
00:47:06.42\00:47:07.76
okay, that's a good
question Lord, you know.
00:47:07.79\00:47:09.42
What your answer to that?
00:47:09.46\00:47:11.29
And a friend of mine
have a little light studios,
00:47:11.33\00:47:13.70
just happened to
have that answer.
00:47:13.73\00:47:15.83
And he called me one day
and he shared it with me.
00:47:15.86\00:47:17.90
He said, "Eric
did you ever notice
00:47:17.93\00:47:19.87
that when the children of Israel
00:47:19.90\00:47:21.34
were sent into
the land of Canaan,
00:47:21.37\00:47:22.94
what the Lord told them?"
00:47:22.97\00:47:24.84
I said, I mean, no, I didn't.
00:47:24.87\00:47:27.18
He said, it actually
says, you won't have to fight
00:47:27.21\00:47:30.45
because I'm going to send
the hornets in the bees in,
00:47:30.48\00:47:33.38
in front of you
00:47:33.42\00:47:34.75
and they will drive out
the inhabitants of the land.
00:47:34.78\00:47:37.72
But you know what,
00:47:37.75\00:47:39.09
they didn't trust God to
do what he said he would do.
00:47:39.12\00:47:40.99
So God said, "Okay, if you're
going to have to go to Plan B,
00:47:41.02\00:47:44.83
then I'll help you.
00:47:44.86\00:47:46.80
But I want plan A."
00:47:46.83\00:47:48.83
So, you know, when it
comes to self-defense,
00:47:48.86\00:47:52.73
when Jesus said,
turn the other cheek,
00:47:52.77\00:47:54.77
he's not talking about somebody
00:47:54.80\00:47:56.14
that's trying to
murder you or your family.
00:47:56.17\00:47:58.57
He's talking about
you and I have an issue,
00:47:58.61\00:48:00.94
or you and some
man has an issue,
00:48:00.98\00:48:02.81
and there's pride involved,
and I'm trying to show you up
00:48:02.84\00:48:05.31
or you're trying to show me up.
00:48:05.35\00:48:07.02
Jesus was like, take the blow.
00:48:07.05\00:48:09.08
I mean, it's not
going to kill you,
00:48:09.12\00:48:10.62
get knocked down,
it's not going to kill you.
00:48:10.65\00:48:13.56
So that's what that means
00:48:13.59\00:48:14.92
when it talks about
turn the other cheek.
00:48:14.96\00:48:16.86
You know, defending your family,
00:48:16.89\00:48:18.29
I encourage each of us
00:48:18.33\00:48:20.23
because of the
days we're living in,
00:48:20.26\00:48:22.83
to learn how to
take hold of his promises
00:48:22.86\00:48:25.33
and not let go
because he cannot lie.
00:48:25.37\00:48:29.17
So if someone is,
'cause this question
00:48:29.20\00:48:31.71
had crossed my mind earlier.
00:48:31.74\00:48:33.34
If after 24, 25
years of practicing that,
00:48:33.38\00:48:38.71
if someone
approached you from the back
00:48:38.75\00:48:40.95
and just grabbed you,
00:48:40.98\00:48:42.32
would you just instinctively
go into a defensive mode,
00:48:42.35\00:48:46.42
just because that's kind
of, that was where you were?
00:48:46.45\00:48:50.43
Do you kind of instinctively
respond to that or,
00:48:50.46\00:48:55.50
'cause you might
not even have a chance
00:48:55.53\00:48:57.20
to cognitively go there.
00:48:57.23\00:48:59.87
I'm just, you know
what I mean, like...
00:48:59.90\00:49:01.24
Like a reflex. Like a reflex.
00:49:01.27\00:49:02.77
Okay, and that's I'm
glad you brought that up.
00:49:02.80\00:49:07.61
One of the grandmasters I
trained with, there were two.
00:49:07.64\00:49:10.18
The first one, he told me
something he said, "Eric,"
00:49:10.21\00:49:12.45
he said, "you never want there
to be a thought in a fight."
00:49:12.48\00:49:16.99
He said, "If you think
00:49:17.02\00:49:18.65
while you're
fighting you've already lost."
00:49:18.69\00:49:21.42
We were taught in
the Chinese system,
00:49:21.46\00:49:23.36
in kung-fu, you've
got to become the animal.
00:49:23.39\00:49:26.90
If you're a tiger
stylist, you have to become,
00:49:26.93\00:49:31.03
you have to allow
that spirit of the tiger
00:49:31.07\00:49:34.07
to take possession of you.
00:49:34.10\00:49:35.80
And they
weren't really you know,
00:49:35.84\00:49:38.77
in a nice way, you know.
00:49:38.81\00:49:40.71
You want to
become like that tiger,
00:49:40.74\00:49:42.84
and that inspires you with, wow,
00:49:42.88\00:49:44.55
they're ferocious
and they're brave.
00:49:44.58\00:49:46.41
And they let
that go for a while.
00:49:46.45\00:49:48.32
But after you
get past black belt
00:49:48.35\00:49:50.15
or right at, they tell
you, you have to become it.
00:49:50.19\00:49:53.86
You don't pretend anymore.
We go through the motions.
00:49:53.89\00:49:57.79
Like in the
Chinese system, you know,
00:49:57.83\00:49:59.16
you would do
motions like a tiger
00:49:59.19\00:50:01.36
or stance like a tiger.
00:50:01.40\00:50:03.40
But we do that because you're
going through those motions
00:50:03.43\00:50:06.33
to make it easier to
allow that spirit to come in.
00:50:06.37\00:50:11.04
So on a self-defense,
you know, viewpoint,
00:50:11.07\00:50:16.44
when we look at
that and you think,
00:50:16.48\00:50:19.35
how do I defend
myself against somebody?
00:50:19.38\00:50:21.85
You know, are those
reactions going to come back?
00:50:21.88\00:50:26.19
Walking away from martial arts
is not like walking away from,
00:50:26.22\00:50:29.82
okay, I'm not going
to go clubbing anymore,
00:50:29.86\00:50:31.46
I'm not going to
listen to rock 'n' roll music.
00:50:31.49\00:50:34.86
There were spirits
that had been there
00:50:34.90\00:50:36.83
influencing my
life for those 25 years,
00:50:36.87\00:50:40.14
those had to be
cast out of my life.
00:50:40.17\00:50:44.17
And when the Lord, you
know, set me free from that.
00:50:44.21\00:50:47.84
I remember, I kept a
couple of boxes that had rank,
00:50:47.88\00:50:52.71
and certificates,
and all these pictures,
00:50:52.75\00:50:55.18
and videos, and
books and all that junk.
00:50:55.22\00:50:58.55
And one day the Lord
spoke to me and he was like,
00:50:58.59\00:51:00.49
how long are you
going to keep that stuff?
00:51:00.52\00:51:03.09
I said, why, I may
need that, Lord, you know,
00:51:03.12\00:51:04.73
one day to show people.
00:51:04.76\00:51:06.09
And God was like, burn it,
00:51:06.13\00:51:08.63
because you still
haven't closed the door.
00:51:08.66\00:51:11.27
So what I did was, I
photocopied everything
00:51:11.30\00:51:13.23
that need to be photocopied,
00:51:13.27\00:51:15.24
and I went outside my family
and we lit a nice bonfire.
00:51:15.27\00:51:19.77
And it was amazing
because when we did this,
00:51:19.81\00:51:23.41
I was burning the belts,
and burning certificates.
00:51:23.45\00:51:26.01
And certificates
on parchment paper,
00:51:26.05\00:51:27.75
you know, it's just paper.
00:51:27.78\00:51:29.35
You'd stick a green
belt certificate in there
00:51:29.38\00:51:31.19
and it was gone.
00:51:31.22\00:51:33.25
And I put the first black
belt certificate in there,
00:51:33.29\00:51:36.12
in kung-fu, and it took
probably 10 or 15 minutes
00:51:36.16\00:51:39.33
for that one
piece of paper to burn.
00:51:39.36\00:51:42.50
It sat there in
the middle of a bonfire
00:51:42.53\00:51:44.57
that was you
know, four feet tall
00:51:44.60\00:51:47.07
and it sizzled and smoked,
but would not catch fire.
00:51:47.10\00:51:51.24
And my son even noticed it,
00:51:51.27\00:51:53.07
he was like, "Dad,
what what's wrong with that?
00:51:53.11\00:51:55.38
Why would it not burn?"
00:51:55.41\00:51:57.45
And same thing, when I put
that first black belt in there.
00:51:57.48\00:52:00.18
I mean, it took
forever for that thing to burn.
00:52:00.22\00:52:03.18
And the other belts, it
was like there were gone.
00:52:03.22\00:52:06.25
But God told me, he
said, Eric, he said,
00:52:06.29\00:52:08.02
when you come out of
it, are you willing for me
00:52:08.06\00:52:11.56
to deliver you
from all the gifts
00:52:11.59\00:52:13.70
that you've gained?
00:52:13.73\00:52:15.56
And I remember the
verse in the Bible, it says,
00:52:15.60\00:52:17.53
'If any man be in Christ
Jesus he is a new creation.
00:52:17.57\00:52:21.34
Old things are passed away,
00:52:21.37\00:52:23.24
behold, all
things are become new."
00:52:23.27\00:52:25.37
And I wrestled with that
for a few days and I was like,
00:52:25.41\00:52:28.48
I'm willing for you
to take those gifts.
00:52:28.51\00:52:30.51
I'm willing for you
to take those memories,
00:52:30.55\00:52:32.61
and I forsake them.
00:52:32.65\00:52:34.22
And so now if somebody comes up
00:52:34.25\00:52:35.82
and they grab a hold of me,
00:52:35.85\00:52:37.75
they're just grabbing
a hold of just a nobody.
00:52:37.79\00:52:40.42
I'm 47 year old, nobody.
00:52:40.46\00:52:43.26
Well, that's amazing,
your story is amazing.
00:52:43.29\00:52:45.69
And we are planning to air,
00:52:45.73\00:52:48.46
you have a documentary
really, a two part series
00:52:48.50\00:52:52.57
that we want to
air on Dare to Dream.
00:52:52.60\00:52:54.40
We want to show a clip
from that in just a second,
00:52:54.44\00:52:57.11
but your story is just amazing,
and we thank you so much.
00:52:57.14\00:53:01.48
Let's show that clip
00:53:01.51\00:53:02.84
so that viewers can see
what's going to be on that.
00:53:02.88\00:53:05.85
I remember my first introduction
00:53:20.90\00:53:22.50
to the martial arts.
00:53:22.53\00:53:24.80
I was only about
four or five years old,
00:53:24.83\00:53:27.00
as I watched in amazement
as a little oriental man
00:53:27.04\00:53:30.34
perform seemingly impossible
feats of skill and power.
00:53:30.37\00:53:34.88
A seed was planted that day,
00:53:34.91\00:53:37.11
a seed which grew
silently within in my heart
00:53:37.15\00:53:39.71
for the next 10
years of my young life.
00:53:39.75\00:53:43.12
I never forgot the exhibition
that I had seen that day,
00:53:43.15\00:53:46.69
and I dreamed of the possibility
00:53:46.72\00:53:48.36
of doing those things,
00:53:48.39\00:53:49.72
which I had watched
the little old Asian man
00:53:49.76\00:53:52.33
demonstrate with such ease.
00:53:52.36\00:53:54.96
But little did I
realize the darkness
00:53:55.00\00:53:56.90
into which this path I
was now following would lead.
00:53:56.93\00:54:00.60
Nor the lives that
my decision that day
00:54:00.64\00:54:02.70
would influence
and forever change.
00:54:02.74\00:54:06.11
Today, the martial arts
are looked upon as sport,
00:54:06.14\00:54:09.31
as self-defense,
help, and fitness,
00:54:09.34\00:54:12.58
and often as a form
of artistic expression.
00:54:12.61\00:54:15.78
But is this the
way it is always been?
00:54:15.82\00:54:18.59
Who are these men and
women who dedicate their lives
00:54:18.62\00:54:21.59
to these arts
and amaze onlookers
00:54:21.62\00:54:24.29
with their incredible feats
00:54:24.33\00:54:25.93
of almost
superhuman strength and speed?
00:54:25.96\00:54:29.20
How are these
abilities attained?
00:54:29.23\00:54:31.23
And from whence
comes the philosophies
00:54:31.27\00:54:33.64
and spiritual teachings
which permeate practices?
00:54:33.67\00:54:37.77
Why do we see such
a growing influence
00:54:37.81\00:54:39.97
of Eastern philosophy
and mystical practices
00:54:40.01\00:54:42.28
within the Christian
church over the last 10 years?
00:54:42.31\00:54:45.91
Are these practices focused
merely on athletic ability?
00:54:45.95\00:54:49.48
Or are they being
used to prepare mankind
00:54:49.52\00:54:52.19
for the coming
of a world teacher
00:54:52.22\00:54:54.46
and a 1,000 years of peace?
00:54:54.49\00:54:57.66
Are these eastern mystical arts,
00:54:57.69\00:54:59.49
based merely on
human talent and ability?
00:54:59.53\00:55:02.56
Or is there
something much darker
00:55:02.60\00:55:04.43
and more elusive
working behind the scenes?
00:55:04.47\00:55:09.54
Wow! The Dragon Revealed.
00:55:09.57\00:55:12.71
That's, it's an
amazing documentary.
00:55:12.74\00:55:14.81
And Eric, and
Little Light Studios
00:55:14.84\00:55:17.81
have given us
permission to share it with you.
00:55:17.85\00:55:20.52
So check your
listing, your schedule
00:55:20.55\00:55:22.95
to see when it's going to air
00:55:22.98\00:55:24.95
because we're going to
air it on Sabbath afternoons,
00:55:24.99\00:55:27.02
on Saturday, for
those you don't know
00:55:27.06\00:55:28.82
when the Sabbath is.
00:55:28.86\00:55:30.19
The Seventh-day of
the week, Saturday.
00:55:30.23\00:55:32.03
We're going to start
airing it on the Sabbath,
00:55:32.06\00:55:34.40
Saturday afternoon.
00:55:34.43\00:55:35.76
So check your schedule to
see when it's going to air.
00:55:35.80\00:55:40.04
Excellent.
00:55:40.07\00:55:41.40
So, Eric, what
would you tell our viewers
00:55:41.44\00:55:43.54
in one minute or so.
00:55:43.57\00:55:45.61
What would you tell the viewer
00:55:45.64\00:55:47.58
who has been
involved in the martial arts,
00:55:47.61\00:55:51.98
how can they detach from it?
00:55:52.01\00:55:54.82
What can they do
to get away from it?
00:55:54.85\00:55:57.35
Tell them, please
look into that camera
00:55:57.39\00:55:59.22
and talk to our
viewer about their journey.
00:55:59.25\00:56:03.76
What I would do for anyone
00:56:03.79\00:56:06.63
that this had
involvement in these arts,
00:56:06.66\00:56:08.80
whether it be martial
arts, or Tie-Chi or yoga,
00:56:08.83\00:56:12.03
just seek from God's
word first the truth.
00:56:12.07\00:56:16.34
Lord, does this
line up with your word?
00:56:16.37\00:56:19.11
Once you've done that,
all it takes is surrender.
00:56:19.14\00:56:22.61
The moment that we
go to Christ and we say,
00:56:22.64\00:56:25.18
I'm so sorry what I did,
00:56:25.21\00:56:26.78
I didn't know this was ignorant.
00:56:26.82\00:56:29.08
I didn't know when
I was involved in it.
00:56:29.12\00:56:31.69
Ask Him to forgive you,
00:56:31.72\00:56:33.62
tell him that
you want to surrender
00:56:33.66\00:56:35.29
and be completely his.
00:56:35.32\00:56:37.33
And the moment you do that,
00:56:37.36\00:56:39.46
that moment he
will set you free.
00:56:39.49\00:56:42.86
We so appreciate
you and your ministry.
00:56:42.90\00:56:45.87
Tell us, give us your website
so that people can find you.
00:56:45.90\00:56:49.10
Our website is
IsaiahMinistries.wordpress.com.
00:56:49.14\00:56:54.34
And we'd be happy
to answer questions
00:56:54.38\00:56:56.64
or to also send help if someone
would like help or prayer.
00:56:56.68\00:56:59.91
Oh, that's great.
00:56:59.95\00:57:01.28
Thank you so for being with us.
It is a pleasure to meet you.
00:57:01.32\00:57:03.22
And you too, J. You too.
00:57:03.25\00:57:05.45
Matthew 7:17-20 says,
00:57:05.49\00:57:07.86
"Even so every good tree
bringeth forth good fruit
00:57:07.89\00:57:10.96
but a corrupt tree
bringeth forth evil fruit.
00:57:10.99\00:57:14.20
A good tree cannot
bring forth evil fruit
00:57:14.23\00:57:17.07
neither can a corrupt
tree bring forth good fruit.
00:57:17.10\00:57:20.04
Every tree that bringeth not
forth good fruit is hewn down
00:57:20.07\00:57:23.64
and cast into the fire.
00:57:23.67\00:57:25.47
Wherefore by their
fruits ye shall know them."
00:57:25.51\00:57:28.61
So we ask you today,
00:57:28.64\00:57:30.31
what is the root of the
tree that you are developing?
00:57:30.35\00:57:35.18
Is it a corrupt tree
00:57:35.22\00:57:38.42
or is it good fruit
that's gonna be born
00:57:38.45\00:57:41.29
from a good root?
00:57:41.32\00:57:44.03
Check and see
what you're studying,
00:57:44.06\00:57:46.33
make sure that
you're in the will of God.
00:57:46.36\00:57:49.03
God has a plan for you,
He's not gonna let you down.
00:57:49.06\00:57:53.03
So thank you so
much for joining us.
00:57:53.07\00:57:55.10
Thank you, Jason. And
you're welcome, mother.
00:57:55.14\00:57:57.27
Thank you again,
Eric. This was a blessing.
00:57:57.31\00:58:00.48
Join us next time
'cause you know what,
00:58:00.51\00:58:02.24
it's just wouldn't
be the same without you.
00:58:02.28\00:58:04.61