Are you tough enough?
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Stay tuned to meet a man
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who can help you
answer that question.
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My name is Jason Bradley
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is
Pastor Carl McRoy,
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author and publishing director
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of the South Atlantic Conference
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of Seventh-day Adventist.
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Welcome to Urban
Report, Pastor Mc.
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Thank you.
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So tell us a little
bit about your background?
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Where are you from?
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Were you always
raised Adventist?
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I'm originally from
Minneapolis, Minnesota.
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I was raised
Adventist and, you know,
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we've moved around quite a bit
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so lived in
Minneapolis, Kansas city,
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Akron, Ohio,
Charlotte, North Carolina.
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Wow!
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We could go on a
few other places.
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It almost sounds like
you're in a military family.
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You just do what you got to do,
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may be it was
preparation for ministry.
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Uh-huh, uh-huh,
moving around a lot.
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At what age did you realize
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that you want
to become a pastor?
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It's kind of funny because
I went to Oakwood in 1999.
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It was about 10 years
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after people
have been telling me
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that I should go
into the ministry.
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But even when I went to Oakwood,
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I wasn't going there
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with the idea of being a pastor.
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I just simply wanted
to improve the talents
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that God had given me.
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Okay, okay, wonderful.
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I went to Oakwood too.
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Okay. At what years?
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So fellow Oakwood, I...
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2005 I believe.
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I went to semester
starting in January.
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All right. Yeah, I went then.
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The snack bar
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was one of my
favorite places at Oakwood.
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So you've written
several books, all right.
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One of them is
"Yell at God and live."
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I know that's a,
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that title gets
a lot of questions.
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So tell us about that book?
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What motivated you to write that
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and what do you mean
at yell at God and live?
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All right.
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I guess of all with the title,
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you know, there's a story of Job
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where he is afflicted by Satan.
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He doesn't know
what's going on though
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as he's going
through his affliction.
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And extremely low time
in his life his wife says,
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"Why don't you
just curse God and die."
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So I just kind of
turned that around and said,
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"Yell at God and live."
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The idea is that contrary
to what Job's wife thought,
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God is big enough
that you can go to Him
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with all of your
problems, all of your feelings,
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and, you know, even,
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even if you think
that He is your problem,
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you can tell Him
whatever needs to be said.
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He is big
enough to absorb it on.
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And so you can
yell at Him and live.
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So let me get this straight.
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You're not talking about
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yelling at God in a
disrespectful manner,
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you're talking about
taking your concerns to God.
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Yes, what we're saying is stop
trying to dress everything up.
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Make it nice and pretty
before you present it to God.
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He knows...
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Psalms says that He
knows our thoughts from afar.
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Whatever you're
thinking about God,
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He already knows
what you're thinking.
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So you're not fooling
Him by using pretty language
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or worst yet hiding from God,
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afraid to have a
conversation with God
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until you're able to fix it up.
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So basically, none of
this superficial prayer,
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just be real with God
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because He knows the
end from the beginning.
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So I mean that
makes a lot of sense.
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I just know that,
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that the title
when I first read it,
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I was trying to
figure it out myself
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but I know that if
I got angry at my mom,
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then I start to
yelling at my mom,
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there'd be some consequences.
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Right, but see, God
is bigger than your mom.
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He's bigger than your dad.
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And He knows what
we're going through.
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We have examples from scripture.
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I often autograph my book
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and I put Psalm 88
and I'll say to Jason.
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Psalm 88 then I sign my name.
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Psalm 88 is and it's,
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it's the
centerpiece of this book.
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And as you read it,
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the author is just accusing God
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of one bad thing after another.
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It doesn't seem
very pious at all.
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And so sometimes we
have ideas about God
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about how we need to
present ourselves to God.
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But the unfortunate
thing is that many times
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those ideas don't
come from His word.
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So where, what do you think
those ideas are coming from
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or who, like so you think,
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basically it's
coming from people
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but it's not based
on the word of God.
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Okay.
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Now in Psalm 88,
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I remember reading in your book
that basically there was like
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one positive
thing at the beginning
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and then it went
from worse to the worst.
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Right, yeah, he blames God.
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He blames God
for being depressed.
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He blames God for
losing all of his friends.
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He blames God for everything.
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And most of the Psalms,
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while they might compliant
about situations in their life,
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at the end, they
give glory to God.
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Psalm 88 doesn't
do that at the end.
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It leaves you in a dark tunnel.
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Man, let's see,
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it's like there's so many times
where we go through tough times
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and it's not God that's
causing the tough times.
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He may be
allowing them to happen
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but there's a blessing
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at the end of the
tunnel, there's...
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He is helping to shape
our character and refine us,
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so I could see that.
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And also one of the
things is that, I mean,
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I could have called it
Comforters Incorporated.
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Comforters Incorporated,
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which is the final
chapter of the book.
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But I wasn't writing
this to church people.
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My primary audience
is outside of the church.
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And there are a lot of people
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who are skeptics, atheists
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because of some
situation in their life.
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It caused
anger. It caused grief.
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And they got superficial
answers from the church.
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And they're told things
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of how they need to talk
to God and how, you know,
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they need to dress
it up, make it pretty.
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And so questions
start arising, you know,
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well, if God is so big,
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if He's everything
that you say He is,
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why can't I ask Him a question?
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You know, but often
we're told not to question God.
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But again the
Bible is full of people
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who questioned God.
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And you also brought up a
point in there about Jesus
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questioning the Father,
touch on that a little bit?
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Well, in the chapter
"Yell at God and live"
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I say that Jesus
yelled at God and He lives.
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Jesus yelled at God
while He was on the cross.
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He said, "My God, My God,
why have you forsaken me?"
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Now the Father
hadn't really forsaken Him.
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He's following
through with Father's plan,
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but in the moment of anguish,
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these words come
out of His mouth.
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And the Bible says furthermore
that it was with a loud voice,
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He cried, "My God, My
God, why have You forsaken Me?"
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He didn't whisper it.
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It wasn't a whimper, He yelled.
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Yeah, yeah.
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When you think
about that sacrifice,
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when you think about
being separated from the Father
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like that and
what Christ did for us
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by coming down off the throne,
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coming to earth
to live as we did
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and to take on the sins
of the world and die for us,
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a bunch of undeserving people.
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I mean, it's amazing.
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Now you did a book
called "R U Tuff Enuff."
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Yes, yes, that
was my second one.
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Now, what is that book about?
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Basically this was
designed for men's outreach.
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Again my primary audience
is not for the church people.
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So I took a lot of flack
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for the cover on
that book as well.
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You know, the gothic letters,
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you know, it has a cross
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but it's surrounded
in barbwire or whatever,
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you know, it's just
a crazy looking cover.
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And so a lot of church
people have said, "Wow!
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You know, I don't, I don't
want to deal with that, that's,
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it looks Satanic or something."
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And, but my primary audience
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is not people already in church,
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it's the
majority of men are here
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who are not going to church.
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Across denominational lines
you go to from church to church
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and you have 60, 70, 80
percent women feeling abuse.
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When we talk about
reaching the un-churched,
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a large part of what we
need to be talking about
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is reaching men.
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Why do you think that is?
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Why do you think
that it's mainly women
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that are in the
church and the men aren't?
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What do you think that's about?
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Well, I think part of it is...
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I mean, I'm sure
it's very complex
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but part of it is
emphasis of the gospel
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with the parts
that deal with love,
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and mercy, and
gentleness, meekness, humility
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and what about the power of God?
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What about His sense of justice?
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You know, what about
the toughness of Jesus?
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Talk about the grace of
Jesus, what about his toughness?
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You have a fisherman
whose hands are callused,
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whose backs get
beaten by the sun
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as they're out on those boats,
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and the carpenter
walks by and says,
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"Follow me" and they follow him.
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You've some soldiers
that were sent to arrest him,
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and they go back empty-handed,
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and the people
they sent him said,
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"Why didn't you bring him back?
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What are you doing?
What are you thinking?"
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And they said, we can't help it,
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we never heard any men
speak like this man spoke.
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Wow! He must have
spoken with power.
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His very being demanded
respect from strong men.
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Yes, yes.
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And that's what we
bring out in "R U Tuff Enuff?"
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So what inspired you
to write these books?
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And how long did it
take you to write each one?
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People ask me that especially
about "Yell at God and live."
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"How long did it
take you to write it?"
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And I tell,
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I simply have to
say, over 40 years.
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Really?
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Because there's
lot of experiences,
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lot of heart-break
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that is distilled
into those 64 pages.
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Now we want to, we want to touch
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on some of the experiences
that you feel comfortable
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with sharing on the air
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but we want to touch on
some of those experiences
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and what you've
learned from them?
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What you took away
from them? All right.
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Well, when I was young,
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I remember of my
grandmother dying,
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I remember seeing
her in the hospital
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when she couldn't respond.
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And there wasn't
really a conversation
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that could take
place at that point and so,
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and that was my last time
seeing her before she died.
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And I would spend
summer time with her
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and sometimes cause some
trouble and there was this,
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there was an amount of
guilt after my grandmother died.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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That I wish I
would have said sorry
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for some things
or what have you.
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And then, you know,
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different stages,
different people dying,
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and just the different grief
experiences you go through.
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And then as a pastor,
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I started my ministry
at Atlanta Berean church.
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I was the
assistant pastor there.
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Really?
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I was just there
not too long ago.
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Okay. Yeah.
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So from 2002 to 2004, I
was assistant pastor there.
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We had weekly
funerals there, weekly.
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There were sometimes
where Elder William Winston
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who is now our
conference president.
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He was the senior
pastor at that time.
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He would officiate
one funeral at the church
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and I was at a funeral
home with another family
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taking care of that funeral.
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So you come in
contact with a lot of grief.
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And I think of the
word, Charles Spurgeon,
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he wrote that,
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"A sick
person's point of contact
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with the physician is illness.
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A sinner's contact
with Jesus is sin."
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And I think to large degree
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that the
church's point of contact
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with the
un-churched is their pain.
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And so that's,
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I learn that people are
open like no other time in life
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when they're
going through guilt,
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they're open to the gospel.
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But if you, if you
approach them wrong,
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you can close their
hearts to the gospel.
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Yes, so what do you...
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Can you describe the approach
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that people should
take in order so that,
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so that they're not approaching
them in the wrong way
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to make them
closed off to the gospel?
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Sure.
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I think Job's
friends for instance,
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they started out well.
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In the Book of Job, he
went through these problems.
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Job's friends
hear about his problems
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and they go to meet with him.
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And for about a week
long they just sat with him,
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sat in silence.
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It was after
they open their mouths
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and started trying
to give him explanations
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for his suffering
that he ended up saying,
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"What miserable
comforters you are!"
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So sometimes it's just
the ministry of presence,
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just letting people
know that you're with them.
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Okay, okay.
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So just being supportive
and not spewing negativity...
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Right, listening...
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And all that stuff.
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And trying to enter in
to their pain with them.
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Absolutely.
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Now you wrote another
book "Impediments to Power."
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Tell us about that?
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Design again for
outreach, for prayer outreach.
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There's lot of
churches that have discovered
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an easy way of breaking the
ice with people in the community
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is just going and
praying with people.
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Oh, really?
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So what we do is just
make it little simpler
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or just add little
something to it rather.
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So I can go
through the neighborhood,
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"Hello, my name is Carl
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with
Thompsonville Adventist Church,
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and we're in the neighborhood
praying with people.
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Do you have any prayer request?"
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And you say, "Yes,
pray for my father,
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you know, he
just had an accident
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and just need healing."
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So I'm, "Dear Lord,
please bless Jason's father.
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You know how
much he cares for him.
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We need you to be the healer
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that you've been to
so many other people.
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Be that healer in his life
right now in Jesus name, amen!"
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And then, you know,
we would share the book,
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Impediments to Power.
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And, Jason,
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I just want to
keep you encouraged
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in your own prayer
life with this gift,
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and I trust it's going to
be a blessing to your life,
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and I would like to check
back and see how you enjoyed it,
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would that be all right?
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Yeah, and so they respond yes.
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And then that
establishes that relationship.
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Exactly.
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And then you invite them
to the local church and...
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You know, you ask them,
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when is the good time to return?
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Or you know, what's your number
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and a good time
to give you call?
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And you know,
just building bridges.
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What are some
amazing, like, kind of like,
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miracle stories or stories
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where you've
reached out to someone like
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I've been glowing
before and it was,
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I've never in, I
enjoyed that so much
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because you realize how hungry
people are for the gospel.
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And then some of them don't know
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what they're missing
until it's presented to them.
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Right.
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And what are some stories
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where you've
experienced that type of joy?
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Sure.
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Well, first of all
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I started doing
literature evangelism in 1999.
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And I was so nervous
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when I knocked on my first door.
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The gentleman was
very accommodating.
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He was friendly
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but his kids were
running all over the house.
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It was supper
time and so he told me
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I needed to come
back at another time.
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So I had my paper out and a pen,
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and I asked him
what his name was,
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and I couldn't even
get through his first name
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because both of my
hands were shaking so much.
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So I handed him
the pen, and paper,
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and asked him if he could write
his information down for me.
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And he chuckled and he said,
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"You haven't been doing
this very long, have you?"
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But later on, in that same
summer I knocked on a door,
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this is in
Charlotte North Carolina,
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and I knocked on this
door, that a neighbor,
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he told me not to knock on.
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He said, "No" I wouldn't
bother with him, you know,
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he didn't explain
why, he just said,
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"You might want to
skip over that door."
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Well, that guy had
bought anything for me, he just,
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you know, made
up a lot of excuses
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of why he didn't
want what I had to offer.
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Okay.
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So I was going to
listen to his advice
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about whose door
I should knock on.
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Yes, yes. So I
knocked on the door.
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And it was quiet,
and I knocked again,
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and then I
heard a feet stomping.
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And, "Who is it?"
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And I said, "It's
Carl" like he should know me.
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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
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He said, "Who?"
00:19:16.18\00:19:17.52
I said, "It's Carl."
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And then I heard the feet
stomping away from the door,
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then the feet
stomping back towards the door.
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The inside door flew open.
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And then the gentleman
kicked the screen door open,
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and leveled a
shotgun at my chest.
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Wow!
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And he said, "What do you want?"
00:19:37.54\00:19:40.54
And I had a
Desire of Ages in my hand
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and I held it out to him.
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And I said, "I
just want to share
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the love of Jesus with you."
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He lowered his gun, and
we ended up having prayer,
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and he got a
Steps to Christ from me.
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Wow!
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So...
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I know your eyes got really
big when you saw that shotgun.
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Yeah, my heart got real big too,
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right in the
middle of my throat.
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You know, it just dawned on me,
00:20:05.87\00:20:07.57
some of our viewers
might not know what glowing is,
00:20:07.60\00:20:11.27
so I've been
glowing, it's, you know,
00:20:11.31\00:20:14.21
it's those little glow
tracts that you pass out,
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that you share with people,
00:20:16.28\00:20:17.61
they have some
of those tracts...
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Some stands for it
gives light to our world.
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Yes. Yes.
00:20:20.38\00:20:21.72
And you have ones on health,
00:20:21.75\00:20:23.18
you have ones on
like, there's a tract
00:20:23.22\00:20:27.12
and I don't think
this is a glow tract
00:20:27.16\00:20:28.62
but it's similar,
love letters from Jesus
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or a lover letter from
Jesus, absolutely amazing.
00:20:32.29\00:20:35.93
Like, when you read it,
it's very conversational,
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it's very practical,
and it's very personal.
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Right.
00:20:41.64\00:20:42.97
And so what our
viewers need to know is that,
00:20:43.00\00:20:48.08
they can go out,
they can witness,
00:20:48.11\00:20:49.91
anybody can go, be a witness.
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Right.
00:20:51.31\00:20:52.65
You know, just share with others
00:20:52.68\00:20:54.02
what Christ has done for you,
00:20:54.05\00:20:56.15
give them a Glow tract
or you go to a restaurant,
00:20:56.18\00:20:58.45
leave a glow tract
in the check presenter.
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Yes, and what we
do in our conference
00:21:01.36\00:21:03.86
with our pollution department,
00:21:03.89\00:21:05.23
we emphasis something very
similar to what Glow is doing.
00:21:05.26\00:21:08.93
But we've managed to get
some of our magazines and books
00:21:08.96\00:21:14.20
almost down to the
range of a Glow tract.
00:21:14.24\00:21:16.81
Really?
00:21:16.84\00:21:18.17
All right, Glow tracts are
typically going to be about
00:21:18.21\00:21:21.08
five cents a piece.
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You're going to buy a
pack of 100 for five dollars.
00:21:22.68\00:21:25.75
Well, say for
instance, Impediments to Power,
00:21:25.78\00:21:30.85
we've gotten this at
such magnificent deal
00:21:30.89\00:21:35.82
for people that you can
get these as low as 15 cents.
00:21:35.86\00:21:40.80
Wow!
00:21:40.83\00:21:42.16
So there's lot more
substance for the price.
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Yes.
00:21:43.57\00:21:44.90
And it covers a
variety of subjects.
00:21:44.93\00:21:47.87
So it's talking about prayer,
00:21:47.90\00:21:50.77
how to build your relationship
with God in different ways.
00:21:50.81\00:21:54.64
It introduces people
to the health message.
00:21:54.68\00:21:57.61
It introduces people to
the stewardship principles.
00:21:57.65\00:22:00.62
It introduces them to
righteousness by faith,
00:22:00.65\00:22:03.65
and several other little things
in there so, as low again...
00:22:03.69\00:22:09.12
As low as 15 cents a piece,
00:22:09.16\00:22:10.73
you go to the
website ShareWaves.org
00:22:10.76\00:22:14.90
and you order them
right there online,
00:22:14.93\00:22:17.47
deliver it to
you a few days later.
00:22:17.50\00:22:19.67
And that's where they
can purchase all of your...
00:22:19.70\00:22:21.87
Books, correct? Right.
00:22:21.90\00:22:23.24
That's where they can
purchase them in bulk...
00:22:23.27\00:22:25.34
Okay. Okay.
00:22:25.37\00:22:26.71
We have another website
that we can, you know, get one,
00:22:26.74\00:22:30.48
you just want to
get one copy at a time,
00:22:30.51\00:22:32.31
go to
familyhomechristianbooks.com.
00:22:32.35\00:22:34.72
Okay.
00:22:34.75\00:22:36.52
What are some other
creative ways to do outreach?
00:22:36.55\00:22:41.46
Okay, one of things
00:22:41.49\00:22:44.33
we've done with "R U Tuff Enuff,
00:22:44.36\00:22:46.03
" we did a print run of about
00:22:46.06\00:22:47.40
50, 000 of them a
couple of years ago
00:22:47.43\00:22:49.86
and they're just about all gone.
00:22:49.90\00:22:52.37
And one of the places
that we dispersed them
00:22:52.40\00:22:54.80
at is football games
and things like that.
00:22:54.84\00:22:59.37
So where you have
sports minded people
00:22:59.41\00:23:01.38
because you've a sports theme
that goes through the book.
00:23:01.41\00:23:05.11
And so we just, we go
out to the ball games,
00:23:05.15\00:23:09.32
and advertise free souvenirs,
00:23:09.35\00:23:11.69
and people come
and scoop them up.
00:23:11.72\00:23:13.59
And then sometimes we
get people that come back
00:23:13.62\00:23:16.59
after they've
read a couple of pages
00:23:16.62\00:23:18.76
and ask if they
can get a couple more
00:23:18.79\00:23:20.46
for different
people in their lives.
00:23:20.50\00:23:21.83
Nice.
00:23:21.86\00:23:23.90
"Yell at God and live,"
00:23:23.93\00:23:28.17
couple of different
ways that I've used this.
00:23:28.20\00:23:30.01
The first way that I had in mind
00:23:30.04\00:23:32.11
even as I wrote it was
00:23:32.14\00:23:34.04
when you have a
funeral at your church,
00:23:34.08\00:23:36.54
you have a lot of people
00:23:36.58\00:23:38.75
that are not
members of your church
00:23:38.78\00:23:40.72
within your church walls.
00:23:40.75\00:23:42.62
You don't, you
didn't put out a flyer
00:23:42.65\00:23:44.35
to bring one of them in.
00:23:44.39\00:23:45.89
Yes. All right.
00:23:45.92\00:23:47.76
And they may never be back.
00:23:47.79\00:23:49.22
This may be your one main time
to make an impression on them,
00:23:49.26\00:23:53.19
a lasting impression.
00:23:53.23\00:23:54.56
So at the end of the service
for a dear friend of mine,
00:23:54.60\00:23:58.33
I told people what
the book was about.
00:23:58.37\00:24:00.80
I went through the
five chapters in that.
00:24:00.84\00:24:03.30
I showed how this correlates
to the various stages of grief.
00:24:03.34\00:24:07.01
And that we have a free gift
00:24:07.04\00:24:09.64
for each person at
the back door, the usher,
00:24:09.68\00:24:13.68
if they want one,
the ushers have them,
00:24:13.72\00:24:15.72
so they can freely take them.
00:24:15.75\00:24:17.55
And I'm so,
00:24:17.59\00:24:19.09
there was about 300
people at the funeral
00:24:19.12\00:24:21.19
and everyone took a
book on the way out.
00:24:21.22\00:24:25.49
I make contacts in the community
00:24:25.53\00:24:27.80
with funeral home directors
00:24:27.83\00:24:30.80
and set up displays
in their establishments
00:24:30.83\00:24:33.70
'cause it's another
way that they can add value
00:24:33.74\00:24:36.67
and minister to the people
that come through their doors.
00:24:36.71\00:24:39.77
And funeral home directors
eventually they get to know
00:24:39.81\00:24:43.08
everybody in town.
00:24:43.11\00:24:44.71
Yes, unfortunately... Yeah...
00:24:44.75\00:24:46.65
Unfortunately on death.
00:24:46.68\00:24:48.05
You know, we know that death
is appointed on to man once
00:24:48.08\00:24:52.35
and then the judgment.
00:24:52.39\00:24:53.72
So that's our
common denominator.
00:24:53.76\00:24:56.83
And so this is a way
to reach a lot of people.
00:24:56.86\00:24:59.89
You get a nice display
of these in the funeral home
00:24:59.93\00:25:02.90
as people are
hurrying and passing
00:25:02.93\00:25:04.93
through those
doors, they pick it up,
00:25:04.97\00:25:07.30
you can put your
label inside of it.
00:25:07.34\00:25:09.87
And so they know who to thank
after they've been blessed.
00:25:09.90\00:25:13.91
Now what advice
would you have for someone
00:25:13.94\00:25:16.31
who wants to become a writer?
00:25:16.34\00:25:19.71
Advice for writers, I
like to think about writing
00:25:19.75\00:25:24.25
as in one
respect as doing pottery.
00:25:24.29\00:25:30.09
So when you're doing pottery,
00:25:30.13\00:25:32.23
you get a piece of clay
and you put it on the wheel,
00:25:32.26\00:25:35.73
you just bring
a big lump of clay
00:25:35.76\00:25:37.33
and put it on the wheel.
00:25:37.37\00:25:38.70
You know, you're
going to have more
00:25:38.73\00:25:40.44
than what you need
for the actual vessel.
00:25:40.47\00:25:43.17
But don't spend a lot
of time trying to worry
00:25:43.20\00:25:45.47
about the details
00:25:45.51\00:25:46.84
of what you will
cut off later on,
00:25:46.88\00:25:49.21
just get the lump on a wheel.
00:25:49.24\00:25:51.11
In other words, start writing,
and just keep on writing.
00:25:51.15\00:25:54.68
Don't worry about
fixing it up until later on.
00:25:54.72\00:25:57.95
And then after you've
gotten it on the wheel,
00:25:57.99\00:26:00.89
after you've gotten
your manuscript together,
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then you start shaping it in,
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you can start playing around
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with the
placement of the paragraphs,
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and the chapters, and
then find a good editor,
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I know there's lot of
ways to self publish today
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but the editor is someone
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that you don't want to bypass...
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Yes. Yes.
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Because they help you make,
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they make you look
better than you would've looked,
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you know, it's like
coming out on to the set,
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I had to stop in
make up room, you know,
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she knows what she's
doing, I just sat there,
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and let her do her thing.
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Yeah. Yeah, to take
away the shine, yes, yes.
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Well, take away the shine
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and there's
something's in your manuscript
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that you don't want to
shine, they're not shine worthy.
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Yeah, like
mistakes. Yes, definitely.
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In the short, short
time that we have left,
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who were some of your mentors?
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Some of my mentors...
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Well, I stay in touch
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with the lot of
people at Pacific Press.
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I had an internship
back in 2001 at Pacific Press
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working in the
editorial department
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so people like Randy
Maxwell, Tim Lale, Jerry D.
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Thomas as far as
writing mentorship goes,
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those are some of my top people.
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One of my old professors
at Oakwood, Keith Burton,
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you know, somebody that
really sharpened my mind
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and pushed me to write.
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So he kind of
motivated you to start writing.
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Yes, yes. Okay.
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And well, I would be
remiss if I didn't say my wife,
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she's one of the first people
that saw samples of my writing
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and really encouraged
me to do more with it.
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So yeah, the support.
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Yes. Yes.
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Well, thank you so
much for coming on.
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Thanks for tuning in.
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Join us next time and remember
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it just wouldn't be
the same without you.
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