Stay tuned to meet a man
who went from crime to Christ.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is Wyatt Allen,
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he's an Author,
Associate Speaker
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and Evangelist,
for Amazing Facts.
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Welcome to Urban Report, Wyatt.
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So glad to be here.
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Oh, it's a blessing to have
you, your testimony is so rich,
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God has brought you a
mighty long way has He not?
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He certainly has,
but my testimony is...
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I'm just one in among many of
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what God can do
in somebody's life.
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It's amazing to me as
you look at people's journeys
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and you listen to where
they were... and where...
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and you look at
them now, and you see,
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such a transformation
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from where they were
to where they are now,
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tell us a little bit about
yourself, where did you grow up?
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I grew up in Missouri,
pretty crazy life growing up,
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just... it was actually
pretty common to most people
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because this is pretty
typical in America today
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but... my parents
split up when I was three,
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divorced, we... my
brother and my sister...
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we all moved into a
Women's Shelter with my mom
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because my dad was
violent and abusive
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and we eventually settled
in Jefferson City, Missouri,
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and for a few years
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we were safe from
the violence and...
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but not safe from life,
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we still got
into a lot of trouble
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and my brother and I...
we would steal and rob and
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burn down houses, not
that we really tried to
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but we set some fires and
ended up burning down a house,
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that was at... six years old...
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At six?
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Six years old...
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So, when you... okay,
let's go back for a second
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your dad left, and
you were... how old?
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Well, my mom left...
she had to sneak out like,
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2:00 in the
morning, he was drunk and...
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finally was able to get away
and so... I was three years old.
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So, your mom
carried a lot within her,
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a lot of pain and maybe fear,
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was your mom a Christian
at this time, was she...?
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I think she was
doing the best she could,
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she was a busy mom,
and I think she just...
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she had tried to hold
down three jobs at one point
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and it just... it was really...
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let's just say, I wasn't raised
with a Christian upbringing
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though she did teach
me the Lord's Prayer.
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I remember when I
first read the Bible
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for the very
first time in my life,
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the Lord's Prayer just came
back to me when I came to it...
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I'm like... "I
know this, I know this"
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but I don't remember learning it
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so it's really
interesting how that worked out.
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Yes, yes, so at
three... you moved...
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you sneaked out, basically,
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your mom
sneaked out of the house
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and took you to a shelter
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and you lived in the
shelter for how long?
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It wasn't terribly long
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until we could actually
find somebody to move in with
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and then... she was able
to get a job further north
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and so, it was a little
process but my dad eventually...
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he'd got into some trouble
and had gotten out of jail
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and... so he was able to start
getting custody back of his kids
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so it was a back and
forth custody issue for years.
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Ah, so at six, then...
you began doing some really...
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it began to express some
anti-social behavior, right?
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So you started doing
what... with your brother?
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Well, I mean, I was
six, my brother was eight,
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we ran all over town
just causing trouble.
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Where was your mom?
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Working.
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We were supposed to
be with the babysitters
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but the babysitters...
at least the one we had
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the ones we had weren't
really as much concerned
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about watching us and
we had a little sister,
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I have a sister who was
three years younger than me
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she was a newborn when we left,
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and so she... anyway,
she was three at this time
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and so she was
home with the babysitter
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but my brother and I...
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just skateboarded
around town and...
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we started fires in places
and we would steal from stores.
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I think we have a picture of
you and your mom and your family
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that we can put up,
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your mom and your
brother and your sister.
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And of course that's
me being pretty ornery,
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you can see my
little sister there,
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and I never was the nicest kid.
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Well, praise the Lord
for the journey, right?
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Not where you were
but where you are now.
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That's right and
where I'm going to go.
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Amen, amen for sure.
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So, at six, you started
doing all of these things...
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running around
town, setting fires...
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just doing all kinds of
things, what happened then...
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if you're doing this at six,
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and your mom had no idea
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that you guys
were acting like this?
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Well, we got
arrested for the fire thing...
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so... she
actually... we just lost custody
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for a short time, from my mom
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because of that issue.
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Did you go into Foster...?
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We didn't then...
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we actually were in
a Foster Home later,
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my dad had... it
was a big issue and
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he came home to drop us kids off
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and my mom was sleeping,
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like I said, she
had all these jobs
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and she wasn't there,
and so he broke in the house
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he got into a fight
with my mom, broke her back
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and so she was in
the hospital recovering
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my dad was... he got in trouble
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so we had to go to
Foster Home during that time
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but I was probably about
ten or eleven, then, I think,
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but it was pretty... a
lot of violence growing up
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a lot of alcohol and...
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I know there were
drugs behind the scenes now,
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but I didn't
really see it then, but...
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How did seeing the
violence then, impact your life?
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Well, what... I'm going to
share with you in a little bit,
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how I ended up going to prison
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with a 20-year prison sentence
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and it was for a violent
crime. Dr. Yvonne: Okay...
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We'll talk about
it in a moment but...
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when I look back at the
violence I saw growing up,
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I don't make that
as an excuse at all
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I mean, I chose what I did,
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it was a very, very
much conscious choice
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but at the same time,
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violence always
seemed to be an answer.
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My dad would pull
people off the road
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and then just beat
them up for cutting him off
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and just seeing that as
a solution, so many times,
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I thought, "Well,
violence must work for me too"
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You know, Wyatt,
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it's interesting
you would say that
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because so many
times, in our inner cities,
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especially when
there are no men around
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then our young guys have
no clue about how to be a man
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and so... "you
looked at me, funny... "
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or "you stepped on my
shoe, I'm killing you,"
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it's like... the
response is so disproportionate
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to what's actually done
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and it's because of the absence
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of the father... to teach...
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in your case,
your dad was there,
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but he didn't have...
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I don't know what his
situation was with his dad,
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but somewhere,
there was kind of...
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Very much the same,
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there was violence
and alcohol and others...
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Yes, yes, there's this trend,
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that we see, that
only God can break.
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Indeed and it
does take a miracle,
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you can't just wake
up one morning and say,
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"You know what... I'm not
going to do this anymore. "
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Literally, it takes something
supernatural to change a heart
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and that's what I
determined in my family,
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that listen, there
has been a... this...
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I don't know if you
call it a generational curse
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or whatever you want to
call it, but it's stopping
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because through God's grace,
we're going to be overcomers,
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and we're going
to live a new life
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and I'm going to be
the dad that I didn't have
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and even though my
dad was sometimes there,
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he worked pretty hard
himself, he was a hard worker,
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if he taught me
anything, it was hard work,
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but it definitely...
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the other moral
lessons were not there,
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in fact, when I
first started using drugs,
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it was because I
found his stash of Marijuana
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and he had all of these drugs...
I mean... pounds of Marijuana
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and so I was able to take
as much as I wanted and...
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Was he selling it?
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No, he just bought it,
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he used it...
him and my step-mom,
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they smoked as much as they...
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we always would
smell something funny
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but I didn't know
what it was and one night,
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one day, just being a kid
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and putting my
clothes or something
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and there was a safe,
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they had a floor
safe and it was open
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and I was able to get in
there and see all these drugs
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it was incredible and I just...
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so I went and
experimented with it,
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before I
experimented with it though,
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I reverse-engineered the
lock, I didn't reverse-engineer,
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I basically figured
out the locking mechanism
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so I knew the
combination because it was open
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anyway, I was a stupid
kid but I was pretty smart...
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and so... anyway...
and then... from then on...
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I had access to
these drugs all the time.
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How old were you when you
started experimenting with drugs
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I was 13- or
14-years-old and, of course,
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I had a whole
new group of friends,
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I started... all of a sudden...
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to make friends I
didn't have before,
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because I seemed to
have a lot of drugs and so
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everyone wanted to be my friend
and I was too naive to see
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that it was actually to
drugs they liked and not me,
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but I was invited to parties
and it was a change in my life.
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So, look at the
trend now, right...
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one of the things
that we talk about
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on Dare to Dream and
particularly on Urban Report,
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is God's plan,
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God has a plan
and Satan has a plan,
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and Satan's plan is to destroy,
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and Satan's plan
is to start you here
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and take you downward.
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And listen, I was
reading his plan book
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and following it perfectly.
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Right... I believe
that's what was happening,
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and thankfully, God intervened,
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but you were on this downward
spiral at three, at six,
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at eight, at
fourteen... downward spiral,
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because that was
Satan's plan but praise God
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that's not where God wanted you.
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Tell us a little bit more about
when you were... at fourteen...
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what happened to you,
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you mentioned
something in this book
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and you have a great book
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that we are going
to be referring to,
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"The Least of the
Least," it is an excellent book
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and I'm really impressed
with what I've seen so far,
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so, what happened to
you when you were fourteen
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with the nightclub?
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Well, again I was that
kid that was always searching,
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always looking for belonging
and meaning and that nightclub,
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it was a place where they
played all this loud music
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but since they didn't serve
alcohol, I could go in there
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and so, one night,
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we were just looking to
go out and have fun and party
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and so when we were
pulling into the parking garage,
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there at the nightclub, the
police lights were behind us
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and we all... of
course we were extremely high
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and we were all packing drugs
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so we jumped out of the car
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and began to run
as fast as we could,
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in the opposite directions,
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all of us took
off a different way,
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mine happened to lead me
right into this night club
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called Silverado's
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and when I went into there,
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I mean, I was in the
"Goth" thing for a time
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so I had all this makeup on
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and this black
lipstick and it was a mess.
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I got to ask you
something about that
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because I don't know that
much about the "Goth" thing,
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is that related to witchcraft?
Is it... what is the Goth...?
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No, there are some
people that are into Goth
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that are completely
Atheists but Goth is...
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it's a subculture
of people that are...
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you know, they're really...
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they don't need to be
involved in just anything,
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they're okay with being
loners and... but anyway,
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it has a dark essence to it
where you dress in dark clothes,
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you put black makeup on
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and I guess, I dabbled
in it, and I wasn't really
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there weren't a whole
lot of us that did this,
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and it wasn't a long
part of my experience
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but it was that night
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at the nightclub
you mentioned earlier,
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I went and washed all
that stuff off my face
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because I didn't
want to get caught,
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I knew that it was
pretty recognizable so...
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I didn't want the
police to catch me
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so I washed all
of it off my face
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and then I sat down at a table
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and guess who? Right next to me
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was a guy in a
long, black trench coat,
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and the long and short of it is,
he turned out to be a Satanist
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and he could see I was nervous,
I was high, I was scared,
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I thought I was
going to get caught,
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I didn't want to get
caught, and he did a spell
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at which he was
able to take away
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all the
nervousness, all the fear,
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my mind was completely clear,
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you'd think Satan
wanted me to be "high,"
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but all of a sudden,
I'm thinking as clear as
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I've ever thought... and...
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He did a spell
verbally or did...
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We went through a ritual,
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where he had a noose and a knife
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and prayers and Luciferian...
and calling out to Lucifer
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and Mephistopheles and
all these Satanic names
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and I was basically
repeating after him... a prayer
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and we had to hold
our hands in a certain way
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and so, after the spell was over
immediately... just the clarity
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and so I knew there
was power in this...
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Ooooh, that gives me a chill.
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And I was involved in witchcraft
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so this was mostly a
cult, up to this point,
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but just... not...
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because it
wasn't a whole lot of us
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and so I didn't delve on it
too deeply... I read the books
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and believed in
the power and the...
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but I had never seen
something this powerful
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and I've always been told
to stay away from dark magic,
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you know, it's
okay, white magic is great
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but black magic
is not good and so...
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What's the difference?
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There isn't... but
I thought there was.
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What is the
professed difference?
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Oh well, White
Magic being... you know,
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you manipulate people but...
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it's like in Witchcraft,
we had the Wiccan Rede,
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"Do as ye will but harm ye none"
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so there was the
ethics there to some degree
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but in Satanism,
it was different,
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it was this whole attitude of,
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oh like Aleister Crowley said,
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"Do what thou wilt
shall be the whole of the Law"
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you know, it's
the Stelema idea of
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"You are your own god,
do what you want to do"
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and so I loved that idea
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and... but it wasn't
the spirit of Christ,
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you know what
Christ's attitude was,
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He says, "Not my
will but thine be done"
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and so that's the attitude
I didn't know anything about
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because that was selfish.
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At this point, when you
were talking to the Satanist,
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did you feel anything
like, "Oh! this is like...
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I don't need to mess
with this, this is evil"
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or were you drawn to it?
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Well, Satan had
already been getting to me
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through the... I was
listening to heavy metal music
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which was very Satanic,
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I was reading all
these spiritualistic books
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that dealt in the occult, I
played Dungeons and Dragons,
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I played Magic: The Gathering
I read these fantasy books
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and so I was
already inclined toward
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the "dark side" if
you could call it that,
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but even though there
was a little bit of...
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I won't say
"resistance" but hesitation,
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but, you know, the guy...
he was really as open with me
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he said, "Why don't you go
out and buy a Satanic Bible,
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go to any bookstore and get one"
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I said, "Really, I've
never even heard of it before"
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And so I went
down to the Bookstore
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and I got a Satanic Bible
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and as I began
to read this thing,
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it appealed to my
flesh in every single way
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it told me, like I
said, that I was my own god
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that everything is
here for my pleasure,
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and it twisted
Christianity so much
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but it made sense to me
which, of course, it would
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because I was definitely
a carnal-minded person
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and so, I would,
use the Satanist thing,
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to... I would
pick on my Christian...
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I wouldn't call them friends but
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schoolmates, I was
in 9th Grade by now,
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I was about 15 years
old, and just out of control
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because... if
you have no morals,
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if what is right is
based on what your heart says,
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which you hear
repeated so often,
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"just followed your
heart" right? Yvonne: Right...
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That's really a Satanic
principle. Yvonne: Absolutely.
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But, in the Bible it says,
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"There's a way
which seems right to man,
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but in the end are the
ways of death. " Yvonne: Right.
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"And he that trusteth
his own heart is a fool"
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that's another
Scripture. Yvonne: Right.
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but you know, I trusted
in my own heart and I just...
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but it made sense to me
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and I did
everything I wanted to do,
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which was partying,
which was to have fun,
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which was to do drugs,
which was... nothing right...
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I didn't care who I
hurt in the process,
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I broke my mom's heart,
I would run away from home,
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can you imagine
the tears she shed
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as she went around town
putting up Missing Posters,
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to try to help her find her boy
when I would run away from home.
00:16:09.50\00:16:12.87
So you would run
away from home routinely
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I mean... was
it a routine thing?
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Yeah, because at
home all I heard was,
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"Don't do this, don't do this"
00:16:18.84\00:16:20.18
but whenever I was
out there at a party,
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I mean, I could
stay all night long,
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I could eat junk food out of
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neighbors' cabinets,
you know, whatever...
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and just living my life
the way I wanted to live it
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and I didn't have
a care in the world,
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for anybody else,
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and that's the spirit of
Satanism... it's selfishness.
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Selfish... that's
at the root, isn't it?
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But you wonder how
many people are Satanist
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and don't know it.
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Ooooh! now that...
that is a very deep question
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that is a very... so,
you can kind of take that
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a little bit
further and say that
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"You could be a
Christian and be a Satanist?"
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Well, Satan has a lot
of Christians in his camp
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that certainly
think they're Christians
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and we got to be careful,
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it's not about
going around and judging
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who's a Satanist
and who's a Christian,
00:17:06.22\00:17:08.32
but if you really
want to boil it down,
00:17:08.36\00:17:10.43
there are only
really sheep and goats,
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there are only wheat and tares,
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which in reality it means
00:17:14.06\00:17:15.40
there are only
Satanists and Christians,
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and we need to
consider which camp we're in.
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And I think it's important
that we really look at...
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we really take time
to evaluate where we are
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as it relates to Jesus Christ.
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Also, examine yourself.
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That's right and
work out our salvation
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with fear and
trembling, so, we have to
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really talk to the Lord
and find out where we are,
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you know,
"Search me O God, try me,
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see if there is
any wicked way in me,"
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and so, if we do that, then,
we can be on the right path,
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He will put us on the right path
so let's kind of... again...
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go through your
journey, by this time,
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you are doing drugs,
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you are... kind of
a full-blown Satanist?
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That spiral you
were talking about,
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it was going down
further and further
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and it really
got out of control,
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I got arrested so many times
because I was burglarizing homes
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I was beating
people up at school
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or getting beat up
whenever we have a fight,
00:18:16.73\00:18:18.73
but I would
definitely fight a lot,
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so I was getting
arrested for assaults,
00:18:20.13\00:18:22.56
I was getting
arrested for possession
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because I had all
these drugs and I wasn't...
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like I said that I was
smart but I was stupid,
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so I'd get caught a lot,
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but I kept getting released,
I kept getting out of trouble,
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I kept getting a
slap on the wrist,
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and I just... I thought
it was my Satanic prayers
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that was
delivering me, you know,
00:18:38.45\00:18:40.08
but it was still spiraling...
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finally I got
arrested for the last time,
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but not for the last time,
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but for a time, they said,
"We're not letting you out"
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we are going to send you to
Drug Rehab, you have a problem,
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and I said, "My
only problem is the fact
00:18:50.63\00:18:52.46
that you're
taking away my drugs"
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I had such a chip on my
shoulder I had such an attitude.
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What was the charge for this?
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Well, it was possession,
and then there was...
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they called it
"Habitual Absence"
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continually running away,
00:19:02.64\00:19:03.97
and every time I got arrested,
00:19:04.01\00:19:05.34
I was either... had
drugs or... I was...
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my the drug test
was always positive
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and so they could tell
I had a big drug problem,
00:19:08.91\00:19:11.85
and so, they finally
sent me to Drug Rehab,
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and that's where
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I had the biggest opportunity
of my life to fix my life,
00:19:16.18\00:19:19.75
they talked about
"delayed gratification,"
00:19:19.82\00:19:21.56
they talked about... not
being a slave to your addictions
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and it wasn't a
Christian-based Program
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but it gave me another
avenue of life to follow,
00:19:26.83\00:19:30.67
but I just
couldn't wait to get out,
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because I couldn't wait
to get back to my parties.
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So... how did you... I can't...
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our time is going so fast
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and I need to find out
how you found the Lord.
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Tell us how...
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So, when I was in
the Rehab Program,
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I got into a conflict with
one of the Supervisors there
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and that's a long story...
you have to read the book
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to find out the details but
I ended up attacking the man
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and he went to the
hospital hurt really bad
00:19:57.96\00:20:01.00
and they locked me up in
the Juvenile Detention Center
00:20:01.03\00:20:03.67
and I spent a year in
that Juvenile Detention Center
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and while I was in the
Juvenile Detention Center,
00:20:06.03\00:20:09.10
I challenged the Bible,
I wanted to prove it wrong,
00:20:09.14\00:20:12.17
I wanted to put
Christians in their place,
00:20:12.24\00:20:13.61
I wanted to find... really...
I think even deeper down,
00:20:13.64\00:20:16.68
I wanted to find an
excuse to not follow God.
00:20:16.71\00:20:20.52
And... but as I
read through the Bible,
00:20:20.55\00:20:23.42
I mean, just reading
story after story of God's love,
00:20:23.45\00:20:27.06
of His patience, how,
even from the Garden of Eden,
00:20:27.09\00:20:30.56
all through the end, He's
always pursuing His people
00:20:30.59\00:20:34.03
that are always
running from Him, you know,
00:20:34.06\00:20:36.30
stubborn... just like I
was, and I was so stubborn,
00:20:36.36\00:20:39.03
and the Children
of Israel, I mean,
00:20:39.07\00:20:42.47
you look at how
many times they strayed,
00:20:42.50\00:20:44.31
but God still
reached out His hand of mercy
00:20:44.34\00:20:46.24
and I finally came into a
story in the book of 1st Samuel,
00:20:46.27\00:20:49.71
I saw again, God's mercy...
and when I saw God's mercy,
00:20:49.74\00:20:53.15
as beautiful as it was,
00:20:53.18\00:20:55.58
it just broke my heart
00:20:55.62\00:20:57.92
and I saw... for the
first time in my life,
00:20:57.95\00:21:00.26
the magnitude of my
crime, and not just my crime,
00:21:00.29\00:21:03.83
but what I had
done to my parents,
00:21:03.86\00:21:05.19
what I had done to
everybody in my life,
00:21:05.23\00:21:06.59
how selfish I was living,
and how... I would just...
00:21:06.63\00:21:11.23
more than
anybody, I had hurt God.
00:21:11.27\00:21:12.83
And I didn't even know
a whole lot about Jesus
00:21:12.87\00:21:14.70
at the time because I hadn't
gotten to the New Testament yet
00:21:14.74\00:21:17.07
it took me about a month to
read through the whole Bible,
00:21:17.11\00:21:19.41
so this was a...
00:21:19.44\00:21:20.78
Yvonne: A month?
00:21:20.81\00:21:22.14
A month... I was locked up for
about 23 hours a day... so...
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Wow! so you were doing
some serious reading...
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Oh! and I remember,
00:21:26.35\00:21:27.78
they made me shut the
lights out like 9 o'clock
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I'd be up there at
the window, I'd be like...
00:21:29.52\00:21:31.15
looking at the light
coming through the window,
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I tried to...
just to keep reading...
00:21:32.82\00:21:36.79
the stories were so interesting.
00:21:36.83\00:21:38.23
The hunger kind of took over.
00:21:38.29\00:21:39.63
I didn't like it at first
because, I mean it was like...
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it was very religious, you know,
00:21:41.86\00:21:44.10
it was just soaked
in religion and I just
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didn't like the idea
but the more I read it,
00:21:46.27\00:21:48.30
I realized that it's actually
a story... a love story,
00:21:48.34\00:21:51.84
and I had read all the
fantasy books in the past and
00:21:51.87\00:21:55.34
I'm starting to
get the big picture
00:21:55.38\00:21:56.71
because when you read a
whole lot, you get to see that
00:21:56.75\00:21:58.38
but I just kept
reading through the Bible,
00:21:58.41\00:22:01.02
I came to Psalm 51 about God and
His mercy and His forgiveness,
00:22:01.05\00:22:04.65
and just poured
out my life to Him,
00:22:04.69\00:22:06.92
I believe I
became a Christian then.
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Were you going to
meetings inside of the prison,
00:22:09.16\00:22:11.93
were they having
Church Meetings or anything?
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No, not at all, I
hated Christians, remember?
00:22:14.86\00:22:17.67
I despised them,
00:22:17.73\00:22:19.07
I still
considered myself a Satanist,
00:22:19.10\00:22:20.44
but as I decided that
this really was something
00:22:20.47\00:22:24.17
that was incredible and I
gave my heart to the Lord,
00:22:24.21\00:22:26.47
and I kept reading and I
found out about who Jesus was
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and I read the Book
of Matthew and I'm like,
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"Whoa, this is incredible,
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this is what
everybody has been saying,
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why didn't
somebody tell me this?"
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You know, and then I
read the book of Mark
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which was like,
"Are you kidding me?
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I get to hear the
story of Jesus... again,"
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and I get it for the third
and fourth time in reading John,
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and as I just... I
fell in love with Jesus,
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and I did start to go to
some of the church services
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that were there,
that were Sunday services
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and this was in
Springfield, Missouri,
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and we had people coming in
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from the local
Christian College there,
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and they would give
me books on hermeneutics
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and my mom sent me
a Strong's Concordance
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and I'm listening to the
radio, we had a Walkman radio
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I finally
earned some privileges,
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and I'm
learning as much as I can
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soaking in the gospel,
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and just wanting
to know the truth,
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and that put me on the path,
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the journey of
finding out about the Sabbath,
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finding out about many
of these precious truths
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that we now teach as
Seventh-day Adventists,
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and it took me a long
time but I finally said,
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"These are God's people,
this is the church... for me "
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and so, anyway, I was
certified as an adult,
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I was sent to County
Jail, I spent 10 months there,
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I pled guilty,
the judge sentenced me
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to 20 years in
prison. Yvonne: Twenty years?
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Wyatt: Twenty years...
Yvonne: For possession?
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Wyatt: No, no, no, I'm
sorry, this was for the assault,
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I assaulted the guy while I
was in Juvenile Detention Center
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Yvonne: Oh! Okay, okay.
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Yeah, actually,
because all the other charges
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were minor in comparison,
they dropped all those...
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though I was a Juvenile so
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they didn't bring
me to trial for those,
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but... anyway, yeah, 20
years in prison for assault,
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and... but by God's grace,
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even though I
studied during that time
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and I took every opportunity
I could to memorize the Bible
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and to grow and to
learn, God had mercy
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and he let me out in 14
years... six years early,
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they let me out of
prison. Yvonne: Oh! praise God.
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That was mercy,
Sister. Yvonne: Amen, amen...
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And so, anyway, I got out
and that's where my life just...
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miracles, more
miracles began to happen.
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Now look at this now...
so you go through all of this
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you were
incarcerated for the 14 years,
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and then... you get out...
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but sometimes, when guys
get out or women get out,
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their religion is left...
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Yeah, they read
their Bible only once...
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Exactly, exactly, but for you,
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you took it
with you, didn't you?
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I had no other option, I
wouldn't know how to live
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if it wouldn't
be a Christian life
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and I knew, it wasn't just that,
00:24:49.02\00:24:51.12
it wasn't just
the practical reasons,
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the reality is, you don't
leave your best friend behind.
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Oh, come on... come on now...
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And so you got take Him with you
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and He's been with me
by my side... ever since
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and you know what?
He has loved me so much
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Yvonne, listen, it
wasn't long after I got out,
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that God placed in my path,
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the most beautiful
woman I've ever seen,
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and it just so happened
that God had worked in her life
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in such a way that she
would actually listen to me
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after she found out... I
told her right... immediately
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that I... the time in
prison and she wanted to know
00:25:18.45\00:25:20.98
what I had done
for... work, and I told her,
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"Well I
actually... I just got a job"
00:25:24.02\00:25:25.85
she asked: "What
did you do before that?"
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"Well, anyway...
" long story short,
00:25:27.72\00:25:30.96
she wanted to make sure I
wasn't living with my Mama.
00:25:30.99\00:25:32.83
Okay...
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But... I wasn't some freeloader,
which was good for her,
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but anyway, the Lord
just led us together,
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and we were so... and by
the way that whole courtship
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and dating experience
and how we got married,
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all that stuff is in the book.
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And this book again is,
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"The Least of the
Least: From Crime to Christ"
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how do you get the book?
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You can do it a
couple of different ways,
00:25:51.48\00:25:53.08
you can go to
remnantpublications. com
00:25:53.11\00:25:54.78
or call Remnant Publications
00:25:54.82\00:25:56.22
and they'll be
happy to send you some
00:25:56.25\00:25:57.85
and I encourage
people to get them
00:25:57.89\00:25:59.39
and send them into the prisons,
give them to your young people,
00:25:59.42\00:26:01.92
I wrote this
book specifically...
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anybody can enjoy it,
00:26:03.36\00:26:04.69
but for
specifically the young person
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that has been struggling
with drugs and alcohol
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loneliness...
this book is for them
00:26:09.50\00:26:11.97
but... and you can
also go to my website:
00:26:12.03\00:26:15.30
www. EndTimeHope. org
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and I have all the information
there to help you get a book
00:26:17.04\00:26:20.74
or several if you
want. Yvonne: That's great.
00:26:20.78\00:26:23.51
But, you know, now with this
book, it's really interesting,
00:26:23.55\00:26:27.48
the miracles
associated with that book,
00:26:27.52\00:26:29.65
lives have been transformed
from what I've heard,
00:26:29.68\00:26:32.45
many people share with me,
00:26:32.52\00:26:34.12
but we also now work
full time, my wife and I,
00:26:34.16\00:26:37.03
we travel around doing
Bible Prophecy Seminars
00:26:37.06\00:26:39.36
and so we do full
Revelation Seminars
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we've done them all over the
Country and around the world.
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People can contact
you through your website?
00:26:43.97\00:26:45.90
Yeah, they can contact
us through the website,
00:26:45.93\00:26:47.84
they can contact me
through Amazing Facts
00:26:47.87\00:26:50.34
in fact, we have a
whole team at Amazing Facts
00:26:50.37\00:26:52.14
that is happy to go around
and travel and do these meetings
00:26:52.17\00:26:55.04
but you know...
endtimehope. org.
00:26:55.08\00:26:57.61
That's awesome, that's awesome,
00:26:57.65\00:27:00.12
so, right now, you've
come through this long journey
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you've given
your heart to Jesus,
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He has shown you
miracle after miracle,
00:27:06.76\00:27:09.39
how would you summarize
your experience in one sentence?
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Hmmm... grace to grace,
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mercy to mercy,
00:27:18.93\00:27:20.27
every day is a
new adventure to serve
00:27:20.30\00:27:23.37
and to please and
listen... Jesus said this,
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He said two things, "Not
my will by thine be done"
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that's my attitude
now and He also said,
00:27:33.05\00:27:35.92
that He has to be
about His Father's business.
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Yes...
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So, that's kind
of my attitude today.
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Amen, well thank you
so much for being with us.
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Wyatt: My pleasure.
00:27:43.29\00:27:44.63
May God continue to bless you
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as you continue in His
steps, you are following Jesus.
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I can't believe,
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we've reached the
end of another Program
00:27:51.07\00:27:53.07
the time goes by so fast
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especially when you
have a rich story like this,
00:27:55.40\00:27:58.14
make sure to join us
next time though and remember,
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it just wouldn't be
the same, without you.
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