Are you watching
what's going on in the world
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and wondering just how
some of this applies to you?
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Well, stay tuned to meet a man
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who can put it
all together for us.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is Lincoln Steed,
Editor of Liberty Magazine
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and host of 3ABN's
Program, Liberty Insider.
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Welcome to Urban Report Lincoln.
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Great to be
here, thank you Yvonne.
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You were here a while ago
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and I didn't
have the opportunity
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to bring you on to Urban Report,
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and I thought, "I
have got to bring you
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onto this Program
because there's so much
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going on in the
world. Mr. Steed: Absolutely.
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How many hours do we
have on this Program?
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I know, I know, I
wish we had a while,
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we have about 30
minutes and it goes really fast.
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But how does... well
let's start with the Pope
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because the Pope came to
visit and I noticed Lincoln that
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everybody...
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there are people who
aren't even religious,
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they are loving this Pope
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they're thinking he is the
best thing since sliced bread,
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He has become a Media
personality, isn't he?
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He has... he's like an icon,
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tell us a bit about the Pope's
visit and the implications.
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Well, first of all,
it's worth remembering,
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we're on a
religious radio broadcast
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but this is way more significant
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than just from a
religious perspective
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from a Civic Government,
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the United States
of America was set up
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as a Secular Government
separation of Church and State
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and it's massive to
have the Head of a Church
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who happens to be
the Head of a State,
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so he's the antithesis
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of this Church-State
separation in the United States,
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here, this figure, is addressing
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and indeed
lecturing the U.S. Congress,
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there has never
been a Church Leader
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speak directly to the
Joint Session of Congress
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so this was a massively
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historical
precedent that was set.
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And I think our
Viewers need to chew on that,
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just a little bit
because what you're saying is
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we as a Country have been set up
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to have a total separation
of Church and State...
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The Constitution mandates it.
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And here we have
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a kind of "King"
of Vatican City right?
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who is also a Religious Leader,
so he is the antithesis of...
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No, admittedly a
very little State,
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Mussolini, the
one-time dictator of Italy
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just before World War 2,
signed a concordant with Rome
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where he gave them back
a 110 acres, I think it is,
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which made them... made
the Pope the Head of State
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and then I read
the Agreement recently,
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and it says there that the
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Cardinals are to be treated
as the Princes of the Blood,
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Princess of the Blood!
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So that gave them
temporal power back again
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before that, the Pope had
been dis-empowered for a while
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but in centuries earlier
He'd being basically, a Fief,
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he'd have a
Fiefdom, where he ruled
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some of the little
"Statelings" in Italy
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as the same time as being
Head of a Religious Organization
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so we're seeing
what the Bible, I think,
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Protestants for
100s of years believed
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that this religious
entity would be re-empowered
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until the whole
world wonders after him,
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and it clearly is a wonder,
you don't have to be religious
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to see that this guy is the
latest "Flavor of the Year. "
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Absolutely,
he's on the covers...
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Kissing babies
like any politician.
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Absolutely, absolutely,
he's on the covers of magazines
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and people on... I
watch different News Channels
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and they're all saying,
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"I'm not religious
but guy is just special...
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and this guy is wonderful"
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the other thing that
is interesting to me,
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is that he's a Jesuit,
he's a Jesuit and he's the Pope
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and traditionally there
has been some kind of friction
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between the
Jesuits and the Papacy.
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A little bit... yes and no...
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the Jesuits were founded
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immediately after the
Protestant Reformation
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by Ignatius Loyola an ex-soldier
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with the stated aim
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of gaining back,
by any means possible,
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what was lost in the
Protestant Reformation.
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So they are, in essence,
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the shock-troopers of
Orthodoxy for the church.
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Over the years they
became a little bit unmanageable
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at different times
but Jean Paul the 2nd
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brought the Group to order,
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he changed the
Director of the Jesuit Order
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and made all of them swear
personal fealty to the Pope.
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But now that we have
a Pope who is a Jesuit,
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I think, if
nothing else, this signals
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that they want to
set the house in order
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and gain full
control of the agenda.
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Why should the
average Christian, let's say,
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be concerned about the
Pope, why is this important?
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Well, the average Christian,
many of the Christians
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are Roman
Catholic, they should see...
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they should wonder what
their own church is doing
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but certainly Protestants
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who were once the
majority in the United States
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which was never a
Christian Republic
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but was a majority
Protestant Society,
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they should
recognize that really...
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history is being
unraveled before their eyes
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and that the claims of
the Papacy that precipitated
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the Reformation
are being restated
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for absolute
dominance to political power
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I mean, the speech of the Pope
was like a king dictating...
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he was actually
lecturing Congress
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it wasn't just a familial
talk, he was telling them off,
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he was saying that
Capitalism is wrong,
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that you need to change
and to be more understanding
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for global issues
and for the under...
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now these are all
good messages in themselves
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but they're part
of a larger Agenda
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and I personally
found that troubling,
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I love history and
the Pope started off with
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extolling Abraham Lincoln,
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Abraham Lincoln was assassinated
not just by John Wilkes Booth
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but there was a plot,
there were 11 plotters
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four were hanged, four
were in prison for life,
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all of them but one
were Roman Catholics
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rare to be Catholics at
this time in this Country...
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but at the time it
was felt by the populace
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that this was indeed
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a Roman Catholic plot
against Protestant America.
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Now, whether or not it was
as deep-seated as they thought,
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those were the
thoughts at the time
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for the Pope to
be glibly mentioning
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the assassination
of Abraham Lincoln
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I thought was
rather provocative.
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Well, how interesting is that!
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Yeah, I've heard no one comment
on it but it's very interesting.
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But I always heard
it was John Wilkes Booth
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and that's it, I
never knew that there was
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a kind of conspiracy.
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The conspiracy was to...
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and it all
happened... much of it happened
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but it didn't...
wasn't pulled off correctly,
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John Wilkes Booth
shot Abraham Lincoln
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another conspirator,
at the exact same time,
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tried to kill Secretary Seward,
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he was stabbed many
times but he survived
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another conspirator was
assigned to kill General Grant,
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and another conspirator
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was assigned to kill
the Vice President, Johnson,
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one of them
chickened out and ran away
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one stabbed a guy
but he didn't die and so
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like many
large-scale plots it fell down
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but it was a coordinated plan
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to decapitate the
Government in the United States.
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They were all Roman Catholics?
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All except one who was
in the process of converting
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and that doesn't prove
the deep-seated conspiracy,
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that's not my
point, my point is,
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that was what
was seen at the time,
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it was rather
damning and further,
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there was one of the
plotters who was an extra...
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he was the
brother of Mary Surratt,
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he was a Confederate spy,
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another Roman Catholic he
escaped and went to Canada,
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was sheltered by priests,
then he ended up in Rome
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and the Pope's bodyguard,
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and then he was
extradited and by that time,
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the furor died down and they
couldn't pin him in Washington
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at the time of the
assassination so he went free,
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but it's a very complicated
plot that has everything to do
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with the Catholic-Protestant
divide at the time.
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Not all of that which was
good, you must understand,
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at different times in
US History for example,
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there has been the Ku Klux Klan
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people remember
that as a racist...
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very racist Organization
but their charter was,
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"White Protestant America"
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they viciously attacked
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Roman Catholics in
Protestant America so
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the Protestant sensibility
was very marked in early America
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at the time of Abraham Lincoln,
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so to have a
conspiracy which was real,
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that was obviously
made up of Roman Catholics
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was a huge wake-up call
to Americans at that time.
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It's interesting because
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that's not something
that is widely known.
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No, it might be a little
more because there's a film
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by a Hollywood Filmmaker
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that's about
the come out on this
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Ah... But
anyhow, that is history
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and my point is...
just that given that history
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the Pope was being a little
provocative to throw that up,
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but he threw in more substantial
things in this speech
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that most people didn't
notice. Yvonne: Such as?
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He spoke much
about Global Warming
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or environmental concern,
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and he made
allusions to his document
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I wish I could
remember the Latin term on it
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but it just came
out the same year,
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and in that document,
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he says
something very interesting
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it's mostly secular but he says
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we need to put a
religious component on it,
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and he says, "The
ancient Israelites
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when they were given
the Commandments by God,
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were given the
fourth Commandment
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to keep the seventh-day Sabbath
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as a memorial of Creation
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and a reminder of their
custody of the environment. "
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Now that's great,
Seventh-day Adventists feel good
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but then he
segues a little later
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and he says... "And
so we Christians know
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in keeping Sunday,
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the day celebrating
the Lord's resurrection,
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we will keep that as a memorial
of environmental consciousness"
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so he acknowledged Saturday
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but applied it all to a Sunday.
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So... well we're not necessarily
the day before a Sunday Law
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it was preparing the
way for the civil logic
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for a Sunday... to commemorate
our environmental concern
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and nobody is
against environmental concern
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well, perhaps a few
religious, not religious...
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the political reaction
is... Yvonne: Pans out...
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I'm thinking in code,
but really something is...
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around the world,
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the weather is a
little out of whack,
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what's caused
it to be discussed?
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And so we all want to...
as he says in the document...
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"protect our common
home" that brings us together
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but he has inserted, as
I said in Liberty Magazine,
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a partisan
concern for the Sunday
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which is clearly
the mark of Papal power
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from the earliest days,
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they're not under
any cover anymore,
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they're saying,
"This is not Biblical
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it's a parallel
expression from the Sabbath
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that God intended"
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and they're saying that
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on the authority
of the church by its
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innate power and the
tradition of the church fathers
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we say it's Sunday.
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Isn't it amazing that
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so many folks just
take Sunday for granted
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they go to church on Sunday
and this is not a put-down
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of people who don't know
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this is just... it is
just... is what it is...
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many people don't
know where Sunday came from
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and it's my hope that
as they watch our Programs
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that they'll understand
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where the worship
on Sunday came from.
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And now the Pope
is reinforcing...
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And ironically, not just...
not particularly in this speech
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but he alluded to Sunday
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but you can go to the
website of the Papacy,
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and they have documents
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including
documents on Dies Domini,
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on the Day of the Lord.
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They have another
one... well that's the main one
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where they talk about...
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"The Lord's Day" so to speak...
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Yeah, they talk
about Sabbath Sunday
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and they don't...
they're very honest
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" the Bible," they say,
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"is the Seventh-day
Sabbath that God instituted,"
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they admit that it
was the Catholic Church
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through its innate power,
they say, that changed it,
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so what you're really
faced with is not whether or not
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Sunday Sabbath
is the correct day
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and Sunday is right or wrong...
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that's plain...
the real issue is,
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"Are you willing to accept
the authority of God's Word
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that has been handed
down through the ages,
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or do you accept
the assumed authority
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of this church entity?"
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And that's a
very interesting point
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because it's like, "Who?"
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Whose authority is preeminent?
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Absolutely...
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Whose authority are
you going to follow?
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And I don't think
I'm saying anything
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that the Catholic
Church will find offensive,
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I read their material, and it...
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it all rises or falls on
authority... not on evidence,
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the evidence is very
plain, not challenged, nada...
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once upon a time they
used to quibble and try to say
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some of the
texts that we would use
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to support the
seventh-day Sabbath
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well you know... suspect,
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but that's not the case now.
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Yeah, yeah... how did you get
interested in religious liberty?
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I was always interested in...
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I studied to be a
Seventh-day Adventist Christian,
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and I learned
prophecy and Bible texts
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and I read and studied the Bible
but I was always interested
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in current events, history
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and how things work
out through our culture
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and if you follow
things, it's a lot clearer
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and while history
doesn't repeat itself,
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the patterns of
history, the dynamic of history,
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in this case, the
thread of how men treat
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religion and the religious
powers that rise and fall,
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how they operate
is fairly predictable.
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Hmmm... hmmm... hmmm...
are you a student of Psychology
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or do you like to
figure out how people think?
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Well I like to... but my wife's
the student of Psychology,
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she's got me figured out.
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That's a good answer.
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But that's it,
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I think human
nature is fairly similar
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and there's that
statement, that power corrupts,
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and absolute power
corrupts absolutely,
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and that's very much
evident in the Christian church
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it didn't happen all at once,
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it is worth remembering
that the Roman Catholic Church
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while I don't
quite accept their claims
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to be the
singular line from Peter
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or that certainly
the Emperors of Rome
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did not give them
the Empire, you know,
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"the Donation of
Constantine" is a total fraud
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and the Catholic
church itself knows it,
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they pretty much go back to
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the very earliest
days of Christianity
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we certainly can
see that human nature...
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What about Constantine?
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Well there was a document
that's in the Vatican Archives
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called, "The
Donation of Constantine"
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supposedly a legal
document whereby Constantine
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in the waning
days of the empire,
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ceded the City of Rome
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and all the authority that goes
with it to the Bishop of Rome.
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But that was
discovered, as I remember,
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about the year 800 or so...
by a Roman Catholic Historian
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to be totally bogus,
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but they needed a document
to show they're picking up...
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because what we're really seeing
is not just a religious power,
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as I look at the Pope of Rome,
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I see the Ghost
of the Roman Empire
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walking in front of us still,
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the Roman Empire
ruled the Western World
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for many hundreds
and hundreds of years,
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it then moved to Constantinople
which is, today, Istanbul
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until it was
overthrown by the Muslims
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and all of that disappeared,
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even though the Eastern
Orthodox Church continued
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but the remainder
of the Roman Empire
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is literally the Bishop of Rome,
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he accepted a lot
of the political power
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and attributes of Rome,
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it's part of no accident
that all of it is in Latin,
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Latin is not a
Christian language
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it's the language of the Empire.
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Yes, yes, so when we see
this whole Ecumenical Movement
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going on, where
Protestants seemingly
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have forgotten what
was originally protested...
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It does seem that way.
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That we can see
America and Protestantism
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grasping hands
with Rome, and saying,
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"We are one and you are our
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moral authority,
you are our Leader. "
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You're almost
quoting from the book written
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to Seventh-day Adventists
particularly by Ellen White,
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the pioneer of our Church,
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I believe she was
inspired when she said,
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"Look into the future,
this would happen one day"
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when she wrote that,
that was incomprehensible.
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Something I've
mentioned on my Program
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and it's an amazing fact,
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President Adams
and President Jefferson
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were political
enemies but they...
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in their declining days
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till they died on
the very same day...
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50 years after the
Declaration of Independence
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they wrote letters and
they discussed at one point
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whether religion
would survive in America,
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Adams said, "Yes,"
Jefferson said, "No,"
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but Adams said,
"For it to survive... "
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this is an exact quote, he says,
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"But first that
Hindu Capitalistic System
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known as Roman
Catholicism must die,"
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he says, "At present,
it has a mortal wound,
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but such as its strength
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that it may take 200
years more for it to perish. "
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Now when Ellen White wrote those
words... in an early America,
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it was not self-evident
that Rome was this great power,
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it was not
self-evident that Protestantism
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which was well
separated and delineated
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and the dominant religious
force in the United States,
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it's not quite
true that it was founded
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only by religious dissidents,
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Protestants...
leaving the old world,
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but many of them were,
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but it had a
distinctly Protestant flavor.
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Several years ago during the...
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actually I think it was the
last US Presidential election,
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Senator Santorum, a
very fine Catholic Senator,
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I mean... he's a truly
dedicated Roman Catholic
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an observant Roman Catholic,
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he made a public comment
that scared a lot of people
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and I think it reflects the
thinking of his church community
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he said, "Protestantism
is absent in America today"
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that's how they
perceive it. Yvonne: Hmmm...
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And I don't
remember any great objection
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to the Pope coming and speaking,
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now, under the
freedom of religion,
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people have every right
to believe whatever they want
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no matter how wrong
or different you see it,
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so the Pope was
free to come here,
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we should have welcomed him,
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but in the role he was given,
and the uncritical acclaim,
00:19:02.24\00:19:06.31
it was all
improper... let's just say
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and it was
really out of character
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for an extensively
Protestant Society.
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Do you find that it
was disproportionate to...
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kind of who... of
how we should have
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welcomed him... in a sense?
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Well, he certainly
shouldn't have been speaking
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to a Joint Session of Congress,
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and it might have been better
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if he had spoke
of Religious things
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in the moment given to him
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but he really spoke
of political things,
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it was a
political speech primarily
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so it's very telling
in the age we live in
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that an
extensively Protestant Society
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could be lectured to...
from a position of power
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from the religious
opposite of we're founded on.
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That's very
interesting, what about ISIS,
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what about the role of ISIS?
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I believe we're in
a similar dynamic now
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that actually existed
00:19:59.93\00:20:01.26
at the time of the
Protestant Reformation,
00:20:01.30\00:20:02.83
Martin Luther, who of course
was a Roman Catholic Priest,
00:20:02.86\00:20:06.60
he didn't arrive full-blown
as a Protestant Reformer,
00:20:06.63\00:20:10.31
he was a Roman Catholic Priest
a true servant of the church
00:20:10.34\00:20:13.48
who sincerely
wanted to serve his church,
00:20:13.51\00:20:15.74
he discovered
through his Bible Study
00:20:15.78\00:20:17.95
certain inconsistencies
00:20:17.98\00:20:20.08
and he'd seen how
paganism had made such in-roads,
00:20:20.12\00:20:23.15
so he cried for
reform and immediately...
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well not immediately but
as an immediate consequence
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he was ex-communicated
and under threat of his life,
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he normally...
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and it had happened many
times before in that era,
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he normally would have
been dealt with severely...
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probably burned at the stake
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what saved him
was that Europe...
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Western Europe was under
mortal threat of invasion
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by the Muslims...
00:20:46.64\00:20:47.98
the Ottoman Turks
had besieged Vienna,
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they eventually besieged Vienna,
00:20:52.11\00:20:54.35
they had
previously threatened France,
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they had taken Spain so...
their very survival was at stake
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and the Emperor of
the Holy Roman Empire
00:21:01.16\00:21:03.22
needed every able-bodied
soldier to fight them off,
00:21:03.26\00:21:06.23
he could not afford to
alienate the Elector of Saxony
00:21:06.26\00:21:09.20
who was Martin
Luther's protector
00:21:09.26\00:21:11.77
so it was essentially
this ominous threat of Islam
00:21:11.80\00:21:16.24
that enabled the
Protestant Reformation
00:21:16.30\00:21:18.61
but the point I'm making is that
00:21:18.64\00:21:20.71
it wasn't just in the Crusades
00:21:20.74\00:21:22.74
around the year 11
or 1200 and thereabouts,
00:21:22.78\00:21:26.88
when Europe
wasn't itself threatened
00:21:26.92\00:21:29.52
but there was this conflict
between Islam and Christianity,
00:21:29.58\00:21:32.22
but at the time
of the Reformation,
00:21:32.25\00:21:34.26
300 or 400 years later,
that's when it was mortal peril
00:21:34.29\00:21:38.59
and it was one religion
definitely against another
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and it lasted for a long time,
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I believe we're
seeing in our day,
00:21:43.57\00:21:46.80
a repeat of
that... and ISIS or ISIL...
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"Da'ish" as they're
called in the Middle East
00:21:50.27\00:21:52.61
an acronym from
their own name in Arabic,
00:21:52.64\00:21:56.11
includes in its
title, the Islamic State
00:21:56.14\00:21:59.38
and I've noticed that
the President... Obama
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uses the term "ISIL"
00:22:02.98\00:22:04.49
which is more
descriptive than most,
00:22:04.52\00:22:06.12
is the "Islamic State
of Iraq and the Levant. "
00:22:06.15\00:22:10.99
What is the Levant, no
one knows that term very well
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that's the area
along the Mediterranean
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between Turkey and Egypt,
what's between Turkey and Egypt?
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That's the Holy
Land. Yvonne: Ahhh...
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This is a group that is
laying claim to the Bible lands
00:22:24.94\00:22:29.14
for want of a better term
00:22:29.18\00:22:30.51
and so this is a mortal
blow against all of Christianity
00:22:30.55\00:22:35.78
and what Judaism
stands for, this isn't just...
00:22:35.82\00:22:38.39
as they've also
said in another term,
00:22:38.42\00:22:41.06
re-writing the Skyes-Picot
Agreements from World War 1
00:22:41.09\00:22:44.39
and most people
have no knowledge of that
00:22:44.43\00:22:47.36
but the great
powers, France and England,
00:22:47.40\00:22:50.30
around the time of World War 1,
00:22:50.33\00:22:54.30
after Lawrence
of Arabia's episode,
00:22:54.34\00:22:56.24
they sat down... the two of them
00:22:56.27\00:22:58.14
and just arbitrarily
divvied up the Middle East.
00:22:58.17\00:23:00.84
Now there's no question
that that was arbitrary,
00:23:00.88\00:23:03.55
it was designed to weaken
different groups like the Kurds,
00:23:03.58\00:23:05.95
they were cut into
about four segments.
00:23:06.01\00:23:07.82
If I were living in that
area, I might feel some...
00:23:07.85\00:23:11.99
some... yeah a little aggrieved
00:23:12.02\00:23:15.29
that the Great
Powers have manipulated us
00:23:15.32\00:23:17.16
but ISIL is a
little more than that
00:23:17.19\00:23:20.03
they want to
reclaim for Islam...
00:23:20.06\00:23:23.33
this heartland
that they once had
00:23:23.37\00:23:25.83
and that they want to reclaim,
00:23:25.87\00:23:28.27
and of course, it's
contested by Israel,
00:23:28.30\00:23:30.61
it's... in the larger sense,
00:23:30.67\00:23:34.28
it's disputed by the
whole Christian West.
00:23:34.31\00:23:38.35
So you see it as a
kind of war of sorts,
00:23:38.38\00:23:42.42
of contention
between Radical Islam
00:23:42.45\00:23:46.35
and Christianity and Judaism.
00:23:46.42\00:23:50.03
It's a little more
complicated, again history...
00:23:50.09\00:23:52.23
I'm sorry to give
such a précis of it...
00:23:52.26\00:23:54.80
there was a big war
just before World War 1
00:23:54.83\00:23:57.27
that most people have
forgotten but it was a huge war
00:23:57.33\00:23:59.63
the Crimean War,
00:23:59.67\00:24:01.64
it was fought
under Crimean Peninsula
00:24:01.67\00:24:04.31
which we've seen recently
where Russia took it over,
00:24:04.34\00:24:07.14
and it was precipitated
by who was going to protect
00:24:07.18\00:24:09.94
Christians in the
Holy Land from Turkey...
00:24:09.98\00:24:13.11
the Ottoman Turkish Empire
which ruled all of that area
00:24:13.15\00:24:15.75
right down through Palestine.
00:24:15.78\00:24:17.75
Russia wanted to
defend the Christians
00:24:17.79\00:24:23.06
as the Representatives of
the Eastern Orthodox Church
00:24:23.09\00:24:26.03
and they attacked Turkey,
00:24:26.06\00:24:27.40
there was then the... England,
00:24:27.43\00:24:30.27
the Protestant
Defender of Christians,
00:24:30.30\00:24:31.90
there was France... the
Defender of Catholic Christians
00:24:31.93\00:24:35.40
and they would have
come in and fought separately
00:24:35.44\00:24:38.67
but they were all a
bit antagonistic to Russia
00:24:38.71\00:24:41.78
so Turkey, England and
France ganged up on Russia,
00:24:41.81\00:24:46.31
doesn't that
sound a little familiar?
00:24:46.35\00:24:48.65
It does...
00:24:48.68\00:24:50.02
And I believe Russia
is somewhat coming in
00:24:50.05\00:24:52.65
from a religious
sensibility because...
00:24:52.69\00:24:55.39
since the fall of Communism,
the Eastern Orthodox Church
00:24:55.42\00:24:58.93
has closed ranks
with the Government
00:24:58.96\00:25:01.20
and they've
reasserted their own role
00:25:01.23\00:25:03.53
as basically the
Church of the State
00:25:03.57\00:25:05.80
and it can't be
pleasant to the Eastern Orthodox
00:25:05.83\00:25:10.71
to see an Islamic threat
coming up into their heartland,
00:25:10.77\00:25:14.21
so we are seeing a
religious war and as before
00:25:14.28\00:25:18.35
I believe this
conflict with Islam
00:25:18.38\00:25:21.38
is going to
precipitate massive changes
00:25:21.42\00:25:24.65
on religious understandings
and religious liberty
00:25:24.69\00:25:27.52
even in the United States.
00:25:27.56\00:25:28.89
Changes like what?
00:25:28.92\00:25:30.26
Well it's
precipitating a fear of
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religious
activism, fundamentalism,
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to use the word
that's never come pejorative
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and religions
outside of the mainstream
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and it's very
clear that the Pope...
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I mean... there's
a state about him,
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wants to form a
religious coalition
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of acceptable, safe churches,
under the umbrella of Rome,
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and I believe in this conflict,
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the other... is going to
be seen as threatening...
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the other are the so
called... extremist Muslims
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who might cut your head off
or shoot up your neighborhood
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but there are others others...
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remember we had a
bombing at an abortion clinic,
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or a shooting at an
abortion clinic recently,
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and there are pains to say,
"it's just not radical Islam,"
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so I think we're
heading to a point
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where it could be seen as
dangerous to the public good
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to even belong to a less
than mainstream religious group,
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certainly one that is not
acceptable to the Pope's call
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and in his speech he said that
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he said, "We must be...
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reject absolutely
extremists and fundamentalists"
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and is... what
would define that?
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Anyone that doesn't
answer to his description of
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saving our common planet.
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So that... then...
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can put Seventh-day Adventists,
for example, in jeopardy.
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It could put us... and
probably some other groups too.
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Wow! this is
fascinating because...
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and I'm trying to ask questions
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that I think our
Viewers would want to know
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because there's
so much we don't know
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and you can tie in all
the historical aspects of it
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as well as the...
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I think we can see
the lay of the land,
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as far as the individual person
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they need to live their faith,
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you know, you can't change
your faith because of fear
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or because of what you
think might be happening
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but we can be forewarned,
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we can see where
the dynamic is heading
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but as always... the individual
has to live before God,
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and to maintain a
very confident, secure,
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active and interactive faith,
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we can't afford
to hide in our corner
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now-a-days that
will just portray you as
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someone a little bit sinister
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but if you're a
loving and lovable Christian
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I think it will go a long
way to dissipating this growing
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suspicion of less than
mainline religious groups.
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Well you have
certainly educated us today
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and we really
appreciate your being here.
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Thank you so much. My pleasure.
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God bless you, we'll
have you on again too
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if you'll come back.
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much for joining us,
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join us next time
because you know what?
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