What do you say to a person
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that just
doesn't believe in God?
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Stay tuned to find out.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report.
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My guest today is
Dr. Subodh Pandit,
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Physician and Lecturer.
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I met Dr. Pandit at
ASI and he was fascinating,
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let's take a look.
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You know, one of my
absolute favorite things
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about ASI is that
I get to meet people
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who are doing
amazing things for God
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that have tremendous ministries,
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ministries that are
so different and unique,
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and my guest today
is Dr. Subodh Pandit
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he is the President of
Search Seminars International
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and he has an amazing ministry
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and you know how you love
to hear about these stories,
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I love to share with our Viewers
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amazing
testimonies and resources
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and so Dr.
Pandit, thank you so much.
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It's nice to be here.
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So, Search Seminars...
I first heard about it
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through Pastor John
Lomacang who told me
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that you have to meet this man,
he's got a tremendous ministry
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and he and his wife
Angie were telling me
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about Search Seminars
and about what you're doing
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and the fact that nobody
else is really doing it...
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that we know of
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it's an amazing ministry,
tell us a bit about Search.
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First of all, it
is the word itself,
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"Search" so it is not a lecture
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it's not something
that was built up by itself
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it was a real
life search for me.
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I grew up in India.
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India has the largest
Hindu population in the world,
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the second largest...
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probably... Muslim
population in the world.
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We have more Muslims in India
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than the whole Arabian
Peninsula put together,
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Buddhism was born in India,
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tradition has it that
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Christianity came to India
in the very first generation
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Saint Thomas, one of the
disciples of Jesus came there,
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Zoroastrians live in India,
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Sikhs,
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Jains,
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so in this crucible,
when I was growing up
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questions came
to me quite strongly
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and I was... at
times troubled by them.
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So I went on a
journey of inquiry
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and which I called a
"search" and's why...
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the title of...
whenever I present it,
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is entitled,
"Come Search with Me. "
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It is a real search of my own
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which I now share with
those who want to listen.
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That's amazing, so
the Search Seminars
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were actually borne
out of your own search...
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your own desire to find answers
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to certain
questions that you had.
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That's right.
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And so you share that journey
and that process with others.
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That's right.
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Okay, so, with the
search, the whole process,
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explain who you're trying
to reach with Search Seminars.
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Basically, the
search was for myself,
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and I divided it
into two portions,
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the first one was, how
would a rational, scientific
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inquiring mind actually
accept the concept of God
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who we cannot even see or hear?
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So I had to answer
that question first.
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Then, once you settle on
that, the question then comes
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as to, "Do we have any idea
of the identity of this God?"
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Hmmm...
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There are claims out there,
so, can we identify Him as the
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Christian God,
as the Muslim God,
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or as the Hindu God, which one?
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So, we went through
two phases really...
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the first one
was, is there a God?
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It has to be based
on reason and logic
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because at that point
you cannot bring in religion,
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religions
already believe in God,
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it would be circular reasoning
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at that point. Right...
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So, that's what
I did in my search
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it took me a few
decades to do that
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and so when I now present this,
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or share it,
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the first audience
that I usually speak to
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are those who just
don't believe at all in God,
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we could call them
Atheists, Humanists,
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and when we speak to them,
we have to use their language.
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You know, one of the
things that is amazing to me
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in these current times is that
there is such a proliferation
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of Atheism in our Society,
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there are so many people
who are living without God
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in their lives, the Humanists,
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the New Age
Movement with Humanism
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and the whole
idea that man is god,
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you are your own god,
every path leads to god,
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I mean, there are so
many little things there,
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so many directions
there that you could go
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and yet there
are so many people,
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who feel like there is no God.
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It behooves us as
Christians to know
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how to relate to these people
and we can't use Scripture
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to lead them to
God, so to speak,
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I mean, you can't say
there is a God because
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in Genesis 1:1 it says,
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"In the beginning God created
the heavens and the earth"
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people who don't believe
in that are like, "So what?"
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Exactly... so what?
I don't believe in that
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so why are you
quoting that? Yvonne: Right.
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So, it becomes, like I
said, "circular reasoning"
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it's like saying, "I'm
telling you the truth,"
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and you ask, "why?"
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"Well, because I'm telling
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you the truth"
Yvonne: Right, right.
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That doesn't sound
reasonable or really convincing
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to a person who
really wants to know, "Why?"
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Yeah.
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So we must
change the way we talk
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so that we ourselves are
satisfied with what we're saying
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and that would require
that we speak their language
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and their language
basically would be Science,
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reason, common sense, and
that is what I aim to show
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and the reason I'm
convinced about this,
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is because of the way
it satisfied my own heart
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when I asked these questions.
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Yeah, so, because you were
coming from that place of logic
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as a Scientist, as a Physician,
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you were coming from
that place of logic and reason
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and imperatism and
just... you know...
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the scientific
method, so all of these things
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were in play for you and then
you also... being from India
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where Hinduism
has thousands of gods,
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right, and then you've
got the Muslim religion...
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all these different religions,
so you began to question
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who is God, is there a God?
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So what was the first...
the first step that you took
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as you began your search?
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The first step was
actually laying a foundation
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whenever there's
a large question,
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especially in which
there are controversies,
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then if you want to
have a real good conversation
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that's reasonable,
two-way conversation,
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you must lay a premise,
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and the basic
premise that I had to lay was
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I would now become an inquirer,
not a believer, not a skeptic,
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because a believer will swallow,
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a skeptic will keep on
questioning everything,
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but really if you draw it
to its logical conclusion,
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if you say, "I'm going
to question everything"
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you would have to
question your question itself,
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so that destroys
the whole processes,
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so, not a
skeptic, not a believer,
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an inquirer...
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and an inquirer is not
worried about the end result,
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his focus is, "Am I
making a credible inquiry?"
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"Is my process really reasonable
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and is it based on
anybody looking on...
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seeing it to be credible,
seeing it to be reasonable,
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seeing it to be satisfying?"
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So that basis was my first step
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and then I went on
to ask the question
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that are not really related
directly to the tenets of belief
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but to the basis on which
the tenets of belief are built
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and that is the
story in which it came
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every message
from the other world
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came to us in
the form of a story.
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Hmmm...
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So when you look at the
story rather than the doctrine,
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you can ask questions that
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anyone can ask... Yvonne: Yes.
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And then when you
ask those questions,
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you get it from their
own writings... the answers,
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and don't controvert
because you're not in a position
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to say "right" or "wrong,"
just place it on the table
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and see what happens,
see where the chips fall,
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it's amazing how the weight
of evidence becomes compelling.
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Yes, yes, see that
makes so much sense
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and I think, to
the enquiring mind,
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to the logical
mind that's not...
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that's not invested either way,
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but that really just
kind of wants to know
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if you're really
seeking to know... something...
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then you have to balance it,
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you have to look at
the pluses and the minuses
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and then use the
intelligence that you have,
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that we know that
God has given you,
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to deduce the truth.
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Exactly, for
example, the first question,
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"Is there a God?"
Usually we go to one side
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and argue the pros and cons,
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I said, "No,
there are two options,
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there is a God,
there is no God,"
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so there are two options
and if you are an inquirer,
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then you will look at both
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and you'll look
for evidences for both,
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that are in favor of both,
and then you'll turn around
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and look for
evidences that are against both,
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so you will have
four columns of arguments.
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When you do that,
you have established
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that you're trying to be as
fair and balanced as possible
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and then when you really
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get to the place
where you make the enquiry
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I think there are
four things that really
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should form the atmosphere,
the first is humility,
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the second is
honesty, the third is calmness,
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and the fourth is respect.
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If you use these four
on any controversial topic,
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I think we can
come out as friends
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even if we disagree completely.
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Yes, yes, so it's honesty,
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humility, calmness
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and respect.
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That is so true because
when you're talking to someone,
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who either...
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who doesn't believe
at all or doesn't...
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even when you're talking to
someone that comes to your home,
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like these
missionaries, so to speak,
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they come to your home
and they knock on the door
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and they say,
"Could we talk to you about
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Scripture or whatever?"
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There should always be respect,
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there should always be a
situation where you're listening
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to what they have to say
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and not just
ready to pound them.
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You should keep
their dignity. Yvonne: Yes.
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If you do not
keep their dignity,
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they can
recognize it right away.
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Yes, yes.
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So this is one thing
that I really learned
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hold their dignity up,
and if you use these four,
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you will do that.
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So, let's say, I am an Atheist,
and you and I are on a plane
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and we start to
talk and I find out that
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you're kind of an apologist,
you're an apologist for God,
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so, I'm listening to
you and I find out that
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you are a believer
in God and I'm not,
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what would you say to
me, I'm going to pretend,
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we're going to role-play
now and I'm going to pretend
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that I am an
Atheist, even though I hate...
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I hate even
denouncing God on any level but
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just for the
sake of role playing.
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Subodh: People do that.
Yvonne: Yes, people do that,
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so, now I'm the
person on the plane with you.
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So, you believe in
this God that you talk about
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that is a Creator,
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why should I
believe in God, why?
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So you are asking
for some kind of a basis
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if you are doing that,
let's settle on one thing
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that we will both be inquirers,
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in other words, come
and sit on my side with me,
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beside me, it's
not me telling you,
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let's both search for
the truth of the matter...
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Yvonne: Okay.
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And if we are going
to do that together,
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we should be agreed that
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certain
parameters will govern us
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for example,
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let's talk only on Science,
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Reason and Logic.
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Okay, because I don't
see how you can say that
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and say you believe in God with
Science and Reason, but okay...
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That's right, so we
start by laying the foundation,
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we're going to
use only these three,
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so let me ask you whether
there can be good evidence
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for anything that
was never in existence,
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and you will find
that there cannot be...
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so when you ask
me for an evidence,
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you haven't
really thought it through
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but there cannot be evidence
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for that which was
never in existence.
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Yvonne: That's true.
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So you're
asking me for something
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that you have
already made up your mind,
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that is why you
to come beside me
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and let's look at it together
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so what kind of
evidence can there be?
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One of the things is,
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I'll place before
you... is simple logic,
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now, logic requires two things,
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one a base statement that
you and I will both agree on,
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and once we have
agreed on the base statement,
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then we'll use
steps of reasoning
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to come to some
kind of a conclusion.
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So, here's what I
would make as one example
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by which I can
appeal to you... Logic,
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let's start with the
base statement on one topic,
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the "order
principle" of Science, states
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that when there is
a cause and an effect,
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then the cause cannot
be less than the effect,
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the cause will most likely
be greater than the effect,
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so now, we don't have to
do much of an experiment,
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we'll just look...
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and look for
observational information.
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On earth, we have life,
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so I have life,
you also have life,
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then the source... the cause...
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should have life
that is more than yours
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and more than mine
because He gave it to everyone.
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So we can deduce
logically at that point
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that the cause of all life
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has a reservoir of
life to impart it to us,
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so can we call
that "plenty of life?"
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How about
intellect? The same argument,
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if He gave your
intellect as well as mine,
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then He must be having a huge
bank account of an intellect
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to impart it... to all of us,
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when you look at it this way,
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by the "order
principle" of Science,
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then you can make a very
good reasonable deduction
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which is the
basis of all Science,
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that the cause, the source,
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alive, plenty of life,
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we could even
say, "eternal life,"
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plenty of power,
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we could use the
word "All Powerful,"
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so once you do this exercise,
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in a reasonable,
honest, open way,
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then logic will lead
you to the conclusion
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that beyond us, there is a Being
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that has all these
tremendous qualities,
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and so it is reasonable to say,
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that this being
could be called "God"
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because He's omniscient,
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He has plenty of
life, eternal life...
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and He is all powerful.
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We have described
the attributes of God
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without one word from
any religious book at all.
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That's true, that's true,
but then following that logic,
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the logic of "cause and effect,"
what was the cause or the...
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where did God come
from then, who created God?
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That is a very
reasonable question.
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In fact, it's very common
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because we are
following a logic.
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Yvonne: Right.
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And if this made
this and this made that,
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then who made
God? Yvonne: Right.
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Well, we can't
answer the completely
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but here's how I will respond
to you if you ask me that.
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I don't know.
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And see, that's one of
the four things that you said
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honesty, calmness,
what was the fourth one?
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Humility and respect.
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I don't know, nor
do you, as an Atheist,
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so as an Atheist you don't know
and as a believer, I don't know,
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so the "I don't know"
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cannot be the
deciding factor then,
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so it might be something else.
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Okay, explain why "I
don't know" is not acceptable.
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Because you really
don't know who made God
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and I also don't know
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so both of us
don't know who made God,
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that's why you asked me,
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if you did know,
you wouldn't have asked.
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Yvonne: Right.
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Okay, so we don't know,
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just because we don't know,
doesn't mean it is non-existent,
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just because I
don't know, for example,
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who made your car,
is the car non-existent?
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No, so just
because you don't know
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it is not non-existent.
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Secondly, if you
say, "Who made God?"
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and I say, "Well,
it could be His father"
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then you'll say,
"Who made the father?"
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In other words,
you can go on and on
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and it actually comes to a...
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you'll have to describe it as
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infinitely going
on... the question...
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an infinite group of ideas
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in a series,
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cannot be the originator
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of the series.
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In other words,
something inside there
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which you are
saying is the cause
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and is caused by something else,
cannot be the original cause.
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The original cause
has to have features
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that are different
from inside the series,
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so if one of the features of
the parts inside the series is
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that it is caused,
then the ultimate one
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you have to
describe it as "uncaused,"
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otherwise we cannot
bring the series to a point
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and only that can
be the originator,
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here we are in the universe,
there had to be a point,
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and you cannot have
an infinite series...
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which is going on
and on... with no point.
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Right, right,
well that makes sense,
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that makes sense.
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So logically then, you
and I are in the same boat.
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Okay, okay, I think
you're boxing me in now, Doc,
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I think you're boxing
me in, so, how many...
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tell us about some of the...
we're done with the role play
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I see how you kind of
go from Point A to Point B
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and you teach this do you not?
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Because people would want
to know... if their neighbor,
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if their co-worker,
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if the person that they meet in
the grocery store is an Atheist,
00:21:01.72\00:21:06.90
how do I approach that,
00:21:06.93\00:21:08.46
how can I give them
something to think about?
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And that's what you
do in your Seminars.
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That's right, so,
the opening dialogue
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is actually of friendship
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in which you gain
their confidence as a friend,
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and then you ask whether they
would like to be an inquirer
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so actually my
first question to you
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when you were sitting
beside me in the plane
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would have been, "Do
you really want to know?"
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In other words, we are
bringing them to a point
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where we are
going to actually search
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to really look for
the truth of the matter
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not defend one
side or the other,
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just look for the
truth of the matter,
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so when you open that
dialogue, we are in a position
00:21:52.64\00:21:56.41
to lay the next foundation
which we said, as an inquirer,
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we will use only
certain parameters,
00:22:00.08\00:22:03.35
and then use those
parameters just the way
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I have just described it
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it's actually very
simple and there are many things
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that God has placed there that
we can use one after another
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so that we can... intellectually
make a reasonable,
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compelling case, for
the existence of God.
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Yes, that's excellent,
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when did you know that
this is what you wanted to do,
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because you were a physician,
00:22:28.68\00:22:30.01
when did you know that you
wanted to have this ministry?
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It came gradually,
00:22:35.48\00:22:37.22
earlier in my life
there were questions,
00:22:37.25\00:22:41.12
and it only came after I
finished my medical studies
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that I decided to
ask those questions
00:22:45.73\00:22:48.60
and not leave them as questions
00:22:48.66\00:22:50.00
but delve into them
and see what would happen,
00:22:50.03\00:22:54.40
so it gradually came on
as quite a compelling push
00:22:54.44\00:22:58.81
would you like to know?
00:22:58.84\00:23:00.98
And I really wanted to know,
in fact, I badly wanted to know
00:23:01.01\00:23:04.65
and so it went on... it
was not a point in time,
00:23:04.68\00:23:07.45
it gradually grew on to me
00:23:07.48\00:23:09.35
and the search
actually took me decades
00:23:09.38\00:23:12.79
because I had to ask
00:23:12.85\00:23:15.22
and many times you
don't have an answer
00:23:15.26\00:23:17.73
and even more importantly,
many times you recognize
00:23:17.79\00:23:23.43
that your question was
not the right question,
00:23:23.47\00:23:27.17
so you've got to look
for the right question now
00:23:27.20\00:23:30.87
because if you ask
the wrong question,
00:23:30.91\00:23:32.81
you hit against the wall,
00:23:32.84\00:23:34.18
it's not going to
lead you anywhere.
00:23:34.21\00:23:35.58
so just being
inquisitive was not my goal,
00:23:35.61\00:23:39.41
it was to ask a question,
to go beyond the hurdle
00:23:39.45\00:23:42.45
so I had to look for
the right questions first
00:23:42.48\00:23:45.45
and then look
for the right answer.
00:23:45.49\00:23:48.12
It was a tremendous,
00:23:48.19\00:23:49.52
very captivating
process that I went through.
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Yes, yes, tell us about
00:23:53.29\00:23:55.20
some of the people
that you've worked with
00:23:55.23\00:23:57.87
with this method
00:23:57.93\00:23:59.27
that came to you...
with hearts of Atheists
00:23:59.30\00:24:02.87
and the Lord worked on them.
00:24:02.90\00:24:04.24
Let me give you an example
of... it was real life...
00:24:04.27\00:24:07.08
when I was in Australia,
00:24:07.11\00:24:08.64
they had just finished
the World Atheistic Conference
00:24:08.68\00:24:13.05
the Keynote Speaker
was a well-known Atheist,
00:24:13.08\00:24:17.92
a vocal Atheist
and a powerful Atheist
00:24:17.95\00:24:20.79
and a... kind of a
person who could sway you
00:24:20.82\00:24:23.63
and it was attended by thousands
of... especially young people.
00:24:23.66\00:24:29.33
So when they came
out of the Convention,
00:24:29.36\00:24:32.77
whoa, they were all
gung-ho about Atheism...
00:24:32.80\00:24:36.84
"Man! that's the way to
live, I mean, it's so reasonable
00:24:36.87\00:24:40.48
and it is so
sub-standard to think of God
00:24:40.51\00:24:44.15
as being in existence,"
00:24:44.18\00:24:45.88
when I landed there,
00:24:45.91\00:24:47.55
there were some small
flyers that they sent out,
00:24:47.58\00:24:50.39
and some of these university
students did get those flyers,
00:24:50.42\00:24:54.06
and they looked at it and they
said, "Okay, let's go to that
00:24:54.09\00:24:57.69
and we will just
wipe him off the table"
00:24:57.73\00:24:59.83
In fact they were
going to shut you down?
00:24:59.86\00:25:01.90
That's right, so they
came with their books,
00:25:01.93\00:25:03.93
they came with their pamphlets
and with their arguments
00:25:03.97\00:25:08.30
and they sat
down in the front row,
00:25:08.37\00:25:09.94
and when I began, the
first thing I said was,
00:25:09.97\00:25:14.11
"Let's look at both the options,
Atheism as well as Theism"
00:25:14.18\00:25:21.32
and their jaws
just dropped open,
00:25:21.35\00:25:24.15
they did not expect a
believer to look at both.
00:25:24.19\00:25:28.96
Hmmm...
00:25:29.02\00:25:30.36
They wanted me to
bang the other side down
00:25:30.39\00:25:32.19
and they were ready
with their arguments
00:25:32.26\00:25:34.20
so when I said,
"Let's look at both"
00:25:34.23\00:25:36.10
I actually disarmed
them. Yvonne: Yes, yes.
00:25:36.13\00:25:38.63
And so they said,
"Okay, let's listen to him"
00:25:38.67\00:25:41.14
and when I
finished that evening,
00:25:41.17\00:25:43.64
they slowly put away their books
00:25:43.67\00:25:46.07
and they listened
even with more intent.
00:25:46.11\00:25:48.54
At the end of that
short Seminar that I presented
00:25:48.58\00:25:52.58
they came up to the
Organizers and said,
00:25:52.61\00:25:55.68
"Do you have Bible
Studies on Wednesdays?"
00:25:55.72\00:25:58.72
Really! and they wanted to
come to your Bible Studies...
00:25:58.75\00:26:04.23
Subodh: They did.
00:26:04.26\00:26:05.59
That's incredible,
see, God will use you
00:26:05.63\00:26:10.60
to plant those seeds,
00:26:10.67\00:26:12.13
and then the Holy Spirit
will water them and harvest them
00:26:12.17\00:26:17.07
wow! so where do you
see... we have about 30 seconds,
00:26:17.11\00:26:21.98
where do you see God taking you
00:26:22.01\00:26:24.15
and we're going to put
your website up on the screen
00:26:24.18\00:26:26.45
so people can contact you,
you will do Seminars, correct,
00:26:26.51\00:26:29.48
and show people how to
talk to people who are Atheists?
00:26:29.55\00:26:32.99
My goal, really is to
get more people to understand
00:26:33.02\00:26:36.46
that we do have this information
00:26:36.49\00:26:39.23
and anyone who
gets this information,
00:26:39.26\00:26:42.23
can stand tall, with
his shoulders squared
00:26:42.26\00:26:45.07
with his head held high,
you can face any criticism
00:26:45.10\00:26:49.27
that the world throws at you
00:26:49.30\00:26:50.87
because God has
placed that with us
00:26:50.91\00:26:53.38
the evidences... that will
show that He is the true God.
00:26:53.41\00:26:57.45
He is the true God,
there is no God but God
00:26:57.48\00:27:02.02
and so we can just
claim that and worship Him.
00:27:02.05\00:27:06.55
Thank you so much
for being with us,
00:27:06.59\00:27:08.82
thank you for sharing with
us, in the way that you did,
00:27:08.86\00:27:13.09
may God bless you
with your ministry.
00:27:13.13\00:27:14.56
Thank you.
00:27:14.60\00:27:15.93
Website: searchseminars. org
00:27:15.96\00:27:17.67
Wow! that was
some great information,
00:27:17.70\00:27:21.07
I know, for me,
I've been approached
00:27:21.10\00:27:24.01
or I have approached people
00:27:24.04\00:27:25.77
who have not believed in God,
00:27:25.81\00:27:27.48
and I didn't
even know what to say
00:27:27.51\00:27:29.11
because if you
can't use the Bible,
00:27:29.14\00:27:30.71
you don't really know
how to start with them
00:27:30.75\00:27:33.95
so, this was
really great information
00:27:33.98\00:27:35.85
we really appreciate Dr. Pandit
00:27:35.88\00:27:38.25
and his efforts on our behalf,
00:27:38.29\00:27:40.42
and we really
appreciate you, the Viewer,
00:27:40.46\00:27:43.26
thank you so
much for your prayers
00:27:43.29\00:27:44.93
and your financial
support of this ministry,
00:27:44.99\00:27:47.63
we really need you and
appreciate all that you do.
00:27:47.66\00:27:50.73
Well, we've reached
the end of another Program,
00:27:50.77\00:27:53.80
thanks for joining us,
00:27:53.84\00:27:55.17
join us next time,
because you know what?
00:27:55.20\00:27:57.07
It just wouldn't be
the same without you.
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