Stay tuned to meet a man
who is letting his light shine
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for his people
and his Government.
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My name is Yvonne Lewis
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and you're
watching Urban Report.
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Hello and
welcome to Urban Report
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my guest today is
the Honorable Ben Micah
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Minister for State Enterprises
and Public Investments
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in Papua New Guinea.
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I met him at the 60th
Annual General Conference
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in San Antonio, Texas,
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let's take a
listen to his story.
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It is my
privilege to be sitting here
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with the Honorable Ben Micah,
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he is the Minister
for Public Enterprise
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and State
Investments for Papua New Guinea
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did I get that right? Yeah...
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Thank you so much.
Thank you, thank you.
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May I call you Brother Ben?
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May I just call you Brother Ben?
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Yes, yes... yes... yes...
yes... Okay, great, great...
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Brother Ben, you have
such an intriguing story
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I just have heard
just a little bit of it
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but I know that our
Urban Report Viewers
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want to know...
they're very curious people
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and they love these testimonies
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of people that
have had strong journeys
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I just want to hear
about your testimony
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we want to hear your testimony.
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So, where were you born?
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Definitely I was
not born in Chicago,
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or New York, I was
not born in the city
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yeah, I was born in a
small town called Kavieng.
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Where is that?
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In the Province of New
Island in Papua New Guinea.
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So you are a
native from New Guinea.
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Yes, I am an
indigenous Papua New Guinean
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from a village
called Tasitel in an island
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much, much closer to
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the territory of
Guam... US Territory
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than to the capital of
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Papua New Guinea, Port Moresby,
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my island is further
north of Port Moresby.
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I was born on the
22nd of December, 1959,
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to a God-fearing
Seventh-day Adventist mother
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called, Moni, and
my father was Micah,
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Moni and Micah, and
they were missionaries
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for the
Seventh-day Adventist Church.
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So, Adventism has been
in New Guinea for many years
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the message has
been brought there
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many, many years ago?
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For more than a 100 years, yes.
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Are there many
Adventists in New Guinea?
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Papua New Guinea has got
more Seventh-day Adventists
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than any other Country
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within the South
Pacific Division.
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Really?
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Of the
Seventh-day Adventist Church
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roughly about
300,000 to 400,000 members
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Praise the Lord.
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and another 200,000 backsliders.
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Wow! praise the Lord that
the message has gotten there
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and that there are a
lot of Adventists there
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that's a blessing. Yes.
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Tell us about yourself,
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you grew up in
a God-fearing home
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I was an Adventist
in my mother's womb.
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okay, all right,
all right, and so,
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did you go to Adventist Schools?
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Of course, I
started from Kindergarten
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and Primary and Sabbath
School and I went from Grade one
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in Seventh-day
Adventist Primary Schools
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to High School and to College
at Fulton College in Fiji.
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Wow! and so you went from
Adventist Elementary Schools
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to High School
to College... Yes.
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did you ever go to
a Secular Institution?
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Did you go to a
State School or...
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Yes... I taught for one year
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because I went to
train as a teacher
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at Fulton College,
and then after that
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I decided to change career,
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so I went to the
University of Technology,
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a State University
in Papua New Guinea
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and took up a
degree in Accountancy
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but unfortunately or fortunately
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whichever way...
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I look at the
way I have traveled
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unfortunately, because I never
really practiced accounting,
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because while I was
still at the University,
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I became involved
in Student Politics
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and I became General Secretary
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of the National
Union of Students in 1985,
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in 1986, I became President of
the National Union of Students
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which is a National
Student Organization
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for the whole Country,
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and then in 1987, I
became a member of the
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International Union
of Students Executive
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representing
Asia and the Pacific.
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So that was the beginning
of your political journey
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in College. Yes.
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Yes, so, I've been in
politics now for most of my life
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without a Political degree.
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Wow! wow...
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I went to University to
study to be an Accountant,
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I did not work as an
Accountant only for two years
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the rest of my life
has been in politics.
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Isn't that amazing,
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so, what did you
find was the difference
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between Adventist
Schools and the State School,
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did you find that
there was a big difference
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in the education, in
the educational experience
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between the two?
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I learned a lot from the
Adventist Education System
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for which I give credit
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because I started Boarding
in an Adventist Primary School
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when I was ten years
old, can you believe?
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You started doing what?
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When I was ten years
old, I went into Boarding
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in an Adventist Primary
School away from my village.
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Boarding?
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Boarding School,
where we live in the School,
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Oh, Boarding School, yes, yes...
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so I learned a lot of things
how to take care of my clothes,
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At ten, you were
in Boarding School?
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correct... yes... Wow!
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and all the way up to
College, and I think, you know,
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we had Work
Parades at the school
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where we worked, when
I went to High School,
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for four years, at
Kambubu High School
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we had a farm and so, for
the four years I was there,
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I worked on the farm,
I worked in the poultry,
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I worked as a janitor, I
also worked in the gardens
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cleaning up flowers and
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doing beautification
and things like that,
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and then when I went
on to College in Fulton,
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I also worked on the farm,
I learned how to milk cows,
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I learned how to ride a horse,
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and I worked in
the Fruit Department,
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on pineapples and oranges
and so I learned a lot of things
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hands on... once I was
learning things economically
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in the classroom. Yes.
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So I credit the
Seventh-day Adventist System
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because I think
that education system
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still continues in
a lot of our schools,
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Yes. and it teaches holistic
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approach to
training to a lot of kids
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much more than State Schools,
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where the
Government pays for everything
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and they only sit
in a classroom to learn
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so, I...
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I must credit the
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Adventist Education
System for, let's say,
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preparing me for
a lot of the things
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in my leadership to this day.
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Yes, while we were
talking, I was thinking
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about what you were saying
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because one of the things
that we know about education,
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is it's not just about academics
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it's about developing character,
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it's about
developing a work ethic
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and so what was
happening with you was
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in addition to the academics,
you were learning a work ethic
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you were working in
the garden with the cows
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and, I mean, as a janitor and
all of these different things
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developing character. Yes.
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One of the things that...
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there's an author
that I interviewed once,
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and he wrote a book
about how children succeed,
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and the most successful children
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are the children who have
developed their characters
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in addition to the academics
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and that is what it
seems that happened to you.
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You developed
character and your academics.
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Yes, you know, the
Minister for Finance
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of Papua New Guinea,
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the man responsible for looking
out for the money of our Country
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also went to Adventist School,
he's from a missionary family
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The Honorable James Marape,
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I believe he will
be here next weekend,
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he will be interviewed also,
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the Minister for Communication,
The Honorable Jim Miringtoro,
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we went to the same High School,
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he's a Minister
for Communication
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of the Government
of Papua New Guinea,
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we have the
Minister for Environment,
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the Minister for Lands,
the Minister for Education,
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all Seventh-day Adventists.
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They're all Adventists,
They're all Adventists...
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and they all went
through the same System
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the Director for
Customs, Mr. Kowuropa
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who is also here at the session,
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the Deputy Chief
Justice whom you met
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is Seventh-day Adventist,
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the Director of the
Internal Revenue Commission
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Ms. Betty Palaso
also went through the
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Seventh-day
Adventist School System
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so there you are,
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the Country of Papua New Guinea
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is benefitting a lot
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from people
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who have gone through the
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Seventh-day
Adventist Education System...
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Yes, yes, amen, amen, so,
you went through this System
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you were an Adventist,
you went to the State School,
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what happened
when you went there
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in terms of spirituality?
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The State University
was completely different.
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How so?
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There's really no control,
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here, I was coming
from a managed, controlled,
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coordinated environment
from education school
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and then I was just
like... thrown into the deep end
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where so many
things were thrown at me
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especially, I learned
to associate with people
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my roommate smoked,
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he drank alcohol,
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my roommate at Fulton
College was just like me
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we got up in the
morning and had devotion
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and it's a
different environment.
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Fulton College was
an Adventist School?
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Yeah, but in the State
University it's different,
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they put you in a room with
somebody completely different.
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Right...
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You see, then, you've got
access to everything there
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so, you just now...
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have to swim,
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spiritually
you've got to survive
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in the kind of environment
with so many new things
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being thrown into your face,
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and so, we begin to
also learn about new things
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and associate with professors
who are telling us new ideas
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you know,
political, philosophical,
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and all kinds of new concepts
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are beginning to
come into my head
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and then also the power,
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of standing in
front of a microphone
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and speaking so that
students can go on strike
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or they can go on a protest,
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and then you see the impact
of the power of your speech
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influencing people,
telling them to do things,
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you know, face
the police and then...
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and so power gets
a bit into your head
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and then my time
is now divided between
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the things that I
learned from my parents,
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from the Adventist
School, I hardly prayed anymore,
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I hardly studied the Bible,
I was now more into politics
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I was more into
discussions on...
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and then I started
traveling around the world
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when I became involved with
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the International
Union of Students,
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I traveled to...
mostly to Eastern Europe,
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the International Union
of Students during the '80s
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was mostly
financed by the Soviet Union
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and so, I mostly
did my travels to Russia
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and the Headquarters of
the Organization was in Prague,
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22nd November
Street, I can't forget,
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in the former Czechoslovakia
which is now the Czech Republic
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so I spent a lot of time there
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and then I began to be
introduced to the ideas
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of thinkers and writers like
Karl Marx and Engels and Lenin
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and you know what they
call the Dialectic Materialism
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and they then told me that,
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"You're wasting your
time on this religion,
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God is just an
old man in the sky
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how can you
believe in such a God
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that allows so much
suffering to happen in the world
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so many unemployed
people, the hungry people... "
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and so they took me to
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some of the big
places in the world.
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I went to Mumbai,
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I went to places like Jakarta,
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I went to some of the
big cities in Asia, Manila,
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and to go deeper
into those kinds of places
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where you see human beings
living below the poverty line
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and then you see ten
people sleeping in a little room
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that in
America... a baby sleeps in
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Yes, yes, and...
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and I began to see,
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"Oh, you know, this
could be the reality of life"
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you know...
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Isn't it interesting that during
the first part of your life
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right, you were settled
into the missionary mindset
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a Biblical mindset,
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but when you went
into the Secular Schools,
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you lost the connection
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and by losing the connection,
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you were able to
drift into something else
00:15:18.38\00:15:21.22
because you
weren't reading your Bible,
00:15:21.25\00:15:24.02
anymore, Yes.
00:15:24.05\00:15:25.39
you weren't
praying... praying anymore...
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so you lost your
connection to God...
00:15:27.59\00:15:30.43
But I was reading
the Communist Manifesto
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yes, Karl Marx, you
were reading Karl Marx,
00:15:33.36\00:15:36.13
you were reading all these other
Lenin and Stalin and whatever...
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you were reading all of this
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and not reading the Bible.
00:15:41.37\00:15:43.00
In 1987, I went to
Cuba and I met Fidel Castro.
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How was that?
00:15:45.97\00:15:47.98
What was that like?
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Well, you know, see... I
idolized Fidel in my mind
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and as a student, I was
wearing Fidel Castro wear
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and all these
things at the University,
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it was a mark of
respect in the Student Movement
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in the '80s... if
Fidel was your hero.
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You shake his hand...
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I didn't wash my
hand for one week.
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Wow!
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Isn't that amazing
how... when you're... again...
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when you're in the world,
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the people of the
world become your heroes.
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I met Mikhail Gorbachev in 1985
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in Moscow when I attended a huge
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International Student Festival
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and I also met
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the late Kim Il Sung of
North Korea when I went there
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I went to places that no people
from the free world used to go,
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Vienna and Kiev.
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And they welcomed you there.
And they welcomed me there.
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So now how
did... wait, wait, wait
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like... I can't
believe how time is...
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It's almost scary,
because all these Heads...
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these are people in
the Student Movement
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these are people we
idolized, they were gods to us,
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and I was
touching them in the flesh,
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and there you
are... Isn't it amazing...
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Yes, so, how did you
come back to the Lord?
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We were having this function
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I was just telling you
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and I was at the
Travel Lodge at that time
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now it's the Crowne
Plaza Hotel in Papua New Guinea
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it used to be the premier hotel
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we organized a fundraiser,
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to raise funds for somebody
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and I was sort of... in
charge of this Fundraiser
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and I invited the
Prime Minister of the Country
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some leading business people,
and diplomats and there we were
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and in that cocktail sort
of a standup cocktail party
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Like a Cocktail party...
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I was holding a
glass of whiskey with coke
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and I was drinking the thing
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and then talking
to the Prime Minister,
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Sir Mekere Marauta at that
time with some other people
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and a
Filipino-looking guy walks up
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and excused me
from the Prime Minister
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and we walk over to
the side and he said,
00:18:06.68\00:18:09.25
"Hey, you don't know
me but I know about you
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you are the most
influential person
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to that guy there... "
00:18:14.56\00:18:15.99
he was saying... that
guy... to the Prime Minister,
00:18:16.02\00:18:17.86
"listen, the Lord
has a work for you
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I know that you're a
Seventh-day Adventist"
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Wow!
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"I know that you're
a Seventh-day Adventist
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and God has a work for you"
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It was on a Sunday
afternoon and then he says,
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on Monday evening,
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I am inviting you for dinner
to my house at the Embassy"
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"Oh, you are the
Philippines Ambassador,
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Excellency, okay,
okay, I'll be there"
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and when I went to see him,
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amongst other
things we discussed
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he was telling me,
"You know, Brother Ben,
00:18:49.89\00:18:51.76
we have been having
problems now for two years
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trying to get a
license so we can introduce
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a Christian Broadcasting
Television Network... "
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and so, that was it,
that was my introduction
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to 3ABN, to
Ambassador Tejano who has
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become a lifelong
friend and brother to me,
00:19:08.11\00:19:11.08
and he's been my
mentor in my spiritual life
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and also to 3ABN
that I continue to support
00:19:15.05\00:19:18.89
with all my heart
and with all my soul
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and with all my
strength, Amen...
00:19:21.69\00:19:23.02
in Papua New Guinea Amen.
00:19:23.06\00:19:24.39
and my road to
come back to the Lord.
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It's was just an
accident, unplanned, unprepared,
00:19:28.23\00:19:34.00
but you know what?
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When God decides
to give you a work,
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Come on now
Brother... you have no...
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That's right...
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you can't stop
it, He will get you
00:19:41.74\00:19:44.75
and you have no
excuse to run away.
00:19:44.78\00:19:47.72
That's right, well you
know, it's funny because
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I always say on this Program
00:19:50.35\00:19:53.12
that we talk
about Jeremiah 29:11,
00:19:53.15\00:19:56.66
God has a plan for every life,
00:19:56.69\00:19:59.79
every life has a very
important work to do for God
00:19:59.83\00:20:03.97
and so, you didn't realize
it but all of your experiences
00:20:04.00\00:20:09.34
were getting you ready
to do what you're doing now,
00:20:09.37\00:20:12.74
Yes. God was getting you ready
00:20:12.77\00:20:14.71
and you didn't even realize it,
00:20:14.74\00:20:16.58
you thought you
had put God aside,
00:20:16.64\00:20:18.68
you had thrown Him
aside but He never threw you.
00:20:18.71\00:20:23.52
So, this is the
first invitation by God
00:20:23.55\00:20:29.36
through Ambassador Tejano
and then later... Danny Shelton
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Yes... yes...
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and Moses Primo and
all these lovely people
00:20:35.50\00:20:37.03
that have become
my lifelong friends
00:20:37.07\00:20:39.87
Amen... and then,
that was not the end,
00:20:39.90\00:20:42.54
I helped them...
in one of the ways...
00:20:42.57\00:20:45.14
in my position to
get the license for 3ABN
00:20:45.17\00:20:48.61
next, another invitation...
00:20:48.64\00:20:50.15
So, wait, wait, wait,
now, you just went past it,
00:20:50.18\00:20:54.08
so you helped to get the
license for 3ABN for New Guinea?
00:20:54.12\00:20:58.39
Yes. Praise
God... and that's... wow!
00:20:58.42\00:21:01.62
you see how
God... God is so good
00:21:01.66\00:21:04.76
He used you to get the word
out to the millions of people
00:21:04.79\00:21:09.33
there in New Guinea.
00:21:09.36\00:21:10.70
It was very difficult, Really?
00:21:10.73\00:21:13.10
it was very
difficult to get a license
00:21:13.13\00:21:14.50
Why? because, at
that time, you know,
00:21:14.54\00:21:16.81
there was only one
channel in Papua New Guinea
00:21:16.84\00:21:22.21
a telecommunication
regimentary... what you call...
00:21:22.24\00:21:27.25
spectrum... this is
the pipe that transmits
00:21:27.28\00:21:33.82
the signals...
right? Yes... yes...
00:21:33.86\00:21:35.76
it's the
terminology for licenses.
00:21:35.79\00:21:37.23
Spectrum, it's the
space that they allow
00:21:37.26\00:21:40.90
for broadcasting channels. Okay.
00:21:40.93\00:21:42.73
Only three... one is
reserved for the Government,
00:21:42.76\00:21:45.93
one is private,
which a private company
00:21:45.97\00:21:49.30
called MTV
already... was issued,
00:21:49.34\00:21:51.81
there was only one for
churches that was left and
00:21:51.84\00:21:54.48
ten... twenty different
churches had been vying for it
00:21:54.51\00:21:58.81
Wow! and the
former Prime Minster,
00:21:58.85\00:22:01.28
Bill Skate, had already
committed it to Benny Hinn
00:22:01.32\00:22:05.02
Benny Hinn, you know,
the Evangelist who visited
00:22:05.05\00:22:08.72
Papua New
Guinea... Yeah... yeah...
00:22:08.76\00:22:10.09
he had committed it to him,
00:22:10.13\00:22:11.46
but... so... it
was very difficult.
00:22:11.49\00:22:14.03
Only when the
Government changed,
00:22:14.06\00:22:17.07
and Sir Mekere Marauta
became the Prime Minister,
00:22:17.10\00:22:21.64
he appointed me
as his Chief of Staff
00:22:21.67\00:22:24.21
Oh... you see...
00:22:24.24\00:22:26.61
see, now I feel
like you're "Joseph"
00:22:26.64\00:22:28.68
I feel like you are a
"Joseph," in the Government,
00:22:28.71\00:22:32.71
Praise the
Lord. Praise the Lord.
00:22:32.75\00:22:34.52
Except now
you're a "number one. "
00:22:34.55\00:22:36.05
Yes, I became a Civil Staff,
00:22:36.08\00:22:37.72
and later he appointed me
to become Executive Chairman
00:22:37.75\00:22:41.52
of the Privatization Commission
00:22:41.56\00:22:43.43
the Commission that
the Prime Minister set up,
00:22:43.46\00:22:46.09
to privatize State investments,
so all the State Companies
00:22:46.13\00:22:49.63
that I am now Minister
for I actually privatized them
00:22:49.66\00:22:53.54
and Corporatized
them ten years ago
00:22:53.60\00:22:55.60
so I've just come back to
take them to a higher level
00:22:55.64\00:22:58.37
but when I was in the position
all these things happened
00:22:58.41\00:23:04.05
and it's a long story
but 3ABN got the license
00:23:04.08\00:23:07.22
That's tremendous...
00:23:07.25\00:23:08.92
and has been broadcasting
for how many years now
00:23:08.95\00:23:11.52
impacting the
lives of many people
00:23:11.55\00:23:13.89
Amen. creating positive change
00:23:13.92\00:23:16.36
Amen. in the spiritual message,
00:23:16.39\00:23:19.43
in the health
message, the exercise programs,
00:23:19.46\00:23:23.10
kids' programs, your program
00:23:23.13\00:23:24.80
Praise God...
00:23:24.83\00:23:26.17
amazing how so
many people are touched
00:23:26.20\00:23:28.84
and so many people are
00:23:28.90\00:23:30.57
now being encouraged
to live positive lives
00:23:30.61\00:23:32.71
because of these Programs Amen.
00:23:32.74\00:23:34.11
and I played a small part.
00:23:34.14\00:23:35.81
Well, I think
you're being modest though
00:23:35.84\00:23:38.35
we praise the
Lord for you Thank you.
00:23:38.38\00:23:40.82
and for people like
you who have the vision
00:23:40.88\00:23:44.65
to do something great for God
00:23:44.72\00:23:47.82
because God is great.
00:23:47.86\00:23:49.42
Where do you see...
00:23:49.46\00:23:50.99
we only have about
a minute or so left,
00:23:51.03\00:23:54.10
where do you see God
taking your ministry...
00:23:54.13\00:23:57.30
you're doing so many
different ministries,
00:23:57.33\00:24:00.47
tell us about some of the
other ministries you're doing.
00:24:00.50\00:24:02.57
These days...
that's why I was...
00:24:02.60\00:24:04.54
because that is
the climate zone Yes.
00:24:04.57\00:24:06.47
this transformation
00:24:06.51\00:24:07.88
where they invited me again
to attend a prayer breakfast
00:24:07.91\00:24:12.08
by an Evangelist
called, Pastor Mark Finley.
00:24:12.11\00:24:16.08
Yes. Now, I
hardly knew for 20 years
00:24:16.12\00:24:19.39
who was the President
of the General Conference,
00:24:19.45\00:24:21.89
who was this... who was that...
00:24:21.92\00:24:23.49
I was completely in the dark,
00:24:23.53\00:24:25.03
I knew more about Fidel
Castro and Mikhail Gorbachev
00:24:25.06\00:24:29.30
and all these
other people, right?
00:24:29.33\00:24:30.67
Hmmm... hmmm...
00:24:30.70\00:24:32.03
So, they invited me
to this Prayer Breakfast
00:24:32.07\00:24:35.27
and Mark Finley
opened to me the Word of God
00:24:35.30\00:24:38.87
especially the story of Daniel,
that story touched my life
00:24:38.94\00:24:42.61
I'm now living the kind
of life that Daniel lived.
00:24:42.64\00:24:47.35
I read Daniel's story,
especially of his diet, you see,
00:24:47.38\00:24:50.09
Yes... yes. the
diet, water and vegetables
00:24:50.12\00:24:52.72
okay, that's the
health message Yes... yes...
00:24:52.75\00:24:55.76
plus uncompromising
values and principles
00:24:55.79\00:24:58.53
Godly principles in Government,
00:24:58.56\00:25:00.66
that story about Daniel
from Pastor Mark Finley in 2000
00:25:00.70\00:25:05.87
transformed my life
and put me on the road
00:25:05.90\00:25:09.94
to where I am today and
that is the life that I live.
00:25:09.97\00:25:12.71
Praise God, we
praise God for you.
00:25:12.74\00:25:15.41
Thank you so much,
thank you for taking the time
00:25:15.44\00:25:18.25
to be on this Program
and to share your story.
00:25:18.28\00:25:21.02
So, I got re-baptized in 2002,
yes, I got re-baptized again.
00:25:21.05\00:25:24.69
Praise God, we are so thankful,
00:25:24.72\00:25:28.46
we're thankful for
you, your ministry,
00:25:28.49\00:25:30.39
your service to
the people of God
00:25:30.43\00:25:33.63
and for your time, coming here,
00:25:33.66\00:25:36.63
thank you so much, may
God continue to bless you.
00:25:36.67\00:25:40.00
Viewers, make sure
that you support...
00:25:40.04\00:25:43.81
if you hear about
Brother Ben Micah anywhere
00:25:43.84\00:25:47.74
doing any kind
of missionary work,
00:25:47.78\00:25:50.35
please support him.
00:25:50.38\00:25:51.91
God bless, thank you.
00:25:51.98\00:25:53.45
Oh! it's so great to see people
00:25:53.48\00:25:59.85
that are letting
their light shine
00:25:59.89\00:26:01.76
in the work place in
their personal lives,
00:26:01.79\00:26:04.59
we have to do that too.
00:26:04.63\00:26:06.56
You know, Matthew 5:16 says,
00:26:06.59\00:26:08.90
"Let your light
so shine before men,
00:26:08.93\00:26:10.90
that they may
see your good works
00:26:10.97\00:26:12.87
and glorify your
father which is in heaven. "
00:26:12.90\00:26:15.70
We can all let our light shine
and we all have to do that.
00:26:15.74\00:26:19.94
We want to thank you so
much for coming up to us
00:26:19.97\00:26:25.41
during the
General Conference Session
00:26:25.45\00:26:27.58
and letting us
know how Dare to Dream
00:26:27.62\00:26:29.72
is impacting your lives.
00:26:29.75\00:26:31.09
I heard great
stories about people
00:26:31.12\00:26:33.42
who are coming to
Jesus through Dare to Dream,
00:26:33.46\00:26:36.26
people who are going
to their local church,
00:26:36.29\00:26:39.06
and saying, "We
want to get baptized
00:26:39.09\00:26:41.06
because we're
watching Dare to Dream"
00:26:41.10\00:26:43.37
and those of you
who are supporting us
00:26:43.40\00:26:45.47
through prayer
and financial support,
00:26:45.53\00:26:47.57
we couldn't do it without you,
00:26:47.60\00:26:50.34
so you are an intrinsic
part of this whole thing.
00:26:50.37\00:26:53.61
Thank you so very
much for helping us
00:26:53.64\00:26:56.34
and for standing
in the gap with us
00:26:56.38\00:26:58.98
and for those of you
who haven't given yet,
00:26:59.01\00:27:01.32
please ask the Holy Spirit
how you can help Dare to Dream,
00:27:01.35\00:27:05.25
what He would have
you to do to assist us
00:27:05.32\00:27:08.02
to get the gospel
out to the whole world.
00:27:08.06\00:27:10.69
Our address here if you
want to send us a donation is
00:27:10.73\00:27:16.26
Dare to Dream, PO Box
220, West Frankfort, IL 62896
00:27:16.30\00:27:21.80
or you can call, 618-627-4651
00:27:21.84\00:27:28.28
that's 618-627-4651 or 3abn. org
00:27:28.34\00:27:34.72
or D2Dnetwork. TV
00:27:34.78\00:27:38.35
There are a whole
bunch of ways to reach us
00:27:38.39\00:27:42.02
but pick one and again,
pray about it and ask the Lord
00:27:42.06\00:27:46.39
how He would
have you to help us.
00:27:46.43\00:27:48.83
Thank you so much for tuning in
00:27:48.86\00:27:51.20
and we so
appreciate you, we love you,
00:27:51.23\00:27:54.14
and we ask that you
just continue to watch.
00:27:54.17\00:27:56.81
Join us next time
because you know what?
00:27:56.84\00:28:00.88
It just wouldn't be
the same without you.
00:28:00.91\00:28:04.88